Ray's Official DCU Megathread the 3rd: Countdown Edition - Now on Earth-OOMPH!

[Vonn Hennigar]

I'm sure DC is hoping for The Outsiders to improve significantly sales wise ala Marvel's recent Thunderbolts revamp. Which basically more than doubled it's numbers.

I don't think it'll do anywhere near that strong though. But if it can settle into a nice 40ish spot on the charts i'm sure they'd be happy.

I'll check out the first issue but that 5 part weekly shit next month really turned me off already.

[Fake Pat]

Has the artist been announced yet? I honestly can't remember.

I don't think so.

Based on the talent pool DC seems to be pulling from recently, I'm not very optimistic.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I'm going nowhere near the weekly 5-part special. Fuck that.

[Fake Pat]

I'm sure DC is hoping for The Outsiders to improve significantly sales wise ala Marvel's recent Thunderbolts revamp. Which basically more than doubled it's numbers.

I don't think it'll do anywhere near that strong though. But if it can settle into a nice 40ish spot on the charts i'm sure they'd be happy.

I'll check out the first issue but that 5 part weekly shit next month really turned me off already.

I'd be shocked to see them maintain those kinds of numbers for more than a couple of issues.

[YouStayClassy]

I don't think so.

Based on the talent pool DC seems to be pulling from recently, I'm not very optimistic.

Sad but true.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I don't think so.

Based on the talent pool DC seems to be pulling from recently, I'm not very optimistic.

Yeah. Those are my fears, as well.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I'm sure DC is hoping for The Outsiders to improve significantly sales wise ala Marvel's recent Thunderbolts revamp. Which basically more than doubled it's numbers.

I don't think it'll do anywhere near that strong though. But if it can settle into a nice 40ish spot on the charts i'm sure they'd be happy.

I'll check out the first issue but that 5 part weekly shit next month really turned me off already.

Speaking of that, I'm surprised Thunderbolts never sold bigger numbers. Huge increase, yes, but I thought it would be on the heels of 100k.


They're just making another Batman book here.

[Fake Pat]

Yeah, I'm going nowhere near the weekly 5-part special. Fuck that.

I'm gonna pick up the Middleton Metamorpho/Aquaman ish, but that's it.

Metamorpho and Middleton= MMM MMM gooooood.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm gonna pick up the Middleton Metamorpho/Aquaman ish, but that's it.

Metamorpho and Middleton= MMM MMM gooooood.

eh, I just don't have the energy to get excited about those specials. They scream unimportance.

[YouStayClassy]

eh, I just don't have the energy to get excited about those specials. They scream unimportance.

Same here. I'm getting this way more and more lately. I don't care how good the story or art are, if they don't have a point I just can't come aboard.

That Fantastic Four/Spider-Man mini is a terrific example of this. Personally, I blame Civil War for burning me out with all its pointless minis and one shots.

[Ray G.]

Yeah, I'm going nowhere near the weekly 5-part special. Fuck that.

I'm excited about the Nightwing/Boomerang one, just for the fact that it's the first solo DC work of Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir.

Now that McKeever's got the big stage and spotlight he so richly deserves, I can turn my pimping back to these two.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Same here. I'm getting this way more and more lately. I don't care how good the story or art are, if they don't have a point I just can't come aboard.

That Fantastic Four/Spider-Man mini is a terrific example of this. Personally, I blame Civil War for burning me out with all its pointless minis and one shots.

Yeah, I'm definitely feeling a bit burned out.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Same here. I'm getting this way more and more lately. I don't care how good the story or art are, if they don't have a point I just can't come aboard.

That Fantastic Four/Spider-Man mini is a terrific example of this. Personally, I blame Civil War for burning me out with all its pointless minis and one shots.

I'm almost the opposite. Most of my favorite stories with established characters don't involve a change in the status quo. Look at Paul Jenkin's Spider-Man, for example. I dislike constant change.

[Boris the Blade]

DC kind of seems to be throwing absolutely everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. And the flux of ancilliary tie-in books and such have destroyed my desire for most of these books. I even grabbed Countdown 48 and 47 out of sheer boredom because all I had were heavy GN's and was looking for something fun to read. Tsh. Nothing. The conflict in it is so dull that when it ties in to other DCU books I read, it kind of lessens my interest in them. Sigh. Right before Infinite Crisis I was picking up everything but Hawkman and one or two other titles from the main DCU.

[YouStayClassy]

I'm almost the opposite. Most of my favorite stories with established characters don't involve a change in the status quo. Look at Paul Jenkin's Spider-Man, for example. I dislike constant change.

But at least that was in a main book. It's not like they had him doing Peter Parker: Confidential or something like that. I'm REALLY not feeling third tier books these days.....

[Fake Pat]

eh, I just don't have the energy to get excited about those specials. They scream unimportance.

Eh, I'm so removed from the DCU at this point that the "importance" factor is basically irrelevant.

I just can't pass up Josh drawing Rex.

[John Drake]

Eh, I'm so removed from the DCU at this point that the "importance" factor is basically irrelevant.

I just can't pass up Josh drawing Rex.

Or Aquaman! I had no idea he was drawing that issue.

[Fake Pat]

Or Aquaman! I had no idea he was drawing that issue.

Although it is the new Aquaman, responsible for many a bunched panty.

[MAK15]

Im lookin forward to what the Trickster and Pied Piper are gunna do on the run.
aslo lookin forward to the Outsiders, the Justice League ish's with the injustice league, Gotham Undergroun, annnd...I think thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

but seriously, who thinks that the Trickster or Piper might have to commmit another murder before the end of Coudtdown?

[The Doctor]

Ooh! Wasn't expecting that at all! Seems early this month.

A new 8-part Batman: Countdown mini by Frank Tieri? :nonono2: He's good, but shouldn't DC be giving Gage and Andreyko more work first?

Who the hell is Sterling Gates? But Johns telling the Anti-Monitor's story looks pretty awesome.

Johns goes solo on Action as Gary Frank takes over art. This could be good, even if the first arc is about the Legion.

Alex Ross joins Johns! Kingdom Come begins in JSA! :ecstatic:

No Titans preview. :(
Kingdom come Superman? :mistrust:

And DC can't be thinking that these things are going to be burning up the sales charts. I mean, Frank Tieri is not exactly a powerhouse, and come on...the Extremists? Who was clamoring for these guys?

Maybe DC's plan is simply to flood the market with product and try to narrow the gap by sheer numbers.
Bingo.

We're all very sane people in this thread. We don't harsh on stuff just for the point of harshing. When something needs called out, it gets done here in a VERY civil manner. :)
We're polite but we're not sane.

I'm almost the opposite. Most of my favorite stories with established characters don't involve a change in the status quo. Look at Paul Jenkin's Spider-Man, for example. I dislike ALLLLLL!

Fixed;)

[Vonn Hennigar]

So i read Batman : Son Of The Demon last night, the prestige format one-shot from 1987.

First the artwork by Jerry Bingham is fucking INCREDIBLE! Seriously just beautiful stuff.

But the story is really really strange and doesn't jive with Grant Morrison's recent story at all :? First Bruce is head over heels in LOVE with Talia Al Ghul, hell they're actually considered married in this story. No bullshit love potions, he loves this broad and their child is conceived with his ahem full cooperation. (Sans his Cowl if you're wondering). He also seems real damn chummy with Ra's Al Ghul here as they team up to take down some James Bond type villain goof with an evil weather satellite. No really.

Talia ends up miscarrying the child in battle and basically tells Bruce to beat it which he does. The book ends with the future Damien being adopted by some nice couple after being left on the doorstep of an orphanage.

6/10 overall but with a full 4/4 for the artwork here. Anyone else read this? This was the re-release version that DC put out last year by the way with the Andy Kubert cover.

[The Doctor]

So i read Batman : Son Of The Demon last night, the prestige format one-shot from 1987.

First the artwork by Jerry Bingham is fucking INCREDIBLE! Seriously just beautiful stuff.

But the story is really really strange and doesn't jive with Grant Morrison's recent story at all :? First Bruce is head over heels in LOVE with Talia Al Ghul, hell they're actually considered married in this story. No bullshit love potions, he loves this broad and their child is conceived with his ahem full cooperation. (Sans his Cowl if you're wondering). He also seems real damn chummy with Ra's Al Ghul here as they team up to take down some James Bond type villain goof with an evil weather satellite. No really.

Talia ends up miscarrying the child in battle and basically tells Bruce to beat it which he does. The book ends with the future Damien being adopted by some nice couple after being left on the doorstep of an orphanage.

6/10 overall but with a full 4/4 for the artwork here. Anyone else read this? This was the re-release version that DC put out last year by the way with the Andy Kubert cover.

Got the re-release I enjoyed it.

[Foggy's Pal]

When does The Outsiders start? I thought it was October, but I didn't see it in the solicits.

[Ray G.]

When does The Outsiders start? I thought it was October, but I didn't see it in the solicits.

November, I assume. They're probably taking a month off to build a little suspense and maybe not spoil as much in the solicits.

[Foggy's Pal]

November, I assume. They're probably taking a month off to build a little suspense and maybe not spoil as much in the solicits.

I actually wish they would spoil less in the solicits. I know I don't have to read it, but I can't help myself.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

So i read Batman : Son Of The Demon last night, the prestige format one-shot from 1987.

First the artwork by Jerry Bingham is fucking INCREDIBLE! Seriously just beautiful stuff.

But the story is really really strange and doesn't jive with Grant Morrison's recent story at all :? First Bruce is head over heels in LOVE with Talia Al Ghul, hell they're actually considered married in this story. No bullshit love potions, he loves this broad and their child is conceived with his ahem full cooperation. (Sans his Cowl if you're wondering). He also seems real damn chummy with Ra's Al Ghul here as they team up to take down some James Bond type villain goof with an evil weather satellite. No really.

Talia ends up miscarrying the child in battle and basically tells Bruce to beat it which he does. The book ends with the future Damien being adopted by some nice couple after being left on the doorstep of an orphanage.

6/10 overall but with a full 4/4 for the artwork here. Anyone else read this? This was the re-release version that DC put out last year by the way with the Andy Kubert cover.

Yeah, I read this a couple years back. The artwork was fucking beautiful. You're right about the story not meshing with Morrison's current arc, but that shouldn't come as too much of a surprise. Barr played the story very straight in Son of the Demon. The interactions between Bats and Ra's were a tad unbelievable at times (and really reinforced the idea that this story was supposed to be out of continuity, I thought). I believed the stuff between Bats and Talia much more, however. The poor bastard really loved her.

