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CraigM
03-15-2007, 06:47 PM
From E! Online's Kristin (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=6bcc5753-bc66-41f4-8283-131667132231)


The day weíve all dreaded has come, tubers.


With actual tears in my eyes, I must tell you that Iíve heard from several solid sources that the CW has decided not to bring Veronica Mars back for a fourth season.


Though official word has not yet come down from the network, I did hear from creator Rob Thomas earlier this week, who told me things werenít looking good: ďIíve never been less certain of our fate. Iím afraid Iíve gone from cautiously optimistic to something less than that.Ē


More on this later. Iím just too distraught to write more right now.

Damn.

Craig

Jerome Gibbons
03-15-2007, 06:48 PM
Ah, that's too bad.

naclone
03-15-2007, 06:49 PM
hooker

Thudpucker
03-15-2007, 06:49 PM
:cry:

Bill?
03-15-2007, 06:50 PM
well shit! :-x

greg donovan
03-15-2007, 06:51 PM
what sort of clever name will the fans that try to save the show give themselves?

Martians?

xanderharris
03-15-2007, 06:51 PM
FUCK. FUCk. FUCk. :( :( :( FUCK.

UltimateQuintessa
03-15-2007, 06:51 PM
Ha...Ha!

Ray G.
03-15-2007, 06:53 PM
The first two seasons were some of the most perfect TV I've ever seen.

The third season was an utter mess, and I'm glad it's been put out of it's misery. Another fantastic teen show that couldn't make the transition.

Lyfeforce
03-15-2007, 06:53 PM
hm. guess the price on the box sets will go down now?

Bill?
03-15-2007, 06:54 PM
what sort of clever name will the fans that try to save the show give themselves?

Martians?

I think "Cloud Watchers" was the name they had the last time they tried.

Dark Sasha
03-15-2007, 06:55 PM
Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Ryan F
03-15-2007, 06:56 PM
The first two seasons were some of the most perfect TV I've ever seen.

The third season was an utter mess, and I'm glad it's been put out of it's misery. Another fantastic teen show that couldn't make the transition.

The first arc of the third season was pretty bad, but the second arc was fantastic.

This was probably my favorite show on network tv. :(

xyzzy
03-15-2007, 06:56 PM
That's too bad, but to be honest, the wife and I were really losing interest in this third season.

xanderharris
03-15-2007, 06:57 PM
The first two seasons were some of the most perfect TV I've ever seen.

The third season was an utter mess, and I'm glad it's been put out of it's misery. Another fantastic teen show that couldn't make the transition.

Ray i like you and respect you a lot......but you are way off base......This season wasnt as good ........but it didnt need to be "put out of its misery" :mad:

CapnChaos
03-15-2007, 06:57 PM
FUCK!
:x

Supajoe
03-15-2007, 06:57 PM
goddammit

Brad N.
03-15-2007, 07:01 PM
Damn, this is going to make lotsa folks here sad. I never cared much for it, but I can respect the fans and how they feel. Too bad.

greg donovan
03-15-2007, 07:03 PM
I think "Cloud Watchers" was the name they had the last time they tried.

:mistrust: WTF is a "cloud watcher"?

Bill?
03-15-2007, 07:04 PM
:mistrust: WTF is a "cloud watcher"?

i dont know. i think it had something to do with sky writing or something.

UltimateQuintessa
03-15-2007, 07:07 PM
Damn, this is going to make lotsa folks here sad. I never cared much for it, but I can respect the fans and how they feel. Too bad.

Where were these kind words when the O.C. got canceled.
I'd never seen so much hate in one thread. Ok that's a lie I have but that was before the fascist rules were put in. As they say though what goes around comes around.

dimeshop
03-15-2007, 07:09 PM
Bummer.

I know the ratings were not great, but the CW has been unable to launch any new hour long drama. If it was on the bubble, I think this wasn't the best move for them.

Ray G.
03-15-2007, 07:12 PM
Ray i like you and respect you a lot......but you are way off base......This season wasnt as good ........but it didnt need to be "put out of its misery" :mad:

I miss the show I loved the last two years.

I'm sorry for all the fans who have still been loving it, though. I was really pulling for it, but it just doesn't surprise me. I hope there's a new Everwood or something else great waiting in the wings to replace it, but I sadly doubt it.

