Ray's Official DCU Megathread the 3rd: Countdown Edition - Now on Earth-OOMPH!

[Hock]

For those of us wondering what Daniel Acuna's stuff looks like before it's put through the Glossyrizer 2000, well her ya go...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/Justice_League_of_America.jpg

That's no half bad. I would hope that they don't glossy it on Flash, and maybe use a different colorist, but I don't think they will.

[Vonn Hennigar]

That's the thing,with a book like Flash, i think they'll glossy it up even more!

Motion Blurs,mirror images and every other photoshop trick they can think of will be thrown on the wall.

We'll just have to wait and see if it overpowers the story or not.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

For those of us wondering what Daniel Acuna's stuff looks like before it's put through the Glossyrizer 2000, well her ya go...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/Justice_League_of_America.jpg

Now that looks pretty damn good.

[Ray G.]

Yeah, Acuna is pretty damn good when he's not over-glossied. Same for Guedes. Their raw skill is pretty impressive, it's just often ruined by the tricks.

[artimoff]

Any word when the GL hardcovers are going to be put into trade? I started tradewaiting OYL, but havn't seen a trade solicited up until november 07.

[The Doctor]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/SupermanEXCLUSIVE.jpg

Yay or Nay?
Nay inititally but it's good.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 3rd Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/37046835554.2.GIF

[Ray G.]

Yeah but Empress added a much need African American hero to the DCU at that time. The only other minority hero at the time was Steel(I think). Plus Empress origin tied directly into Arrowette and her retirement.

Also what the fuck could the girls teach Spoiler at that time. Secret was crazy.(Not her fault look at her brother.) Cassie was a joke at the time.(Just lusting after Superboy. And now she just mourns him. HA!) Arrowette gave up the superhero gig because of Mommy issues(I don't get why the JSA haven't contacted her. She is Ollie's daughter). Empress was a rookie that stood around and looked cute.

My thoughts are Robin didn't want Spoiler around YJ because Superboy would have stolen her away from him.:eek:

I was just looking for something in this thread, and I came across this post which I never responded to.

Cissie was Ollie's daughter? I thought that was just an unsubstantiated rumor on the web. It would be cool if it was true, but I doubt it'll ever be brought up now that there's another girl bowman around.

And to make this bump a little more worthwhile, I give you a cartoon.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/244/countdownreaction3io0.png

[Ray G.]

The 3rd Cover Of The Day Is...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/37046835554.2.GIF

Ah, right. When GA was a mature-readers book filled with full-frontal and ultraviolence. :lol:

I miss the days of in-canon mature readers books from DC. :(

[jfp2004]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/SupermanEXCLUSIVE.jpg

Yay or Nay?

Definitely yay. Took a minute to get used to it, but it's really nice.

[jamestolliver]

Bit of a slow news weekend eh?

[Ray G.]

Bit of a slow news weekend eh?

Yep. After last week's cons, we're due for one. That was crazy.

This week should be pretty good, though. Lots of talk-worthy books coming out, for good or bad.

[jamestolliver]

Yeah. I just got out to the comic store for the first time in 3 months and got a good load of books. I spent my entire first paycheck from my summer job. It's great to have money for comics.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah. I just got out to the comic store for the first time in 3 months and got a good load of books. I spent my entire first paycheck from my summer job. It's great to have money for comics.

Awesome. I hope you got some good shit.

[jamestolliver]

Awesome. I hope you got some good shit.

yup. The Annihilation Conquest Prolouge was really awesome and I picked up the Mouse Guard hardcove/trade thing which was beautiful.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Ray the new Speedy can't live forever she has AIDS.

The Cissie will come back.

[Ray G.]

Ray the new Speedy can't live forever she has AIDS.

The Cissie will come back.

According to Winick, "She's not dying of AIDS, she's living with HIV."

Translation: "I can drag this story out for as long as they let me! Hey, look! Grace and Thunder are Lesbians now!"

Seriously, though, was there any in-canon support for the Arrowette=GA's daughter theory?

[lonesomefool]

According to Winick, "She's not dying of AIDS, she's living with HIV."

Why dont they just rename her Magic Johnson? :)

[UltimateQuintessa]

According to Winick, "She's not dying of AIDS, she's living with HIV."

Translation: "I can drag this story out for as long as they let me! Hey, look! Grace and Thunder are Lesbians now!"

Seriously, though, was there any in-canon support for the Arrowette=GA's daughter theory?

I could be remembering it wrong but I thought it was eluded to in her first appearance which happened in an issue of Impulse(sorry Ray).

But Ollie is know to be a player so I really don't think it would that far of a stretch to say she was one day down the line.

[The Doctor]

Bit of a slow news weekend eh?

Indeed it's been very quiet here.

[Deej]

According to Winick, "She's not dying of AIDS, she's living with HIV."

Translation: "I can drag this story out for as long as they let me! Hey, look! Grace and Thunder are Lesbians now!"

Seriously, though, was there any in-canon support for the Arrowette=GA's daughter theory?

And she can live for quite some time with HIV...and in comic terms that means for a very, very long time...

Peter David told Cissie's story. It's a complete tale...she really doesn't need to come back as Arrowette. It would be nice to see her interact with Cassie though.

[Ray G.]

And she can live for quite some time with HIV...and in comic terms that means for a very, very long time...

Peter David told Cissie's story. It's a complete tale...she really doesn't need to come back as Arrowette. It would be nice to see her interact with Cassie though.

If she ever does come back as Arrowette, it would have to be for a very good reason, most likely out of necessity to help her friends.

Frankly, as long as Didio's in charge, I hope she and Secret are hidden safely away where he can't get to them. :scared:

[The Doctor]

If she ever does come back as Arrowette, it would have to be for a very good reason, most likely out of necessity to help her friends.

Frankly, as long as Didio's in charge, I hope she and Secret are hidden safely away where he can't get to them. :scared:

:lol:

Didio: Killing teen heroes since 02 (or whatever)

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 4th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/91-1.jpg

[SteveZegers]

If she ever does come back as Arrowette, it would have to be for a very good reason, most likely out of necessity to help her friends.

Frankly, as long as Didio's in charge, I hope she and Secret are hidden safely away where he can't get to them. :scared:

She didn't have any of her fun Silver-Age arrows. The lipstick arrow, the powder-puff arrow, etc... The missed a goldmine.

[The Doctor]

The 4th Cover Of The Day Is...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/91-1.jpg

Nice:thumb:

[SteveZegers]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/SupermanEXCLUSIVE.jpg

Yay or Nay?

Nice art, but that doesn't look like Lois.

[Deej]

Nice art, but that doesn't look like Lois.

I have not seen a consistent look to Lois in quite some time. I think they're currently drawing her like an Asian woman in the Superman comics right now.

[SteveZegers]

I have not seen a consistent look to Lois in quite some time. I think they're currently drawing her like an Asian woman in the Superman comics right now.

Well, her hair has been dark again for a while now, and we don't usually see her wearing glasses are being all that tan. It just looke like some random pretty girl. (More like Lana really)

[Ray G.]

Well, her hair has been dark again for a while now, and we don't usually see her wearing glasses are being all that tan. It just looke like some random pretty girl. (More like Lana really)

Smallville Lana, maybe. Not canon Lana.

And BTW, I keep on forgetting that the original Arrowette was actually a Silver Age character. Waid rocks for digging her up. :lol:

[SteveZegers]

Smallville Lana, maybe. Not canon Lana.

And BTW, I keep on forgetting that the original Arrowette was actually a Silver Age character. Waid rocks for digging her up. :lol:

She's one of the reasons why the Green Arrow Showcase is so funny. She just has all these girly trick arrows... it cracks me up.

[SteveZegers]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/arrowette.jpg

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/arrowette.jpg

:lol:

[Ray G.]

I really like David's retcon of her initial crimefighting outing. She showed up, and promptly got captured by the Rainbow Raider, then tried to hit on GA when he rescued her. :lol:

[SteveZegers]

I really like David's retcon of her initial crimefighting outing. She showed up, and promptly got captured by the Rainbow Raider, then tried to hit on GA when he rescued her. :lol:

I keep telling you guys, the silver-age is a goldmine for potential characters and stories.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

So, I've begun reading the first of Kirby's Fourth World Omnibuses. I'm about a 100-150 pages into it and it rocks! I didn't realize Kirby had a hand in the creation of so much Superman shit (mostly related to Cadmus: the new Newsboy Legion, Habitat, DNAliens, return of the Guardian, etc). And, the Fourth World stuff is great, of course. I didn't realize Scott Free wasn't the first Mister Miracle! :crazy:

[Vonn Hennigar]

So, I've begun reading the first of Kirby's Fourth World Omnibuses. I'm about a 100-150 pages into it and it rocks! I didn't realize Kirby had a hand in the creation of so much Superman shit (mostly related to Cadmus: the new Newsboy Legion, Habitat, DNAliens, return of the Guardian, etc). And, the Fourth World stuff is great, of course. I didn't realize Scott Free wasn't the first Mister Miracle! :crazy:

Just FYI, DC actually hated the way Jack Kirby drew Superman and every appearance of the Big Blue Boy Scout in this "run" was re-drawn by guys like Al Plastino and Murphy Anderson.

