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Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:03 PM
Right, so we know Marvel won't be having a big, universe-spanning event this year, since WWH and Endangered Species seem at this point like they'll be pretty self-contained, affecting mostly their own, respective corners in the Marvel Universe (the Hulk and X-Men franchises). So I'm guessing this will take place next year, or maybe the year after that (it could work pretty nicely this way, actually, for reasons I'll delve into below). I was reading some older comics yesterday, particularly New Avengers, Civil War and Bendis' Secret War. It got me thinking, with the Initiative in place, the US essentially now possesses its own superhuman army to send into international conflicts and such. Granted, not every type of conflict (I reckon you wouldn't see superhumans sent into the Iraq or anything like that), since the state superteams were created to primarily police American states, but the big, world scale stuff, things that are very important and crucial to the nation's interests and those of its political allies (I'm thinking maybe stuff like World Wars and such).

So, I was thinking. How do other nations feel about that? The US already possesses the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world, are they just going to roll over and let them have their own Persons of Mass Destruction as well (stole that from The Ultimates, heh)? Iron Man and agents of SHIELD have commented here and there that while the US is the first country to pass the Superhuman Registration Act, it is expected that other countries will follow suit soon enough, essentially making the US "leaders of the charge", as it were, into the 'new world', one where superhumans are regulated by the government. Well, I'm guessing that's what'll happen, just not in the way they expect. I'm thinking, other countries are going to start drafting superhumans, probably in an effort to deter US control over the 'superhuman button', so nations all over the world will essentially start stockpiling superhumans as well, building their own superhero armies in case they are ever required (taking what you could refer to as the first steps towards a Superhuman Cold War). I realize this all sounds very similar to what has gone on in Mark Millar's Ultimates during the current volume, so here's where the 'regular Marvel U.' stuff kicks in.

Nick Fury's Secret War. The man, with the unwitting help of superhumans, attempted to carry out an assassination plot over the Latverian Prime Minister after finding out that Latveria was funding technological-themed villains in the US, essentially making them terrorists. Fury foresaw an international terrorist attack on a massive scale coming from Latveria towards the US, and took what he considered the right measures to prevent such an occurrence. Now, though we know that Fury's actions eventually blew up in his face and came back to haunt him (in the form of an attack by the not-so-dead Latverian PM aided by the supervillains Latveria was funding), Fury claims (in Secret War #5) that his actions were beneficial, because they delayed the attack for one year (the amount of time that went on between the assassination plot and the Latverian PM's attack on American soil), and that defeating the PM the way the heroes did in Secret War #5 probably delayed another attack for another year.

Well, taking Fury's words at heart, here's what I think is going to happen. Approximately one year from now, there is going to be another attack on American soil, most likely by Latveria and/or one/some of its allies. The difference is, in the wake of Civil War, these countries will have stockpiled their own superhuman armies, and will send them on a mass scale to attack the US. The US will respond in kind with its own superhero arsenal, essentially (going by Marvel's theme of 'War', compare to DC's 'Crisis') kickstarting a massive superhuman international war, a World War, maybe. The Initiative in place, Iron Man will be leading the charge on behalf of the Americans. The unregistered heroes (New Avengers, Young Avengers, New Warriors, etc.) will, of course, join in, and the X-Men may or may not participate depending on how busy they are, same goes for the Hulk. I'm guessing Atlantis and Wakanda will be part of the US' allied forces, Nick Fury will play his part (all the while telling everyone that he told them so) and maybe even be reinstated as Director of SHIELD by the end. There will be a new Captain America, created by Tony as a symbol with much the same purposes as the original was created in WWII, and...some other stuff. I haven't had a lot of time to think about it all.

So, uh...assuming any of you read all that and didn't fall asleep, what do you think? I haven't had time to think up more wacky stuff that might happen at the moment, but I think this can provide a decent groundwork for an event by Marvel, particularly since the current administration seems to be fond of the notion of the MU as a 'real place' where 'real' things happen (as opposed to massive reality altering-stuff, Crisis-type).