Amos Moses
03-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Look on the brightside, maybe Kirsten Bell will go into porn to pay the bills.

Albert
03-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Ah crap. And it's not like The CW has anything else in the pipeline...

...this is upsetting.

Although it's not like Kristin is always right. I'm not going to panic until I hear it from the Ask Ausiellos of the world.

Tom Burgos
03-15-2007, 07:14 PM
The first two seasons were some of the most perfect TV I've ever seen.

The third season was an utter mess, and I'm glad it's been put out of it's misery. Another fantastic teen show that couldn't make the transition.



As a lover of strong female protagonists, I have to ask...what exactly made this show so perfect?
I hear so many raves and I am scared of trying this show, cuz the commercials and the few scenes I seen make it look to me like some sort of silly Buffy Meets Nancy Drew mashup.
(and yes, I despised Buffy with the force of a thousand suns)


Could this show be enjoyed by someone who hated Buffy?

Masculine Todd
03-15-2007, 07:18 PM
I could never get into this show, but I still am saddened that such a beloved tv drama is ending.

Now update me on Studio 60, dammit!

Chris McCarver
03-15-2007, 07:18 PM
Sweet merciful crap. Shannon's gonna hate this...

Ray G.
03-15-2007, 07:18 PM
As a lover of strong female protagonists, I have to ask...what exactly made this show so perfect?
I hear so many raves and I am scared of trying this show, cuz the commercials and the few scenes I seen make it look to me like some sort of silly Buffy Meets Nancy Drew mashup.
(and yes, I despised Buffy with the force of a thousand suns)


Could this show be enjoyed by someone who hated Buffy?

Absolutely. I would actually say that VM seasons one and two are the anti-Buffy. This is coming from someone who loved Buffy the show but disliked Buffy the lead character.

Veronica Mars is about a smart, determined girl who had a lot of bad things happen to her, but is determined to seek justice by using her brain and wits. Her relationship with her PI father is a real highlight of the show, and she has a great group of supporting players too. The show has a much harsher, noirish feel as opposed to most teen dramas, and the first two seasons have fantastic season-long mystery storyarcs.

Kefky
03-15-2007, 07:19 PM
Look on the brightside, maybe Kirsten Bell will go into porn to pay the bills.

:rock:

:scared:

Brandon191
03-15-2007, 07:22 PM
This sucks!

Albert
03-15-2007, 07:24 PM
I miss the show I loved the last two years.

I'm sorry for all the fans who have still been loving it, though. I was really pulling for it, but it just doesn't surprise me. I hope there's a new Everwood or something else great waiting in the wings to replace it, but I sadly doubt it.

The first arc wasn't great, but I think everything past that was right up there with the first two seasons. And just because it wasn't COMPLETELY great, doens't mean they couldn't rebound - season four of Buffy wasn't all that, but I really liked five.

Man. What a bummer.

Gregory
03-15-2007, 07:24 PM
My local UPN/CW/WB affiliate stations broadcast all their shows murky. It's as if they make my TV run on 60% screen power. I tried to watch Veronica Mars, and it was like watching a third-generation bootleg. I didn't try it again. I haven't watched those stations in ages.

PhoenixFactor
03-15-2007, 07:26 PM
This bites. I hate the CW now. Just an odd note, if you click on the link at the start of the thread it brings you to this article. But if you go Eonline and try to find it its not there. Wonder what that means. Maybe its not 100%? Fingers crossed. These execs are assholes to cancel this after the heat they took for everwood last year.

If your a fan sign it!
http://www.saveveronicamars.tv

Hock
03-15-2007, 07:34 PM
:cry:

xyzzy
03-15-2007, 07:34 PM
As a lover of strong female protagonists, I have to ask...what exactly made this show so perfect?
I hear so many raves and I am scared of trying this show, cuz the commercials and the few scenes I seen make it look to me like some sort of silly Buffy Meets Nancy Drew mashup.
(and yes, I despised Buffy with the force of a thousand suns)


Could this show be enjoyed by someone who hated Buffy?

Depends on the reasons you hated Buffy.

Master Jack Rabbitt
03-15-2007, 07:37 PM
Hrm. I tried this show this season... didn't click.

Drkemerld73
03-15-2007, 07:37 PM
I just wanted to stop my and offer my condolences.