I give it a 7.5/10.

I still have Bride of the Demon sitting on my bookshelf, yet to read. I need to get the third one (Death of the Demon, I think?).

[lonesomefool]

I actually wish they would spoil less in the solicits. I know I don't have to read it, but I can't help myself.

McKeever mentioned something similar in an article a couple weeks ago on Newsarama. I actually agree with him and you, especially since I never buy comics because so and so is gonna get killed in that issue, I always buy comics for the creative teams. I understand from a retailer stand point why they have to put so much info in the solicits though.

[lonesomefool]

Couple of comic reviews

Deadpool/GLI
I reviewed this in the review thread, but after re-reading it I actually have to drop this a grade. I gave it a 4/10 upon first reading, now I give it a 2/10. It just isnt funny, this was like watching a comedian die on stage, grasping at straws for humor. Not to mention the inconsistent artwork, Pelletier's artwork was nice, but Dwyer and Chiang's artwork was ugly.

Green Lantern #21
Continuing what is shaping up to be a great "event" comic/storyline. I have high hopes for this, I just hope Gibbons and Gleason can hold up their end, otherwise this could be a really inconsistent crossover, ala JLA/JSA. 8/10

JSA #7
That's more like it. It's really too bad the crossover was shoe horned in, if only because it really stopped the momentum this title had. Good to see it back on track. 9/10

Uncanny X-Men #488
Ok, not great, but ok. Really felt like a "stretch" issue with the main story not really moving along at all. Still a good issue with some nice character moments. 7/10

New Warriors #1
Gonna have to go and grab the next couple issues of this sometime. This was a really good read, suprisingly. Solid artwork and a solid script. This isnt a spectacular comic, but it's a good, solid, read. 7/10

Thor #1
Very nice artwork from Copiel and Morales. The script, well, it was good for what it was. Stuff happens in this issue, but it definately wasnt a "meaty" read. 6/10

[Foggy's Pal]

Still waiting on DCBS to do my reviews. I'm dying. It's been over two weeks since last new comics. Ughhh!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Still waiting on DCBS to do my reviews. I'm dying. It's been over two weeks since last new comics. Ughhh!

I'm waiting on my shipment, too. It better come tomorrow!

[Foggy's Pal]

I'm waiting on my shipment, too. It better come tomorrow!

I hope everyone feels our pain. It's tough to be on the board after Wednesday when you have no books. Better on the wallet though.

[Deej]

I'm waiting on my shipment, too. It better come tomorrow!

Mine came this past friday! :boogie:

[Matt O'Keefe]

Mine came this past friday! :boogie:

Same here:thumb:


I'm not cheap, I splurge the extra $4 for weekly shipping.

Kidding, I'm actually switching to bi-weekly because I've dropped so many singles.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Mine came this past friday! :boogie:


Same here:thumb:



:mad:

[Hock]

:mad:

:rofl:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:rofl:

:mad:

[Hock]

:mad:

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[The Doctor]

Poor Brandon.

*snickers*

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

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Poor Brandon.

*snickers*

:cry:

[The Doctor]

:cry:

Awwww here's a lolly

*gives him lolly*

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Awwww here's a lolly

*gives him lolly*

*takes lolly*

*pouts in corner*

[Ray G.]

I got my comics on Wednesday.

I pwn you all. :cool:

[Hock]

:cry:

HAHAHA! I've won.

[Hock]

I got my comics on Wednesday.

I pwn you all. :cool:

I got my comics on Wednesday too.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I got my comics on Wednesday.

I pwn you all. :cool:

...I got a few on Wednesday


HAHAHA! I've won.

:cry:

[Hock]

I've got it pre-ordered, too. :D

The movie was great. Just as good as the last one, I thought. It's been awhile since I read the fifth book, though, so I'm not sure what was left out of the movie. It seemed to me that just about everything was there. I loved it.

I hate watching movies based on books too closely after reading the books, because then I am comparing them way too much. I know movies are a different form of media, and shit has to change, but If I just read the book I can't help but be too critical.

[Ray G.]

I got my comics on Wednesday too.

Okay, I pwn everyone besides Hock.

And I half-pwn Jack. :)

Ah, the weekend Doldrums. 20 hours till solicits. :surrend:

[Foggy's Pal]

Mine came this past friday! :boogie:

You kill me. I live in state, 1 and a half hours from DCBS, and I won't get mine until tomorrow. They actually leave the state before coming.:sad:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I hate watching movies based on books too closely after reading the books, because then I am comparing them way too much. I know movies are a different form of media, and shit has to change, but If I just read the book I can't help but be too critical.

That's the reason I purposefully didn't re-read book 5 recently. I hate the fact that I overanalyze far too many movies, lately. I was able to sit back and enjoy HP.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

You kill me. I live in state, 1 and a half hours from DCBS, and I won't get mine until tomorrow. They actually leave the state before coming.:sad:

oh, wow, that's ridiculous.

[Ray G.]

I hate watching movies based on books too closely after reading the books, because then I am comparing them way too much. I know movies are a different form of media, and shit has to change, but If I just read the book I can't help but be too critical.

Agreed. I noticed a lot of small changes that I really didn't like.

I actually did really enjoy this movie, though. Although I still maintain the first two were the best. Yes, they were slavishly loyal and lacked any real inventiveness on the part of the screenwriter and director. For those two, that's exactly what was needed. Wouldn't work for four and on at all, though.

One thing I didn't actually like was in the final battle in the Ministry in this movie. In the original book, all of Harry's friends took hits for him against the death eaters. No one got out completely unscathed, and I think it drove home the stakes a little bit more(you know, besides Sirius falling into a magic death cloak). Here, the battle became Harry vs. Voldemort way too quickly, and the others didn't get to do too much. Also, no mention of Lucius Malfoy's arrest.

[The Doctor]

*takes lolly*

*pouts in corner*
:lol:

I got my comics on Wednesday.

I pwn you all. :cool:
I get mine on Thursday...:surrend:

That's the reason I purposefully didn't re-read book 5 recently. I hate the fact that I overanalyze far too many movies, lately. I was able to sit back and enjoy HP.

Same.

Although I remembered the book quite well but don't really give a toss about the differences.

[John Drake]

Okay, I pwn everyone besides Hock.

And I half-pwn Jack. :)

Ah, the weekend Doldrums. 20 hours till solicits. :surrend:

At least they got all the Countdown tie-ins out of the way in that preview.

I hope :scared:

[Ray G.]

At least they got all the Countdown tie-ins out of the way in that preview.

I hope :scared:

Countdown Presents: Scare Tactics

A 17-part miniseries by the blockbuster team of Chuck Austen and Whilce Portacio. How does the DC Universe's #1 Rock Band/Superhero team made completely out of Monsters fit into the Multiverse? And what happens when the Point Men show up? Is the Multiverse big enough for two teenage snake-boys?

[The Doctor]

At least they got all the Countdown tie-ins out of the way in that preview.

I hope :scared:

52 more.

[The Doctor]

Countdown Presents: Scare Tactics

A 17-part miniseries by the blockbuster team of Chuck Austen and Whilce Portacio. How does the DC Universe's #1 Rock Band/Superhero team made completely out of Monsters fit into the Multiverse? And what happens when the Point Men show up? Is the Multiverse big enough for two teenage snake-boys?

:lol:

[Hock]

DC Universe Reviews:

I'm really starting to dislike this series, and that upsets me. I'm panning a Sean McKeever comic. A Sean McKeever/Paul Dini comic, at that! Although, this isn't just written by them. Tony Bedard's in there too, so we're up to three writers now. But honestly, my problem isn't with any specific writer, and it's certainly not with the dialogue. The writers do the best they can, but unfortunately, that's not much. Every issue is more and more like a series of cliffs notes - brief segments that tease at future events without much happening. Too much happens in each issue, not much feeling like it's important, and the stories are way too broken up over each issue. The main plots this time go as follows: Mary Marvel, getting more and more pissed off by the issue, attacks the Riddler, only to find out that he's reformed and not the real culprit. Threatening him, she agrees to team up with him and winds up in a fight with Clayface. Riddler tells her to seek anger management. Riddler, at least, is written very well here, but Mary's new attitude is getting tiresome. She's not acting so much like Black Mary as she is like a teenage girl who just snuck out of the house. Batman has (another!) pointless confrontation with Karate Kid, Holly and Harley Quinn discuss the mission of the Athenian Women's Shelter, and Harley seems sane. Donna, Jason, and Bob the Monitor show up to recruit Ryan Choi, and Donna gets hit on by Ryan's wacky scientist friends. And Jimmy Olsen designs costumes for himself. The other major segment involves Trickster and Piper, who find themselves under arrest by a group of villains led by Deadshot and Multiplex for the murder of the Flash. I don't know why these villains want to arrest fellow villains, but they've chained them together via an electric tether. Trickster and Piper don't take kindly to this, and wind up escaping, still chained together.....out the side of an airplane. Just try combining all of this into one comic, and you get the feeling of how overstuffed it is. The art isn't great this issue, and this feels less and less like a complete narrative by the issue. At least there are no abortionbeasts. Sigh. :(

Let's just be honest here. Nothing was going to live up to the Sinestro Corps special. That was probably the single best comic of the entire year, and isn't likely to be dethroned anytime soon. But still, I expected a little more out of the following chapter, and this issue, while looking very good and having a lot of cool moments, seems to rehash things quite a bit. The GLs are counting their dead after the massacre, and old grudges between Hal and the Lost Lanterns flare up again. Jack T. Chance gets in an appearance, and unfortunately doesn't distinguish himself from the others. We gain a little more insight into the Guardians' secrets in the Book of Oa, and see some more of the Sinestro Corps in action. Unfortunately, the Anti-Monitor is MIA this issue, leaving us still to wonder what his involvement here is. The second half of the issue is stronger, as Hal falls prey to to a booby trap from Parallax in the battery, forcing him to relive his greatest fear - the childhood death of his father. It's rendered beautifully, and when Hal wakes up, he's face to face with the man behind it - Kyle Rayner, the new Parallax. It's a twisted rematch that should be a hell of a good time to watch. This may not have been a great issue, but it was a very good one, and this event is just heating up. Next, the story continues in GLC, as Soranik Natu faces Sinestro.