So yeah, in summary, thoughts? Opinions? Be gentle, please...

Gregory
04-20-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm thinking, other countries are going to start drafting superhumans, probably in an effort to deter US control over the 'superhuman button', so nations all over the world will essentially start stockpiling superhumans as well, building their own superhero armies in case they are ever required (taking what you could refer to as the first steps towards a Superhuman Cold War).

I know I saw post-CW preview pages on Newsrama of Britain and Japan and Africa hosting super teams.

Lanowar
04-20-2007, 12:15 PM
Is'nt the next arc of Mighty Avengers about Doctor Doom detonating a symbiote bomb over New York? Or at least somthing involving Doom, and a whole lot of Symbiotes.

Matt Jay
04-20-2007, 12:15 PM
It does seem like the logical path of where things would go from here. If it does happen, the idea just doesn't excite me.

Ideally, they'd stop with the events for a couple years and leave the creators alone, but given the sales boosts I just don't think that'll happen. I hope they come up with something better than this. No offense, because I think you make a good case for it, it just doesn't get me.

Lanowar
04-20-2007, 12:16 PM
I know I saw post-CW preview pages on Newsrama of Britain and Japan and Africa hosting super teams.

Damage Report says that America is helping Israel start there own superteam as well.

DAVE
04-20-2007, 12:18 PM
Gimp, great ideas, and sounds like a logical progression of current storylines.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:29 PM
I know I saw post-CW preview pages on Newsrama of Britain and Japan and Africa hosting super teams.

Cool.

Canada, of course, will sit it out because they have no real superhero army to speak of, since they've apparently chosen not to go ahead with the Registration Act. :) Filthy Canada!

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Is'nt the next arc of Mighty Avengers about Doctor Doom detonating a symbiote bomb over New York? Or at least somthing involving Doom, and a whole lot of Symbiotes.

I know it'll have something to do with a symbiote invasion in New York (Planet of the Symbiotes, like) but I don't know if it'll involve Dr. Doom. I know Bendis plans to use Doom in a future Mighty Avengers storyline, I just don't know for sure if it's in the next one or not.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:31 PM
Gimp, great ideas, and sounds like a logical progression of current storylines.

Thanks, bud.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:32 PM
Damage Report says that America is helping Israel start there own superteam as well.

Isn't that so very like them. :)

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:34 PM
It does seem like the logical path of where things would go from here. If it does happen, the idea just doesn't excite me.

Ideally, they'd stop with the events for a couple years and leave the creators alone, but given the sales boosts I just don't think that'll happen. I hope they come up with something better than this. No offense, because I think you make a good case for it, it just doesn't get me.

I'm thinking Marvel's next event will probably happen next year or the year after that. If only to give the Initiative stuff to settle in and become the new status quo. So we can sit back and enjoy an 'eventless' MU for a while, at least.

Mister Mets
04-20-2007, 12:45 PM
One big event which I predict will happen in 2-3 years....

Perhaps a Mighty Avengers/ New Avengers crossover.

The Avengers become united again, perhaps leading to Avengers becoming a weekly title (or the Avengers becomes a weekly title with this storyline.)

Major cliffhangers....
Steve Rogers returning,
Steve Rogers donning the Captain America suit once again.
Captain America & Tony Stark making up.
Captain America yelling "Avengers Assemble" to the united Avengers.

Gregory
04-20-2007, 12:49 PM
Major cliffhangers....
Steve Rogers returning,
Steve Rogers donning the Captain America suit once again.
Captain America & Tony Stark making up.
Captain America yelling "Avengers Assemble" to the united Avengers.

You know, they could bring Rogers back if he wakes up in the Valhalla, and Thor escorts him back. Some time may have passed, and it'll be like thawing him out all over again.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 12:55 PM
One big event which I predict will happen in 2-3 years....

