Diabetics cured by stem-cell treatment!

[NATE!]

Fucking. A.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece

Not sure if this is a long term thing, but it's good news nonetheless.

[Ryan Elliott]

Fuck yes!! Step in the RIGHT mother fucking direction!!!

[Foolish Mortal]

Well this is definitely going to throw more gasoline on the fire.

There have been skeptics that felt that the Stem-Cell potential was exaggerated. But this is a substantial breakthrough. One that can't be ignored.

[En Sabah Poo]

Seems to be just a theory to me. I have no actual knowledge of science to base that on, but I choose to believe it anyway. There's no need to investigate this further, and anyone that believes it is just falling for the hype.

[NATE!]

Seems to be just a theory to me. I have no actual knowledge of science to base that on, but I choose to believe it anyway. There's no need to investigate this further, and anyone that believes it is just falling for the hype.

Did you read the article?

[En Sabah Poo]

Did you read the article?

Who needs to read when I have unsupported opinion?

[Magnum V.I.]

Seems to be just a theory to me. I have no actual knowledge of science to base that on, but I choose to believe it anyway. There's no need to investigate this further, and anyone that believes it is just falling for the hype.

....Did you read the Article?

If this experiment can be recreated several times over, by independent scientists, it starts to become less Theory and More Fact. This is Step one.

[The Human Target]

Abortion is the devil!

[Hock]

Fuck Yeah. More research needs to be done with aborted fetuses.

Is it Fetuses? or Feti?

[NATE!]

Who needs to read when I have unsupported opinion?

Yeah. You fail at sarcasm. Epic fail, even.

[Ryan Elliott]

It still pisses me the fuck off that we have CURES for crippling diseases now, and the only thing stopping us from USING these cures is arguing about whether aborting feti is right or wrong.


I just can't fathom it. It's mind-boggling.

[The Human Target]

It still pisses me the fuck off that we have CURES for crippling diseases now, and the only thing stopping us from USING these cures is arguing about whether aborting feti is right or wrong.


I just can't fathom it. It's mind-boggling.

People are dumb.


I'd wager 99% of them would pull a Nancy Regan and switch sides if someone they loved would be stricken with horrible psychical ailments.

[batmanbooyah]

Fuck Yeah. More research needs to be done with aborted fetuses.

Is it Fetuses? or Feti?



isn't that a cheese?

[Jeremy M]

I read this article earlier tonight and I'm confused (not the first time). I don't see what this has to do with embryonic stem cell research. Did it not say the stem cells were taken from the patients' own blood? If so, I don't see where this says anything about the more controversial stem cell research.

[batmanbooyah]

I read this article earlier tonight and I'm confused (not the first time). I don't see what this has to do with embryonic stem cell research. Did it not say the stem cells were taken from the patients' own blood? If so, I don't see where this says anything about the more controversial stem cell research.



it's controversial because the act of using stem cells is producing results, which will lead people to campaign for the wider use of various types of stem cells.

[Foolish Mortal]

it's controversial because the act of using stem cells is producing results, which will lead people to campaign for the wider use of various types of stem cells.
Precisely.

[Jeremy M]

it's controversial because the act of using stem cells is producing results, which will lead people to campaign for the wider use of various types of stem cells.

I don't know...to me this is apples and oranges. I just don't see how you can read this article and draw a single conclusion regarding embryonic stem cell research.

[half guard]

isn't that a cheese?

that's feta; and while it does look some what like an aborted fetus, it tastes MUCH better. love it in my salads.

[David Aspmo]

Um, is everybody here aware that there's no abortion involved in embriotic stem cell research?

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David Aspmo

[Foolish Mortal]

I don't know...to me this is apples and oranges. I just don't see how you can read this article and draw a single conclusion regarding embryonic stem cell research.
Because embryonic stem cells are much more "potent" than other types. So if we get good results with the adult stem cells, then the results from embryonic cells could be phenomenal.