The differences are pretty startling.

[YouStayClassy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/arrowette.jpg

:rofl:

I LOVE IT!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Just FYI, DC actually hated the way Jack Kirby drew Superman and every appearance of the Big Blue Boy Scout in this "run" was re-drawn by guys like Al Plastino and Murphy Anderson.

The differences are pretty startling.

That would explain why Supes looks way off. I was wondering about that.

[Vonn Hennigar]

That would explain why Supes looks way off. I was wondering about that.

But re-drawing Jack FUCKING Kirby :?

No wonder DC came this close to going out of business in the 70's :nonono2:

[Vonn Hennigar]

I think Ray shall be pleased by a bit of news in this weeks Lying In The Gutters.

Something concerning Ron Marz,Ion and the Tangent Universe

[Ray G.]

I think Ray shall be pleased by a bit of news in this weeks Lying In The Gutters.

Something concerning Ron Marz,Ion and the Tangent Universe

Too awesome for words. :D

[Ray G.]

I :heart: Animaniacs.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7450/goodidea1ki6.png

[John Drake]

I :heart: Animaniacs.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7450/goodidea1ki6.png

:rofl:

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 5th Cover Of The Day...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/01062288700.544.GIF

[Ray G.]

They look like they're all taking a shit.

[jamestolliver]

The 5th Cover Of The Day...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/01062288700.544.GIF

brianiac is so about bang himself.

[Vonn Hennigar]

They look like they're all taking a shit.

Now you know how Milestone Comics was born. :twisted:

[Ray G.]

Now you know how Milestone Comics was born. :twisted:

:lol:

Static and Icon were good, though. :mad:

[HomerGator]

But re-drawing Jack FUCKING Kirby :?

No wonder DC came this close to going out of business in the 70's :nonono2:

Have we ever seen what Kirby's Superman's face looked like before being redrawn? I bet it was fifty times better than anything else they were doing at the time.

Probably a pretty safe bet.

[John Drake]

I like how Friday Night Lights is shot.

Saw the first two episodes.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Have we ever seen what Kirby's Superman's face looked like before being redrawn? I bet it was fifty times better than anything else they were doing at the time.

Probably a pretty safe bet.

Real Jack Kirby - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead1.jpg

Published "Jack Kirby" - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead2.jpg

[Hock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/arrowette.jpg

Sexism rocks. :D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Real Jack Kirby - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead1.jpg

Published "Jack Kirby" - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead2.jpg

I can't believe that they changed Kirby's art. That's a fuckin sin.

[Hock]

I can't believe that they changed Kirby's art. That's a fuckin sin.

I know. Is the spit url so fucking sacred or something that they had to preserve it?

[SteveZegers]

The 5th Cover Of The Day...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/01062288700.544.GIF

I'm torn. As much as I like robot Brainiac, little pink leotard hangs out with a space-monkey Brainiac is also cool.

[SteveZegers]

Real Jack Kirby - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead1.jpg

Published "Jack Kirby" - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead2.jpg

What the heck were they thinking.

[The Doctor]

I'm torn. As much as I like robot Brainiac, little pink leotard hangs out with a space-monkey Brainiac is also cool.

What is it with the monkey?

[SteveZegers]

What is it with the monkey?

Everyone needs a friend. Brainiac needed Koko.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/koko.jpg

[The Doctor]

Everyone needs a friend. Brainiac needed Koko.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/koko.jpg

I....see.

[Deej]

:rofl:

Oh...that's supposed to be Spoiler I guess???

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I know. Is the spit url so fucking sacred or something that they had to preserve it?

Bastards.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Everyone needs a friend. Brainiac needed Koko.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/SteveZ/koko.jpg

Whatever happened to koko?

[SteveZegers]

Whatever happened to koko?

I think he disappeared during one of Brainiac's upgrades.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I think he disappeared during one of Brainiac's upgrades.

They should totally bring him back.

[SteveZegers]

They should totally bring him back.

The monkey was in Justice.

They have to make a decision and figure out what Brainiac looks like. Every time he's completely different. He needs a look.

(And a white space-monkey)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

The monkey was in Justice.

They have to make a decision and figure out what Brainiac looks like. Every time he's completely different. He needs a look.

(And a white space-monkey)

Sweet. One more reason to read Justice.

[The Doctor]

I think he disappeared during one of Brainiac's upgrades.

He became part of Brainiac;)

[SteveZegers]

He became part of Brainiac;)

Possible. They need to get raw materials from somewhere, and if KoKO was just sitting there...

[The Doctor]

Possible. They need to get raw materials from somewhere, and if KoKO was just sitting there...

He got his banana eating ass upgraded.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

He got his banana eating ass upgraded.

:eek:

[SteveZegers]

:eek:

This smiley isn't very expressive. I don't get what he's trying to say.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

This smiley isn't very expressive. I don't get what he's trying to say.

:dunno:

[SteveZegers]

:dunno:

Now what's that supposed to mean? :-x

[Matt O'Keefe]

Ugh..... I'm not even going to attempt to catch up. I'll just forget about these last 50 pages.

[YouStayClassy]

Pretty slow day tomorrow.... bummer. I really need some comics to escape into.

[The Doctor]

:eek:
Oh it's true.

Ugh..... I'm not even going to attempt to catch up. I'll just forget about these last 50 pages.

It turns out Ray's a girl and I'm a Doctor.

[Matt O'Keefe]

It turns out Ray's a girl and I'm a Doctor.

Wait..... you're a Doctor?;)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Now what's that supposed to mean? :-x

:sherlock:

[The Doctor]

Wait..... you're a Doctor?;)

The Doctor.

Just The doctor.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Anyone else watching Wimbledon? Sharapova just won her match..

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

It turns out Ray's a girl and I'm a Doctor.

but are you THE Doctor?

[Ray G.]

Brainiac had a monkey? :nonono2:

[The Doctor]

but are you THE Doctor?

That right, yes:D

[Ray G.]

Pretty slow day tomorrow.... bummer. I really need some comics to escape into.

:(

Yeah, it doesn't look too great. I mean, there's Teen Titans, but the last issue was terrible, and it's just the second of three fill-in tie-ins, soooooo....

Amazons Attack has been terrible so far. I'm hoping Countdown will be good. And wait! It's not a slow day at all! SINESTRO CORPS! :D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

That right, yes:D

where's the Tardis?!?

[YouStayClassy]

:(

Yeah, it doesn't look too great. I mean, there's Teen Titans, but the last issue was terrible, and it's just the second of three fill-in tie-ins, soooooo....

Amazons Attack has been terrible so far. I'm hoping Countdown will be good. And wait! It's not a slow day at all! SINESTRO CORPS! :D

Yeah, I'm not even touching Titans until issue 50.

And I'm so out of the loop with the Green Lantern, I fear I'd be lost with the Sinestro Corps.

[Matt O'Keefe]

:(

Yeah, it doesn't look too great. I mean, there's Teen Titans, but the last issue was terrible, and it's just the second of three fill-in tie-ins, soooooo....

Amazons Attack has been terrible so far. I'm hoping Countdown will be good. And wait! It's not a slow day at all! SINESTRO CORPS! :D

You guys are crazy...... three Bru books are coming out. It's an awsome week.

[The Doctor]

where's the Tardis?!?

Outside.

[Ray G.]

You guys are crazy...... three Bru books are coming out. It's an awsome week.

Criminal and Daredevil and?

And Marvel doesn't count 'round these parts. :no:

[Matt O'Keefe]

Criminal and Daredevil and?

And Marvel doesn't count 'round these parts. :no:

Iron Fist.

And for the last time, this isn't a DC thread:p

[YouStayClassy]

I am SOOOOO psyched for DC this summer. They're going to have two of the most incredible team books I can think of in recent memory.

[Deej]

Brainiac had a monkey? :nonono2:

Didn't you read the Legion of Superheroes storyline where they were stranded in the present day DCU?? They interacted with Superboy and the Impulse titles among others. Anyway, Koko was a monkey in a laboratory that was freed and took a liking to Brainiac 5. He appeared in a number of issues with them.

[Ray G.]

I am SOOOOO psyched for DC this summer. They're going to have two of the most incredible team books I can think of in recent memory.

