Ray's Official DCU Megathread the 3rd: Countdown Edition - Now on Earth-OOMPH!

[Matt O'Keefe]

I've pretty much vowed not to talk about that with Glenn. We each have our own opinions, and it's best not to even discuss it.

Yup, I came to realize that too.

[Hock]

I looooooove Morrison's Animal Man. Damn.

It's a great book.

[John Drake]

It's a great book.

It gets better by the issue.

Even that crossover thingy issue was cool.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Goodnight guys.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Only 3 or 4 volumes, right? There are so many books I need to get caught up on. Once I finish YTLM I'm diving into Ex Machina so I can read it monthly soon.

3, I believe.

[DeluxeVoltron]

how early is too early to discuss spoilers from countdown 49?

[Hock]

how early is too early to discuss spoilers from countdown 49?

for Ray, never.

I would say go ahead, just clearly mark and hide them so people can't get in a tizzy.

[DeluxeVoltron]

Countdown 49 spoilers! (5-23)

has somebody been slipping somebody some gingold?

who do you think they came back to find?

what do you think the word he seems to finally have discovered was?

god i love watching him tear people apart

they wont make too much sense unless youve read it.

the dcnation this week talks about some 52 aftermath books that may interest fans of the series. theyll feature characters from 52 and have some bangup teams. i cant remember all the details so ill just wait for dcnation to update the column on their site : http://www.dccomics.com/news/?cat=5877

[Blandy vs Terrorism]

So what's going on in comics these days? No, really.

[The Doctor]

I can't believe they didn't include "The Kiss" by DeMatteis/Romita in the hardcover. Beautiful little story.
That was in the back of the Mysterio arc I'm talking about.

I've pretty much vowed not to talk about that with Glenn. We each have our own opinions, and it's best not to even discuss it.


Yup, I came to realize that too.
You're making me sound very unreasonable.

So what's going on in comics these days? No, really.
Batman an Superman both have sons now.

[SteveZegers]

I looooooove Morrison's Animal Man. Damn.

Yeah. Great stuff.

[Hock]

You're making me sound very unreasonable.

That wasn't my attention and not how I meant it. As much as you won't change your opinion, I won't change mine either. As far as I'm concerned it was discussed, we both gave our reasons for liking and not liking, and there's no reason to bring them up again.

[Deej]

Deej gon' quote you. :D

Of course. And now Matt goes on the ignore list for a day or so!

[Deej]

how early is too early to discuss spoilers from countdown 49?

As long as you clearly mark them as spoilers. You can discuss in general...like "Writing was good...or this issue sucked" out in the open and give your rating...but don't be spoiling anything in the open!! :-x

[SteveZegers]

As long as you clearly mark them as spoilers. You can discuss in general...like "Writing was good...or this issue sucked" out in the open and give your rating...but don't be spoiling anything in the open!! :-x

What he said! :-x

[Deej]

What he said! :-x

Form of a Spoiler Box!

http://www.thegogame.com/brownie/signup/gamedayphoto/Wonder%20Twins.jpg

[SteveZegers]

Form of a Spoiler Box!

http://www.thegogame.com/brownie/signup/gamedayphoto/Wonder%20Twins.jpg

Wouldn't it be an "Ice Spolier Box" ?

[Deej]

Wouldn't it be an "Ice Spolier Box" ?

If you must insist!!

Thanks for the correction...Gleek!

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/photos/examination_room/gleek.jpg

[SteveZegers]

If you must insist!!

Thanks for the correction...Gleek!

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/photos/examination_room/gleek.jpg

I wish!

[The Doctor]

That wasn't my attention and not how I meant it. As much as you won't change your opinion, I won't change mine either. As far as I'm concerned it was discussed, we both gave our reasons for liking and not liking, and there's no reason to bring them up again.
My apolagies:)

[Deej]

My apolagies:)

Group Hug???? Except for Matt - anyone who uses more than 2 spoiler tags is a cock! At least for a day or so...

[The Doctor]

Group Hug???? Except for Matt - anyone who uses more than 2 spoiler tags is a cock! At least for a day or so...

Just a simple misunderstanding no need for hugs.

[SteveZegers]

I'd like a hug.

[Deej]

I'd like a hug.

I think a hug would be the bees knees!

[SteveZegers]

I think a hug would be the bees knees!

A snazzy, corking-good time. That's for sure.

[Deej]

A snazzy, corking-good time. That's for sure.

What ever happened to Ray's message "Off to get my comics! :rock: (suck on it my bastard drones who couldn't create your own awesome DC thread even if i laid out all the necessary steps :twisted:)" ???

By the way...everything in the parentheses is what he actually writes, it's just very miniscule and transparent - but I have decoded it and laid bare for all to see!!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

You're making me sound very unreasonable.


Which is odd considering I find you to be one of the more reasonable people on this board...

[Deej]

Which is odd considering I find you to be one of the more reasonable people on this board...

suckass!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

This thread is weird in the mornings... :mistrust:

[SteveZegers]

What ever happened to Ray's message "Off to get my comics! :rock: (suck on it my bastard drones who couldn't create your own awesome DC thread even if i laid out all the necessary steps :twisted:)" ???

By the way...everything in the parentheses is what he actually writes, it's just very miniscule and transparent - but I have decoded it and laid bare for all to see!!

Have we heard from Ray today? Maybe he was in an accident! Everyone drop what you're doing! We have to do a drag net of the entire tri-state area!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Have we heard from Ray today? Maybe he was in an accident! Everyone drop what you're doing! We have to do a drag net of the entire tri-state area!

http://www.buyersmls.com/americantv/wacky/andy/dragnet.jpg?

[Deej]

This thread is weird in the mornings... :mistrust:

:lol:

and what happens during the wee hours when Baird is on...?

[SteveZegers]

This thread is weird in the mornings... :mistrust:

I'm sorry. I could talk about Spider-Man for 4 pages. Would that be better?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:lol:

and what happens during the wee hours when Baird is on...?

Hey, I understand the wee hours...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm sorry. I could talk about Spider-Man for 4 pages. Would that be better?

No. I just said it was weird. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. ;-)

[Deej]

No. I just said it was weird. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. ;-)

You're really sending us mixed signals! :crazy:

[SteveZegers]

You're really sending us mixed signals! :crazy:

No he isn't! Wait maybe he is? Agh!:scared:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

You're really sending us mixed signals! :crazy:


No he isn't! Wait maybe he is? Agh!:scared:

Bwahahahahaha

[The Doctor]

Which is odd considering I find you to be one of the more reasonable people on this board...
Meh I was mostly messing:)

Have we heard from Ray today? Maybe he was in an accident! Everyone drop what you're doing! We have to do a drag net of the entire tri-state area!

I have a secret to confess.

*pulls off mask*

I am Ray!

[SteveZegers]

Meh I was mostly messing:)


I have a secret to confess.

*pulls off mask*

I am Ray!

I knew it!

[The Doctor]

I knew it!

You lie!

I mean...I love Supergirl!

[SteveZegers]

You lie!

I mean...I love Supergirl!

Hmmmm. Ray would have said Kara. What's going on here?!

[The Doctor]

Hmmmm. Ray would have said Kara. What's going on here?!

She likes it when I call her Supergirl.


Suddenly I feel very wrong.

[SteveZegers]

She likes it when I call her Supergirl.


Suddenly I feel very wrong.

You went too far. Go take a shower.

[The Doctor]

You went too far. Go take a shower.

Now I know how Ray feels all the time.

[SteveZegers]

Now I know how Ray feels all the time.

It must be like a constant state of withdrawal from just about everything.

[Deej]

I knew it!

I'm actually surprised!!

[SteveZegers]

I'm actually surprised!!

That sounds like something The Doctor would say. Hmmmmmm.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

*head explodes*

[Deej]

*head explodes*

Easter Eggs!! Woohooo!

[Deej]

Has this Countdown article been posted before?

DARKSEID RULES: IN-DEPTH WITH PAUL DINI AND "COUNTDOWN"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10628

[Vonn Hennigar]

Retro Review Part Deux - Batman #659-662 by John Ostrander & Tom Mandrake

:Poo: What a steaming pile. Blegh i can't even bother wasting time to mock this mess. The horrible Phantom Of The Opera/Hunchback ripoff villain. Johnny Karoake??? Shameful mess of a comic that should have stayed in the editors drawer where it no doubt festered for years.

2/10


Batman # 663-665 by Grant Morrison & John Van Fleet and Andy Kubert.