Perhaps a Mighty Avengers/ New Avengers crossover.

The Avengers become united again, perhaps leading to Avengers becoming a weekly title (or the Avengers becomes a weekly title with this storyline.)

Major cliffhangers....
Steve Rogers returning,
Steve Rogers donning the Captain America suit once again.
Captain America & Tony Stark making up.
Captain America yelling "Avengers Assemble" to the united Avengers.

Yeah, I was thinking of some way to unify both Avengers teams, but couldn't really come up with one (at least not working from the Superhuman War scenario thingy). Cap's return could do it, definitely.

Then again, I like the idea of there being two Avengers teams. Sort of like West Coast/East Coast but...cooler. Maybe Cap's return wouldn't unify both teams so much as...reconcile them. Make amends. And such. But I love having two teams running around. I love that the Avengers are growing as a franchise like the X-Men did.

Lemonade Lady
04-20-2007, 12:55 PM
It would be refreshing if they did one that was completely self-contained and didn't rely upon tying into past and future continuity. Just a single story with a clear and solid premise and a definitive beginning, middle and end.

Lanowar
04-20-2007, 01:11 PM
An idea I always had was The Hand simply bring Rogers back in there Thrall and the New Avengers have to stop him before he kills Iron Man. The problem being with anything like that is it's basically enemy of the state but with Cap. Still my point remains from an outside view they won't do it but in the MU someone must have suggested to Iron Man they do somthing to stop The Hand from stealing Cap's body.

MIKE D
04-20-2007, 01:16 PM
Those are logical progressions Gimp. How's about this, after your World War of Superheroes occurs: The war goes poorly, the US President decides Stark is going to be his fall guy, not because it was actually his fault, because the want to wrest control of the Initiative from him, turning it into exactly what Steve always feared it would turn into. Rather than allow that to happen, Tony destroys the database, freeing the Marvel heroes from the shackles of the Registration Act. The next big Iron Man arc would then be Tony's trial for treason and the actual outlawing of all super heroes once the genie's out of the bottle.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 01:21 PM
Those are logical progressions Gimp. How's about this, after your World War of Superheroes occurs: The war goes poorly, the US President decides Stark is going to be his fall guy, not because it was actually his fault, because the want to wrest control of the Initiative from him, turning it into exactly what Steve always feared it would turn into. Rather than allow that to happen, Tony destroys the database, freeing the Marvel heroes from the shackles of the Registration Act. The next big Iron Man arc would then be Tony's trial for treason and the actual outlawing of all super heroes once the genie's out of the bottle.

Sounds pretty great, I like that. :thumb: And it's a good idea to get rid of the Initiative status quo and (somewhat) put the genie back in the bottle.

Craig C
04-20-2007, 01:21 PM
An idea I always had was The Hand simply bring Rogers back in there Thrall and the New Avengers have to stop him before he kills Iron Man. The problem being with anything like that is it's basically enemy of the state but with Cap. Still my point remains from an outside view they won't do it but in the MU someone must have suggested to Iron Man they do somthing to stop The Hand from stealing Cap's body.



Make it the Red Skull or Hydra though. The Hand seems to be everywhere anymore let's see more of the old school Marvel terrorist organization's.

MIKE D
04-20-2007, 01:23 PM
Sounds pretty great, I like that. :thumb: And it's a good idea to get rid of the Initiative status quo and (somewhat) put the genie back in the bottle.

We should be co-Editors-in-Chief.

Also, if they wanted to really put the genie back in th bottle, rather than outlaw all superheroes, the law could be crippled and basically un-enforcable, especially if SHIELD is stretched thin in the war. Then the heroes would be back to square one. They'd all be as popular as Spider-Man, but at least they'd be off the government payroll.