Well, McKeever on Titans is a given. What's the other?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Outside.

So, I finally starting watching the show. I obtained the first season and have just started to watch it.

[Deej]

So, I finally starting watching the show. I obtained the first season and have just started to watch it.

what show?

[YouStayClassy]

Well, McKeever on Titans is a given. What's the other?

McDuffie on the JLA. I'm practically frothing at the mouth for it.

[Ray G.]

McDuffie on the JLA. I'm practically frothing at the mouth for it.

Think it's going to be that good, huh? I think it'll be fun, but it'll depend on who he uses as his cast. Meltzer's team did very little for me.

JSA is still one of the most amazing books on the stands. I really hope it gets its momentum back after that bizarre crossover.

[The Doctor]

So, I finally starting watching the show. I obtained the first season and have just started to watch it.
What you think?

McDuffie on the JLA. I'm practically frothing at the mouth for it.

:thumb:

[SteveZegers]

what show?

Hey Paula, the Paula Abdul reality show. He love it!

[YouStayClassy]

Think it's going to be that good, huh? I think it'll be fun, but it'll depend on who he uses as his cast. Meltzer's team did very little for me.

JSA is still one of the most amazing books on the stands. I really hope it gets its momentum back after that bizarre crossover.

That's exactly what I'm counting on. I want to see some fantastic larger than life adventures but still maintain the down to earth writing style McDuffie excels in. The cast will play a huge role, but I'm not too worried.

Meltzer's problem wasn't the team in my opinion, it's what he did with them. Which was basically nothing.

[Deej]

Hey Paula, the Paula Abdul reality show. He love it!

OH Gawd!!!

[Ray G.]

That's exactly what I'm counting on. I want to see some fantastic larger than life adventures but still maintain the down to earth writing style McDuffie excels in. The cast will play a huge role, but I'm not too worried.

Meltzer's problem wasn't the team in my opinion, it's what he did with them. Which was basically nothing.

The thing is, the thing I liked most about McDuffie's JLU(the extended family feel, with multi-generational League) has already been done to perfection in JSA. Still, though, I think JLA will be very good. And I like that McDuffie seems to be settling in for a long run!

[YouStayClassy]

The thing is, the thing I liked most about McDuffie's JLU(the extended family feel, with multi-generational League) has already been done to perfection in JSA. Still, though, I think JLA will be very good. And I like that McDuffie seems to be settling in for a long run!

That's a book I'm really behind on to. I tried reading stuff about the Lightning Saga, but.... yeah. No clue what's going on there.

Is Cyclone any less "eye clawing out" bad yet?

[Ray G.]

That's a book I'm really behind on to. I tried reading stuff about the Lightning Saga, but.... yeah. No clue what's going on there.

Is Cyclone any less "eye clawing out" bad yet?

Que?

I love Cyclone. :(

[YouStayClassy]

Que?

I love Cyclone. :(

She reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy rubbed me the wrong way in the first three issues. That whole thing about her being the only person showing up to the fanclub meeting and talking for three hours.... I donno.... that made my eyes roll so hard my retina detached.

[Matt O'Keefe]

And I like that McDuffie seems to be settling in for a long run!

But knowing DC, if sales start to drop he'll be replaced in a heartbeat:surrend:

[YouStayClassy]

But knowing DC, if sales start to drop he'll be replaced in a heartbeat:surrend:

What's sad is they're gong to drop regardless of how good McDuffie starts off the run. :(

[The Doctor]

What's sad is they're gong to drop regardless of how good McDuffie starts off the run. :(

Bingo.

[YouStayClassy]

Bingo.

I really REALLY hate the comics' industry sometimes. I really really hate that deeply established creators who don't equal instant sales numbers aren't respected by the mass audiences the way "hot" ones are.

[The Doctor]

I really REALLY hate the comics' industry sometimes. I really really hate that deeply established creators who don't equal instant sales numbers aren't respected by the mass audiences the way "hot" ones are.

Elaborate.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

what show?

Doctor Who


What you think?


Awesome so far.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Que?

I love Cyclone. :(

eh, I can't much stand her either.

[The Doctor]

Doctor Who



Awesome so far.

Good man:thumb:

PM me with thoughts:)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Good man:thumb:

PM me with thoughts:)

I've only just begun the season. I'll be diving through the rest when I get home from work. And dammit, I'm having a helluva time getting ahold of season 2

[Deej]

Doctor Who



Awesome so far.

I tried the first episode...couldn't get into it. Really cheesy stuff.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I tried the first episode...couldn't get into it. Really cheesy stuff.

I thought the first episode was really fun. Awesome music and the Doctor kicks ass.

[Chinaski]

What's sad is they're gong to drop regardless of how good McDuffie starts off the run. :(



Is McDuffie going to get the "added benefit" of variant covers by Alex Ross or Phil Jiminez on his issues like Meltzer got on his? That might help to bolster sales of his early issues.

[YouStayClassy]

Elaborate.
Like how creators like Christopher Priest write such incredible stories but don't get met with high sales while "hot Wizard" creators can do very subpar books but constantly place in the top 10.

Is McDuffie going to get the "added benefit" of variant covers by Alex Ross or Phil Jiminez on his issues like Meltzer got on his? That might help to bolster sales of his early issues.

One would have to imagine a slew of variants.

[Deej]

Like how creators like Christopher Priest write such incredible stories but don't get met with high sales while "hot Wizard" creators can do very subpar books but constantly place in the top 10.


One would have to imagine a slew of variants.

Christopher Priest is a perfect example! He's written some really great stuff but never seems to last too long on his books.

[Chinaski]

She reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy rubbed me the wrong way in the first three issues. That whole thing about her being the only person showing up to the fanclub meeting and talking for three hours.... I donno.... that made my eyes roll so hard my retina detached.



eh, I can't much stand her either.



I totally agree with both you guys, Cyclone to this point has been written so much like Justice was in the early issues of Kurt Busieks Avengers series - too much of a cheerleader and all around idol worshipper that is impossible for me to like the character at all. She has mostly been cringe worthy thru most of her appearances. Ive talked to my friends about the storyline (before this Lightning Saga hoo-ha) and expressed how i thought she was going to either turn into the biggest JSA shill (for lack of a better word) character or something will happen and she will turn evil or otherwise betray the team.

[YouStayClassy]

Christopher Priest is a perfect example! He's written some really great stuff but never seems to last too long on his books.

He's the epitome of my point. His 5 year run on Black Panther is one of the most intense, incredible, moving books I've ever read..... and it barely even registered a pulse on the sales charts.

[YouStayClassy]

I totally agree with both you guys, Cyclone to this point has been written so much like Justice was in the early issues of Kurt Busieks Avengers series - too much of a cheerleader and all around idol worshipper that is impossible for me to like the character at all. She has mostly been cringe worthy thru most of her appearances. Ive talked to my friends about the storyline (before this Lightning Saga hoo-ha) and expressed how i thought she was going to either turn into the biggest JSA shill (for lack of a better word) character or something will happen and she will turn evil or otherwise betray the team.

Now that is a FANTASTIC comparison. It was worse with Justice because he was such an established character before that Busiek's writing was beyond grating, but you totally nailed it.

Johns really needs to dial her back or, yeah, have her betray the team horribly.

[Deej]

He's the epitome of my point. His 5 year run on Black Panther is one of the most intense, incredible, moving books I've ever read..... and it barely even registered a pulse on the sales charts.

His work with DC properties barely registered too. I loved The Ray that he was writing. I thought he did a very admirable job with Steel too.

[Olivier E.]

what happened to that Superboy sect, who wanted to ressurect him? and to Batwoman? and to question(montoya)?

[Deej]

what happened to that Superboy sect, who wanted to ressurect him? and to Batwoman? and to question(montoya)?

Nuclear War. True Story, Swear to God!

[Olivier E.]

Nuclear War. True Story, Swear to God!

Crosscompany crossover?

[Ray G.]

His work with DC properties barely registered too. I loved The Ray that he was writing. I thought he did a very admirable job with Steel too.

His Steel was a pretty radical redesign of the title. I liked it, but I liked the previous writer(who was that?) better. The Hazard saga was exceptional. Steel's just an all-around great character, though.

Why isn't Priest writing Black Panther?

[Ray G.]

what happened to that Superboy sect, who wanted to ressurect him? and to Batwoman? and to question(montoya)?

The Superboy Cult was revealed as a fraud. Batwoman and Questoya are still around. They'll return in Greg Rucka's Crime Bible title soon.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Why isn't Priest writing Black Panther?

Because god doesn't want me to be happy.

[Ray G.]

Now that is a FANTASTIC comparison. It was worse with Justice because he was such an established character before that Busiek's writing was beyond grating, but you totally nailed it.

Johns really needs to dial her back or, yeah, have her betray the team horribly.