Well that was uh interesting.

Batman # 663 to it's credit actually does have a good story. Joker gets Harley Quinn to go around and kill his old henchman from the loser clown gang to those lil midgets from The Killing Joke. He then attempts to escape from Arkham with Harley's help but he's gone so over the deep end he trys to kill Harley too enter Batman! to stop him and kick his ass.

Pretty good story too bad it's depicted in such a terrible way. Horrible prose that goes on and on and on and oh fuck punch me in the balls to distract me from this pain, all topped off by "Artwork" that looks like something a 12 year old cooked up with some pirated computer imaging software from Belarus.

Doesn't help that the Joker's bold new look is already forgotten about a whopping 2 months later and were back to Krusty The Clown Joker again.

Ah well.

3/10. Take the basic plot and write a you know COMIC BOOK and you've got a pretty kick-ass 2 or even 3 parter.

As for the next 2 parts #664-665 more of the same fluffy stuff from Morrison and Kubert. Bruce's "relationship" with this super-model whore is laughably forced and this whole 3 Demons haunting Bruce plot doesn't interest me in the slightest. Still Andy Kubert does another bang-up job but the scenes with Batman being helped by the whores of Gotham are so similar to Sin City i think someone needs to give Frankie Miller another royalty cheque. I half expected to see Dwight and Gail hanging out in the background in a few scenes.

All will be forgiven if this leads to Ra's Al Ghuls resurrection already though. Come on just get it over with and stop boring me with Talia Al Tits and her lil shitty brat. I want to see Ra's rise from a Lazarus Pit and impale these 2 weaklings as soon as possible.

6/10 for 664-665.

[Ray G.]

I have returned, with comics!

Finally! Countdown really hit on all cylinders this week. I loved it. Now, I'm sure I'll read the thread and find three negative reviews. :lol:

[Ray G.]

What ever happened to Ray's message "Off to get my comics! :rock: (suck on it my bastard drones who couldn't create your own awesome DC thread even if i laid out all the necessary steps :twisted:)" ???

By the way...everything in the parentheses is what he actually writes, it's just very miniscule and transparent - but I have decoded it and laid bare for all to see!!

I forgot to leave the message. I was off to get my comics! :boogie:

And damn you for deciphering my code! :mad:

[Ray G.]

Has this Countdown article been posted before?

DARKSEID RULES: IN-DEPTH WITH PAUL DINI AND "COUNTDOWN"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10628

Don't believe I read that! Thanks, Deej!

[Foggy's Pal]

I have returned, with comics!

Finally! Countdown really hit on all cylinders this week. I loved it. Now, I'm sure I'll read the thread and find three negative reviews. :lol:

I will suprise you then with a positive review, and I didn't particularly like last weeks. This week was solid- escpecially the rogues, great double crosses. Mary Marvel was cool but what was with Black Adam? I'm sure it will be answered next time. This issues really moved forward! And, I liked the history of the multiverse told in context of a story- an improvement over 52 in that regard.

[Ray G.]

I'm about to start reviews, but did anyone read DC Nation today? A big new project was confirmed!

Greg Rucka will be writing a new book called "Crime Bible", starring The Question!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm about to start reviews, but did anyone read DC Nation today? A big new project was confirmed!

Greg Rucka will be writing a new book called "Crime Bible", starring The Question!

:rock:
:boogie:

I am so happy right now. This has just made my day.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Has this Countdown article been posted before?

DARKSEID RULES: IN-DEPTH WITH PAUL DINI AND "COUNTDOWN"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10628


Don't believe I read that! Thanks, Deej!

I posted that pages ago, why didn't anyone respond to me?:(





I'm about to start reviews, but did anyone read DC Nation today? A big new project was confirmed!

Greg Rucka will be writing a new book called "Crime Bible", starring The Question!

Awsome. And I don't think you have to hide that.

[Matt O'Keefe]

THE QUESTION VOL. 1 TP
Writer: Dennis O'Neil
Artists: Denys Cowan & Rick Magyar
Collects: THE QUESTION #1-6
$19.99 U.S., 176 pages

Comes out in October:rock:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Comes out in October:rock:

Sweetness.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Sweetness.

That was actually a comic that I was just going to pirate because DC was too stupid to make a trade, but I can wait for this. The only comic I'll have to download online is Miracleman, because of the legal arguments.

[Gavin]

That was actually a comic that I was just going to pirate because DC was too stupid to make a trade, but I can wait for this. The only comic I'll have to download online is Miracleman, because of the legal arguments.

I bought the entire Miracleman run on eBay, and it was worth every penny.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I bought the entire Miracleman run on eBay, and it was worth every penny.

I should really try to track those down.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I bought the entire Miracleman run on eBay, and it was worth every penny.

Well, I don't feel guilty downloading them just because I'm not taking any money away from the creators and I'd get a trade if I could.

[Gavin]

Well, I don't feel guilty downloading them just because I'm not taking any money away from the creators and I'd get a trade if I could.

I know what you mean, but I don't regret buying them.

[Ray G.]

DC Universe Reviews:

I think moving to DC may have been the best thing ever to happen to Tony Bedard, because surprisingly, his first issue of Countdown is by far the best of the run so far, as all our main stories get moving in a big way. We open with a surreal headscratcher of a scene picking up from last issue as Jimmy Olsen comes under attack by Killer Croc. Killer Croc tries to tear Jimmy's head off....and instead succeeds at turning Jimmy into living taffy. Has Jimmy been slipping Gingold? Is this the return of Elastic Lad? Jimmy's just as confused as we are. We then move on to the Monitors, as the 52(one for each universe) judge the rogue monitor who killed Joker's Daughter. He insists that a proactive approach of hunting is the only way to eliminate the temporal anomalies, and pinpoints Jason Todd, Donna Troy, and Kyle Rayner as his first three targets. A useless segment between Red Arrow and Karate Kid follows. Things pick up from there, though, as Trickster, Piper, and Mirror Master brainwash, rob, and apparently kill a crooked old businessman. The high stakes game of brinksmanship between Piper and Trickster is a ton of fun to watch, and it's great to see these two straddle the line between good and evil. The best and most talked-about segment of the issue, no doubt, will come at the end, however. Mary Marvel, powerless, is chased by muggers and takes refuge in what I assume is an abandoned mosque. The place is filled with corpses, which are soon joined by her attackers. The place is guarded by a vicious sentry - who turns out to be a still powerless but no less enraged Black Adam. And so Mary's quest to regain her powers may have found an unlikely ally. Now, the start of History of the Multiverse is death warmed over, so I had to deduct a point. But a kick-ass issue all around.

This is by far the best issue of Picoult's run on the title, but I have to ask, what the fuck is DC thinking? This isn't a tie-in with Amazons Attack, this is a hard crossover! The action picks up from AA #1, continues with major developments, and will pick up again in AA #2! There was really no warning of this, and a lot of people are going to be angry, I believe. I wonder if the TT, Supergirl, and Catwoman tie-ins will work like this too. Anyway, the bulk of this issue is a rather tense three-way confrontation between Diana, Hippolyta, and Circe. The identity of the evil Sarge Steel impostor is revealed(It's Everyman, natch), and the good Sarge Steel impostor, Nemesis, takes his place to search for the real Sarge Steel. Head hurts. There are some interesting scenes in the main confrontation, though, as it seems to confirm that Circe is not controlling Hippolyta. Indeed, when Circe's plan to destroy Themysrica as a result of this war, Hippolyta runs her through, killing her! This seems to set up Hippolyta as the undisputed villain of this piece, and I don't know how I feel about that. Next issue of AA should determine that a lot more, but I can't imagine a lot of people are going to be pleased with this. That being said, this is only the conclusion of a fill-in run on the book, so we'll see how it plays in the main event.

I was worried after last issue's fill-in that this fantastic run wouldn't get a satisfactory conclusion. Well, I was wrong, as Mark Waid and Barry Kitson return to bring to a perfect conclusion the Legion's epic war with the dominators. After last issue's victory, the endgame of Cosmic Boy and Brainiac 5 is revealed - a massive bomb set to blow up the core of the Dominator's homeworld. There's much dissent among the team as to whether they can go this far, but the bomb IS going to go off. Brainiac made sure of that. And someone will have to fly it into the core - and they won't be coming back. Mon-El is chosen, as he's already likely dying from lead poisoning. His farewell to the team is a perfect scene that shows exactly why this book is so great. But what's even better is the twist that follows - it wasn't a bomb. The device was actually a phantom zone projector that beamed Mon-El and the entire planet out of our reality, safely contained. The run ends with a Legion election for leader(already revealed in the solicits to be Shadow Lass, thus notching another point for political correctness) and a mysterious future for Cosmic Boy. The future of the Legion is up in the air, but nothing can take away from what's clearly been one of the best runs.