Okay. Now that's more like it. JSA is back, after being derailed for two months by The Lightning Saga. And in the IC/OYL era, Johns has become known for one thing in my mind: creating fully fleshed-out new legacy heroes from scratch and making us care. Blue Beetle in IC, Kid Devil and Miss Martian in TT, and Wildcat II, Cyclone, and now Citizen Steel in JSA. This is Nathan Heywood's story, and it's rare for a new hero to get such a strong start. He wakes up in the JSA medlab, after seeing his family killed, only to find out that he's bonded with Reichsmark's blood, turning his skin into living steel while giving him his leg back. He's burdened with all the people he lost while struggling with the fact that his strength is completely out of control. Even when he sees that a lot of his young relatives survived , he still realizes he can't even touch them. Over the course of the issue, he'll be tested with his first battle(also giving great moments to a few other members), and eventually come to terms with his new destiny. He's a great addition to the team. Also fantastic this issue is a scene between Superman and Starman, who continues to be the best character in this series. Next issue turns the focus on Damage, as this title continues to be utterly unstoppable in quality.

I can't believe this is how Buseik's epic ends. It can't be. There's got to be a part three coming. Because, despite the fact that the art and dialogue on this title are astonishing as usual, and Buseik's grasp on Superman and his supporting cast is flawless, the plotting in this issue is CRAP! Seriously, we ended last issue with Arion trying to take over Superman's mind and force him to destroy Metropolis. This issue....Superman simply fights him off, and spends the entire issue trying to convince everyone that he's not evil. He's attacked by the Prankster, trying to play hero, as well as the annoying Squad K, a useless band of government goons designed to take out Superman if he ever goes rogue. All the while, the issue stays tolerable because it's written so well, but you can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, and all the poignant monologues in the world can't save this plot. What happened to Subjekt 13? Sirocco? Khyber? Surely Camelot Falls was not about Squad K, the Prankster, and Arion running like a bitch. We now take a break for a Jimmy Olsen spotlight, and then continue the story of the Third Kryptonian. I trust Buseik has a plan. His run up till now has been too good to assume anything else.

This issue sadly doesn't show off most of what makes Shadowpact so good. It's still a very good comic, and there are quite a few excellent subplots, but it's somehow lacking, and the ending takes things in a very disturbing direction that I doubt will actually be followed up on. We open in Chicago, as Doctor Gotham holds a bus of kids hostage waiting for Shadowpact to show up. He's a great villain, but maybe too grim for this title. The main battle between him and Shadowpact is very well done and exciting, but at the end of the day, we've seen a lot of fights like it. The real strength of the series comes in smaller scenes, like Blue Devil's journey to Hell to try to get released from his contract, which is both poignant and funny at points. But things take a very disturbing tone when Dr. Gotham opens up a volcano in Chicago, seemingly turning the city into a mass grave, killing millions of civilians and maybe Shadowpact among them. Next issue brings in the JLA to deal with this massive crisis, and I have a hard time believing Willingham actually just wiped out a US city. Either way, this is sort of like having Speedball be accused of mass murder. It just doesn't fit in with the tone of the book and characters. Oh, wait.

Bonus Reviews:

With the creative team of Andy Diggle and Jock in charge here, you just knew this wasn't going to suck. And I'm happy to say this is one quality miniseries. This is an Oliver Queen we haven't seen before: a cocky, arrogant, and selfish thrillseeker, always in search of his next adventure, with quite the Robin Hood fixation. Quite simply put, he's a prick, and it works great for this story. The only person he seems to trust is his manservant/bodyguard Hackett, a tough guy from the Royal Marines, who has a risky and possibly illegal business proposal for him in between their adventures. But all isn't what it seems, and after a public meltdown, Ollie decides to accompany Hackett out of town to make the business deal to let the furor die down. Hackett isn't exactly thrilled about Ollie's last-minute decision to join him on the high seas, and it soon becomes clear why. Hackett is a traitor, stealing 14 million of Ollie's money to give to a mysterious criminal, and when Ollie fights back, his unconscious body is dumped in the sea to die. But this is Oliver Queen, and we know he's not going anywhere. In two weeks: The island. This mini is looking like it'll be well worth the read.

And this right here? This is why you don't give TV people with no comics experience the keys to a massive story like the origin of the Joker. This is, pure and simple, an unmitigated disaster. Those looking forward to jumping right into the Joker's origin will be disappointed, as we spend the first half hanging around with Batman rehashing dozens of scenes we've seen a million times before, right down to the boring love interest you know he'll run out on. And then there's the Joker, pre-Joker. And wow, how much can you miss the point? Alan Moore's brilliant "One Bad Day" approach is out the window, replaced with a grim career killer/robber for hire who just doesn't seem to enjoy his work anymore. That is, until he meets a blond Pre-med student in a bar(She's going to be a shrink!) who assures him that he just needs to find what makes him smile. So, yeah. Before he was Joker, Joker was apparently a sad assassin until Harley Quinn gave him a motivational speech. This'll end well, no doubt. Think I'm dropping this title. They're obviously not comitted to putting out quality stories.

Really, with Darwyn Cooke and Tim Sale, it's hard to go wrong. This is the Superman I grew up loving, down to the slightest detail. The farmboy humility, the longing desire to be human, the awkwardness coming not from nerdiness but from that slight feeling of being part of this world but not of it. It even has the Byrne Kents, those lovingly bickering old folks who everyone wishes they knew. It's classic Superman, and I loved it. The Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, and even the Lex Luthor in this book are all written perfectly. The main story is more than a little odd, relating to a mysterious creature living in suspended animation inside a giant chunk of Kryptonite, temporarily taking over the mind of Luthor's evil new Rival. It's wierd, and could go horribly wrong, but so far it works just like everything else in this title. Next issue, hopefully coming before too long, will have Superman and this creature come face to face. Unlike Batman, this series opened with a bang. Let's hope it can keep its momentum, because this will be a hard act to follow.

I liked this chapter of Kid Amazo a bit more than previous ones, because the protagonist finally shuts up with his whining and does something! After the douchey actions of the JLA last issue, causing his girlfriend to break up with him, Kid Amazo decides to take matters into his own hands, giving up on being a hero and instead becoming a thorn in the side of the League, releasing prisoners. He's not a flat out supervillain yet, but he's getting there, as he comes into conflict with one member of the League after another, eventually leading to a big showdown with the entire group. It probably won't have a good ending for him, but it should be entertaining to see, at least. Next issue is the conclusion, and only then will I be able to tell if this story was worth it.


Green Arrow: year one was fantastic. Ollie is such a prick. :D

JSA was amazing.

You're right about Superman, that was a horrible fucking plot.

The last three issues of Shadowpact have been shit, I'm dropping the book if next issue isn't back to good quality.

[Hock]

My lack of knowledge about such classic characters as Spoiler and Anarky is really lacking. It's a shame really.

Classic Characters?

:rofl:

[John Drake]

Countdown Presents: Scare Tactics

A 17-part miniseries by the blockbuster team of Chuck Austen and Whilce Portacio. How does the DC Universe's #1 Rock Band/Superhero team made completely out of Monsters fit into the Multiverse? And what happens when the Point Men show up? Is the Multiverse big enough for two teenage snake-boys?

Sad thing is I can totally see that happening.

[Foggy's Pal]

Green Arrow: year one was fantastic. Ollie is such a prick. :D

JSA was amazing.

You're right about Superman, that was a horrible fucking plot.

The last three issues of Shadowpact have been shit, I'm dropping the book if next issue isn't back to good quality.

I agree; Shadowpact has ceased to be fun. And, Where the hell has the chimp been? He is usually hilarious!

[Ray G.]

I agree; Shadowpact has ceased to be fun. And, Where the hell has the chimp been? He is usually hilarious!

I actually did love the previous issue, but seriously: No one buys Shadowpact to see grim-and-gritty magical combat. We buy it for talking Chimps and z-listers made cool with hilarity!

I think good Willingham is working overtime on Fables(Everyone here's reading it, right? Best book on the stands), and has let evil Willingham start picking up the slack. :scared:

[Hock]

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/3973_400x600.jpg

I love that image. :D

[Hock]

I agree; Shadowpact has ceased to be fun. And, Where the hell has the chimp been? He is usually hilarious!

I'm beggining to think that Shadowpact really shouldn't have been an ongoing. Maybe just a mini. Or a series of minis Hellboy style.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I actually did love the previous issue, but seriously: No one buys Shadowpact to see grim-and-gritty magical combat. We buy it for talking Chimps and z-listers made cool with hilarity!

I think good Willingham is working overtime on Fables(Everyone here's reading it, right? Best book on the stands), and has let evil Willingham start picking up the slack. :scared:

I'm trying to catch up on the trades. Getting volumes 2 & 3 this week, actually.


I love that image. :D

I always need to tease Ray in some form or another, so since he hasn't said any really pervy comments for me to quote maybe I should put that image in my sig............

[Hock]

She could be good. I'd rather have her be a bit younger. I think having Supergirl and Superman at the same age changes their relationship a bit too much.

Well, the actress playing Supergirl is what, 8 years younger then Tom Welling? So maybe the character will be younger too.

[Ray G.]

I'm trying to catch up on the trades. Getting volumes 2 & 3 this week, actually.


2 and 3 are very good, but the series basically explodes onto the a-list with volume four. Volumes 1-3 hint at the world Willingham created, March of the Wooden Soldiers officially catapults it into the all-time great fantasies. And it only gets better from there.

[Matt O'Keefe]

2 and 3 are very good, but the series basically explodes onto the a-list with volume four. Volumes 1-3 hint at the world Willingham created, March of the Wooden Soldiers officially catapults it into the all-time great fantasies. And it only gets better from there.

I know, I've heard that from a lot of people. I'm really looking forward to the higher volumes.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Couldn't stand any more of Batman: TAS Season 4 after that first disc so I moved over to the first season of the Justice League. MUCH BETTER. Just about to start Secret Origins Pt. III.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 25th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/66416220958.19.GIF
The FIRST DC comic i ever read actually. (At least as sure as i can be) my grandma picked up a bunch at a garage sale including a old Flash annual and a couple issues of Vigilante and Warlord but this one stands out in my then 9 year old head.

[Matt O'Keefe]

The 25th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/66416220958.19.GIF
The FIRST DC comic i ever read actually. (At least as sure as i can be) my grandma picked up a bunch at a garage sale including a old Flash annual and a couple issues of Vigilante and Warlord but this one stands out in my then 9 year old head.

You're Grandma got you a Mature Readers book?:mistrust:


:rock:

[Vonn Hennigar]

You're Grandma got you a Mature Readers book?:mistrust:


:rock:

You think she actually looked at the covers?