[bairdduvessa]

interesting. i guess we will know in 10 years or so if the solution/treatment lasts a long time

[NATE!]

Um, is everybody here aware that there's no abortion involved in embriotic stem cell research?



You sound disappointed.

[David Aspmo]

You sound disappointed.
:lol:

I guess I'll clarify, just to be safe: the words "abortion" and "fetus" have appeared in this thread, and I can't quite tell what level of irony that was done with.

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David Aspmo

[Hock]

:lol:

I guess I'll clarify, just to be safe: the words "abortion" and "fetus" have appeared in this thread, and I can't quite tell what level of irony that was done with.

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David Aspmo

There's no abortions, but there are Feti. Okay, there aren't really Feti either because the eggs are still in the embryonic stage when they do stem cell research (I think). But considering the moral arguments, the term Fetus is appropriate enough.

[David Aspmo]

There's no abortions, but there are Feti. Okay, there aren't really Feti either because the eggs are still in the embryonic stage when they do stem cell research (I think). But considering the moral arguments, the term Fetus is appropriate enough.
The circumstances in which the embryos are generated are significantly different from an abortion, though.

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David Aspmo

[Magnum V.I.]

The circumstances in which the embryos are generated are significantly different from an abortion, though.

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David Aspmo

Did someone say abortion! :shifty:

Step into my cheap clinic....

[Hock]

The circumstances in which the embryos are generated are significantly different from an abortion, though.

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David Aspmo

To me and you, yes. To people opposed to Stem Cell research, not really. To them it's still ending a life.


Did someone say abortion! :shifty:

Step into my cheap clinic....

:nonono2:
Don't start that in here.

[Magnum V.I.]

:nonono2:
Don't start that in here.

Why Not :(

[Hock]

Why Not :(

I don't know? I'm just being an ass.

[THWIP!]

Yeah, but for type one. Fuck that.



(and before i get shit on, i have type 2 and know people with type one, just a joke folks.)

[David Aspmo]

To me and you, yes. To people opposed to Stem Cell research, not really. To them it's still ending a life.
Well, I have to wonder why we don't often hear those people protesting with the same vigor against the in vitro fertilization which is the actual reason so many potential lives will end up lost.

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David Aspmo

[Magnum V.I.]

I don't know? I'm just being an ass.

:nonono2:

Yeah well, don't make me give you a nick name. :mad:

[Caley Tibbittz]

Yeah. You fail at sarcasm. Epic fail, even.

Feh. I love a good deadpan.

[Hock]

Well, I have to wonder why we don't often hear those people protesting with the same vigor against the in vitro fertilization which is the actual reason so many potential lives will end up lost.

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David Aspmo

I think that the poeple against stem cell research and in virto fertilization are all against abortions, but not all the people against abortions are also against stem cell research and in virto fertilization

[Jerome Gibbons]

Science is cool.

[David Aspmo]

I think that the poeple against stem cell research and in virto fertilization are all against abortions, but not all the people against abortions are also against stem cell research and in virto fertilization
Which kind of speaks to why I felt that the word "abortion" appearing in this thread was odd.

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David Aspmo

[Finncognito]

It's fetuses, not feti.

[TheKraken]

To me and you, yes. To people opposed to Stem Cell research, not really. To them it's still ending a life.


The thing that gets me is the proposed research would be conducted on surplus fetuses. Bush is protecting those fetuses, which, when they go unused, are destroyed anyway. Bush would rather those fetuses be destroyed because they've outlived their freshness date than used in stem cell research. How hot is that?

[Ben]

Who needs to read when I have unsupported opinion?
No one got your joke.

[Foolish Mortal]

Well, I have to wonder why we don't often hear those people protesting with the same vigor against the in vitro fertilization which is the actual reason so many potential lives will end up lost.

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David Aspmo
Yes it silly isn't it? The vast majority of those eggs are going to be destroyed anyway. But the people opposed to the research would rather see them destroyed pointlessly rather than them being used to save people's lives.