I know many of you are fans of the show and it was highly regarded around here.

Another well written show bites the dust. :(

CapnChaos
03-15-2007, 07:45 PM
:mistrust: WTF is a "cloud watcher"?

I didn't know about the term, but I would assume it's in regards to how some fans hired a plane to fly a message promoting it being renewed for the inaugural CW season.

Natty P
03-15-2007, 07:50 PM
I hope they make a fitting ending this season.

Yannick_B
03-15-2007, 07:56 PM
As a lover of strong female protagonists, I have to ask...what exactly made this show so perfect?
I hear so many raves and I am scared of trying this show, cuz the commercials and the few scenes I seen make it look to me like some sort of silly Buffy Meets Nancy Drew mashup.
(and yes, I despised Buffy with the force of a thousand suns)


Could this show be enjoyed by someone who hated Buffy?

Its a really well done show--each week has a cool little "whodunnit?" case which is hard enough to do well but was always pretty interesting.
But it flowed with the seasonal arc.
Kirsten Bell was charismatic as hell in her role.

Yorick Brown
03-15-2007, 07:57 PM
hooker

I concur.

Steve Marshall
03-15-2007, 08:01 PM
That sucks. VM is a great show. :(

Jonny Z
03-15-2007, 08:05 PM
hopefully they get to give us a nice ending at least :( :( :(

alexia
03-15-2007, 08:23 PM
The first two seasons were some of the most perfect TV I've ever seen.

The third season was an utter mess, and I'm glad it's been put out of it's misery. Another fantastic teen show that couldn't make the transition.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the only show that I know that was successful w/ the transition from high school to life after high school. Does anyone know of any other shows that was successful in such a transition?

Jef UK
03-15-2007, 08:28 PM
It was only on for three seasons?

Matt C. Linton
03-15-2007, 08:35 PM
As much as I love the show, I can't get too worked up about it. I'm just at the point where as long as I can get a season or two of great TV on DVD, that's good enough for me.

BGPu
03-15-2007, 08:57 PM
I picked up the season 1 DVD set for cheap and my girlfriend and I were hooked. She really felt that Veronica Mars was the best written female character on TV since Buffy.

Season 3 hasn't been as strong as the first 2, but it was still one of the best hours of TV you could watch a week.

Undoubtedly the CW will replace it with a contest reality show about people trying to become the next great something or other, or a drama about sexy teens having sex with each other. Because there aren't enough shows like that already...

Special Agent Bachman
03-15-2007, 09:06 PM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?

The Human Target
03-15-2007, 09:20 PM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?

I just don't understand why more people don't like you.

Its a mystery.

Anyway, I'm sad.

VM was a good show.

After sitting though Cliche's Anatomy and October Road tonight, I am extra sad.

Casali
03-15-2007, 09:22 PM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the only show that I know that was successful w/ the transition from high school to life after high school. Does anyone know of any other shows that was successful in such a transition?

Saved by the Bell?

Master Jack Rabbitt
03-15-2007, 09:23 PM
I just don't understand why more people don't like you.

Its a mystery.

Anyway, I'm sad.

VM was a good show.

After sitting though Cliche's Anatomy and October Road tonight, I am extra sad.

You could've gone with the option I did tonight: no television. :cool:

BWC Boston
03-15-2007, 09:23 PM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?
I've PMed you a list of shows, movies, bands, foods and things that I like. Whenever you could get back to me with which ones I'm allowed to talk about, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Humphrey_Lee
03-15-2007, 09:25 PM
That does really suck, but I only watch it in DVD form and it only really comes to the forefront of my brainspace once a year when a set comes out. Still though, gonna hurt when I finish watching this newest season and realize there's no more comin....

The Human Target
03-15-2007, 09:29 PM
You could've gone with the option I did tonight: no television. :cool:

I was pissy all day, and decided to watch Grey's Anatomy cause it was on my Tivo and October Road cause its new and I watch so few shows anymore.

I would have been better off doing nothing.

Master Jack Rabbitt
03-15-2007, 09:31 PM
I was pissy all day, and decided to watch Grey's Anatomy cause it was on my Tivo and October Road cause its new and I watch so few shows anymore.

I would have been better off doing nothing.