Lukis
04-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Still my point remains from an outside view they won't do it but in the MU someone must have suggested to Iron Man they do somthing to stop The Hand from stealing Cap's body.
With the super-soldier serum still bonded to him, I'd lay bets that Cap's body is in some remote, secure bunker (possibly the Neg Zone prison?) with a dozen or more of the top minds peering into his cells. Frankly, I'd love to see the comic where the Hand tries to get the body just to find out it's being protected by an entire platoon of superhumans. We'd get to see just how much fear undead ninjas really have when Mar-Vell starts laying into them!

As for Gimp's ideas, they break down in one all-important key point: Doom would win.

Actually, I'd love for that to happen. Doom gets his iron mitts on those nicely-compiled databases that the various countries of the world has, somehow uses them to control the superhumans, and actually achieves world domination. The only heroes in the clear are unregistered, and save the day. After the smoke clears, Tony is forced to admit that the heroes simply can't be forced to operate only under the SHRA, because there is always going to be someone who doesn't. He then deletes personally deletes the databases. Public support forces the government to make registration optional.

Granted, it needs a little work, but as a skeleton, it's an interesting way to invoke a new status quo without completely negating CW.

Thudpucker
04-20-2007, 01:46 PM
For me thier next big event is Annhilation 2.

Kefky
04-20-2007, 01:53 PM
I know it'll have something to do with a symbiote invasion in New York (Planet of the Symbiotes, like) but I don't know if it'll involve Dr. Doom. I know Bendis plans to use Doom in a future Mighty Avengers storyline, I just don't know for sure if it's in the next one or not.

Actually, Doom is most definitely showing up in the next storyline, but while symbiotes ARE showing up the Bald One's been swearing up and down that it isn't "planet of the symbiotes part 2". Of course, he COULD be just fucking with us. :)


Anyway, lots of good ideas rolling in this thread. Keep it up.

sto110
04-20-2007, 01:57 PM
WWH is a huge event imho

iron man, ghost rider, all avengers books, mini, hulk book, she hulk, frontline, etc

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 02:00 PM
As for Gimp's ideas, they break down in one all-important key point: Doom would win.

I don't really see where you're coming from with that, but...even if he does win, I don't really see how it matters. It still would be a big event, and depending how things go, it could show registration and the Initiative in a very negative light, thereby getting rid of both and returning to the old status quo, which would be a good turn out.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Actually, Doom is most definitely showing up in the next storyline, but while symbiotes ARE showing up the Bald One's been swearing up and down that it isn't "planet of the symbiotes part 2". Of course, he COULD be just fucking with us. :)


Anyway, lots of good ideas rolling in this thread. Keep it up.

I'm looking forward to it, make no mistake. The biggest problem with Planet of the Symbiotes was the execution, not the basic idea. And hey, at least Carnage isn't around anymore to become a giant. :)

Plus there is the Mark Bagley pencils to consider. :drool:

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 02:04 PM
WWH is a huge event imho

iron man, ghost rider, all avengers books, mini, hulk book, she hulk, frontline, etc

While it does involve many, most or all of Marvel's characters, WWH isn't really a 'universe-spanning' event like House of M and Civil War were, in the sense that it only ties into four or five of Marvel's regular ongoing books (Iron Man, Ant-Man, Ghost Rider, Heroes For Hire, Avengers: The Initiative, and I think one more but I'm not sure), and everything else is just miniseries and one-shots that will be launching with the specific intent of tying into the event. In that sense, I'd say it's pretty self-contained. Same goes for the X-Men event (Endangered Species).

Kefky
04-20-2007, 02:07 PM
I'm looking forward to it, make no mistake. The biggest problem with Planet of the Symbiotes was the execution, not the basic idea. And hey, at least Carnage isn't around anymore to become a giant. :)

Plus there is the Mark Bagley pencils to consider. :drool:

:thumb:

I'm kinda worried about the logic of Doom using freaking symbiotes, but I guess we'll see.

Jerome Gibbons
04-20-2007, 02:16 PM
:thumb:

I'm kinda worried about the logic of Doom using freaking symbiotes, but I guess we'll see.