I don't get it. :crazy:

[Juggernaut]

my uncle is pre-diabetic and a couple of other family members are type 2. So this kind of news is great. 2nd can't embryonic stem cells now be obtained through the umbilical cord?

[Meteornotes]

This is good news. I would love to be able to throw my needles away. I really hope there's a cure in my lifetime.

dt

[Jef UK]

It still pisses me the fuck off that we have CURES for crippling diseases now, and the only thing stopping us from USING these cures is arguing about whether aborting feti is right or wrong.


I just can't fathom it. It's mind-boggling.

I know. And whether or not aborting fetuses is right or wrong isn't even at issue, as we procure the stem cells from already aborted fetuses, but do not abort fetuses to procure stem cells.

[Fourthman]

I dunno. Isn't this only good for Scientologists?

[Jerome Gibbons]

No one got your joke.

I got it!

[Ryan Walsh]

This is good news. I would love to be able to throw my needles away. I really hope there's a cure in my lifetime.

dt

Talk to your doctor and see if there's a chance to get on a test study? Lab results are one thing, and as promising as they sound what ultimately counts are the human trials. Might be scary, but it might also be great.

And one more nit-picky annoying thing, at this point the idea is hypothesis. Scientists hypothesize that stem cells can be used to treat and cure type 1 diabetes. When they run multiple trials that support the hypothesis, it'll be theory. I think there are maybe 4 things in science that are considered actual fact. Doctors and scientists are real wusses when it comes to saying anything definite.

[DrMachine]

Seems to be just a theory to me. I have no actual knowledge of science to base that on, but I choose to believe it anyway. There's no need to investigate this further, and anyone that believes it is just falling for the hype.

NICE!

[DrMachine]

Talk to your doctor and see if there's a chance to get on a test study? Lab results are one thing, and as promising as they sound what ultimately counts are the human trials. Might be scary, but it might also be great.

And one more nit-picky annoying thing, at this point the idea is hypothesis. Scientists hypothesize that stem cells can be used to treat and cure type 1 diabetes. When they run multiple trials that support the hypothesis, it'll be theory. I think there are maybe 4 things in science that are considered actual fact. Doctors and scientists are real wusses when it comes to saying anything definite.

1. This appears to have been a human trial

2. Nothing is definite

[ZombieSpeedball]

Choice. Especially since one of my good friends is Diabetic.

[David Aspmo]

The thing that gets me is the proposed research would be conducted on surplus fetuses. Bush is protecting those fetuses, which, when they go unused, are destroyed anyway. Bush would rather those fetuses be destroyed because they've outlived their freshness date than used in stem cell research. How hot is that?


I know. And whether or not aborting fetuses is right or wrong isn't even at issue, as we procure the stem cells from already aborted fetuses, but do not abort fetuses to procure stem cells.
Again, they aren't fetuses. They're embryos. Those are different things. And there was no abortion involved. It needlessly complicates the issue to use those words.

(And, on the other end of the spectrum, embryos aren't just eggs either.)

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David Aspmo

[Ryan Walsh]

1. This appears to have been a human trial
Got me there. 13 out of 15 is a good start, but it'll take a lot more studies before this becomes a recognized treatment.


2. Nothing is definite
The only rule with no exceptions is that every rule has exceptions. Did that just blow your mind????????? :crazy:

[DrMachine]

The only rule with no exceptions is that every rule has exceptions. Did that just blow your mind????????? :crazy:

No, because that is what I wrote in my post.

[Jef UK]

Again, they aren't fetuses. They're embryos. Those are different things. And there was no abortion involved. It needlessly complicates the issue to use those words.

(And, on the other end of the spectrum, embryos aren't just eggs either.)

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David Aspmo

You're right, my bad. Absolutely.

[Ryan Walsh]

No, because that is what I wrote in my post.

Yeah...well...um... awesome!

[Rosdower 3.0]

Fucking. A.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article1637528.ece

Not sure if this is a long term thing, but it's good news nonetheless.

fucking amazing. this made my day. Thanks for posting!