I tried to watch some of Grey's Anatomy with the girlfriend this season, but... :sick:
I was curious about October Road, but as happens more often than not I completely forgot to think about what shows might be on tonight.

artimoff
03-15-2007, 09:34 PM
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Humphrey_Lee
03-15-2007, 09:35 PM
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Heh. That's the same reaction I had the last time we had a Presidential election here... of course, I was outside in the street yelling it...

Captain Sensation
03-15-2007, 09:49 PM
hm. guess the price on the box sets will go down now?

hopefully, ive never seen this show, waiting for a collection of some sort to become available at a price im willing to pay in the event that i hate it.

Ryan F
03-15-2007, 09:54 PM
Hmmm, well, I think the network tv renaissance is just about over then...

And with Rome, Deadwood, The Wire, and The Sopranos all almost done...maybe I'll finally catch up on some movies.

Corwin: Bear Fighter
03-15-2007, 09:58 PM
This means there won't be any more threads about the show, right?

Mikie
03-15-2007, 10:10 PM
I tried to watch some of Grey's Anatomy with the girlfriend this season, but... :sick:
I was curious about October Road, but as happens more often than not I completely forgot to think about what shows might be on tonight.

Right after the show you watched tonight...on the same station...:razz:

ReporterSteven
03-15-2007, 10:23 PM
Or you can look at what the same writer posted a couple hours later...

Honestly. Sometimes Blogs suck big time; posting rumors that never get corrected.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=75a31622-f0e6-4166-be21-798de6671716

Veronica Mars: Update on Cancellation Rumors
By Kristin Veitch
Mar 15, 2007 10:11 PM

You may have seen my earlier report that Veronica Mars has been canceled.

Well, let me just say that though I heard this heart-wrenching info in a definitive fashion from six--yes, six--reliable sources on both the network and studio side...that news may have been somewhat misguided. Although this "cancellation" rumor ran rampant around all sectors of Hollywood today, it turns out the picture is more complex than a straight canceled-or-not-canceled scenario.

At this hour, here's what I can tell you:

I just heard from Veronica mastermind and showrunner Rob Thomas, who tells me, "If we're cancelled, I certainly don't know about it."

Mikie
03-15-2007, 10:26 PM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?

I never understood why people feel the need to go out of their way to bash something they don't like as opposed to checking out any of the other threads here. Like it's so difficult to ignore those threads. If you don't like something on television, why can't you simply change the channel or *gasp* turn off the television? Is it really such a bother for networks to have programing for someone other than you? Can the rest of the country have a turn?

The Human Target
03-15-2007, 10:26 PM
I hope it does in fact come back.


If for no other reason than to piss off the people who evidently can't stand the two threads a week about VM.

Yet are seemingly not bothered by the 40k a week threads on Captain America, New Avengers, etc.

Jacob Lyon Goddard
03-15-2007, 10:28 PM
meh
*shrug*

BWC Boston
03-15-2007, 10:44 PM
I have never watched this show, but now I am really pulling for it's continued existence just to upset those who took the time to enter this thread just to tell us how little they care or, even better, how glad they are that a show you guys like will no longer be made.

JamesV
03-15-2007, 10:48 PM
I have never watched this show, but now I am really pulling for it's continued existence just to upset those who took the time to enter this thread just to tell us how little they care or, even better, how glad they are that a show you guys like will no longer be made.

This has become my exact feeling on the subject.

I hope it gets aired every night now. Like Deal or No Deal. I wanna see a thousand threads about it!

THWIP!
03-15-2007, 11:17 PM
I just want a good ending to the show. If you were watching since season1 this was expected sooner or later. The fact that it got 3 seasons is a just luck on the shows part. I'll miss it when it's gone but better shows have had shorter runs.

Knightspider
03-15-2007, 11:43 PM
I just want a good ending to the show. If you were watching since season1 this was expected sooner or later. The fact that it got 3 seasons is a just luck on the shows part. I'll miss it when it's gone but better shows have had shorter runs.


if anything we should get a good send off, my friend will be sad if this turns out to be true its one of the few things she bothers turning on the tv for and she likes talking to me about it after ever show

this season has felt like its been on the edge since the begining of the season

if it does continue we my get half of the 4th season

elry
03-15-2007, 11:56 PM
herc had a post about this over at aintitcool, he referenced a story from the hollywood reporter that claims one idea rob thomas had would jump a few years into the future with veronica going to fbi academy like clarice from 'silence of the lambs's

UltimateFactor
03-16-2007, 02:28 AM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the only show that I know that was successful w/ the transition from high school to life after high school. Does anyone know of any other shows that was successful in such a transition?