Easily the weakest issue of the entire run. I love Beechen's take on Tim Drake, but he just created a loser of a storyline here, and no amount of good dialogue can save this mess about evil corporations, masked mercenaries, and decomposing heroic gang members in love. The good art and the decent anecdote of the history of the Lords of the Avenues don't do much to save this issue, although they do make it a bit more tolerable. Way too much of this issue is devoted to Robin fighting useless mercenaries alongside a pair of dying mutated gang members, and that's just not a good comic. There's an amusing scene involving Killa Nilla and his charge, but the comic doesn't really pick up until Tim confronts the evil head of Strader Corp. The boss is about to get away with his scheme - until a bullet ends him for good, courtesy of Cassandra Cain. Based on her "You're welcome, Tim", I'm guessing she's in post-Titans East semi-heroic mode. The last few scenes with Tim and Alfred are pretty good, but overall, this is just way too thin a plot and way too gory and ugly to make for a very good Robin comic. Next issue's stand-alone "Father's Day" tale promises to be better.

Ah, Gail. Only Gail could pack this much hilarity and quirkiness into what amounts to a pretty straight hero vs. villain team fight issue. The plot here is deceptively simple - Birds of Prey and Secret Six throw the fuck down while Ice's life hangs in the balance. But it's what happens in between that makes this issue so brilliant. There are just so many great scenes here, from Catman and Huntress' playful banter, to the standoff between Spy Smasher and Deadshot, to the perpetually bizarre Ragdoll, and of course, Misfit. God, I love Misfit. She sort of reminds me of Squirrel Girl in some way, and watching her and Harley throw down is a thing of beauty. Misfit coming out of nowhere and screaming "Dark Vengeance!" and kicking Harley in the face is a thing of beauty. Creote's...method for waking up Ice is also pretty funny, and we're left with one hell of a cliffhanger as she wakes up, seriously pissed off and more powerful than she's ever been. Ice is back. Let's hope it's the Ice we knew. All I know is, Gail's unique vibe on this title will sorely be missed. And please, Sean, keep Misfit around!

One of the weakest issues so far, in my opinion. After the brilliant stand-alone Nightmaster issue, this one sort of veers away from what makes the series so great. That's not to say it's a bad book by any means. It's very solid and packed with a bunch of promising new story threads that will likely pay off spectacularly. However, I don't feel that Scott Hampton's art really fits the title at all, and there isn't nearly enough of the quirky humor that sets this title apart. This is much more of a suspenseful issue. In fact, Shadowpact barely appears at all. The villains take center stage here as we get ready for a big move against the forces of Shadowpact. The brutal Kid Karnevil proves himself to be a force to be reckoned with in the shocking opening segment. The mysterious Doctor Gotham sacrfices his minion Stegra in a chilling manner to attain power. And the heroic Zauriel is given a new mission by his divine overlords: He must slay an unholy demon on Earth - Blue Devil. A lot of good stuff is set up here, and I can't wait to see where it goes next, but it really didn't feel that much like Shadowpact. It needed more Ragman, Lady Fell, and of course, Detective Chimp.

Part two of three of this absolutely dreadful storyline, and I read this and will read part three in store. There's no need to waste my money on what essentially amounts to Pat Lee indulging his giant robot battle fetish with Superman and Batman briefly fighting some wierd sand Brainiac. There's a badly done plot about the Metal Men as security guards at Waynetower too. I wasn't aware that the Metal Men were the mutantkind of the DCU, with everyone hating and fearing them. How could anyone hate Platinum? She's adorable! The two new Metal Men, Gold and Copper(the cliched "bad girl", in case anyone cared) do nothing for me either. Wait for Rouleau's mini for some real Metal Men fun, and pass on this.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Okay Ray your creeping me out by calling Platinum adorable.

[Ray G.]

Okay Ray your creeping me out by calling Platinum adorable.

Steve is going to be with me on this.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Steve is going to be with me on this.

Why is he a big fan of the Stepford Wives?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Wow. If Amazons Attack is really doing tie-ins like that, I am glad I'm skipping out almost completely on this story. I think the only part I'm actually going to read is the Teen Titans issue.

And:

Is Everyman the catchall impostor character now? Sheesh

[Ray G.]

Wow. If Amazons Attack is really doing tie-ins like that, I am glad I'm skipping out almost completely on this story. I think the only part I'm actually going to read is the Teen Titans issue.

It was the thing that pissed me off the most about Civil War, and it still pisses me off here.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

It was the thing that pissed me off the most about Civil War, and it still pisses me off here.

Civil War read pretty much fine in and of itself, though. I skipped almost all of the CW tie-ins and I don't think I missed really any story.

[Ray G.]

Civil War read pretty much fine in and of itself, though. I skipped almost all of the CW tie-ins and I don't think I missed really any story.

Civil War and Amazing Spider-man picked up directly from each other's cliffhangers.

I've argued this in countless threads before. While most of the tie-ins were somewhat auxilliary, ASM was pretty much essential.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Civil War and Amazing Spider-man picked up directly from each other's cliffhangers.

I've argued this in countless threads before. While most of the tie-ins were somewhat auxilliary, ASM was pretty much essential.

Yeah, you're right about ASM. I can concede that. In my mind, I can't really differentiate what happened in ASM and what happened in CW (on certain plot points, anyway). ASM is one of the few tie-ins that I did read.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wonder Woman # 9 may be the funniest book i've read in ages.

So Hippolyta declares War on the United States because they were holding Diana but once Diana shows a inch of resistance, they attack her.

Who edits this mess? The Sarge Steel stuff meanwhile has me totally confused. So we've never seen the real Sarge? It's been Everyman the whole time? Or is it Nemesis half the time or what?

I demand my money... aka 16.6 MB of memory back!!!

Countdown meanwhile...Christ on a crutch i just absolutely loathe this book. Sorry, Jimmy Olsen is the least interesting character in comics to me and seeing Silver Age shit like Elastic Jimmy being brought back actually physically pains me. The Rogues scene was good fun though but i'm still unsure of why they're included here at all. This is a perfect sub-plot for a comic like say i don't know...The Flash maybe??? I amuse myself by pretending the Monitors are actually the DC editorial staff arguing ( I mean come on! clearly it's them) and as for the you know what final page reveal. Too early for me, Way too early. Nice art by Carlos Magno though whoever the hell he is.

[The Doctor]

It must be like a constant state of withdrawal from just about everything.
:lol:

Comes out in October:rock:
Very tempting but I really want an Absolute.

Yeah, you're right about ASM. I can concede that. In my mind, I can't really differentiate what happened in ASM and what happened in CW (on certain plot points, anyway). ASM is one of the few tie-ins that I did read.

Agreed Amazing added a lot of insight.

[Deej]

I have returned, with comics!

Finally! Countdown really hit on all cylinders this week. I loved it. Now, I'm sure I'll read the thread and find three negative reviews. :lol:

I liked it this week too. However, I think the return of one character is way too premature. DC missed on making this comeback more epic.

And I really really enjoyed the History of the DCU (or whatever they call it this time). It made sense within the story and was a decent short standalone tale.

[Deej]

:rock:
:boogie:

I am so happy right now. This has just made my day.

Personally, I hope it's a mini-series. Was it confirmed as an on-going book?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Personally, I hope it's a mini-series. Was it confirmed as an on-going book?

Why would you not want ongoing Questoya?

[Deej]

Steve is going to be with me on this.

I really hate this version of the Metal Men that is appearing in Superman/Batman. Morrison had a great approach to them in 52 and this new story is ruining it. What sucks is that the new mini coming out is apparently using the Superman/Batman models...

[Deej]

Why would you not want ongoing Questoya?

Because 1) I think it would sell better as a mini 2) I doubt i'll pick up a new on-going...Booster Gold gets my money first 3) Questoya is still not a riveting character to me 4) just sounds a tad too contrived.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I really hate this version of the Metal Men that is appearing in Superman/Batman. Morrison had a great approach to them in 52 and this new story is ruining it. What sucks is that the new mini coming out is apparently using the Superman/Batman models...