Justice was a case of an established character being essentially de-aged and turned into a superhero groupie. That was horrible. It would be like Nova joining the Avengers and going gaga over meeting Spider-man now.

See, I like Cyclone, because while she's all sweet and perky now, it was implied in the first issue that she's got some darkness under that. They mentioned she's bipolar, I believe. I think Johns has some big plans for her, and the perkiness is to lull us into a false sense of security. She won't betray the team, but I wouldn't be surprised if her issues wind up getting someone seriously hurt.

[Olivier E.]

His work with DC properties barely registered too. I loved The Ray that he was writing. I thought he did a very admirable job with Steel too.

but he was like one of the most important DC editors or not`?

[Foolish Mortal]

His Steel was a pretty radical redesign of the title. I liked it, but I liked the previous writer (who was that?) better. The Hazard saga was exceptional. Steel's just an all-around great character, though.
Louise Simonson (The creator of John Henry Irons)


Why isn't Priest writing Black Panther?
Ask Quesada. When they announced the new Panther series, they decided to go in a new direction with Hudlin.

As much as I personally don't care for Hudlin's version of the Panther, I have to begrudgingly admit it's been more successful overall than Priest's Panther.

[YouStayClassy]

Justice was a case of an established character being essentially de-aged and turned into a superhero groupie. That was horrible. It would be like Nova joining the Avengers and going gaga over meeting Spider-man now.

See, I like Cyclone, because while she's all sweet and perky now, it was implied in the first issue that she's got some darkness under that. They mentioned she's bipolar, I believe. I think Johns has some big plans for her, and the perkiness is to lull us into a false sense of security. She won't betray the team, but I wouldn't be surprised if her issues wind up getting someone seriously hurt.
I certainly hope so. She needs some serious character growth.

Louise Simonson (The creator of John Henry Irons)


Ask Quesada. When they announced the new Panther series, they decided to go in a new direction with Hudlin.

As much as I personally don't care for Hudlin's version of the Panther, I have to begrudgingly admit it's been more successful overall than Priest's Panther.

You really gotta give it to Marvel's hype machine.... the marriage to Storm has done wonders for the book's numbers.

[xanderharris]

i want 80's precrisis robot brainiac back!

[UltimateQuintessa]

Hey can you guys cheer me up I'm feeling a little down right now.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Hey can you guys cheer me up I'm feeling a little down right now.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/i-not-barf-i-messy-eeter.jpg

[Ray G.]

Hey can you guys cheer me up I'm feeling a little down right now.

Somewhere, right now, a grown man is crapping his pants in public.

So you see, it could be worse.

You didn't crap your pants in public today, did you? :scared:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Somewhere, right now, a grown man is crapping his pants in public.

So you see, it could be worse.

You didn't crap your pants in public today, did you? :scared:

No but it feels like some crapped in my brain.

[The Doctor]

Like how creators like Christopher Priest write such incredible stories but don't get met with high sales while "hot Wizard" creators can do very subpar books but constantly place in the top 10.


One would have to imagine a slew of variants.
Ah I see.

I feel like that sometimes.

His Steel was a pretty radical redesign of the title. I liked it, but I liked the previous writer(who was that?) better. The Hazard saga was exceptional. Steel's just an all-around great character, though.

Why isn't Priest writing Black Panther?
5 years is quite a bit maybe he told all the stories he wanted to.

Hey can you guys cheer me up I'm feeling a little down right now.

What's up man?

[UltimateQuintessa]

Ah I see.

I feel like that sometimes.

5 years is quite a bit maybe he told all the stories he wanted to.


What's up man?

The Chris Benoit thing has got me down.

[The Doctor]

The Chris Benoit thing has got me down.

Same here.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Oh Ray I did some research(Re-read Secret Origins 80 page giant, dedicated all to Young Justice) I was way off on Arrowette's parentage.

Cissie's Mom did briefly encounter GA and Speedy but she married a guy nicknamed Bowstring Jones and that's Cissie's father. He died when Cissie was young of eating some bad shellfish.

[Ray G.]

Oh Ray I did some research(Re-read Secret Origins 80 page giant, dedicated all to Young Justice) I was way off on Arrowette's parentage.

Cissie's Mom did briefly encounter GA and Speedy but she married a guy nicknamed Bowstring Jones and that's Cissie's father. He died when Cissie was young of eating some bad shellfish.

Yeah, I know that. It was explained in the YJ Origins 80-page giant. But there's still some speculation that she...er...was busy around the DCU. :)

I prefer that she's not GA's daughter. Connor's enough for illegitimate kids of GA.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Yeah, I know that. It was explained in the YJ Origins 80-page giant. But there's still some speculation that she...er...was busy around the DCU. :)

I prefer that she's not GA's daughter. Connor's enough for illegitimate kids of GA.

I think Ollie needs to have more illegitimate children than Bruce and right now they are tied.:eek:

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 6th Cover Of The Day...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/48-1.jpg

[Hock]

The monkey was in Justice.

They have to make a decision and figure out what Brainiac looks like. Every time he's completely different. He needs a look.

(And a white space-monkey)

But by his very nature he isn't confined to a look. He does need that white Space Monkey though.

Braniac as a white space monkey! :eek:

[Vonn Hennigar]

But by his very nature he isn't confined to a look. He does need that white Space Monkey though.

Braniac as a white space monkey! :eek:


Isn't that The Ultra-Humanite's gig already?

[UltimateQuintessa]

The 6th Cover Of The Day...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/48-1.jpg

Whose that black guy?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Whose that black guy?

Duh... It's MAL!!!!

THE new super-hero find of 1977!!!!

Okay i have no clue who that is. :-?

Let's pretend his code-name is Token Black Guy # 42.

[Hock]

Oh it's true.


It turns out Ray's a girl and I'm a Doctor.

I know Ray was hiding something. Since he's been talking about Sasha for wuite a while, does that mean Ray's a Lesbian?

[Hock]

Page 666! :twisted:


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[UltimateQuintessa]

Page 666! :twisted:


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It's only page 333 for me.:blah:

[The Doctor]

Whose that black guy?
Luke Cage

I know Ray was hiding something. Since he's been talking about Sasha for wuite a while, does that mean Ray's a Lesbian?

Totally.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The 6th Cover Of The Day...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/48-1.jpg

Oh and is it just me or does ANYTHING bug you more in terms of comic book art then when someone draws Two-Face this damn dumb looking?

It drives me mad, Green,Purple whatever. His damn face was horribly scarred with ACID! He wasn't fucking drenched with multi-Coloured paint!

Bad comic book artists, Bad! :no:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Why would Harvey's daughter be on the Teen Titans?

Wait a minute it's pre-crisis. I don't care.

[jamestolliver]

Luke Cage

That was so my answer.

[Foolish Mortal]

Whose that black guy?
Mal Duncan. Better known now as Vox.

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/mal.html

[Hock]

Criminal and Daredevil and?

And Marvel doesn't count 'round these parts. :no:

Iron Fist. :rock: Which isn't just a Brubaker book. It's a Brubaker/Fraction book. Bruction. Frabaker. Brubation. Fracker.

Yes it foes, I've even done some marvel reviews. Did you see the New Avengers #31 review? I linked it on the first page.

[The Doctor]

That was so my answer.

Too slow!

[YouStayClassy]

Why would Harvey's daughter be on the Teen Titans?

Wait a minute it's pre-crisis. I don't care.

So true.

[jamestolliver]

Too slow!

Yeah well, your mom isn't!

[Hock]

Why would Harvey's daughter be on the Teen Titans?

Wait a minute it's pre-crisis. I don't care.

It's true. And that's really sad.

[Vonn Hennigar]

It's the Joker's Daughter as in the bitch who just got killed in Countdown.

She claimed to be the daughter of everyone from Joker to Two-Face to the Riddler to fucking Paste Pot Pete.

[UltimateQuintessa]

It's true. And that's really sad.

At least she's not a Skrull.:eek:

[Hock]

McDuffie on the JLA. I'm practically frothing at the mouth for it.

That title I'm a little hesitant on. I haven't like Mcduffie on Fantastic Four. But that could've had something to do with Black Panther and Storm being shoe horned onto the team.

[Hock]

She reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy rubbed me the wrong way in the first three issues. That whole thing about her being the only person showing up to the fanclub meeting and talking for three hours.... I donno.... that made my eyes roll so hard my retina detached.

Yeah, in the beggining she was pretty fucking bad, but she's gotten better. The scene in the JSA/JLA crossover that has her talking with Red Tornado was good.

[YouStayClassy]

That title I'm a little hesitant on. I haven't like Mcduffie on Fantastic Four. But that could've had something to do with Black Panther and Storm being shoe horned onto the team.