Saved By The Bell? :shifty: :ninja:

naclone
03-16-2007, 03:09 AM
interesting development...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ic85c5d7c8fb9be4601ee8c9e765e10d5

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 03:09 AM
This sucks ass!

The Afroman
03-16-2007, 03:22 AM
They cancel this but keep crap like Smallville going.....UGH..

Fuck:angry:

dougmac
03-16-2007, 03:58 AM
I love this show, but it really has suffered since moving to the CW and having its budget slashed. Her supporting characters don't get enough screen time because they can't pay them and it has really hurt the quality of the program. Also, if they go ahead with this time warp idea it seems like the show will only get worse. I'd rather have it go out on top like Angel did than to limp along with a craptastic 4th season

Seltzer Water
03-16-2007, 03:58 AM
interesting development...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ic85c5d7c8fb9be4601ee8c9e765e10d5

her at the FBI academy might be cool for next season, but hopefully not cheesy

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 04:04 AM
her at the FBI academy might be cool for next season, but hopefully not cheesy

It would be interesting to say the least, but it would be hard to write in any of the supporting cast. Plus I'm sure the FBI would frown upon a trainee solving crimes on her downtime, particularly in the manner that Veronica usually does it.

naclone
03-16-2007, 04:21 AM
her at the FBI academy might be cool for next season, but hopefully not cheesy

what i potentially like about this solution is that it could incorporate a strength of the first season. the series started about a year after V's life went to shit. so we start off with her as an outcast, her best friend killed months ago, etc. it's through flashback that we find out what happened to her since she used to be the popular girl. and that was all good stuff that helped build the central mystery.

similarly, a flash forward 3 years provides the opportunity to wreak havok in V's life again. maybe season 3 ends with her dad as sheriff once again, Veronica starting an internship at FBI and the Mars' lives back in order. fast forward to 3 years later and something has clearly changed with Veronica (maybe something wiht Keith or Logan) and we sort of find out what happened through flashback again. this also brings the story more squarely on Veronica which was missing since the first season.

I think it could work.

Lord Jermaine Retail
03-16-2007, 04:23 AM
I geniunely loved that show and the characters. Sure the current season wasn't the best plot-wise, but for me the characters carried it. Terrible news as yet another thing that I appreciate is deemed not good enough. I hate the opiates of the uninformed masses. Hate.

JABSEN
03-16-2007, 04:26 AM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?


This means there won't be any more threads about the show, right?Maybe I'm missing something but has the board ever been swamped with VM threads? It's usually one..for the new episode airing that day:-?






Ah, well this news sucks.

Ray G.
03-16-2007, 05:11 AM
Hm. The twist sounds intriguing, but I don't know....

The interesting thing is that One Tree Hill(which is an extremely underrated popcorn show, and fuck the haters) is thinking about doing the exact same thing - jumping forward five years to avoid the awkward college stories.

CraigM
03-16-2007, 05:21 AM
Yeah, if they jumped three years into the future, that would be awesome I think.

Craig

SteveZegers
03-16-2007, 05:40 AM
That's a shame. I got into this show pretty late, but I do like it.

artimoff
03-16-2007, 06:51 AM
This means there won't be any more threads about the show, right?

Just like there wern't any Buffy threads between the time it ended & the comic came out. Right?

Blane
03-16-2007, 06:56 AM
Balls. That's stupid. Eff CW.

Shannon Chenoweth
03-16-2007, 07:11 AM
Son of a bitch! I LOVE this show damn it!

:( :( :(

JeremyDale
03-16-2007, 07:14 AM
This is terrible news! I LOVE this show. Probably my favorite tv show on the air.

- jeremy

LenNWallace
03-16-2007, 07:32 AM
Wow... On the exact same day that Netflix finally decides to ship out the first disc of the first season of a show I've been meaning to start watching, this happens.

I suck @ teevee...

dougmac
03-16-2007, 07:39 AM
Wow... On the exact same day that Netflix finally decides to ship out the first disc of the first season of a show I've been meaning to start watching, this happens.