..which is why I likely won't be picking it up.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Because 1) I think it would sell better as a mini 2) I doubt i'll pick up a new on-going...Booster Gold gets my money first 3) Questoya is still not a riveting character to me 4) just sounds a tad too contrived.

I love me some Montoya. I'm much more excited for this than for Booster. If this is written by Rucka in anything resembling Gotham Central, I am going to buy the shit out of it.

[bairdduvessa]

wait is Questoya getting a book?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

wait is Questoya getting a book?

Seems that way.

[Ray G.]

wait is Questoya getting a book?

Yep! Crime Bible, by Greg Rucka!

[Foggy's Pal]

Countdown question... If Adam is powerless, why the costume and how did he rip those people apart?

[Ray G.]

I really hate this version of the Metal Men that is appearing in Superman/Batman. Morrison had a great approach to them in 52 and this new story is ruining it. What sucks is that the new mini coming out is apparently using the Superman/Batman models...

It blows my mind that DC is ruining all the buzz they got for the Metal Men in 52 with this crap.

[bairdduvessa]

Yep! Crime Bible, by Greg Rucka!

squuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee when?

i'll buy that

is it on dbcs?

[Ray G.]

Countdown question... If Adam is powerless, why the costume and how did he rip those people apart?

He's probably a bit loopy, and refuses to let go of the costume. As for the how....He's Black fucking Adam. That's how.

[Ray G.]

squuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee when?

i'll buy that

is it on dbcs?

This was the first mention of it. September, maybe. October more likely.

[Foggy's Pal]

He's probably a bit loopy, and refuses to let go of the costume. As for the how....He's Black fucking Adam. That's how.

If I had only known his middle name....

[bairdduvessa]

This was the first mention of it. September, maybe. October more likely.

please keep me updated buddy!

who is the artist?

[Matt O'Keefe]

Because 1) I think it would sell better as a mini 2) I doubt i'll pick up a new on-going...Booster Gold gets my money first 3) Questoya is still not a riveting character to me 4) just sounds a tad too contrived.

Did you read Gotham Central? I'm hoping Crime Bible will have a similar tone to that.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Did you read Gotham Central? I'm hoping Crime Bible will have a similar tone to that.

Exactly.

[bairdduvessa]

Did you read Gotham Central? I'm hoping Crime Bible will have a similar tone to that.


Exactly.

me too

[Deej]

Countdown question... If Adam is powerless, why the costume and how did he rip those people apart?

That's exactly why I thought he did have powers.

[Deej]

Did you read Gotham Central? I'm hoping Crime Bible will have a similar tone to that.

I did...in floppy. I loved it but I also think Rucka wasn't alone in setting that atmosphere. Brubaker did a lot to help that. And for some reason, I think of the Crime Bible as being more cosmic in nature...which already changes the tone from that of Gotham Central.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I did...in floppy. I loved it but I also think Rucka wasn't alone in setting that atmosphere. Brubaker did a lot to help that. And for some reason, I think of the Crime Bible as being more cosmic in nature...which already changes the tone from that of Gotham Central.

Huh. I'm not get any sort of cosmic feel. I get the impression that it'll be very down-to-earth and crime genre-ish.

[Foggy's Pal]

That's exactly why I thought he did have powers.

Yeah, me too.

[Deej]

Huh. I'm not get any sort of cosmic feel. I get the impression that it'll be very down-to-earth and crime genre-ish.

Intergang with Mannheim with ties to Apokolips featuring its firepits and people that can turn to animals was more down to earth????

[Vonn Hennigar]

The Question book will hinge on the artist.

If they want to go all Gotham Centralish then they have to hire an artist that's appropriate or else it's just going to be DCU Super-hero book # 56.

[DeluxeVoltron]

Countdown 49 question:

on page 2, is Jimmy's camera simply taking a hit or does it look to anybody else as if his flash is going off? i think by the time he develops his pictures he will know theres something more to his survival than mere luck.

i enjoyed this issue pretty well. if the book weren't weekly id get kinda pissed at how much shit happens per issue. its like the beginning of 52 all over again where we get like 3 pages per sub-plot.

[Hock]

I have returned, with comics!

Finally! Countdown really hit on all cylinders this week. I loved it. Now, I'm sure I'll read the thread and find three negative reviews. :lol:

No comic books for me today. :( Monday Holiday=Thursday Comics.

[Hock]

Okay Ray your creeping me out by calling Platinum adorable.

If you're just starting to get creeped out by Ray now, there's something wrong with you.

[Ray G.]

No comic books for me today. :( Monday Holiday=Thursday Comics.

I'll be in your shoes next week. Memorial Day and whatnot.

[Matt O'Keefe]

No comic books for me today. :( Monday Holiday=Thursday Comics.

There was a holiday this last Monday?

[Vonn Hennigar]

There was a holiday this last Monday?

Victoria Day.

That's like President's Day down there in the Frightened States Of America. i guess :?

[Matt O'Keefe]

Victoria Day.

That's like President's Day down there in the Frightened States Of America. i guess :?

Ah. We have Memorial Day next week, but I've quit going to the LCS on Wednesdays.

[Hock]

Civil War read pretty much fine in and of itself, though. I skipped almost all of the CW tie-ins and I don't think I missed really any story.

ASM and Fantastic four to a leser extent had quite a bit going on. But while you may not have missed story, you would miss great character stuff. In my opinion the best thing to come from Civil War were the New Avengers tie-ins. The Winter Soldier one shot also had some great character moments for Bucky.

[Hock]

Personally, I hope it's a mini-series. Was it confirmed as an on-going book?

I think Rucka could do amazing stuff with a Question ongoing, but I'm concerned about it being called Crime Bible, instead of The Question, as that might indicate where some of the focus may be.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

ASM and Fantastic four to a leser extent had quite a bit going on. But while you may not have missed story, you would miss great character stuff. In my opinion the best thing to come from Civil War were the New Avengers tie-ins. The Winter Soldier one shot also had some great character moments for Bucky.

Both the New Avengers tie-ins and the Cap America tie-ins were very well done.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I think Rucka could do amazing stuff with a Question ongoing, but I'm concerned about it being called Crime Bible, instead of The Question, as that might indicate where some of the focus may be.

If they knew what they were doing, they would title it Questoya

[Hock]

I really hate this version of the Metal Men that is appearing in Superman/Batman. Morrison had a great approach to them in 52 and this new story is ruining it. What sucks is that the new mini coming out is apparently using the Superman/Batman models...

:nonono2:

I completely agree with you, and it sucks that they aren't using the 52 versions. Has a creative team been announced?

[Hock]

Both the New Avengers tie-ins and the Cap America tie-ins were very well done.

Because those tie-ins were written by Brubaker and Bendis. Most tie-ins are written by people I've never even heard off. X-men and YA/Runaways for example. And they both sucked. I think sometimes creators try to make the tie-in mean to much to the overall story, and so it falls on it's ass.

[Ray G.]

:nonono2:

I completely agree with you, and it sucks that they aren't using the 52 versions. Has a creative team been announced?

Duncan Rouleau. He's handling writing and art.

[Hock]

If they knew what they were doing, they would title it Questoya

No, that was her name when she was under the tutelage of Vic, or was it the name of her and Vic as a duo? I can't remember. Either way, with him dead, she has to press on, and assume the mantle of The Question wholly.

Also, I listened to the wordballon Rucka debrief yesterday, and that was a great podcast. Lot's of interesting things were said and Rucka had some great insight.

[Deej]

No, that was her name when she was under the tutelage of Vic, or was it the name of her and Vic as a duo? I can't remember. Either way, with him dead, she has to press on, and assume the mantle of The Question wholly.

Also, I listened to the wordballon Rucka debrief yesterday, and that was a great podcast. Lot's of interesting things were said and Rucka had some great insight.

Anything in particular that you remember that was good??

[Vonn Hennigar]

I don't recall Questoya being used anywhere in any actual comic book ever.

For good reason, it's a terrible name.



Either way without Vic it already has a big strike against it in my books.

See also Ted Kordless Blue Beetle,Ray Palmerless Atom and Ronnie Raymondless Firestorm.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I don't recall Questoya being used anywhere in any actual comic book ever.

For good reason, it's a terrible name.


Um, yeah. I'm pretty sure Baird actually coined that term and I'm not sure its left this thread.

[UltimateQuintessa]

If you're just starting to get creeped out by Ray now, there's something wrong with you.