Hell i was just pissed at her selection. Who the fuck were these guys? I wanted my Marvel books dammit :mad:

[Hock]

Bedard, huh? That makes me wary.

Yeah, I'm not going to be buying the book. I've never been a very big Outsiders fan.

[Hock]

I really like the reasoning that Batman is also on this team. Hopefully he's more like Oracle...calling the shots behind the scenes...

Batman’s playing both sides of the fence. He’s still with the Justice League, recognizing that sometimes you need the “Dream Team” of super-heroes to handle the worst threats that come along. But Batman’s also a savvy observer of the human condition, and he senses a shift in the DCU zeitgeist. A number of recent events: Black Adam’s rampage in World War III, the murder of Bart Allen, the Amazon invasion of Washington DC, etc., have pushed public mistrust of meta-humans to an all-time high. Batman also knows that super-villains are mysteriously vanishing; he does the math and sees forces at work which the Justice League isn’t designed to combat. In fact, send the Justice League or any official “good guys” against certain organizations or governments, and you lose the public acceptance those teams rely on. So Batman needs a strike team that the public already thinks are bad so if they raid the U.N. or the Vice President’s office, people shrug and say, “There they go again.” And the Outsiders fit that bill perfectly.

This actually makes a lot of sense.

[Hock]

Great to hear that. It richly deserves it. I still find it completely inexplicable that Amazons Attack got the big summer event push over this, though. I mean, even I don't like Amazons Attack. :nonono2:?

And when Ray diesn't like something from DC, you know it's bad.

[Hock]

So I guess it's official..John Stewart is the new JLA Green Lantern.

:nonono2:

Yeah, that's just... bad. We'll miss out on the great dynamic between Hal, Dinah, and Roy.

[Hock]

Why?

Because in the eyes of DC, Countdown tie-in=$$$

[Hock]

WordBalloon has a McKeever interview up. :rock:

http://www.wordballoon.blogspot.com/

[Foggy's Pal]

I actually did love the previous issue, but seriously: No one buys Shadowpact to see grim-and-gritty magical combat. We buy it for talking Chimps and z-listers made cool with hilarity!

I think good Willingham is working overtime on Fables(Everyone here's reading it, right? Best book on the stands), and has let evil Willingham start picking up the slack. :scared:

I should get the last issue of Shadow today or tomorrow. Still waiting on DCBS. Hopefully, i can do a review or two by Wednesday.

[SteveZegers]

Classic Characters?

:rofl:

Well on Earth-Ray they are!

("Countdown Presents Earth-Ray", coming soon!)

[The Doctor]

Couldn't stand any more of Batman: TAS Season 4 after that first disc so I moved over to the first season of the Justice League. MUCH BETTER. Just about to start Secret Origins Pt. III.
:nonono2:

[Deej]

I got my comics on Wednesday.

I pwn you all. :cool:

I actually hooked up with my chick on Wednesday... So I really pwn you.

[Ray G.]

Well on Earth-Ray they are!

("Countdown Presents Earth-Ray", coming soon!)

I'd buy it.

[SteveZegers]

I'd buy it.

22 pages of Supergirl, Spoiler, Miss Martian, and Anarky trying on little outfits and braiding each other's hair.

[The Doctor]

22 pages of Supergirl, Spoiler, Miss Martian, and Anarky trying on little outfits and braiding each other's hair.

Page 1. Panel 1.

Someone drops the soap.

[Deej]

Page 1. Panel 1.

Someone drops the soap.

Which one shaves, which one has a landing strip, and who is just completely hairy???

I'm guessing Supergirl is totally shaven since she's a slut. And I was going to say Miss Martian is totally hairy since she's just too innocent to even look in that region...but Martians have no hair, right?

And I'm only writing this to see if Ray has a reply... :scared:

By the way, Dinah was showing a little bit of camel toe in that first issue...

[Ray G.]

The lot of you forgot Outburst. :nonono2:

[SteveZegers]

The lot of you forgot Outburst. :nonono2:

Just like the rest of the world.

[SteveZegers]

Which one shaves, which one has a landing strip, and who is just completely hairy???

I'm guessing Supergirl is totally shaven since she's a slut. And I was going to say Miss Martian is totally hairy since she's just too innocent to even look in that region...but Martians have no hair, right?

And I'm only writing this to see if Ray has a reply... :scared:

By the way, Dinah was showing a little bit of camel toe in that first issue...

Shaves- Supergirl
Landing Strip- Anarky
Hairy- Miss Martian, but she can change it whenever she likes.

[Ray G.]

Just like the rest of the world.

How could you forget Outburst in Earth-Ray? He and Anarky would be the Superman and Batman of that world. :nonono2:

[SteveZegers]

How could you forget Outburst in Earth-Ray? He and Anarky would be the Superman and Batman of that world. :nonono2:

Even in fictional Earth Ray, no one likes Outburst. On Bizzaro World, no one likes Outburst. It's a universal truth.

[Ray G.]

Even in fictional Earth Ray, no one likes Outburst. On Bizzaro World, no one likes Outburst. It's a universal truth.

Outburst is potentially one of the DCU's most powerful heroes. Why does he get no respect? :nonono2:

[SteveZegers]

Outburst is potentially one of the DCU's most powerful heroes. Why does he get no respect? :nonono2:

Sucks. Because he sucks.

[Olivier E.]

who's Outburst?

[Ray G.]

who's Outburst?

The leader of the Supermen of America. He was a supporting character in the Superman books for the better part of a decade.

He neds a wiki page of his own.

[Deej]

The lot of you forgot Outburst. :nonono2:

Fuck Outburst. I'm glad he fucking died and hope he never comes bag. I spit on his grave!

[Deej]

Even in fictional Earth Ray, no one likes Outburst. On Bizzaro World, no one likes Outburst. It's a universal truth.

Wouldn't they all love Outburst on Bizarro World???

[Vonn Hennigar]

I finally read JLA/Avengers last night and was going to post my thoughts.

But then i saw this inane Outburst shit starting up again so i'm out.

Wake me when it's over.

[Fake Pat]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=121059

Somebody just posted the cover to October's Action Comics.

SWEET JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS, is it awesome.

[Vonn Hennigar]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=121059

Somebody just posted the cover to October's Action Comics.

SWEET JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS, is it awesome.

Hmmmm, didn't i just read this exact story in All-Star Superman?

[Ray G.]

I finally read JLA/Avengers last night and was going to post my thoughts.

But then i saw this inane Outburst shit starting up again so i'm out.

Wake me when it's over.

It's over.

It usually ends when someone asks who Outburst is. :surrend:

[Ray G.]

Hmmmm, didn't i just read this exact story in All-Star Superman?

And wasn't October's Action the Gary Frank Legion issue?

Maybe it double-ships. odd.

[Vonn Hennigar]

And wasn't October's Action the Gary Frank Legion issue?

Maybe it double-ships. odd.

Double ships again????

Damn how many issues of Action Comics will be released in 2007?

I know the Adam Kubert situation shit the bed but man, i gotta go count em up now. It's gotta be 15-16 issues easy all told.

[Ray G.]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/solicitations.html

God help us, they're actually doing Countdown presents: Captain Carrot. :cry:

[Ray G.]

Rucka/Mandrake are officially the team on Crime Bible!

It's only five issues, though. :(

[Ray G.]

DCU Infinite Halloween special!

The return of RESURRECTION MAN!!! :ecstatic:

[Foggy's Pal]

Say what you will, October will be a fantastic month for DC. I'm thrilled for about 80% of the titles.

[Ray G.]

Superman vs. Cthulu?

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/3/SM_Cv668_solicit.jpg

[Ray G.]

Say what you will, October will be a fantastic month for DC. I'm thrilled for about 80% of the titles.

I've got to agree. Looks to me like the event is on, full tilt. I think I'm going to have to cut some Marvel.

[Ray G.]

Heh, Aquaman cancelled. Yeah, that new creative team went well. :lol:

[Foggy's Pal]

I've got to agree. Looks to me like the event is on, full tilt. I think I'm going to have to cut some Marvel.

I will be making major cuts everywhere.

[Ray G.]

I wonder if Bill Willingham has actually turned Shadowpact over to Matt Sturges. In that case, cancelled by 25. :(

[Vonn Hennigar]

BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS #1
WRITTEN by Tony Bedard
Art by Koi Turnbull & Art Thibert
Cover by Turnbull

Meh.

BATMAN #670
Written by Grant Morrison
Art and cover by Tony Daniel
The next chapter of Batman’s life starts here! The shadow of Batman’s archfoe Ra’s al Ghul still looms large over the head of the Dark Knight. Is Ra’s al Ghul destined to live again? Batman begins his quest for the truth in this special prelude to “The Resurrection of Ra’s Al Ghul,” guest-starring Talia al Ghul, Damian, the Sensei and I-Ching!
On sale October 31 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Huzzah!!! Fucking Finally. Plus Tony Daniel takes over. One month or more???

On the other hand, DC is absolutely flooding the market. 65 DCU titles by my count. 10 Johnny DC books, 16 Wildstorm books and 12 Vertigo titles!

103 Books!

They had 31 in the Top 100 in June. You do the math. That's planning to fail. Unless Dan Didio is hoping Marvel doesn't ship anything in October or something.

[Vonn Hennigar]

BLUE BEETLE #20
Written by John Rogers
Art and cover by Rafael Albuquerque
A “Sinestro Corps War” tie-in! The Lanterns’ war hits home as a yellow ring appears in El Paso. But is it being offered to the Scarab or to Jaime Reyes? And whose will is stronger?
On sale October 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Sniff Sniff.

Ah the smell of a comic desperately striving to avoid cancellation how i've missed thee.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Is anyone else highly amused at how Geo-Idiot is left off all the covers featuring the Justice League Of America?

From JLA itself to the Green Lantern Cover to Ethan's Cyborg Superman one-shot cover.

It does my heart good.

[Vonn Hennigar]

THE FLASH #233
Written by Mark Waid & John Rogers
Art by Daniel Acuña and Doug Braithwaite;
Cover by Braithwaite
The Justice League steps up to take away the Flash's loved ones in the name of the law! Also in this issue: "The Fast Life" begins! This backup feature by Waid, Rogers (BLUE BEETLE) and Doug Braithwaite (JUSTICE) picks up from INFINITE CRISIS and reveals the secrets behind the West Family’s otherworldly exile!
On sale October 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


Oh boy. This sounds uh what's the opposite of good?