Yeah. I'm sure it'll be entertaining, at least. I also think that's the arc where the Wasp's new powers will debut, assuming the current one ends with #6 (I seem to recall Bendis saying that they would debut in #7). So there's that to look forward to.

John Drake
04-20-2007, 02:19 PM
I like this idea.

Lukis
04-20-2007, 08:17 PM
I don't really see where you're coming from with that, but...even if he does win, I don't really see how it matters. It still would be a big event, and depending how things go, it could show registration and the Initiative in a very negative light, thereby getting rid of both and returning to the old status quo, which would be a good turn out.
How do you not see it? He is DOOM. He wins. :)

In the all-important matter of being able to control all those registered superhumans, Doom has the biggest advantage of all: he IS his country's superhuman population, and he can take on just about any Initiative team single-handed. Toss in his army of robots and ridiculously-advanced arsenal, topped with his brainpower and the ability to pull awe-inspiring inventions almost literally out of his ass, and really, it's a wonder he hasn't already made a move. Honestly, the characters of the Marvel U are so busy trying to get organized right now that it'd be a cakewalk for him.

MIKE D
04-21-2007, 04:26 AM
How do you not see it? He is DOOM. He wins. :)

In the all-important matter of being able to control all those registered superhumans, Doom has the biggest advantage of all: he IS his country's superhuman population, and he can take on just about any Initiative team single-handed. Toss in his army of robots and ridiculously-advanced arsenal, topped with his brainpower and the ability to pull awe-inspiring inventions almost literally out of his ass, and really, it's a wonder he hasn't already made a move. Honestly, the characters of the Marvel U are so busy trying to get organized right now that it'd be a cakewalk for him.

You mean like all the times he's won against the Fantastic Four alone?

Mister Mets
09-15-2007, 08:05 PM
Right, so we know Marvel won't be having a big, universe-spanning event this year, since WWH and Endangered Species seem at this point like they'll be pretty self-contained, affecting mostly their own, respective corners in the Marvel Universe (the Hulk and X-Men franchises). So I'm guessing this will take place next year, or maybe the year after that (it could work pretty nicely this way, actually, for reasons I'll delve into below). I was reading some older comics yesterday, particularly New Avengers, Civil War and Bendis' Secret War. It got me thinking, with the Initiative in place, the US essentially now possesses its own superhuman army to send into international conflicts and such. Granted, not every type of conflict (I reckon you wouldn't see superhumans sent into the Iraq or anything like that), since the state superteams were created to primarily police American states, but the big, world scale stuff, things that are very important and crucial to the nation's interests and those of its political allies (I'm thinking maybe stuff like World Wars and such).

So, I was thinking. How do other nations feel about that? The US already possesses the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world, are they just going to roll over and let them have their own Persons of Mass Destruction as well (stole that from The Ultimates, heh)? Iron Man and agents of SHIELD have commented here and there that while the US is the first country to pass the Superhuman Registration Act, it is expected that other countries will follow suit soon enough, essentially making the US "leaders of the charge", as it were, into the 'new world', one where superhumans are regulated by the government. Well, I'm guessing that's what'll happen, just not in the way they expect. I'm thinking, other countries are going to start drafting superhumans, probably in an effort to deter US control over the 'superhuman button', so nations all over the world will essentially start stockpiling superhumans as well, building their own superhero armies in case they are ever required (taking what you could refer to as the first steps towards a Superhuman Cold War). I realize this all sounds very similar to what has gone on in Mark Millar's Ultimates during the current volume, so here's where the 'regular Marvel U.' stuff kicks in.