Hey there's nothing wrong with digging cute blondes in short skirts, but I'm no Robosexual. :eek:

[Hock]

Anything in particular that you remember that was good??

At various points throughout he talks about Wonder Woman, about his run, about the current series and what he thinks is wrong with it, about the character in general. That man really knows his WW. He talks about himself as a writer, and some differences between prose and comics. He talked about Some of his weaknesses as a writer and some things he's learned. For example he said that he has been hesitant in the past to use a lot of splash pages, because he can fit more narrative into eight panes in that page then one, but he realizes that comic are also for people who want to look at pretty pictures, so he has to conciously set aside spavce for a splash when outlining.

[Hock]

I did...in floppy. I loved it but I also think Rucka wasn't alone in setting that atmosphere. Brubaker did a lot to help that. And for some reason, I think of the Crime Bible as being more cosmic in nature...which already changes the tone from that of Gotham Central.

Gotham central was also a big cast book for the most part, but a Question title would have a primary character. Why the fuck are they calling it Crime Bible though, that s suck a stupid name. Was an artist announced, or just that Rucka is writing?

[DeluxeVoltron]

the dcnation column only mentioned rucka.


crime bible. that is a damn funny title

[Vonn Hennigar]

All this Gotham Central talk has got me misty eyed.

Fuck the Question and The Spectre.

I want Renee and Crispus back :(

Plus i miss Marcus,Romy & Stacy.

[lonesomefool]

All this Gotham Central talk has got me misty eyed.

Fuck the Question and The Spectre.

I want Renee and Crispus back :(

Plus i miss Marcus,Romy & Stacy.

I miss that book too, that was such an awesome title, that said, I am glad DC decided to end it with Rucka and Brubaker, rather than handing it over to different writers, that book was Brubaker, Rucka and Lark's baby, and I'm glad they ended it when they left.

[Hock]

Ah. We have Memorial Day next week, but I've quit going to the LCS on Wednesdays.

I only go on Wednesdays becauses going to my LCS after work only adds about 5 minutes to my commute home, plus however long I spend in the store.

[UltimateQuintessa]

I only go on Wednesdays becauses going to my LCS after work only adds about 5 minutes to my commute home, plus however long I spend in the store.


You luck I have to drive twenty mins. to my shop after work in the opposite way from home. So on the ride there I'm thinking "Can wait to get my hands on JLA." Then on the way home I have to resist the urge of reading while driving.:-x

[Hock]

All this Gotham Central talk has got me misty eyed.

Fuck the Question and The Spectre.

I want Renee and Crispus back :(

Plus i miss Marcus,Romy & Stacy.

I need to pick up the Gotham Central trades. it was a great series. What did it run, 40 issues?

[Hock]

You luck I have to drive twenty mins. to my shop after work in the opposite way from home. So on the ride there I'm thinking "Can wait to get my hands on JLA." Then on the way home I have to resist the urge of reading while driving.:-x

That's what I like about public transit, sure it takes longer, but I can be productive and read while in transit.

[UltimateQuintessa]

That's what I like about public transit, sure it takes longer, but I can be productive and read while in transit.

Yes but your a prisoner to bus pickup times. A prisoner I tell you.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

All this Gotham Central talk has got me misty eyed.

Fuck the Question and The Spectre.

I want Renee and Crispus back :(

Plus i miss Marcus,Romy & Stacy.

Have you read the entire series now? I didn't think they had it all traded yet.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I need to pick up the Gotham Central trades. it was a great series. What did it run, 40 issues?

Yup. 40 issues.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Wasn't Crispin from Gotham Central the same guy that helped Nightwing for a while in Bludhaven?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Have you read the entire series now? I didn't think they had it all traded yet.

No the last trade comes out in a few weeks (32-40) i think.

From what i've read so far though the book starts to slip a bit. Greg Rucka really really really likes Renee Montoya and he relegates everyone else to Sub-Supporting characters to the detriment of the book imo.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Man Superman/Batman # 35 is a piece of shit.

I weep at the lack of importance of Brainiac nowadays :nonono2: In my books he's THE Superman villain and seeing him reduced to this book that sells but few seem to read pains me.

But it did give me one good laugh. When Superman mocks Batman for being too neat when he appears to investigate some "Dirt" on a space station.

Uh Superman first it's a space station, dirt would be pretty unusual, second Pat Lee doesn't actually draw dirt instead it's more like Neon green goop that Batmans looking at.

-57/10

[Hock]

Yes but your a prisoner to bus pickup times. A prisoner I tell you.

Except I live in a city where the buses for major routes run ever couple of minutes, so not really.

[Hock]

No the last trade comes out in a few weeks (32-40) i think.

From what i've read so far though the book starts to slip a bit. Greg Rucka really really really likes Renee Montoya and he relegates everyone else to Sub-Supporting characters to the detriment of the book imo.

The book was definetely better when it was Rucka and Bru together, but I still liked it when it was Rucka alone.

[SteveZegers]

Steve is going to be with me on this.

I got your back Ray!

Platinum (Or Platina, which is cute since they always called her Tina) was always a really loveable character. Just sweet and really positive. Kind of like Mary Marvel, or "classic" Supergirl.

[Deej]

I got your back Ray!

Platinum (Or Platina, which is cute since they always called her Tina) was always a really loveable character. Just sweet and really positive. Kind of like Mary Marvel, or "classic" Supergirl.

Yes...but how do you like her now? I didn't get the second issue of the Superman/Batman arc yet...but the first issue was horrible!

[SteveZegers]

Yes...but how do you like her now? I didn't get the second issue of the Superman/Batman arc yet...but the first issue was horrible!

She seems OK. I felt like this issue was much better. We get more from the characters, get to meet Copper a little, I'm not crazy about the art, but I guess it fits for the big robot issues.

[SteveZegers]

Birds Of Prey #106 $2.99 – I loved the Barda fight. Always liked her. This was great stuff. Just a big huge fight, very fun.

Countdown #49 $2.99 – Feels like things really picked up with this issue. Jimmy going all elastic thrills me in the “Steve likes the goofy silver-age stuff way a lot!”. So far the Rogues (and I love the rogues) storyline has been a little flat for me. Still, very good!

Shadowpact #13 $2.99 –See review thread. Good!

Supergirl And The Legion Of Super Heroes #30 $2.99 – Great swerve there, and it totally fits all the characters involved! I’m going to miss the heck out of this creative team.

Superman Batman #35 $2.99 – Much better than the beginning of this arc, which I wasn’t crazy about. It’s now clear that they do know Doc Magnus, so that bit of dialogue in the last issue was a little odd. Any book with the Metal Men is OK with me. I love them! I also like the idea of Doc and the team setting up in some Waynetech building somewhere. I think that would be a cool setting for them.

Wonder Woman Vol 3 #9 $2.99 – Much, much better. Feels like a superhero book again. I liked the use of Everyman and Nemesis, two guys that disguise themselves. The art is beautiful, and they are asking lots of interesting questions. Amazons Attack is one of the smaller crossovers, but so far, so good.

[The Doctor]

The new Question book is going to get a pass from me. Might give the trade a look if I hear good stuff.

[Deej]

The new Question book is going to get a pass from me. Might give the trade a look if I hear good stuff.

I feel the same exact way! Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

[SteveZegers]

I feel the same exact way! Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

Hush! I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. (And it's not because I was watching the Dancing with the Stars finale on TIVO... It had nothing to do with that.)

[Deej]

Hush! I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. (And it's not because I was watching the Dancing with the Stars finale on TIVO... It had nothing to do with that.)

GO HOME AND WATCH NOW!!! Possibly the greatest season finale ever! Definitely the best one I've seen this year.

[SteveZegers]

GO HOME AND WATCH NOW!!! Possibly the greatest season finale ever! Definitely the best one I've seen this year.

First thing on my "to do" list. I'm glad it's good.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

Same here. I can't think about anything else right now.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

GO HOME AND WATCH NOW!!! Possibly the greatest season finale ever! Definitely the best one I've seen this year.

Fucking right. It seriously owned.

[The Doctor]

I feel the same exact way! Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

I'm still annoyed they killed Vic for little or no reason.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm still annoyed they killed Vic for little or no reason.