I've only read the first two issues, but I thought he did a fantastic job. Panther and Storm.... eh, what're ya gonna do? Marvel's kept the numbers on FF higher than they've been in quite some time, can't blame them for trying anything at this point.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Yeah, in the beggining she was pretty fucking bad, but she's gotten better. The scene in the JSA/JLA crossover that has her talking with Red Tornado was good.

She had like 4 lines in that whole crossover and appeared in maybe 8 panels :-?

[The Doctor]

Yeah well, your mom isn't!

:(

I thought we were buddies.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I've only read the first two issues, but I thought he did a fantastic job. Panther and Storm.... eh, what're ya gonna do? Marvel's kept the numbers on FF higher than they've been in quite some time, can't blame them for trying anything at this point.

But...T-Challa caught the Silver Surfer in the Masterlock and Norrin had to SELL it. :nonono2:

[UltimateQuintessa]

:(

I thought we were buddies.

jamestag is a hater. Don't worry about it.

[jamestolliver]

That title I'm a little hesitant on. I haven't like Mcduffie on Fantastic Four. But that could've had something to do with Black Panther and Storm being shoe horned onto the team.

I'm really hoping that it's good. I think it will be a step up from Metzler which, I didn't hate.

[YouStayClassy]

But...T-Challa caught the Silver Surfer in the Masterlock and Norrin had to SELL it. :nonono2:

Eh?

[Foolish Mortal]

But...T-Challa caught the Silver Surfer in the Masterlock and Norrin had to SELL it. :nonono2:
It was an armbar, not the Masterlock. :no:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Eh?

Just what it sounds like. T'Challa hopped on the board got the Surfer in the Masterlock and the Surfer couldn't get loose.

:no:

[jamestolliver]

jamestag is a hater. Don't worry about it.

NO! I love you. Is this about Hillary Duff? Bros before hoes man!

[Hock]

I tried the first episode...couldn't get into it. Really cheesy stuff.

It's supposed to be cheesy.

[YouStayClassy]

Just what it sounds like. T'Challa hopped on the board got the Surfer in the Masterlock and the Surfer couldn't get loose.

:no:

But, um, the Silver Surfer's like..... strong, or something? I saw him totally take an asskicking from the Hulk and get right back up.

[jamestolliver]

:(

I thought we were buddies.

Would you rather your mom be slow. She's fast. Like the flash...and um...we all like the flash right?

[Vonn Hennigar]

But, um, the Silver Surfer's like..... strong, or something? I saw him totally take an asskicking from the Hulk and get right back up.

True but then again, that issue also saw Storm hit the Surfer with Lightning Bolts!

This was in SPACE mind you. :eek:

[jamestolliver]

True but then again, that issue also saw Storm hit the Surfer with Lightning Bolts!

This was in SPACE mind you. :eek:

Well you know...space lightning and stuff...

[UltimateQuintessa]

True but then again, that issue also saw Storm hit the Surfer with Lightning Bolts!

This was in SPACE mind you. :eek:

Uh... Hello...DC thread?

[Ray G.]

Duh... It's MAL!!!!

THE new super-hero find of 1977!!!!

Okay i have no clue who that is. :-?

Let's pretend his code-name is Token Black Guy # 42.

His codename used to be Hornblower. :D

[Foolish Mortal]

But, um, the Silver Surfer's like..... strong, or something? I saw him totally take an asskicking from the Hulk and get right back up.
I believe McDuffie inferred that the Surfer was "selling" the move as he didn't really want to fight the Fantastic Four.

[Ray G.]

I know Ray was hiding something. Since he's been talking about Sasha for wuite a while, does that mean Ray's a Lesbian?

Hawt. :D

[Hock]

But, um, the Silver Surfer's like..... strong, or something? I saw him totally take an asskicking from the Hulk and get right back up.

Exactly. And T'challa, for all his skills, doesn't actually have superpowers.

[YouStayClassy]

True but then again, that issue also saw Storm hit the Surfer with Lightning Bolts!

This was in SPACE mind you. :eek:


I believe McDuffie inferred that the Surfer was "selling" the move as he didn't really want to fight the Fantastic Four.

Well..... hopefully McDuffie has a similiar scene where Batman punks out Bizarro that way or something....

[Ray G.]

Oh and is it just me or does ANYTHING bug you more in terms of comic book art then when someone draws Two-Face this damn dumb looking?

It drives me mad, Green,Purple whatever. His damn face was horribly scarred with ACID! He wasn't fucking drenched with multi-Coloured paint!

Bad comic book artists, Bad! :no:

They've never really had a distinct look for Two-Face. I actually prefer his scarring not to be too grotesque. I think it's a very interesting touch that he was actually bipolar before his scarring, and this just triggered it.

[Ray G.]

Why would Harvey's daughter be on the Teen Titans?

Wait a minute it's pre-crisis. I don't care.

She wasn't actually his daughter. It's Joker's Daughter, aka crazy girl who got plugged by the Monitor a few weeks back. The Titans basically tolerated her to keep a close eye on her.

[Ray G.]

But...T-Challa caught the Silver Surfer in the Masterlock and Norrin had to SELL it. :nonono2:

That was the worst scene in any Non-Aquaman comic this year. Worse than the repeated Robin nut-shots.

At least he didn't steal his surfboard.

[jamestolliver]

Upgrayedd, I looked at your horrific sig image and it didn't disappoint. I feel cold now. Very, very cold.

[Hock]

They've never really had a distinct look for Two-Face. I actually prefer his scarring not to be too grotesque. I think it's a very interesting touch that he was actually bipolar before his scarring, and this just triggered it.

Fair enough, but there should be some scarring.

[YouStayClassy]

Upgrayedd, I looked at your horrific sig image and it didn't disappoint. I feel cold now. Very, very cold.

:D

I believe in 100% truthful advertising.

[jamestolliver]

That was the worst scene in any Non-Aquaman comic this year. Worse than the repeated Robin nut-shots.

At least he didn't steal his surfboard.

Wait, what repeated Robin nut shot? This sounds incredible. Are there scans?

[Ray G.]

Wait, what repeated Robin nut shot? This sounds incredible. Are there scans?

Teen Titans #47. Basically, Robin, Jason Todd, and Nightwing went through an interrogation while trading off kicks to the crotch. It was absurd.

[jamestolliver]

Teen Titans #47. Basically, Robin, Jason Todd, and Nightwing went through an interrogation while trading off kicks to the crotch. It was absurd.

If by absurd do you mean awesome? Because that's what you just described to me.

[UltimateQuintessa]

That was the worst scene in any Non-Aquaman comic this year. Worse than the repeated Robin nut-shots.

At least he didn't steal his surfboard.

Naked Old Man Peter Parker from Spiderman Reign:no:

[jamestolliver]

Naked Old Man Peter Parker from Spiderman Reign:no:

Maybe that was creepy but I don't know about absurd. You really think it was worse? I don't know because I didn't read it.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Maybe that was creepy but I don't know about absurd. You really think it was worse? I don't know because I didn't read it.

Well I just thought it was gross. Worst thing I paged through at the comic shop next to NA 31.

Poor Luke.

[jamestolliver]

Well I just thought it was gross. Worst thing I paged through at the comic shop next to NA 31.

Poor Luke.

What didn't you like about NA 31? We don't know anything about Luke or Jessuca or the baby...it could just be a red herring.

Also, I love your sig.

[UltimateQuintessa]

What didn't you like about NA 31? We don't know anything about Luke or Jessuca or the baby...it could just be a red herring.

Also, I love your sig.

I was hoping for a normal baby that's all.

Thanks I read it in the paper and thought hey time to change up the sig.

[YouStayClassy]

I was hoping for a normal baby that's all.

Thanks I read it in the paper and thought hey time to change up the sig.

Well, it's not to stay Jess and the real baby aren't holed up in a Skrull basement somewhere.

[Foolish Mortal]

I was hoping for a normal baby that's all.

Thanks I read it in the paper and thought hey time to change up the sig.
She's the child of two superhumans. The odds of her being "normal" are fairly low.

[Hock]

She's the child of two superhumans. The odds of her being "normal" are fairly low.

I was hoping she wouldn't be used for a plot device for quite some time.

[lonesomefool]

She's the child of two superhumans. The odds of her being "normal" are fairly low.

$10 says that when she grows up she's gonna LOVE anal :)

And yes, I know I'm going to hell for that joke, but shit, as depressing as my life is lately, that would be an upgrade :)

[HomerGator]

Real Jack Kirby - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead1.jpg

Published "Jack Kirby" - http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/supermanhead2.jpg

I love how they even changed the part in his hair. That's hilarious/ridiculous.

[YouStayClassy]

I love how they even changed the part in his hair. That's hilarious/ridiculous.