[Vonn Hennigar]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/CHECK_Cv19_solicit.jpg

Is this a BIG spoiler? I haven't read Checkmate beyond issue # 7

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/CHECK_Cv19_solicit.jpg

Is this a BIG spoiler? I haven't read Checkmate beyond issue # 7

Looks like a big fucking spoiler to me.

[Matt O'Keefe]

WORLD WAR III TP
Written by Keith Champagne and John Ostrander
Art by various
Cover by Ethan Van Sciver
Collecting the 4-issue miniseries WORLD WAR III! Chaos has broken out across the globe, and the grim reality leads to the loss of a Teen Titan. The fate of Aquaman is revealed, a hero is reborn, and the DC Universe bands together against the wrath of an ancient evil!
Advance-solicited; on sale November 7 • 128 pg, FC, $17.99 US



That's like $4.50 an issue:nonono2:

Can I get by not reading these?

[Ray G.]

Looks like a big fucking spoiler to me.

Yep, for everyone. Because this sure as fuck wasn't revealed in the title yet.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yep, for everyone. Because this sure as fuck wasn't revealed in the title yet.

Well, that pisses me right off.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

That's like $4.50 an issue:nonono2:

Can I get by not reading these?

Yes.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

SIMON DARK #1
Written by Steve Niles
Art and cover by Scott Hampton
Gotham City has another guardian, a protector known only in whispers and children’s jump rope songs — and he’s not afraid to get his hands bloody! Meet Simon Dark, the mysterious creature of the night who’s the star of a new ongoing series by the creative team behind the acclaimed GOTHAM COUNTY LINE — writer Steve Niles (30 Days of Night) and artist Scott Hampton (BATMAN: NIGHT CRIES)!
On sale October 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


The hell is this all about, then?

[Ray G.]

SIMON DARK #1
Written by Steve Niles
Art and cover by Scott Hampton
Gotham City has another guardian, a protector known only in whispers and children’s jump rope songs — and he’s not afraid to get his hands bloody! Meet Simon Dark, the mysterious creature of the night who’s the star of a new ongoing series by the creative team behind the acclaimed GOTHAM COUNTY LINE — writer Steve Niles (30 Days of Night) and artist Scott Hampton (BATMAN: NIGHT CRIES)!
On sale October 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


The hell is this all about, then?

A DC book I'm not picking up, it seems.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

A DC book I'm not picking up, it seems.

Same here.

[Matt O'Keefe]

A DC book I'm not picking up, it seems.

I realized that I'm only picking up 3 DC books monthly (5 Marvel) I'm so much more fascinated with trades.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Made a new list of books I'll be buying in the next couple days, any opinions?

EX MACHINA VOL 4 MARCH TO WAR TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
EX MACHINA VOL 5 SMOKE SMOKE TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
DAREDEVIL VOL 4 HC $19.49

$19.49
GRAVITY BIG CITY SUPER HERO DIGEST $5.19

$5.19
FABLES VOL 2 ANIMAL FARM TP $8.44

$8.44
FABLES VOL 3 STORYBOOK LOVE TP (MR) $9.72

$9.72
SWAMP THING VOL 1 SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING TP $12.97

$12.97
KABUKI VOL 1 CIRCLE OF BLOOD TP $12.97

$12.97
DAREDEVIL BY FRANK MILLER & KLAUS JANSON OMNIBUS VOL 1 HC

[Foolish Mortal]

SIMON DARK #1
Written by Steve Niles
Art and cover by Scott Hampton
Gotham City has another guardian, a protector known only in whispers and children’s jump rope songs — and he’s not afraid to get his hands bloody! Meet Simon Dark, the mysterious creature of the night who’s the star of a new ongoing series by the creative team behind the acclaimed GOTHAM COUNTY LINE — writer Steve Niles (30 Days of Night) and artist Scott Hampton (BATMAN: NIGHT CRIES)!
On sale October 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


The hell is this all about, then?
Yeah, that's what Gotham needs. Another dark, mysterious, violent vigilante who runs around at night!

[Ray G.]

Made a new list of books I'll be buying in the next couple days, any opinions?

EX MACHINA VOL 4 MARCH TO WAR TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
EX MACHINA VOL 5 SMOKE SMOKE TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
DAREDEVIL VOL 4 HC $19.49

$19.49
GRAVITY BIG CITY SUPER HERO DIGEST $5.19

$5.19
FABLES VOL 2 ANIMAL FARM TP $8.44

$8.44
FABLES VOL 3 STORYBOOK LOVE TP (MR) $9.72

$9.72
SWAMP THING VOL 1 SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING TP $12.97

$12.97
KABUKI VOL 1 CIRCLE OF BLOOD TP $12.97

$12.97
DAREDEVIL BY FRANK MILLER & KLAUS JANSON OMNIBUS VOL 1 HC

I see absolutely nothing wrong there. Looks awesome. Fables and Ex Machina are sooooooo good.

[Ray G.]

Yeah, that's what Gotham needs. Another dark, mysterious, violent vigilante who runs around at night!

And seriously, an ongoing? Someone's being generous. I give it eight issues. It'll debut out of the top 100.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I see absolutely nothing wrong there. Looks awesome. Fables and Ex Machina are sooooooo good.

I was a little underwhelmed by Ex Machina's first three chapters, does it pick up? I'll read it regardless, it's BKV.



I am so pumped for Book Z. Has he said when it'll be released or at least when we'll get some information on it.

[John Drake]

Heh, Aquaman cancelled. Yeah, that new creative team went well. :lol:

:lol:

Now he's radioactive.

[Ray G.]

According to LITG, JH Williams will be doing the art on a new Batwoman book....which kind of brings to mind Maleev drawing a Slapstick mini.

Also, as minipalooza continues apace, the creative teams for some of the upcoming Titans miniseries are as follows: Cyborg by Adam Beechen and Ken Lashley, and Beast Boy by J. Torres and Mike Norton.

And Peter Tomasi may be taking over both Nightwing and GLC. The former needs new blood now, but I think Gibbons is just hitting his stride on GLC.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

JH Williams is one of the few artists that could get me to buy just about anything.

[John Drake]

According to LITG, JH Williams will be doing the art on a new Batwoman book....which kind of brings to mind Maleev drawing a Slapstick mini.

Also, as minipalooza continues apace, the creative teams for some of the upcoming Titans miniseries are as follows: Cyborg by Adam Beechen and Ken Lashley, and Beast Boy by J. Torres and Mike Norton.

And Peter Tomasi may be taking over both Nightwing and GLC. The former needs new blood now, but I think Gibbons is just hitting his stride on GLC.

Well I think the Batwoman costume is pretty cool. So that's a plus if JH is drawing her. And if you get a completely new writer to develop her a lot, then it could work. Make her a crime fighter who is a lesbian, not a lesbian character who happens to fight crime, which is probably what's boring about her character, the fact that it's just so "let's create a gay character!".

Those Titans teams sound cool. And anything new on Nightwing would please me!!

[Vonn Hennigar]

Full Sales Estimates are up for June 2007 complete with the Top 300 Books and actual numbers. If you're interested to see where Catwoman,Shadowpact,All-New Atom and snicker Aqualoser ended up.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/10906.html

In the meantime look at these numbers and try not to make your head explode . That's how little sense they make.

May 2007

Green Lantern 20 $2.99 DC 60,537

June 2007

Green Lantern : Sinestro Corps Special 1 $4.99 DC 56,820

Now i know there's multiple printings coming and when the July numbers come in i'll add them up but... how do you lose 3717 "readers" with a story like this? Heads should roll in the marketing dept.

[The Doctor]

Which one shaves, which one has a landing strip, and who is just completely hairy???

I'm guessing Supergirl is totally shaven since she's a slut. And I was going to say Miss Martian is totally hairy since she's just too innocent to even look in that region...but Martians have no hair, right?

And I'm only writing this to see if Ray has a reply... :scared:

By the way, Dinah was showing a little bit of camel toe in that first issue...

:scared:

[Ray G.]

Aquaman is getting outsold by Hawkgirl. :lol:

That's really when you know it's time to pack up. When you're getting outsold by an already cancelled title that everyone hates.

[Foolish Mortal]

Aquaman is getting outsold by Hawkgirl. :lol:

That's really when you know it's time to pack up. When you're getting outsold by an already cancelled title that everyone hates.
Aquaman's a good character, but I don't think he's strong enough to carry an ongoing title right now.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Aquaman's a good character, but I don't think he's strong enough to carry an ongoing title right now.

I know i'm a broken record on this issue, but not having an ongoing doesn't mean the character has to be sent to limbo or marginalized. Look at Dr.Strange,Nick Fury or Namor at Marvel. HUGE parts of the Marvel U but they're all lacking ongoing books.

It CAN work for Aquaman too (Even this lame-ass imposter) but i doubt DC will listen and we'll have Aquaman Volume 43 # 1 by the end of 2008 at the LATEST.

[Foolish Mortal]

I know i'm a broken record on this issue, but not having an ongoing doesn't mean the character has to be sent to limbo or marginalized. Look at Dr.Strange,Nick Fury or Namor at Marvel. HUGE parts of the Marvel U but they're all lacking ongoing books.

It CAN work for Aquaman too (Even this lame-ass imposter) but i doubt DC will listen and we'll have Aquaman Volume 43 # 1 by the end of 2008 at the LATEST.
Well just look at Luke Cage. He hasn't had his own book since the early nineties, but just look at how prominent his character is right now.

I agree, Aquaman can be kept a high profile character without having his own book.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 26th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56670204994.19.GIF
Wow, nice rendition of Darkseid there guys :roll:

[SteveZegers]

The 26th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56670204994.19.GIF
Wow, nice rendition of Darkseid there guys :roll:

Looks like Orion stole one of Geoforce's costumes.

[SteveZegers]

Well just look at Luke Cage. He hasn't had his own book since the early nineties, but just look at how prominent his character is right now.

I agree, Aquaman can be kept a high profile character without having his own book.

The real Aquaman should be on the Justice League, and a supporting character.

[SteveZegers]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/solicitations.html

God help us, they're actually doing Countdown presents: Captain Carrot. :cry:

One would assume I'd be thrilled with this news, but I've never read a Captain Carrot book.

[SteveZegers]

Like a cool drink on a hot day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/bizzaro.jpg

Love the Metamorpho cover too.

[SteveZegers]

Wouldn't they all love Outburst on Bizarro World???

No, he sucks there too.

[SteveZegers]

Double ships again????

Damn how many issues of Action Comics will be released in 2007?