Yeah. Poor Vic. There was really no reason for Montoya to become a new Question. She's a perfectly fine character in her own right.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

From the review thread:

Despite the fact that Shadowpact was almost completely absent from this issue, I found myself enjoying it. The art style is a noticeable change from the previous issues, but regardless of that the art was quite good. As for the plot of the issue, its really just all build up for future storylines. I was surprised by Doctor Gotham's actions towards Strega, as it felt like her character was going to be around a bit longer - not that I actually mind what happened to her, though. Also, I'm not sure who was clamoring for the return of Kid Karnevil, but oh well, we have it now. Surely he's just to replace Strega at the side of Doctor Gotham, yes?
The bit at the end with Zauriel was well done. When I heard that Zauriel was going to be popping up in this book my eyes rolled, but his appearance here (and in subsequent issues) has been explained in a very satisfactory way. As always, I look forward to the next issue.

7.7/10

[The Doctor]

Yeah. Poor Vic. There was really no reason for Montoya to become a new Question. She's a perfectly fine character in her own right.

Exactly. It's as if they only had room for a certain number of characters and Vic got the short straw.

*Question holds short straw*

Question: Any chance for doover?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Exactly. It's as if they only had room for a certain number of characters and Vic got the short straw.

*Question holds short straw*

Question: Any chance for doover?

At least we have Earth-4 now where, should they choose to, they can do some Vic Sage Question stories.

[The Doctor]

At least we have Earth-4 now where, should they choose to, they can do some Vic Sage Question stories.

My Question pitch allows for Earth One Vic Sage stories.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

My Question pitch allows for Earth One Vic Sage stories.

:rock:

[The Doctor]

:rock:

However by the time I get to do it he'll probably be back anyway.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Because those tie-ins were written by Brubaker and Bendis. Most tie-ins are written by people I've never even heard off. X-men and YA/Runaways for example. And they both sucked. I think sometimes creators try to make the tie-in mean to much to the overall story, and so it falls on it's ass.

The worst tie-in was Heroes For Hire. They had a scene where Captain America was "captured" and would so obviously get out before it was over.


I don't recall Questoya being used anywhere in any actual comic book ever.

For good reason, it's a terrible name.



Either way without Vic it already has a big strike against it in my books.

See also Ted Kordless Blue Beetle,Ray Palmerless Atom and Ronnie Raymondless Firestorm.

Eh, DC is big on their legacies.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Gotham central was also a big cast book for the most part, but a Question title would have a primary character. Why the fuck are they calling it Crime Bible though, that s suck a stupid name. Was an artist announced, or just that Rucka is writing?

I'm not too into the name either.


Have you read the entire series now? I didn't think they had it all traded yet.

Vonn doesn't seem to need to wait for the trade anymore:scared:

[Matt O'Keefe]

I feel the same exact way! Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

It was so sad when Charlie died. That scene made me want to cry. He's easily my favorite character in the history of television. He was half the reason I watched LOST, never have I grown so attached to a character. Him dying was like losing a pet:cry:


Yeah. Poor Vic. There was really no reason for Montoya to become a new Question. She's a perfectly fine character in her own right.

Yup. I think making her a superhero of sorts subtracts from her character. But down-to-earth books just don't sell at DC, unfortunately.

[Foggy's Pal]

Countdown spoiler: Don't know if this has come up since yesterday, but I would assume that Black Adam had his power in Countdown. It takes place after his mini series in August, so I hope he gets his powers over the course of 8 issues.
The timing of the scene is mentioned in the back of the issue.

[Ray G.]

I feel the same exact way! Very quiet here today...my brain's still locked around the whole season finale of Lost...

That was pretty mindblowing. I love that show again.

I've been at work all day. Now to kick this thread back into gear. :D

[Ray G.]

Countdown spoiler: Don't know if this has come up since yesterday, but I would assume that Black Adam had his power in Countdown. It takes place after his mini series in August, so I hope he gets his powers over the course of 8 issues.
The timing of the scene is mentioned in the back of the issue.

That makes sense. I suppose he's been busy in the time that's passed since the end of 52. It's going to be pretty hard for the casual reader, though, given that just three weeks ago they saw him powerless.

[Matt O'Keefe]

That was pretty mindblowing. I love that show again.

I've been at work all day. Now to kick this thread back into gear. :D

You've gotta be a Charlie fan, right Ray? Similar to a lot of characters you've been attached to.

[Ray G.]

You've gotta be a Charlie fan, right Ray? Similar to a lot of characters you've been attached to.

I am. He's not my favorite, but I do love the guy. I'm also a huge fan of Hurley and especially Sawyer. I'm a sucker for those bad guys with a decent streak-type characters.

But you know who my favorite character right now probably is? Desmond.

[Deej]

That makes sense. I suppose he's been busy in the time that's passed since the end of 52. It's going to be pretty hard for the casual reader, though, given that just three weeks ago they saw him powerless.

And that's why I think it was a mistake having him here...

[Ray G.]

And that's why I think it was a mistake having him here...

I would have liked it if he was powerless, and led Mary on a quest into the underworld to reclaim their powers.

[Matt O'Keefe]

I am. He's not my favorite, but I do love the guy. I'm also a huge fan of Hurley and especially Sawyer. I'm a sucker for those bad guys with a decent streak-type characters.

But you know who my favorite character right now probably is? Desmond.

Desmond is awsome. I'm a big fan of Hurley too, but like I told my friend earlier today, I haven't seen anything really emotionally powerful with him yet. Sawyer is great. I really thought that they'd kill him off this episode. Seemed like they set it up perfectly, by finishing his story. I think it would have been good for the show to have killed one of the Big Three. Everything would have felt so much more up in the air. Obviously, from the flashbacks, that's not going to happen now.


BTW, last week's episode was my favorite episode since the middle of season 1.

[SteveZegers]

Countdown spoiler: Don't know if this has come up since yesterday, but I would assume that Black Adam had his power in Countdown. It takes place after his mini series in August, so I hope he gets his powers over the course of 8 issues.
The timing of the scene is mentioned in the back of the issue.

I don't recall, did he use powers or just bash some homeless guys?

[Foggy's Pal]

I would have liked it if he was powerless, and led Mary on a quest into the underworld to reclaim their powers.

It really makes me wonder what he is going to do for 8 issues of a mini powerless. Seems to me that it will be missing a climax....Good idea, but I don't think it would work. He must have power
Not sure if that really needed spoiled.

[Deej]

I would have liked it if he was powerless, and led Mary on a quest into the underworld to reclaim their powers.

His story should be totally different. Was Mary in a coma for World War 3? Even so, I would think she found out that Black Adam destroyed a whole nation of people. There is no redemption for him and there's no way Mary should go looking to reclaim her powers if he's involved. Black Adam's story should be more epic and he needs some redemption before getting his powers back...if at all.

BTW...does anyone else think that he should have been offered membership to Sinestro's army?? He's probably one of the most feared humans... It would have at least been interesting as a temporary means to regain some power...

[Deej]

Desmond is awsome. I'm a big fan of Hurley too, but like I told my friend earlier today, I haven't seen anything really emotionally powerful with him yet. Sawyer is great. I really thought that they'd kill him off this episode. Seemed like they set it up perfectly, by finishing his story. I think it would have been good for the show to have killed one of the Big Three. Everything would have felt so much more up in the air. Obviously, from the flashbacks, that's not going to happen now.

BTW, last week's episode was my favorite episode since the middle of season 1.


Last night's episode was my favorite episode of Lost ever!! And everything is still really up in the air...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Last night's episode was my favorite episode of Lost ever!! And everything is still really up in the air...

It was so damn good. I think I'm going to rewatch it later.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Last night's episode was my favorite episode of Lost ever!! And everything is still really up in the air...

But it still feels like they have to keep Jack, Kate, and Sawyer alive, especially now.


Last night's episode was really good, but my favorite part of the show is those character-driven moments, which is why I like Charlie so much. Those episodes with him, Locke and the drugs were gold.

[Deej]

But it still feels like they have to keep Jack, Kate, and Sawyer alive, especially now.


Last night's episode was really good, but my favorite part of the show is those character-driven moments, which is why I like Charlie so much. Those episodes with him, Locke and the drugs were gold.

BUT...

The whole show can change now... For one thing, do we really know if Sawyer is alive? Secondly, the next season could be Jack & company trying to get back on the Island and have flash backs of how they got off it to begin with. There is so much they can do.

Also, I kind of got sick and tired of Charlie in the 2nd season but he really went out on a high note. His character really did a 180 and he probably went from least fan favorite to most favorite this year.

[UltimateQuintessa]

I got your back Ray!

Platinum (Or Platina, which is cute since they always called her Tina) was always a really loveable character. Just sweet and really positive. Kind of like Mary Marvel, or "classic" Supergirl.