Yikes. It truly is.

[Ray G.]

Heh, was good to see some activity here tonight.

Tomorrow there shall be comics! :boogie:

I look forward to Sinestro Corps, as well as to snarking on the growing trainwreck that is Amazons Attack and its tie-ins. :lol:

[Hock]

Heh, was good to see some activity here tonight.

Tomorrow there shall be comics! :boogie:

I look forward to Sinestro Corps, as well as to snarking on the growing trainwreck that is Amazons Attack and its tie-ins. :lol:

I atill have to post reviews for last week. :p

Sinestro = :thumb:

Amazons = :nonono2:

[Hock]

This image really bothers me.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/15541_45384_1.jpg

does her right eye look off to anyone else? It looks like the eye an surrounding area are still supposed to be intact, but it still seems recessed into the skull.

[Chinaski]

Heh, was good to see some activity here tonight.

Tomorrow there shall be comics! :boogie:

I look forward to Sinestro Corps, as well as to snarking on the growing trainwreck that is Amazons Attack and its tie-ins. :lol:



Why did DC even put Amazons Attack out? It makes little sense at all. Couldnt they have held that off for maybe another year or 2. The whole island of Themyscira (sp?) was "just" destroyed in IC (which now feels even more shoe-horned in, considering how quickly they have returned) If WW had had a chance to develop a new character arc and get its footing, maybe next year or maybe even at the end of this year it would have been more understandable. As it stands now, WW has only had what 8 issues of her own title before the amazons returned. Say what you will about the slap-dash way Marvel got rid of Thor and the whole Asgard thing, but at least they have been gone gone for 2-3 years now.

Unless the ending is totally knock me out of my chair spectacular I am going to have to chalk this up to yet another failure and mis-step of DC in the post-IC / OYL / 52 / "New Earth" era.

I really hope that Sinestro Corps is good. Anyone get the feeling that Johns might be getting ready to leave GL once this cross-over storyline is finished? or is it just me?

[Criden]

Why did DC even put Amazons Attack out? It makes little sense at all. Couldnt they have held that off for maybe another year or 2. The whole island of Themyscira (sp?) was "just" destroyed in IC (which now feels even more shoe-horned in, considering how quickly they have returned) If WW had had a chance to develop a new character arc and get its footing, maybe next year or maybe even at the end of this year it would have been more understandable. As it stands now, WW has only had what 8 issues of her own title before the amazons returned. Say what you will about the slap-dash way Marvel got rid of Thor and the whole Asgard thing, but at least they have been gone gone for 2-3 years now.

Unless the ending is totally knock me out of my chair spectacular I am going to have to chalk this up to yet another failure and mis-step of DC in the post-IC / OYL / 52 / "New Earth" era.

I really hope that Sinestro Corps is good. Anyone get the feeling that Johns might be getting ready to leave GL once this cross-over storyline is finished? or is it just me?

I agree with all your points about the Amazons stuff, Chinaski, but I do think the series itself has been fairly well written and drawn to this point. I'm not reading the tie-ins, though, so I don't know how those are, and again--I do think your idea about delaying the return would make much more sense.

As for Sinestro Corps, I hope it's good, too. I hadn't thought about the possibility of Johns leaving GL once this cross-over storyline is finished, but I think you might be onto something. Maybe he wants to move onto another books, and will feel like he's had a healthy run? Certainly, about 30 issues is a long run by today's standards, and I'd be intrigued to see what book he'd do next.

[Chinaski]

I agree with all your points about the Amazons stuff, Chinaski, but I do think the series itself has been fairly well written and drawn to this point. I'm not reading the tie-ins, though, so I don't know how those are, and again--I do think your idea about delaying the return would make much more sense.

As for Sinestro Corps, I hope it's good, too. I hadn't thought about the possibility of Johns leaving GL once this cross-over storyline is finished, but I think you might be onto something. Maybe he wants to move onto another books, and will feel like he's had a healthy run? Certainly, about 30 issues is a long run by today's standards, and I'd be intrigued to see what book he'd do next.



I think the art on AA has been great. Pete Woods has really been knocking it out of the park on this mini, and I hope he can get onto a book that is a little higher profile or at least one that I have more interest in once this mini is finished. Wasnt he doing the first OYL issues of Superman or Action Comics? As far as the story goes, I think it is just ok, not great but not awful. Servicable is what I would say - to be honest. I am not reading any of the tie-ins, so I cant speak about them either.

I dont know that he is, Im just guessing here, but I could understand Johns possibly leaving GL, and even see why he would want to. Counting Rebirth he will have done close to 30 issues of GL and Im sure thats enough for anyone. I wasnt all that crazy about some of the early issues, but the first 2-3 OYL issues were great. I hope that if he is leaving, he doesnt just abandon the title mid-arc like he did Teen Titans and to a certain extent the last volume of JSA.

[Criden]

I think the art on AA has been great. Pete Woods has really been knocking it out of the park on this mini, and I hope he can get onto a book that is a little higher profile or at least one that I have more interest in once this mini is finished. Wasnt he doing the first OYL issues of Superman or Action Comics? As far as the story goes, I think it is just ok, not great but not awful. Servicable is what I would say - to be honest. I am not reading any of the tie-ins, so I cant speak about them either.

I dont know that he is, Im just guessing here, but I could understand Johns possibly leaving GL, and even see why he would want to. Counting Rebirth he will have done close to 30 issues of GL and Im sure thats enough for anyone. I wasnt all that crazy about some of the early issues, but the first 2-3 OYL issues were great. I hope that if he is leaving, he doesnt just abandon the title mid-arc like he did Teen Titans and to a certain extent the last volume of JSA.

Yeah, he's doing excellent work on the book, and he did in fact do 4 OYL issues of Superman, and 4 of Action Comics. I guess the story itself is only servicable, but as a fan of Pfieffer from Catwoman--Woods used to draw that book when Pfieffer first jumped on, for the record--I think the writing itself is at least as good as most mainstream DC books.

I agree with all of the points you're making about GL, about which issues of it were good and which weren't as hot, and about Johns abandoning books. I'd forgotten he'd sort of done so with JSA, too, and the recent Teen Titans creative team change stuff has been somewhat of a mess. The whole universe lately seems like such a mess. The JLA/JSA crossover came way too early in both books' runs....

[SteveZegers]

Heh, was good to see some activity here tonight.

Tomorrow there shall be comics! :boogie:

I look forward to Sinestro Corps, as well as to snarking on the growing trainwreck that is Amazons Attack and its tie-ins. :lol:

I like Amazons Attack, and I'm always right. (It's a fact, I have proof)

[SteveZegers]

This image really bothers me.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/15541_45384_1.jpg

does her right eye look off to anyone else? It looks like the eye an surrounding area are still supposed to be intact, but it still seems recessed into the skull.

I'm so sick of these zombies. Isn't this thing played out yet, or are they just going to go full throttle into the ground until everyone hates it?

[Hock]

I'm so sick of these zombies. Isn't this thing played out yet, or are they just going to go full throttle into the ground until everyone hates it?

Yes.

[SteveZegers]

Yes.

That's what I figured. Oh when will they learn to listen to me?

[Foggy's Pal]

That's what I figured. Oh when will they learn to listen to me?

Yes, remember, you are always right.

[Hock]

That's what I figured. Oh when will they learn to listen to me?

Never. It's popular now and they are going to take advantae of that, because if Marvel doesn't, some other company would.

[Foggy's Pal]

Never. It's popular now and they are going to take advantae of that, because if Marvel doesn't, some other company would.

Sadly, it's always about the money.

[Hock]

Sadly, it's always about the money.

Well, it is a business.

[Foggy's Pal]

Well, it is a business.

I know, but sometimes I wish the biggies would just go against the grain. For instance, realize that Antman is a quality book and continue because you are proud of it. I know it doesn't work that way, but hey, a guy can hope.

[Ray G.]

1. That picture really makes me sick. Is there nothing Marvel won't pervert? That's worse than the fucking tentacle-rape cover. :nonono2:

2. Sorry, Steve. Amazons Attack may have a fun concept, but what's there to like? Hippolyta goes nuts and starts killing small children, and Supergirl and Wonder Girl apparently join her for no good reason!

3. If Johns leaves GL, I'll start to be seriously worried that he's about to jump ship all together. I've been worried about it since I found out how Didio fucked him over with TT.

[Foggy's Pal]

1. That picture really makes me sick. Is there nothing Marvel won't pervert? That's worse than the fucking tentacle-rape cover. :nonono2:

2. Sorry, Steve. Amazons Attack may have a fun concept, but what's there to like? Hippolyta goes nuts and starts killing small children, and Supergirl and Wonder Girl apparently join her for no good reason!