Nick Fury's Secret War. The man, with the unwitting help of superhumans, attempted to carry out an assassination plot over the Latverian Prime Minister after finding out that Latveria was funding technological-themed villains in the US, essentially making them terrorists. Fury foresaw an international terrorist attack on a massive scale coming from Latveria towards the US, and took what he considered the right measures to prevent such an occurrence. Now, though we know that Fury's actions eventually blew up in his face and came back to haunt him (in the form of an attack by the not-so-dead Latverian PM aided by the supervillains Latveria was funding), Fury claims (in Secret War #5) that his actions were beneficial, because they delayed the attack for one year (the amount of time that went on between the assassination plot and the Latverian PM's attack on American soil), and that defeating the PM the way the heroes did in Secret War #5 probably delayed another attack for another year.

Well, taking Fury's words at heart, here's what I think is going to happen. Approximately one year from now, there is going to be another attack on American soil, most likely by Latveria and/or one/some of its allies. The difference is, in the wake of Civil War, these countries will have stockpiled their own superhuman armies, and will send them on a mass scale to attack the US. The US will respond in kind with its own superhero arsenal, essentially (going by Marvel's theme of 'War', compare to DC's 'Crisis') kickstarting a massive superhuman international war, a World War, maybe. The Initiative in place, Iron Man will be leading the charge on behalf of the Americans. The unregistered heroes (New Avengers, Young Avengers, New Warriors, etc.) will, of course, join in, and the X-Men may or may not participate depending on how busy they are, same goes for the Hulk. I'm guessing Atlantis and Wakanda will be part of the US' allied forces, Nick Fury will play his part (all the while telling everyone that he told them so) and maybe even be reinstated as Director of SHIELD by the end. There will be a new Captain America, created by Tony as a symbol with much the same purposes as the original was created in WWII, and...some other stuff. I haven't had a lot of time to think about it all.

So, uh...assuming any of you read all that and didn't fall asleep, what do you think? I haven't had time to think up more wacky stuff that might happen at the moment, but I think this can provide a decent groundwork for an event by Marvel, particularly since the current administration seems to be fond of the notion of the MU as a 'real place' where 'real' things happen (as opposed to massive reality altering-stuff, Crisis-type).

So yeah, in summary, thoughts? Opinions? Be gentle, please...
This would be a bigger version of Ultimates 2, but could be really really cool. Trying to think of the right creative team. You need a writer who can be compressed (which is why I'm not considering Brubaker) and a fantastic artist, capable of drawing foreign locations/ any superhero.
Ideal writer= Dan Slott (just think he'd be the best guy for this type of project, aside from Millar, who already did it in Ultimates 2.)
Ideal artist= John Cassady


Yeah, I was thinking of some way to unify both Avengers teams, but couldn't really come up with one (at least not working from the Superhuman War scenario thingy). Cap's return could do it, definitely.

Then again, I like the idea of there being two Avengers teams. Sort of like West Coast/East Coast but...cooler. Maybe Cap's return wouldn't unify both teams so much as...reconcile them. Make amends. And such. But I love having two teams running around. I love that the Avengers are growing as a franchise like the X-Men did.
I think there will eventually be one Avengers team. When that happens, the Avengers is going to become a weekly or almost weekly book. It's almost there already (New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, The Initiative mini-series. Add three fill-in solo stories, one villain spotlight, and one Marvels type story of how an ordinary man was affected by the Avengers and you've got 36 issues.)

Jerome Gibbons
09-15-2007, 08:11 PM
This would be a bigger version of Ultimates 2, but could be really really cool. Trying to think of the right creative team. You need a writer who can be compressed (which is why I'm not considering Brubaker) and a fantastic artist, capable of drawing foreign locations/ any superhero.
Ideal writer= Dan Slott (just think he'd be the best guy for this type of project, aside from Millar, who already did it in Ultimates 2.)
Ideal artist= John Cassady
If they did something like this, I'd LOVE to have Warren Ellis on it, even though he'd never do it.

Foolish Mortal
09-15-2007, 08:19 PM
In light of recent revelations, (The Skrull infiltration) it makes even more sense for nations to begin organizing and training superhero teams. There may be a full scale invasion on the horizon.