I know the Adam Kubert situation shit the bed but man, i gotta go count em up now. It's gotta be 15-16 issues easy all told.

I'm OK with it. Action Comics is special. It can come out every week! (Oh wait, that didn't work. Never mind)

[The Doctor]

The 26th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56670204994.19.GIF
Wow, nice rendition of Darkseid there guys :roll:
:rofl:

The real Aquaman should be on the Justice League, and a supporting character.

He's been deaded hasn't he?

[SteveZegers]

:rofl:


He's been deaded hasn't he?

I thought he turned into the dude from that pirate movie with Legolas? (I Haven't been reading Aquaman either)

[Deej]

According to LITG, JH Williams will be doing the art on a new Batwoman book....which kind of brings to mind Maleev drawing a Slapstick mini.

Also, as minipalooza continues apace, the creative teams for some of the upcoming Titans miniseries are as follows: Cyborg by Adam Beechen and Ken Lashley, and Beast Boy by J. Torres and Mike Norton.

And Peter Tomasi may be taking over both Nightwing and GLC. The former needs new blood now, but I think Gibbons is just hitting his stride on GLC.

The more minis that are being put out by DC, the less likely I'll be picking any up. Seriously...whose idea is it to flood the market like this??? And if its Didio, why are people letting him just run rampant like this?

[Deej]

WORLD WAR III TP
Written by Keith Champagne and John Ostrander
Art by various
Cover by Ethan Van Sciver
Collecting the 4-issue miniseries WORLD WAR III! Chaos has broken out across the globe, and the grim reality leads to the loss of a Teen Titan. The fate of Aquaman is revealed, a hero is reborn, and the DC Universe bands together against the wrath of an ancient evil!
Advance-solicited; on sale November 7 • 128 pg, FC, $17.99 US



That's like $4.50 an issue:nonono2:

Can I get by not reading these?


DCBS should be offering a better price, right?

[Foggy's Pal]

The more minis that are being put out by DC, the less likely I'll be picking any up. Seriously...whose idea is it to flood the market like this??? And if its Didio, why are people letting him just run rampant like this?

Normally, I would be really pissed about this. DC is making Countdown more innaccessible to the casual reader, or one on a budget. I'm going to play along this one time because I like the overall story idea. I just hope there is a really cool payoff.

[Deej]

Made a new list of books I'll be buying in the next couple days, any opinions?

EX MACHINA VOL 4 MARCH TO WAR TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
EX MACHINA VOL 5 SMOKE SMOKE TP (MR) $8.44

$8.44
DAREDEVIL VOL 4 HC $19.49

$19.49
GRAVITY BIG CITY SUPER HERO DIGEST $5.19

$5.19
FABLES VOL 2 ANIMAL FARM TP $8.44

$8.44
FABLES VOL 3 STORYBOOK LOVE TP (MR) $9.72

$9.72
SWAMP THING VOL 1 SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING TP $12.97

$12.97
KABUKI VOL 1 CIRCLE OF BLOOD TP $12.97

$12.97
DAREDEVIL BY FRANK MILLER & KLAUS JANSON OMNIBUS VOL 1 HC


Fables and Ex Machina are very good. I'm interested in getting Kabuki cause I've heard good things about it. Let me know if you enjoy it. The others on your list, i don't know much about...hope you enjoy!

[Foggy's Pal]

Fables and Ex Machina are very good. I'm interested in getting Kabuki cause I've heard good things about it. Let me know if you enjoy it. The others on your list, i don't know much about...hope you enjoy!

Kabuki is fantastic. Mack's art is beautiful and he uses imagery and sensory language amazingly well. All trades are brilliant!

[The Doctor]

I thought he turned into the dude from that pirate movie with Legolas? (I Haven't been reading Aquaman either)

Meh prime punch.

[Deej]

October Buys for me

COUNTDOWN 30-26
COUNTDOWN PRESENTS THE SEARCH FOR RAY PALMER: CRIME SYNDICATE #1
DETECTIVE COMICS #837
CRIME BIBLE: THE FIVE LESSONS OF BLOOD #1 – Have to give Rucka a shot plus it’s 5 issue mini
METAMORPHO YEAR ONE #1-2 – One of my favorite characters!!! Pwns Outburst and Anarky combined!!
SUICIDE SQUAD: RAISE THE FLAG #2 – Ostrander and Squad should be gold
BOOSTER GOLD #3
TALES OF THE SINESTRO CORPS PRESENTS: THE ANTI-MONITOR #1
TALES OF THE SINESTRO CORPS PRESENTS: CYBORG SUPERMAN #1 – I can’t recall anything that Burnett has written before…I hope this isn’t a rehash of everything I already know.
GREEN LANTERN #24
GREEN LANTERN CORPS #17
BATMAN #670
BATMAN CONFIDENTIAL #10 – probably my last issue
ACTION COMICS #858 – No Donner and Gary Frank = :thumb:
SUPERMAN #668
SUPERMAN #669
SUPERGIRL #22 – eh…not so excited about this
THE ALL-NEW ATOM #16
BIRDS OF PREY #111 – More Bedard??? How many titles is he writing now?
THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD #7
THE FLASH #233
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #14
JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA #10
CHECKMATE #19
JONAH HEX #24
SUPERGIRL AND THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #35
THE SPIRIT #11
JLA/HITMAN #2 – YAY!!!
TEEN TITANS #52
WONDER WOMAN #13 – Gail gets a few issues to win me over on Wonder Woman
EX MACHINA #31
DMZ #24

[Deej]

Possible October buys...

POSSIBLE:
COUNTDOWN PRESENTS: LORD HAVOK AND THE EXTREMISTS #1
Written by Frank Tieri
Art and cover by Liam Sharpe

BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS #1
WRITTEN by Tony Bedard
Art by Koi Turnbull & Art Thibert
Cover by Turnbull

DEATH OF THE NEW GODS #1-2
WRITTEN by Jim Starlin
Art and covers by Starlin & Matt Banning
Variant cover issue #1 by Ryan Sook

UNCLE SAM AND THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS #2
Written by Justin Gray & Jimmy Palmiotti

I have the first TPB but have yet to read it. They may win me over. Plus I love The Ray!

BLUE BEETLE #20
Written by John Rogers
Art and cover by Rafael Albuquerque

All of these good reviews...plus it really needs the readership. I'm torn.

ROBIN ANNUAL #7
Written by Keith Champagne
Art by Jason Pearson and Derec Donovan
Cover by Pearson
A special issue tying into next month’s Batman event, “THE RESURRECTION OF RA’S AL GHUL”!

Champagne did a great arc on GLC plus this is going to tie into Batman...

[The Doctor]

Only Detective for me

Oh and that Tim Sale Hardcover

[Deej]

Hell's No for October...

COUNTDOWN TO MYSTERY #2
Written by Steve Gerber and Matt Sturges
Art by Justiniano & Walden Wong and Stephen Segovia
Cover by Paul Gulacy

COUNTDOWN TO ADVENTURE #3
Written by Adam Beechen and Justin Gray
Art by Eddy Barrows & Julio Ferreiro and
Fabrizio Fiorentino

CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK #1
WRITTEN by Bill Morrison
Art by Scott Shaw! & Al Gordon

GREEN ARROW/BLACK CANARY #1
WRITTEN by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Cliff Chiang
Variant cover by Chiang

GOTHAM UNDERGROUND #1
WRITTEN by Frank Tieri
Art and cover by J. Calafiore

INFINITY INC. #2
Written by Peter Milligan
Art and cover by Max Fiumara

BLACK ADAM: THE DARK AGE #3
Written by Peter J. Tomasi
Art by Doug Mahnke & Christian Alamy

52 AFTERMATH: THE FOUR HORSEMEN #3
Written by Keith Giffen
Art by Pat Olliffe & John Stanisci

DC INFINITE HALLOWEEN SPECIAL #1

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #41
Written by Alan Burnett
Art and cover by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolfs

METAL MEN #3
Written by Duncan Rouleau Art and cover by Rouleau

WONDER GIRL #2
Written by J. Torres
Art and cover by Sanford Greene & Nathan Massengill

[Foggy's Pal]

Hell's No for October...

COUNTDOWN TO MYSTERY #2
Written by Steve Gerber and Matt Sturges
Art by Justiniano & Walden Wong and Stephen Segovia
Cover by Paul Gulacy

COUNTDOWN TO ADVENTURE #3
Written by Adam Beechen and Justin Gray
Art by Eddy Barrows & Julio Ferreiro and
Fabrizio Fiorentino

CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK #1
WRITTEN by Bill Morrison
Art by Scott Shaw! & Al Gordon

GREEN ARROW/BLACK CANARY #1
WRITTEN by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Cliff Chiang
Variant cover by Chiang

GOTHAM UNDERGROUND #1
WRITTEN by Frank Tieri
Art and cover by J. Calafiore

INFINITY INC. #2
Written by Peter Milligan
Art and cover by Max Fiumara

BLACK ADAM: THE DARK AGE #3
Written by Peter J. Tomasi
Art by Doug Mahnke & Christian Alamy

52 AFTERMATH: THE FOUR HORSEMEN #3
Written by Keith Giffen
Art by Pat Olliffe & John Stanisci

DC INFINITE HALLOWEEN SPECIAL #1

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #41
Written by Alan Burnett
Art and cover by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolfs

METAL MEN #3
Written by Duncan Rouleau Art and cover by Rouleau

WONDER GIRL #2
Written by J. Torres
Art and cover by Sanford Greene & Nathan Massengill

I'm on the fence about CD to Mystery, but a definite yes on CD to Adventure.

[SteveZegers]

I'm getting everything! Everything!

Yay DC!

[Ray G.]

I'm getting everything! Everything!

Yay DC!

:thumb:

Well, except for the suck. See: Batman Confidential, Aquaman, etc.

[Foggy's Pal]

I'm getting everything! Everything!

Yay DC!

I bow before you.

Is CD to Mystery a direct tie-in to Countdown?

[Ray G.]

I bow before you.

Is CD to Mystery a direct tie-in to Countdown?

Less so than Adventure, but the backup looks to be Countdown related. The main feature is just a repackaging of the pre-cancelled Dr. Fate series.

[Foggy's Pal]

Less so than Adventure, but the backup looks to be Countdown related. The main feature is just a repackaging of the pre-cancelled Dr. Fate series.

Done, and done!

[Deej]

I'm on the fence about CD to Mystery, but a definite yes on CD to Adventure.