She's still a robot.

[SteveZegers]

GO HOME AND WATCH NOW!!! Possibly the greatest season finale ever! Definitely the best one I've seen this year.

You were right. Very good, and completely ballsy way to go.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Lost last night for me was a pretty sweet episode. I've waited all season for some of these characters to just get fed up and kick some ass. And it fucking happened.

These things made me get up and cheer. Yes I actually stood up and clapped.
Jack going all UFC on Ben was awesome.
Hurley driving the VW wagon to say the guys.
And Sawyer popping a cap into Tom aka. Mr Friendly. "I wasn't sure"

[GrandeMaestro Fünke]

BUT...

The whole show can change now... For one thing, do we really know if Sawyer is alive? Secondly, the next season could be Jack & company trying to get back on the Island and have flash backs of how they got off it to begin with. There is so much they can do.

Also, I kind of got sick and tired of Charlie in the 2nd season but he really went out on a high note. His character really did a 180 and he probably went from least fan favorite to most favorite this year.

Agreed, what made the finale so great is now they can completely take the show in a different direction. It'll be interesting to see how all the characters adjust back to the real world

Anyone on topic. I'm really no digging Countdown, I'm thinking I'll give it two more issues, if it doesn't pick up I'm done.

Also Birds of Prey was really really good this week.

[Ray G.]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

Sniff. :cry:

[The Doctor]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

Forget what?

:shifty:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Forget what?

:shifty:

That is didn't really happened. Batman never swore her in so she was never a "sanctioned" Robin.

I'm with Didio on this one.

[Ray G.]

Sniff. :cry:

I think I miss her more than Connor, actually. At least Connor got a somewhat badass death.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Bat review!


I found myself quite enjoying this issue, despite it having a number of flaws. I think what intrigues me most is the ideas that Morrison is putting forth here, while the execution still leaves something to be desired. I've decided that I am no longer much of a Kubert fan. I used to love his work, but lately its just not doing it for me. I'm not sure why.

But back to the plot: I really like the idea of the black casebook - a file for all of the things Bats has seen that he cannot explain. Its awesome. The idea of the Three Ghosts of Batman sounds a bit silly at first, but I'm starting to dig on it and I like how everything is hearkening back to Morrison's first issue.

And (like Vonn) I will be fucking stoked if this is leading up to the return of Ra's. The idea that the Third Batman will "hand the city of Gotham over to the devil" (or something along those lines) re-inforces my hope that Ra's will return. Meanwhile, Talia is acting like a bit of a fucking idiot in this issue, but thankfully she was only in a couple pages.

Overall, I was pleased with this issue and found myself smiling a number of times while reading.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Forget what?

:shifty:

You forgot? Bad Glenn! :-(

[UltimateQuintessa]

Bat review!


I found myself quite enjoying this issue, despite it having a number of flaws. I think what intrigues me most is the ideas that Morrison is putting forth here, while the execution still leaves something to be desired. I've decided that I am no longer much of a Kubert fan. I used to love his work, but lately its just not doing it for me. I'm not sure why.

But back to the plot: I really like the idea of the black casebook - a file for all of the things Bats has seen that he cannot explain. Its awesome. The idea of the Three Ghosts of Batman sounds a bit silly at first, but I'm starting to dig on it and I like how everything is hearkening back to Morrison's first issue.

And (like Vonn) I will be fucking stoked if this is leading up to the return of Ra's. The idea that the Third Batman will "hand the city of Gotham over to the devil" (or something along those lines) re-inforces my hope that Ra's will return. Meanwhile, Talia is acting like a bit of a fucking idiot in this issue, but thankfully she was only in a couple pages.

Overall, I was pleased with this issue and found myself smiling a number of times while reading.

I liked the Damian reveal.

[bairdduvessa]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[The Doctor]

That is didn't really happened. Batman never swore her in so she was never a "sanctioned" Robin.

I'm with Didio on this one.
A death is a death. Sehw as under Batman's watch it doesn't matter if she was officially Robin or not. Batman not showing it bothers him is very unusual for him.

You forgot? Bad Glenn! :-(

Forgot what?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

*supportive hug*

[bairdduvessa]

That is didn't really happened. Batman never swore her in so she was never a "sanctioned" Robin.

I'm with Didio on this one.

:banned:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Forgot what?

To remember

[bairdduvessa]

*supportive hug*

:eek: *HANDS! :eek:

[Ray G.]

That is didn't really happened. Batman never swore her in so she was never a "sanctioned" Robin.

I'm with Didio on this one.

Except that, you know, he fucking told her she was really Robin!

Rassum frassum Prime Punches....:mad:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Doctor what should bother Batman is "WHERE THE FUCK IS WALLY WEST???!!!"

The JLA and JSA should be looking for him instead of fucking around with The old and tired Legion of Super Jabronies.

[Ray G.]

Doctor what should bother Batman is "WHERE THE FUCK IS WALLY WEST???!!!"

The JLA and JSA should be looking for him instead of fucking around with The old and tired Legion of Super Jabronies.

Ah, yes, the new DCU. Batman doesn't remember Spoiler, Superman doesn't remember Conner, and no one remembers Wally. God bless IC.

[UltimateQuintessa]

Except that, you know, he fucking told her she was really Robin!

Sorry I didn't read War Games/Crimes whatever because of my hatred for Winick. He ruined Green Lantern for a while for me.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:eek: *HANDS! :eek:

:innocent:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Carrie Kelly was a better Robin though. She never got preggers by some punk kid.

[The Doctor]

To remember
Remember what?

Doctor what should bother Batman is "WHERE THE FUCK IS WALLY WEST???!!!"

The JLA and JSA should be looking for him instead of fucking around with The old and tired Legion of Super Jabronies.

It's on his to do list.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Remember what?


I forget.

[Ray G.]

Carrie Kelly was a better Robin though. She never got preggers by some punk kid.

Did Carrie Kelly ever kick her douche of a father in the face? I think not.

[The Doctor]

I forget.

I'm sure it wasn't important right Mr. Didio?

Dan Didio: Bwhahaahhahahaa *rolls in money*

[bairdduvessa]

Carrie Kelly was a better Robin though. She never got preggers by some punk kid.

oh yea? well at least she didn't get herpes from licking the Kiss comic cover like some quintessas we know

[UltimateQuintessa]

oh yea? well at least she didn't get herpes from licking the Kiss comic cover like some quintessas we know

I'd appreciate if you didn't make my std's public bro.:scared:

[UltimateQuintessa]

Did Carrie Kelly ever kick her douche of a father in the face? I think not.

Yeah but Carrie Kelly doesn't Shiv.

[bairdduvessa]

I'd appreciate if you didn't make my std's public bro.:scared:

i think you'd be more ashamed of your musical comic taste...

[UltimateQuintessa]

i think you'd be more ashamed of your musical comic taste...

Hey I bought those during my "Todd can do no wrong" phase. :blah:

[bairdduvessa]

Hey I bought those during my "Todd can do no wrong" phase. :blah:

it just keeps getting worse and worse for you doesn't it?

[UltimateQuintessa]

it just keeps getting worse and worse for you doesn't it?

At least I don't lust after Robots.:cool:

[The Doctor]

I really forget that this is a DC thread sometimes.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I really forget that this is a DC thread sometimes.

Thats because half the time it isn't.

But at least we can reasonably discuss DC comics in this thread. Unlike some other places around here...

[SteveZegers]

She's still a robot.

I'm not saying I "like like" her. I just like her. I like the character.

[Ray G.]

Thats because half the time it isn't.

But at least we can reasonably discuss DC comics in this thread. Unlike some other places around here...

Yeah, this is the haven that people come to when the anti-DC threads on the board get too crazy. :)

Will your 10000th post be in this thread, Rabbit?

[The Doctor]

Thats because half the time it isn't.

But at least we can reasonably discuss DC comics in this thread. Unlike some other places around here...

DC make comics?

[bairdduvessa]

At least I don't lust after Robots.:cool:

gothic lolita rules!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, this is the haven that people come to when the anti-DC threads on the board get too crazy. :)

Will your 10000th post be in this thread, Rabbit?

Yeah, it sure is.

Maybe. I don't think I'll manage to get up the energy to create a thread for it. So probably here, then.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

DC make comics?

Sometimes.


gothic lolita rules!

Fuckin right she does. That was a great mini.

[The Doctor]

Sometimes.


Learn something new every day my bunny eared ally.