3. If Johns leaves GL, I'll start to be seriously worried that he's about to jump ship all together. I've been worried about it since I found out how Didio fucked him over with TT.

Johns has said that he loves Hal Jordan. If he leaves that book, you are probably right- he would be on his way out. We usually hear these things a few months out; anyone hear anything concrete?

[Ray G.]

Johns has said that he loves Hal Jordan. If he leaves that book, you are probably right- he would be on his way out. We usually hear these things a few months out; anyone hear anything concrete?

Nope, just a gut feeling by Chinaski. The war storyline is sort of similar to the Titans East story that Johns left TT in the middle of, but that was a special case. He didn't want to be writing TT anymore, and I don't get that feeling with GL. He really seems to be putting his best into the book, same as JSA. And he is launching Booster Gold now.

Plus, his Marvel work has been iffy at best.

[Foggy's Pal]

Nope, just a gut feeling by Chinaski. The war storyline is sort of similar to the Titans East story that Johns left TT in the middle of, but that was a special case. He didn't want to be writing TT anymore, and I don't get that feeling with GL. He really seems to be putting his best into the book, same as JSA. And he is launching Booster Gold now.

Plus, his Marvel work has been iffy at best.

JSA and GL are excellent- he can't leave. I am terribly excited for Booster.
I think DC is righting their ship now; I can't help but think he is part of that. I would hate to see him go.

[Hock]

Yeah these reviews are a little late, so what? sue me.

Flash #13 - :thumb:

A horrible, editorially mandated story, well executed by the people forced to produce it. Bart really steps up in this issue, shows what a great character he is and shows that he’s more then deserving of carrying the Flash Mantle, and the…. Guggenheim finally got a good handle on the rogues this issue, I thought they were a bit wanting in previous issues.
He’s a Flash, and a time traveler, he’ll be back, though honestly he probably shouldn’t be.
Justice Leauge #10 - :thumb:

Well, the Lightning Saga is over, and I liked it. I’m still a little perturbed over the choice of which Legion they used in the crossover, just confuses the continuity even more. The only good part about using the outdated Legion continuity is that you get to see Superman interact with them, which is pretty cool. As the last issue, with lots of stuff tying up there aren’t too many character moments, which is a shame because that’s what Meltzer writes best.
But Wally’s back. Yeah Fuckers. :rock: It seriously helps out this series that it brought Wally, Linda, and the twins home. Sure Bart’s dead, but we got an even better Flash out of it. He joined the legion awfully quick, but whatever. And yeah, there’s some mystery with the Legion in the future having trapped someone in a lightning rod, I know Ray thinks it’s a flash, but I think that’s wishful thinking on his part, it’s indistinguishable.
Brave and the Bold #4 - :nonono2:

This issue didn’t really work for me. Nothing really wrong with it on the surface, it was just…. Wanting.

Robin #163 - :nonono2:
A bad issue, seriously, and since it’s a one shot there’s really no reason to buy it. Cheesy, crappy, father’s day issue.

Checkmate #15 - :nonono2:

I only bought this issue because I thought the craptacular Checkout was over. I was so sad. I’m really glad I’ve been skipping out on this crossover, it’s pretty bad.

Shadowpact #14 - :nonono2:
I really didn’t like this issue, and I find myself unable to really say why. Something just bothered me about it. It’s definitely sub par work for Willingham here, and this is two crappy Pact issues in a row. I think mostly my problem is Zauriel, who I don’t like much as a character and don’t think was too well written here. I like the idea of what’s going on with Blue Devil, but the execution leaves something to be desired.

[morlock with a day pass]

I'm so sick of these zombies. Isn't this thing played out yet, or are they just going to go full throttle into the ground until everyone hates it?

agreed. enough with zombies, pirates and penguins already. and i've always thought DC needs to relaunch wonder woman altogether without any ties to amazons or greek myth.

[Foggy's Pal]

Flash #13 -

A horrible, editorially mandated story, well executed by the people forced to produce it. Bart really steps up in this issue, shows what a great character he is and shows that he’s more then deserving of carrying the Flash Mantle, and the…. Guggenheim finally got a good handle on the rogues this issue, I thought they were a bit wanting in previous issues.

Totally agree. This was my first Flash issue of this run; I was pleasanty suprised with how good the art looked. I was impressed.

[morlock with a day pass]

Yeah these reviews are a little late, so what? sue me.

Flash #13 - :thumb:

A horrible, editorially mandated story, well executed by the people forced to produce it. Bart really steps up in this issue, shows what a great character he is and shows that he’s more then deserving of carrying the Flash Mantle, and the…. Guggenheim finally got a good handle on the rogues this issue, I thought they were a bit wanting in previous issues.
He’s a Flash, and a time traveler, he’ll be back, though honestly he probably shouldn’t be.
Justice Leauge #10 - :thumb:

Well, the Lightning Saga is over, and I liked it. I’m still a little perturbed over the choice of which Legion they used in the crossover, just confuses the continuity even more. The only good part about using the outdated Legion continuity is that you get to see Superman interact with them, which is pretty cool. As the last issue, with lots of stuff tying up there aren’t too many character moments, which is a shame because that’s what Meltzer writes best.
But Wally’s back. Yeah Fuckers. :rock: It seriously helps out this series that it brought Wally, Linda, and the twins home. Sure Bart’s dead, but we got an even better Flash out of it. He joined the legion awfully quick, but whatever. And yeah, there’s some mystery with the Legion in the future having trapped someone in a lightning rod, I know Ray thinks it’s a flash, but I think that’s wishful thinking on his part, it’s indistinguishable.
Brave and the Bold #4 - :nonono2:

This issue didn’t really work for me. Nothing really wrong with it on the surface, it was just…. Wanting.

Robin #163 - :nonono2:
A bad issue, seriously, and since it’s a one shot there’s really no reason to buy it. Cheesy, crappy, father’s day issue.

Checkmate #15 - :nonono2:

I only bought this issue because I thought the craptacular Checkout was over. I was so sad. I’m really glad I’ve been skipping out on this crossover, it’s pretty bad.

Shadowpact #14 - :nonono2:
I really didn’t like this issue, and I find myself unable to really say why. Something just bothered me about it. It’s definitely sub par work for Willingham here, and this is two crappy Pact issues in a row. I think mostly my problem is Zauriel, who I don’t like much as a character and don’t think was too well written here. I like the idea of what’s going on with Blue Devil, but the execution leaves something to be desired.

you think there's anything sinister at all going on with karate kid?

[Hock]

you think there's anything sinister at all going on with karate kid?

I wouldn't say sinister, I waould say... questionable.

[Ray G.]

I wouldn't say sinister, I waould say... questionable.

Agreed.

It's definitely a Flash in the lightning rod, though. Come on, the face was all red, and you could even make out the slight head-wings at the side if you looked for them. The only question is, was it Barry or Bart? Didio probably intended it to be Barry, but Didio won't be around forever.

[SteveZegers]

Agreed.

It's definitely a Flash in the lightning rod, though. Come on, the face was all red, and you could even make out the slight head-wings at the side if you looked for them. The only question is, was it Barry or Bart? Didio probably intended it to be Barry, but Didio won't be around forever.

They need Barry to save the future and that's awesome.

And I like the Amazon thing because it's fun (Small, not the major commitment most of these cross-overs have been) and has some super-nice art.

[lonesomefool]

I just LOVED the unannounced crossover between The Flash and JLA #10. Seriously, how in the hell did no one at DC not even MENTION that?

[Ray G.]

They need Bart to save the future and that's awesome.

And I like the Amazon thing because it's fun (Small, not the major commitment most of these cross-overs have been) and has some super-nice art.

FIXED! :mad:

And I will say I like the two tie-ins a month structure and the art of AA. I just think the plot is sorely lacking.

[Ray G.]

I just LOVED the unannounced crossover between The Flash and JLA #10. Seriously, how in the hell did no one at DC not even MENTION that?

I read both, and there really wasn't a crossover. If you were following one or another, you got the full story there. Now, however, you do need to have read both to pick up the new Flash book, I guess.

[SteveZegers]

FIXED! :mad:

And I will say I like the two tie-ins a month structure and the art of AA. I just think the plot is sorely lacking.

Barry is so much cooler than Bart. So much!

[SteveZegers]

I read both, and there really wasn't a crossover. If you were following one or another, you got the full story there. Now, however, you do need to have read both to pick up the new Flash book, I guess.

Yeah. No crossover at all.

[Chinaski]

Yeah, he's doing excellent work on the book, and he did in fact do 4 OYL issues of Superman, and 4 of Action Comics. I guess the story itself is only servicable, but as a fan of Pfieffer from Catwoman--Woods used to draw that book when Pfieffer first jumped on, for the record--I think the writing itself is at least as good as most mainstream DC books.