I liked Adam Strange and Starfire and Animal Man together during 52...but it seemed like a natural progression from Infinite Crisis. This seems too forced to me. I don't really see this group as a team...and I don't see why Animal Man would leave his family again.

[Deej]

GREEN ARROW/BLACK CANARY #1
WRITTEN by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Cliff Chiang
Variant cover by Chiang
The new Green Arrow/Black Canary team investigates the shocking results of the Wedding of the Century in an all-new adventure that brings the Star City-crossed
lovers together!

If they're married, why do they need an adventure to bring them together? And their first mission is the shocking results of the Wedding of the Century??? Is this their wedding or someone else's?? I really want Winick off this title...this solicit does nothing to interest me.

[Foggy's Pal]

I liked Adam Strange and Starfire and Animal Man together during 52...but it seemed like a natural progression from Infinite Crisis. This seems too forced to me. I don't really see this group as a team...and I don't see why Animal Man would leave his family again.

I am looking forward to the backstory on Forerunner.

[SteveZegers]

I'm not really getting everything. Alot though. Some of this stuff sounds really good to me. Suicide Squad! Black Adam! Metamorpho! Crime Bible!

Good stuff. They are kind of flooding the market a bit.

[lonesomefool]

-I am passing on Batman and The Outsiders. Koi Turnball is just a generic Mike Turner clone, and I just dont like that art style. Plus, Bedard is far too average for me to look past the art.

Other than that here is my October list

-Detective Comics #837
-Green Arrow/Black Canary #1
-Crime Bible #1
-Booster Gold #3
-Green Lantern #24
-Green Lantern Corps #17
-Batman #670
-Flash #233
-JLA #14
-JSA #10
-Checkmate #19
-Teen Titans #52
-Wonder Woman #13
-Authority Prime #1
-Stormwatch:PHD #12

[Deej]

I'm not really getting everything. Alot though. Some of this stuff sounds really good to me. Suicide Squad! Black Adam! Metamorpho! Crime Bible!

Good stuff. They are kind of flooding the market a bit.

Black Adam's appearance in Countdown really killed the mini for me. I was hoping to see more of a powerless Black Adam with Checkmate and hitmen from Bialya on his tail. I would think it would be cool to show that even without his power, Black Adam was still cunning and ruthless.

[THAT Sean!]

October Buys for me

COUNTDOWN 30-26
COUNTDOWN PRESENTS THE SEARCH FOR RAY PALMER: CRIME SYNDICATE #1
TEEN TITANS #52
You, good sir, are a man of impeccable taste.

[Foggy's Pal]

My work in progress list for October:

Countdown times 5
CD to Adventure
GL
GLC
JSA
Lord Havoc and the Extremists
Search For Ray Palmer
SRP- Crime Syndicate
Teen Titans
Flash
Brave and the Bold
Death of New Gods 1 and 2
Sinestro Specials: Cyborg Sup and Anti-Monitor
Gotham Underground
Maybe CD to Mystery

[Deej]

You, good sir, are a man of impeccable taste.

Well thank you kind sir!

Honestly, your one shot is the most interesting Countdown related book to me.

[Foggy's Pal]

Well thank you kind sir!

Honestly, your one shot is the most interesting Countdown related book to me.

I wish it were a mini-series.....:sad:

[The Doctor]

I'm getting everything! Everything!

Yay DC!
Wowsers.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Only Detective for me

Oh and that Tim Sale Hardcover

That is very tempting.......


GREEN ARROW/BLACK CANARY #1
WRITTEN by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Cliff Chiang
Variant cover by Chiang
The new Green Arrow/Black Canary team investigates the shocking results of the Wedding of the Century in an all-new adventure that brings the Star City-crossed
lovers together!

If they're married, why do they need an adventure to bring them together? And their first mission is the shocking results of the Wedding of the Century??? Is this their wedding or someone else's?? I really want Winick off this title...this solicit does nothing to interest me.

But the cover is simply breathtaking

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/1/GABC_Cv1a_solicit.jpg


You, good sir, are a man of impeccable taste.

:lol:

Speaking of your books, do you know any places that sell "The Waiting Place"? Out of copies at Amazon and InStockTrades.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

One would assume I'd be thrilled with this news, but I've never read a Captain Carrot book.

I read one once. It wasn't very good.

[Foggy's Pal]

Wowsers.

Did we just take a boom tube to the 80s?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

My tentative October list:

Batman 670
Batman and the Outsiders 1
Booster Gold 3
Brave and the Bold 7
Checkmate 19
Countdown to Mystery 2
Crime Bible 1
Detective 837
Fables 66
Flash 233
Green Lantern 24
Green Lantern Corps 17
Infinity Inc. 2
Justice League of America 14
Justice Society of America 10
Robin Annual 7
Shadowpact 18
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Anti-Monitor
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Cyborg Superman
Teen Titans 52
Wonder Woman 13

Ex Machina Vol 6

[Foggy's Pal]

My tentative October list:

Batman 670
Batman and the Outsiders 1
Booster Gold 3
Brave and the Bold 7
Checkmate 19
Countdown to Mystery 2
Crime Bible 1
Detective 837
Fables 66
Flash 233
Green Lantern 24
Green Lantern Corps 17
Infinity Inc. 2
Justice League of America 14
Justice Society of America 10
Robin Annual 7
Shadowpact 18
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Anti-Monitor
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Cyborg Superman
Teen Titans 52
Wonder Woman 13

Ex Machina Vol 6

What makes you convinced to get CD to Mystery?

[Matt O'Keefe]

My tentative October list:

Batman 670
Batman and the Outsiders 1
Booster Gold 3
Brave and the Bold 7
Checkmate 19
Countdown to Mystery 2
Crime Bible 1
Detective 837
Fables 66
Flash 233
Green Lantern 24
Green Lantern Corps 17
Infinity Inc. 2
Justice League of America 14
Justice Society of America 10
Robin Annual 7
Shadowpact 18
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Anti-Monitor
Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Cyborg Superman
Teen Titans 52
Wonder Woman 13

Ex Machina Vol 6

I'm getting everything in bold (wow, I've REALLY cut down on singles)

Oh, didn't catch the Ex Machina trade.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Oh and that Tim Sale Hardcover

I was thinking of getting that. What does it include?
I'm afraid it includes a story that I just got in the Ego hardcover...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

What makes you convinced to get CD to Mystery?

I :heart: Eclipso. I can't help it.

[Deej]

I wish it were a mini-series.....:sad:

I agree. BUt I'll take a 1 issue good story over a 4 or 6 or 8 issue mediocre mini!!!

[The Doctor]

That is very tempting.......



Buyyyy itttttttttt

Did we just take a boom tube to the 80s?
Nope TARDIS

I was thinking of getting that. What does it include?
I'm afraid it includes a story that I just got in the Ego hardcover...

I'm not sure.

That's why I'm putting off buying Ego I'd rather have Sale goodness.

[SteveZegers]

Buyyyy itttttttttt

Nope TARDIS


I'm not sure.

That's why I'm putting off buying Ego I'd rather have Sale goodness.

Tardis? You geek!

[The Doctor]

Tardis? You geek!

Erm, hello Doctor.:razz:

I can't believe Steve of all people called me a geek.

[SteveZegers]

Erm, hello Doctor.:razz:

I can't believe Steve of all people called me a geek.

Pot, Kettle. Black.

I know!;)

[Ray G.]

I think I'm buying every in-continuity DC book besides Aquaman and Simon Dark.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I think I'm buying every in-continuity DC book besides Aquaman and Simon Dark.

But how can you complain about all the Countdown tie-ins if you're buying every single one?

[The Doctor]

Pot, Kettle. Black.

I know!;)
You're just jealous I'm still above you in posts.

But how can you complain about all the Countdown tie-ins if you're buying every single one?

He buys so he can complain. See also: Matt O'K.....oh wait......

Hey buddy:D

[Deej]

I think I'm buying every in-continuity DC book besides Aquaman and Simon Dark.

You should just have a sign around your neck that says "SUCKER"

[Matt O'Keefe]

He buys so he can complain. See also: Matt O'K.....oh wait......

Hey buddy:D

Come on, what have I complained about lately?:p

I'm apprehensive about the almost-weekly Amazing, but I'm just not going to buy it.

[Ray G.]

Oh, and Captain Carrot. I don't care if they call it a Countdown tie-in, that's just a step too far.

[Ray G.]

But how can you complain about all the Countdown tie-ins if you're buying every single one?

Because I'll probably enjoy reading them anyway.

Doesn't mean it's not an epic money grab anyway. Not many people have so few hobbies that they can afford to spend almost all their disposable income on comics. :)

[The Doctor]

Come on, what have I complained about lately?:p

I'm apprehensive about the almost-weekly Amazing, but I'm just not going to buy it.
Everything!

Trade instead? Might be worth it if you're getting a trade every 2-3 months (assuming arcs are six issues).

Tell you a little secret Matt.

ITs the same as what they're doing now except all the books are called Amazing.

Oh, and Captain Carrot. I don't care if they call it a Countdown tie-in, that's just a step too far.

Could be worse, could be Bat-mite.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Because I'll probably enjoy reading them anyway.

Doesn't mean it's not an epic money grab anyway. Not many people have so few hobbies that they can afford to spend almost all their disposable income on comics. :)

My suggestion: drop books by writers you don't like all that much like Bedard and buy some old trades.

And yes, it is hard dividing up money for different hobbies:surrend:

[SteveZegers]

You're just jealous I'm still above you in posts.



Total maybe, but not in here where it counts!

And at least I don't like Dr Who!

(Although there is a good chance I would like it. I just knew someone that was sooooo into it, and was such a weird and awful person... it made it impossible for me to even give it a chance)

[SteveZegers]

You should just have a sign around your neck that says "SUCKER"

Along with a couple of other signs he should be wearing too.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Everything!

Trade instead? Might be worth it if you're getting a trade every 2-3 months (assuming arcs are six issues).

Tell you a little secret Matt.

ITs the same as what they're doing now except all the books are called Amazing.

I don't want to get trades simply because I can assume that I won't be a fan of all the writers, which will mean at least partially I'll be buying the book for the character, not the story.

[The Doctor]

Total maybe, but not in here where it counts!

And at least I don't like Dr Who!

(Although there is a good chance I would like it. I just knew someone that was sooooo into it, and was such a weird and awful person... it made it impossible for me to even give it a chance)
Actually you're ahead of me now:lol:

Fair enough. I am neither weird or awful btw.

I don't want to get trades simply because I can assume that I won't be a fan of all the writers, which will mean at least partially I'll be buying the book for the character, not the story.