[bairdduvessa]

Fuckin right she does. That was a great mini.

:thumb:

[Hock]

Thoughts oin this weeks books.

Countdown #49 - :nonono2:
What the fuck is goig on. I'm almost certainly dropping this book. I'm not willing to pay $12 bucks a month for something that so far has been mediocre at best. THis issue just continued that trend.

Shadowpact #13 - :nonono2:
A shitty issue of a great series. Serioulsly, Zauriel? Horrible character that should never have been created let alone used. Willingham was off his game with this issue and the fact that the book doesn't have a regular artist doesn't help. Some of the artists have been great, this one, not so much. Not that there wasn't some skill in the art, it just did not fit the book at all.

Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes #30 - :thumb:
Damn fucking straight. Only good DC book this week. Great finish the the current arc. This Legion run is seriously awesome, I'm looking forward to what's comiong next, with some trepidation though with Waid no longer being involved.

Bonus Review, Gotham Central Vol. 1: In the line of duty. - :thumb:
Picked this up today, and it's been a while since I read it, just got to say, Fantastic. I love the take of everyday cops living in the fucked up DCU and how they deal with that. Powers does something similar, but as great as Powers is, it's city doesn't have the hstory of Gotham. You understand immediately why these cops are a bit resentfull of batman, great book, I'll probably end up picking the rest of the trades up sometime.

[bairdduvessa]

damn you hock you are rerailing the thread!

[Hock]

I'm still annoyed they killed Vic for little or no reason.

I disagree, it's a shame that vic is dead, but at least he got a good death. It was tragic, and human, and the last thing he did when he was dying was make sure someone continued his work.

[Hock]

Countdown spoiler: Don't know if this has come up since yesterday, but I would assume that Black Adam had his power in Countdown. It takes place after his mini series in August, so I hope he gets his powers over the course of 8 issues.
The timing of the scene is mentioned in the back of the issue.


That makes sense. I suppose he's been busy in the time that's passed since the end of 52. It's going to be pretty hard for the casual reader, though, given that just three weeks ago they saw him powerless.

Does he have his powers? Does this take place after his mini? Whose to say he hasn't lost his marbles? Time has passed in the DCu since the end of 52, some time at least. Maybe he's spent that time bulking up. Those guys he took out weren't meta's, they were a couple of scrubs. I think it's possible theat he had no powers, just bulked up and put on the costume.

[bairdduvessa]

maybe its the alternate u version of him?

[Deej]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

Sweet Picture.

And you know, I was thinking about this...Didio is completely wrong. She was a Robin for a short period of time but she was a hero for longer. Bruce is not supposed to be a cold hearted vigilante anymore after Infinite Crisis...it would seem even more appropriate to have her costume in the Batcave...for Robin's sake at least. Unless she's really not dead and Bruce has her recovering somewhere... Was her death one of those that can not be reversed?

[Ray G.]

Sweet Picture.

And you know, I was thinking about this...Didio is completely wrong. She was a Robin for a short period of time but she was a hero for longer. Bruce is not supposed to be a cold hearted vigilante anymore after Infinite Crisis...it would seem even more appropriate to have her costume in the Batcave...for Robin's sake at least. Unless she's really not dead and Bruce has her recovering somewhere... Was her death one of those that can not be reversed?

It's entirely possible that she could still be alive.

She was shot and suffered serious internal injuries. She died in a hospital bed with only Batman by her side, as her monitors flatlined.

However, I don't think this is happening, as Didio hates the character. Don't ask me how anyone could hate Spoiler. She's Spoiler. :(

[Hock]

damn you hock you are rerailing the thread!

I'll rerail this thread if I want. I don't bitch about it when you derail it. Some people do, but not me.

[bairdduvessa]

I'll rerail this thread if I want. I don't bitch about it when you derail it. Some people do, but not me.

:-P

[Deej]

It's entirely possible that she could still be alive.

She was shot and suffered serious internal injuries. She died in a hospital bed with only Batman by her side, as her monitors flatlined.

However, I don't think this is happening, as Didio hates the character. Don't ask me how anyone could hate Spoiler. She's Spoiler. :(

I like Didio as the voice of DC during these conventions...but I don't think he should really be that involved in the storytelling. If you're going to make the edict that Batman is warm and fuzzy and trusting post IC...see it through. Don't have little conditions like he only cares if you're officially part of the Bat Family.

So Ray...between us...she's actually in a coma due to the severe wounds she endured. Bruce is paying her medical care and is keeping it a secret because of her history and her father's. He's not telling Robin because he doesn't want to get his hope up...and she's not represented in the trophy room because she's not dead.

[Deej]

I'll rerail this thread if I want. I don't bitch about it when you derail it. Some people do, but not me.

Well...as long as it's amusing!! I think he and Jack went back and forth a few times with just smileys!! :-x

[bairdduvessa]

Well...as long as it's amusing!! I think he and Jack went back and forth a few times with just smileys!! :-x

wow that was like 6 months ago

[Hock]

Never forget.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1332/robin4lf3.gif

Right, we have to remember. What's that saying about people who forgot the past are doomed to repeat it.

[Deej]

wow that was like 6 months ago

And i will never forgive you!!! ;)

[bairdduvessa]

And i will never forgive you!!! ;)

it was a great convo

[Ray G.]

I like Didio as the voice of DC during these conventions...but I don't think he should really be that involved in the storytelling. If you're going to make the edict that Batman is warm and fuzzy and trusting post IC...see it through. Don't have little conditions like he only cares if you're officially part of the Bat Family.

So Ray...between us...she's actually in a coma due to the severe wounds she endured. Bruce is paying her medical care and is keeping it a secret because of her history and her father's. He's not telling Robin because he doesn't want to get his hope up...and she's not represented in the trophy room because she's not dead.

:boogie:

The Leslie Thompkins thing? Prime-punch.

[Deej]

:boogie:

The Leslie Thompkins thing? Prime-punch.

She was under orders from Batman/Bruce to fake the death... I'm not really sure how this was played out. Maybe Leslie is faking her death to keep Bruce away from training another crime fighter...

[Ray G.]

She was under orders from Batman/Bruce to fake the death... I'm not really sure how this was played out. Maybe Leslie is faking her death to keep Bruce away from training another crime fighter...

Yeah, that's my pet theory. A recovering Steph is with Leslie in Africa, helping at the clinic. Leslie took the fall for Steph's "death" to throw Bruce off the trail.

Still doesn't explain Bruce being a dick, though.

[bairdduvessa]

:boogie:

The Leslie Thompkins thing? Prime-punch.

maybe dc blackmailed dini into writing dc by threatening to ruin all the characters he helped make cool

"well mr dini, Roland Dogget is next if you do not give into our demands"

[Deej]

Yeah, that's my pet theory. A recovering Steph is with Leslie in Africa, helping at the clinic. Leslie took the fall for Steph's "death" to throw Bruce off the trail.

Still doesn't explain Bruce being a dick, though.

Bruce is pissed off at himself for losing another partner. He's taking it hard and doesn't want to remind himself...or he'll lose himself to the darkness again.

[Hock]

Doctor what should bother Batman is "WHERE THE FUCK IS WALLY WEST???!!!"

The JLA and JSA should be looking for him instead of fucking around with The old and tired Legion of Super Jabronies.

Truth.

[Hock]

Thats because half the time it isn't.

But at least we can reasonably discuss DC comics in this thread. Unlike some other places around here...

I should start posting reviews for the Marvel books I read. :p

[John Drake]

Why does Batman still have a Jason Todd shrine? After all, he's back.

[Ray G.]

Why does Batman still have a Jason Todd shrine? After all, he's back.

I saw a really, really funny cartoon that mocked this once, but I can't find it now. Sadnesses. :(

But yeah, that's ridiculous. Why does Bruce have a shrine to the living Robin who he refers to as "Just another piece of dirt on the streets"?

[John Drake]

I saw a really, really funny cartoon that mocked this once, but I can't find it now. Sadnesses. :(

But yeah, that's ridiculous. Why does Bruce have a shrine to the living Robin who he refers to as "Just another piece of dirt on the streets"?

Find it!!

Exactly, it's just weird. And creepy. It's creepy, too.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Jason Todd's memorium is still there so it can get smashed dramatically 18 times per year.

Seriously over the last almost 2 decades it must have been smashed at least a 100 times.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

wow that was like 6 months ago

'Twas fun, though.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I should start posting reviews for the Marvel books I read. :p

:-D

[bairdduvessa]

night you tories