I agree with all of the points you're making about GL, about which issues of it were good and which weren't as hot, and about Johns abandoning books. I'd forgotten he'd sort of done so with JSA, too, and the recent Teen Titans creative team change stuff has been somewhat of a mess. The whole universe lately seems like such a mess. The JLA/JSA crossover came way too early in both books' runs....


Agreed on the JLA/JSA crossover being way too soon, but I am kind of liking it - which is saying something because I have never really followed the LoSH and no little to nothing about some of their members that keep popping up here. Its too bad that it had to be forced in so early in the JSA run so Meltzer could fulfill his fantasy of writing a JLA/JSA/Legion storyline (because that has to be why this was done so soon after IC/52/OYL etc.)

I forgot Pfieffer wrote Catwoman prior to IC with Woods on art, that was a real good book at the time, but something didnt really click for me with the OYL jump. It was ok, but it wasnt as good as before. Is Woods able to do a regular book, or is he more of a special projects kind of guy? Id love to see more of his work around the DCU. Maybe he could be the new artist for Nightwing when they get a new writer after Wolfmans run is over.



1. That picture really makes me sick. Is there nothing Marvel won't pervert? That's worse than the fucking tentacle-rape cover. :nonono2:

2. Sorry, Steve. Amazons Attack may have a fun concept, but what's there to like? Hippolyta goes nuts and starts killing small children, and Supergirl and Wonder Girl apparently join her for no good reason!

3. If Johns leaves GL, I'll start to be seriously worried that he's about to jump ship all together. I've been worried about it since I found out how Didio fucked him over with TT.


I admit that I gave up on WW around the same time that Heinberg did, so I dont know the lead in to AA, but how is Hippolyta still alive, and why is she killing kids? I read the first issue and was really confused as to why. It was great the DC editorial gave us footnotes as to which issues to go check out (hey Marvel, maybe you could do the same with some of your storylines, it aint that difficult) I only read issue 1 and it didnt floor me, except for the art, so maybe I will read the trade at Borders when it comes out. Or if I find it in a cut out bin.

I never heard about Didio screwing Johns over on TT, whats the story behind that?



Nope, just a gut feeling by Chinaski. The war storyline is sort of similar to the Titans East story that Johns left TT in the middle of, but that was a special case. He didn't want to be writing TT anymore, and I don't get that feeling with GL. He really seems to be putting his best into the book, same as JSA. And he is launching Booster Gold now.

Plus, his Marvel work has been iffy at best.


The similarities in the story arcs are really what is giving me that feeling, its really just a gut thing, but it would not suprise me. I hope he leaves it a little more gracefully than some of his other exits.

Johns' work on Avengers was some of the best Avengers stories since Avengers Forever, as far as Im concerned. And I dont think the title has been anywhere near as good since he left. If you want to talk about editorial interference with his work on a title, I read somewhere that Jemas rejected a Johns script because "too much happened" in the issue. According to the story Johns got the script back, cut it into 3 or 4 issues and padded the rest out, script accepted.

Why would Dan Didio try and mess with the golden boy of DC. Geoff Johns is, for my money, the best writer at DC today. He has reverence for all the worlds and ages of the DCU but is not slavishly devoted or enamored with it that it cripples his stories (*cough Mark Waid * cough) If there was 1 writer that I thought DC could not possibly do without it is Geoff Johns. While Im not crazy with how he left the last JSA book, and what happend with Flash after he left is a crime and more recently TT, he really knows what it takes to tell a great DCU story. Didio needs his head examined if he thinks he can tell a better story then Johns.

[Foggy's Pal]

Speaking of AA, in Countdown, we get mostly a headline..."Amazons are attacking" We don't really get into that story. Is that how the rest of the DC will be handled. Countdown will be like an advertisement to what's going on in the other books. If so, I think that works better than trying to tackle all of these other events in the one CD book. However, that also means that the big players won't be in it as much..... thoughts?

[Foolish Mortal]

I'm so sick of these zombies. Isn't this thing played out yet, or are they just going to go full throttle into the ground until everyone hates it?
As long as it continues to sell...

[Ray G.]

I admit that I gave up on WW around the same time that Heinberg did, so I dont know the lead in to AA, but how is Hippolyta still alive, and why is she killing kids? I read the first issue and was really confused as to why. It was great the DC editorial gave us footnotes as to which issues to go check out (hey Marvel, maybe you could do the same with some of your storylines, it aint that difficult) I only read issue 1 and it didnt floor me, except for the art, so maybe I will read the trade at Borders when it comes out. Or if I find it in a cut out bin.

Basically, Hippolyta was brought back from the dead by Circe, and she wants revenge for her daughter being treated shabbily by man's world over the Max Lord fiasco. It was believed at first that Circe was controlling her, but then Hippolyta killed Circe and proved that it really was her and she really was evil.


I never heard about Didio screwing Johns over on TT, whats the story behind that?

The similarities in the story arcs are really what is giving me that feeling, its really just a gut thing, but it would not suprise me. I hope he leaves it a little more gracefully than some of his other exits.

Why would Dan Didio try and mess with the golden boy of DC. Geoff Johns is, for my money, the best writer at DC today. He has reverence for all the worlds and ages of the DCU but is not slavishly devoted or enamored with it that it cripples his stories (*cough Mark Waid * cough) If there was 1 writer that I thought DC could not possibly do without it is Geoff Johns. While Im not crazy with how he left the last JSA book, and what happend with Flash after he left is a crime and more recently TT, he really knows what it takes to tell a great DCU story. Didio needs his head examined if he thinks he can tell a better story then Johns.

Basically, Didio laid out an editorial mandate that Nightwing and Superboy were to die in Infinite Crisis, and Bart had to be aged to become the new Flash. Johns was against all of this. He felt Nightwing was too big to die, and he had long-term plans in Titans for Superboy and Kid Flash. He fought long and hard, and Levitz eventually stepped in about Nightwing, but Johns held fast on eliminating Johns' two favorite characters from TT. Johns had to scramble to put together a new cast for TT, and it shows in his writing in the OYL issues that he wasn't really into it. Now, after it turns out that Kid Flash was only taken for an elaborate year-long "punk'd" routine, and was never actually intended to be the permanent new Flash, I can see Johns being even angrier that his two favorite characters from the book he built are both dead by editorial mandate.

[lonesomefool]

Yeah. No crossover at all.

I just thought it was lame they didnt say, "hey, Flash fans, check out JLA #10" at least. Sure, you got the complete story in both books, but if you were only reading Flash and didnt know about the JLA thing, you would probably feel lost come All-Flash #1 (worst. title. ever.)

[Foggy's Pal]

I just thought it was lame they didnt say, "hey, Flash fans, check out JLA #10" at least. Sure, you got the complete story in both books, but if you were only reading Flash and didnt know about the JLA thing, you would probably feel lost come All-Flash #1 (worst. title. ever.)

Bad title, but it's gonna be a great book. *crosses fingers*

[lonesomefool]

Basically, Didio laid out an editorial mandate that Nightwing and Superboy were to die in Infinite Crisis, and Bart had to be aged to become the new Flash. Johns was against all of this. He felt Nightwing was too big to die, and he had long-term plans in Titans for Superboy and Kid Flash. He fought long and hard, and Levitz eventually stepped in about Nightwing, but Johns held fast on eliminating Johns' two favorite characters from TT. Johns had to scramble to put together a new cast for TT, and it shows in his writing in the OYL issues that he wasn't really into it. Now, after it turns out that Kid Flash was only taken for an elaborate year-long "punk'd" routine, and was never actually intended to be the permanent new Flash, I can see Johns being even angrier that his two favorite characters from the book he built are both dead by editorial mandate.

I hope more DC books become editorially mandated. Seriously, that's what made super hero comics in the 90's so great :-?

[Foolish Mortal]

Basically, Hippolyta was brought back from the dead by Circe, and she wants revenge for her daughter being treated shabbily by man's world over the Max Lord fiasco. It was believed at first that Circe was controlling her, but then Hippolyta killed Circe and proved that it really was her and she really was evil.
Well basically the Amazons are acting like the real Amazons of mythology who were not politically correct in the least.

Killing men and yes even boys or baby boys were their way.

[lonesomefool]

Bad title, but it's gonna be a great book. *crosses fingers*

That cover by Sienkiewicz is horrible. Sorry, but I just dont see the appeal of that guy. I think the main title should be good, I just hope Waid still has something new and fresh to say about The Flash and that Acuna can keep a somewhat decent schedule.

[Ray G.]

Well basically the Amazons are acting like the real Amazons of mythology who were not politically correct in the least.

Killing men and yes even boys or baby boys were their way.

Except they slaughtered a female fighter pilot too. :?