I love how you can predict the future.

[Ray G.]

My suggestion: drop books by writers you don't like all that much like Bedard and buy some old trades.

And yes, it is hard dividing up money for different hobbies:surrend:

I've actually enjoyed Bedard's DC work for the most part, and I loved Tieri's Underworld. Really, there are no Countdown tie-ins at this point that I simply feel obligated to pick up. I like the looks of most of them.

What's falling fast are the non-continuity books. All four Classified/Confidential books, as well as Superman/Batman, are all but dropped. I'm also getting ready to quit most of my Wildstorm titles besides Ex Machina and Tranquility.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I love how you can predict the future.

It's very unlikely that I'll be a big enough fan of all three or four writers to add books to my list. Especially since some of my favorites have already confirmed that they are not involved.

[The Doctor]

It's very unlikely that I'll be a big enough fan of all three or four writers to add books to my list. Especially since some of my favorites have already confirmed that they are not involved.

Brubaker can only do so much Matt!!!!!

;-)

[Matt O'Keefe]

Brubaker can only do so much Matt!!!!!

;-)

Oh, I would kill to see him take on Peter (not Spider-Man, Peter Parker)


I'm just extremely selective on monthly titles. I've cut down the list tremendously as of late. The true test will come when RAS gets another monthly, I don't know if I could hold off on that.

[The Doctor]

Oh, I would kill to see him take on Peter (not Spider-Man, Peter Parker)


I'm just extremely selective on monthly titles. I've cut down the list tremendously as of late. The true test will come when RAS gets another monthly, I don't know if I could hold off on that.

Read the what if he did a few years back.

Then cry.

:)

[Matt O'Keefe]

Read the what if he did a few years back.

Then cry.

:)

Why? I never heard of it.

[The Doctor]

Why? I never heard of it.

It's not very good.

[Matt O'Keefe]

It's not very good.

:cry:

[Ray G.]

It's not very good.

The problem with it was the problem that I often have with What Ifs. There's too much story for one issue, and it comes out feeling forced and rushed.

[The Doctor]

:cry:


The problem with it was the problem that I often have with What Ifs. There's too much story for one issue, and it comes out feeling forced and rushed.

My main problem is it seemed they took 'what if' for 'lets make everyone act how they totally wouldn't. In most what ifs one minor/major thing is changed and what happens next is true to the characters.

Some really 'whaaaaa?' moments in this one.

[Ray G.]

My main problem is it seemed they took 'what if' for 'lets make everyone act how they totally wouldn't. In most what ifs one minor/major thing is changed and what happens next is true to the characters.

Some really 'whaaaaa?' moments in this one.

Yeah, really.

I don't necessarily think that if Aunt May took the bullet instead of Uncle Ben, Peter would have snapped like that. They did another What If with this concept in the original series that was far superior.

[Deej]

Along with a couple of other signs he should be wearing too.

HOT STUD???

[The Doctor]

Yeah, really.

I don't necessarily think that if Aunt May took the bullet instead of Uncle Ben, Peter would have snapped like that. They did another What If with this concept in the original series that was far superior.

Yeah

This one aye?

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/images/what_if/046.jpg

[SteveZegers]

HOT STUD???

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/untitled1.jpg

[Ray G.]

So....it's on.

[SteveZegers]

So....it's on.

What? Do we have to fight?

[Ray G.]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/FinalCrisis/FinalCrisis.jpg

I wonder if we can keep this thread going through the entire thing. :D

[Matt O'Keefe]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/FinalCrisis/FinalTeaser.html

Final Crisis:scared:


I'm not buying it, even if it is by my man Busiek.

[SteveZegers]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/FinalCrisis/FinalCrisis.jpg

I wonder if we can keep this thread going through the entire thing. :D

I love it. It's so weird to me to see just how much some of the people on here hate DC. They venom being spewed in that other thread is just amazing. Don't get it!

[Matt O'Keefe]

I love it. It's so weird to me to see just how much some of the people on here hate DC. They venom being spewed in that other thread is just amazing. Don't get it!

It's the business dealings that are bothering a lot of people. They dropped the ball with Infinite Crisis, and they're having yet another reboot.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Final Crisis, huh? Okay, sure, count me in.

[Foolish Mortal]

Hopefully, it's better than the incomprehensible Infinite Crisis.

[SteveZegers]

It's the business dealings that are bothering a lot of people. They dropped the ball with Infinite Crisis, and they're having yet another reboot.

It's more than that though. They're talking about DC like Harry Potter talks about Voldemort. It's that "DC raped and killed my parents" attitude. I don't get that. I haven't been all that thrilled with Marvel lately, but I don't feel the need to pop into every single Marvel thread and comment on how much everything sucks. I can't understand that mentality.

[The Doctor]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/FinalCrisis/FinalCrisis.jpg

I wonder if we can keep this thread going through the entire thing. :D
Heh.

It's more than that though. They're talking about DC like Harry Potter talks about Voldemort. It's that "DC raped and killed my parents" attitude. I don't get that. I haven't been all that thrilled with Marvel lately, but I don't feel the need to pop into every single Marvel thread and comment on how much everything sucks. I can't understand that mentality.

DC must not be named!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

DC must not be named!

:D

[SteveZegers]

Heh.


DC must not be named!

Avada Kedavra!

[SteveZegers]

Avada Kedavra!

OH no, I killed the thread! Damn my magical powers!

[THAT Sean!]

Speaking of your books, do you know any places that sell "The Waiting Place"? Out of copies at Amazon and InStockTrades.

My site (http://seanmckeever.com), but they're full price.

[The Doctor]

:D
*bows*

Avada Kedavra!

*dies*

[Deej]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/FinalCrisis/FinalTeaser.html

Final Crisis:scared:


I'm not buying it, even if it is by my man Busiek.

Then you fail. You failed at buying a book by a favorite creator of yours. Isn't that what you always say?? Buy for the writer.

[Deej]

I love it. It's so weird to me to see just how much some of the people on here hate DC. They venom being spewed in that other thread is just amazing. Don't get it!

I love DC but can understand the hate. It's a bit too much. It's not really exciting anymore at DC. They're flooding the market with so called big events and they're not too good. Dedicated readers are having stories invalidated by all of these stupid ploys by DC to fix their "mistakes". It's not needed. DC was supposed to be less dark and more fun after IC...but they kill 2 of their popular characters in Superboy and Kid Flash, left fans of Wally West hanging for over a year with this failed storyline, and no longer showcase their top character...Anarky!

And don't get me started on Match...

[Deej]

My site (http://seanmckeever.com), but they're full price.

Matt being such a big fan wouldn't mind paying extra for your trades!

[Yannick_B]

It's the business dealings that are bothering a lot of people. They dropped the ball with Infinite Crisis, and they're having yet another reboot.

Has it been confirmed its going to be another reboot?

[Ray G.]

Has it been confirmed its going to be another reboot?

Not officially, but with the title "Final", rumors of Mark Millar wanting a fresh start if he goes to DC, and the obscene rate they're killing off their younger heroes at, it looks more and more like it. I just hope they pick good teams if they did reboot it. Some of Millar's suggestions were horrible.

[Yannick_B]

Not officially, but with the title "Final", rumors of Mark Millar wanting a fresh start if he goes to DC, and the obscene rate they're killing off their younger heroes at, it looks more and more like it. I just hope they pick good teams if they did reboot it. Some of Millar's suggestions were horrible.

That seems more like conjuncture than "looks more and more like it".
But heres my own conjuncture; it really looks like they did so much recent rebuilding that I cant imagine they'll do any kind of reboot.
Why bother with 52 & 1 Year Later then?

[YouStayClassy]

That seems more like conjuncture than "looks more and more like it".
But heres my own conjuncture; it really looks like they did so much recent rebuilding that I cant imagine they'll do any kind of reboot.
Why bother with 52 & 1 Year Later then?

$$$$

[Deej]

$$$$

Where do the creative people at DC draw the line at story vs money?? I know they themselves are fans and I doubt they'd let this happen. And I'm just assuming they'd band together and tell the $$$ guys to stuff it...

[lonesomefool]

Passing on Final Crisis. I'm just tired of event and big-universe changing comics. Busiek or no Busiek, I'm burnt out on them.

[lonesomefool]

Where do the creative people at DC draw the line at story vs money?? I know they themselves are fans and I doubt they'd let this happen. And I'm just assuming they'd band together and tell the $$$ guys to stuff it...

I suspect if Didio wants to keep his job, he has to listen to the $$$ guys almost always :cry:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I'm on board for Final Crisis. :rock:

[Deej]

I suspect if Didio wants to keep his job, he has to listen to the $$$ guys almost always :cry:

I thought didio was one of the money guys...

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 27th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.6.GIF

[YouStayClassy]

Where do the creative people at DC draw the line at story vs money?? I know they themselves are fans and I doubt they'd let this happen. And I'm just assuming they'd band together and tell the $$$ guys to stuff it...

I could be completely offbase, but since DC is corporate owned I get this impression the $$$$ guys have more power and control than they should. And no, I don't think they dicate storylines or whatever a la the Marvel money guys did during the Clone Saga, but I'm sure there's a pressure for more big events to sell more books, especially in this post-Civil War World.

[Foolish Mortal]

The 27th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.6.GIF
Even after 20 years, that's still a fantastic cover. Just goes to show that great art never goes out of style.

[lonesomefool]

I thought didio was one of the money guys...

I think Levitz is more the money guy. Didio is just the creative head of DC.

[Deej]

I think Levitz is more the money guy. Didio is just the creative head of DC.

OY!

[lonesomefool]

I could be completely offbase, but since DC is corporate owned I get this impression the $$$$ guys have more power and control than they should. And no, I don't think they dicate storylines or whatever a la the Marvel money guys did during the Clone Saga, but I'm sure there's a pressure for more big events to sell more books, especially in this post-Civil War World.

Agreed, combine that with slumping sales on almost EVERY DC book and your seeing the results with Final Crisis and Countdown tie-ins left and right.

[YouStayClassy]

Agreed, combine that with slumping sales on almost EVERY DC book and your seeing the results with Final Crisis and Countdown tie-ins left and right.

The saddest part of all the numbers would be LOWER without the crossovers and tie-ins. Whenever you have a crossover, the books are always higher due to OCD Collector Mentality (the same of which I suffer from....).

It's just a no-win situation really. The market is still NOWHERE strong enough to support good stories on its own, these huge events are a very necessary evil. At least we get a few under the radar books out of it since the companies are making more money.