I suck @ teevee...

it's all your fault. you didn't watch the single episodes and waited for the trade:)

Boris the Blade
03-16-2007, 08:47 AM
Veronica could have figured it out.

Were she not cancelled.

So, uh, Kristen needs regular work so I can keep swooning over her on a regular basis. She's so cute it's obscene. It's like a puppy fucked a cute widdle duckling and kittens delivered the baby.

YouStayClassy
03-16-2007, 08:53 AM
*insert wrist slitting icon here*

There is absolutely no justice in this world. Maybe they'll replace Veronica Mars with a show about cops or doctors or spies of CSI agents... we can only hope!

:(

chamber715
03-16-2007, 08:58 AM
Yeah, if they jumped three years into the future, that would be awesome I think.

Craig

I think it makes the show a lot less interesting. If they did flash forward to her time in the FBI, what makes the show any different from every other procedural out there?

Ben
03-16-2007, 09:11 AM
Whoa, I just heard it's going to be renewed for 100000000 seasons!!!!

artimoff
03-16-2007, 09:13 AM
I would think having season 4 take place durring sofmore year and freshman year in the FBI would be cool. A good writer could make that wicked cool.

Mack, Wallice & the gang would hang out with Veronica in college, and when bugget demands they not be in the episode, you flash to the present with her in the FBI.

Mister Mets
03-16-2007, 09:15 AM
That sucks.

Good fucking show.
Even with the third season.

xanderharris
03-16-2007, 09:47 AM
Finally. I'm so glad I won't have to hear about this stupid fucking show anymore. I never understood why there was so much geek love for this show. :-?


This means there won't be any more threads about the show, right?

stupid comments like this is why I sometimes hate this board.

yea cause the board is definitely flooded with veronica mars posts all the time :roll:

god forbid people are allowed to enjoy something you don't.

Simps
03-16-2007, 09:48 AM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the only show that I know that was successful w/ the transition from high school to life after high school. Does anyone know of any other shows that was successful in such a transition?
90210 ran for 10 years, past high school and college.

Travis M. Bierwagen
03-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Here's another update from E!... looks like she'll be in the FBI... not the FBI academy.

Friday, 9:22 a.m.: After speaking with very reliable sources this morning, I can tell you the following:

1. Creator Rob Thomas is shooting a five- to six-minute featurette of a new version of Veronica Mars, which is one of three options the CW is considering for next season.

2. This new Veronica version takes place four years in the future, and features Veronica as a full-fledged FBI agent. (This morning's Hollywood Reporter incorrectly reports that in the new featurette, Veronica is still in the FBI Academy.)

3. Kristen Bell is the only castmember who is part of this "FBI years" trailer/featurette. It is not yet known which other castmembers would come on board if the CW chooses this option. Veronica's current cast and crew were informed of the featurette yesterday (hence, the widespread panic and cancellation rumors running rampantóand my panic attack).

Ray G.
03-16-2007, 09:59 AM
90210 ran for 10 years, past high school and college.

I think most people are thinking creatively, though.

From what I've heard, most post-high school 90210 was pretty weak "Melrose Place light".

Dawson's Creek also ran for a few seasons, but never really recaptured the Magic. The OC gave it a go, but I felt the last season was too sketchy. Buffy came the closest, but that's only because they mercifully abandoned the college setting after one season.

JABSEN
03-16-2007, 10:03 AM
3. Kristen Bell is the only castmember who is part of this "FBI years" trailer/featurette. It is not yet known which other castmembers would come on board if the CW chooses this option. Veronica's current cast and crew were informed of the featurette yesterday (hence, the widespread panic and cancellation rumors running rampantóand my panic attack).I don't know. Eric Colantino is one of my favorite things about the show.

artimoff
03-16-2007, 10:08 AM
I don't know. Eric Colantino is one of my favorite things about the show.


Unlike X-Files, the FBI doesn't send it's agents around the country. They're usually stationed in a district. Neptune county could be her home base.

JABSEN
03-16-2007, 10:09 AM
Unlike X-Files, the FBI doesn't send it's agents around the country. They're usually stationed in a district. Neptune county could be her home base.That's true

MIKE D
03-16-2007, 10:10 AM
I don't know. Eric Colantino is one of my favorite things about the show.

Is Eric Enrico's less ethnic sounding cousin?

Travis M. Bierwagen
03-16-2007, 10:11 AM
I don't know. Eric Colantino is one of my favorite things about the show.

I feel the same way. I don't know if I want VM without Kieth.

Unless the season is spent with Veronica trying to figure out who abducted her father?

Knightspider
03-16-2007, 10:11 AM
Here's another update from E!... looks like she'll be in the FBI... not the FBI academy.

Friday, 9:22 a.m.: After speaking with very reliable sources this morning, I can tell you the following:

1. Creator Rob Thomas is shooting a five- to six-minute featurette of a new version of Veronica Mars, which is one of three options the CW is considering for next season.

2. This new Veronica version takes place four years in the future, and features Veronica as a full-fledged FBI agent. (This morning's Hollywood Reporter incorrectly reports that in the new featurette, Veronica is still in the FBI Academy.)

3. Kristen Bell is the only castmember who is part of this "FBI years" trailer/featurette. It is not yet known which other castmembers would come on board if the CW chooses this option. Veronica's current cast and crew were informed of the featurette yesterday (hence, the widespread panic and cancellation rumors running rampantóand my panic attack).


this might work, the only castmember i can see coming back is Mac and maybe Weevle if they can pull it off

Ray G.
03-16-2007, 10:15 AM
If Keith isn't a regular next season, I could see myself skipping it.

Knightspider
03-16-2007, 10:20 AM
If Keith isn't a regular next season, I could see myself skipping it.

Keith should be a given

alexlannin
03-16-2007, 10:22 AM
fuck!

bartleby
03-16-2007, 10:22 AM
Fast forwarding to Veronica being an FBI agent would definitely solve the problem of what role Veronica would have now that Keith's back to being sheriff.

alexlannin
03-16-2007, 10:23 AM
wait..so it's not cancelled?

Criden
03-16-2007, 10:24 AM
Keith and Wallace could easily be part of this new premise. Someone on the TWOP boards made a good suggestion where Keith lives close to Veronica and Wallace goes to graduate school near her.

naclone
03-16-2007, 10:26 AM
this might work, the only castmember i can see coming back is Mac and maybe Weevle if they can pull it off

what if Weevle got a job as a janitor at FBI HQ? That would work! :eek:

bartleby
03-16-2007, 10:30 AM
Keith and Wallace could easily be part of this new premise. Someone on the TWOP boards made a good suggestion where Keith lives close to Veronica and Wallace goes to graduate school near her.


Honestly, I could really do without Wallace -- especially if it meant coming up with a "convenient excuse" for having him around. And given the choice, I'd rather Mac stick around over any of Veronica's peers.

Bervda
03-16-2007, 10:38 AM
Honestly, I could really do without Wallace -- especially if it meant coming up with a "convenient excuse" for having him around. And given the choice, I'd rather Mac stick around over any of Veronica's peers.

Mac being one of her adult "girlfriends" makes a lot more sense than Wallace sticking around.

I really like the idea behind this, and hope that the network executives feel the same way.

Criden
03-16-2007, 10:42 AM
Honestly, I could really do without Wallace -- especially if it meant coming up with a "convenient excuse" for having him around. And given the choice, I'd rather Mac stick around over any of Veronica's peers.

Fair enough, but apparently Mac's a much more expensive character to have around.

Simps
03-16-2007, 10:44 AM
Dawson's Creek also ran for a few seasons, but never really recaptured the Magic. The OC gave it a go, but I felt the last season was too sketchy. Buffy came the closest, but that's only because they mercifully abandoned the college setting after one season.
To be fair, only 1 of the 4 teenaged leads actually went to college for any period of time, and all they did was delay sending the rest to college because they knew the show's dynamic would shift so radically.

RegularJoe
03-16-2007, 10:53 AM
I didn't know about the term, but I would assume it's in regards to how some fans hired a plane to fly a message promoting it being renewed for the inaugural CW season.

the biggest fear of the shows cancellation was when it was converting to the CW.

CW...Cloud Watchers...CW...Cloud Watchers...CW = Cloud Watchers (just a guess)

bartleby
03-16-2007, 11:01 AM
Fair enough, but apparently Mac's a much more expensive character to have around.

I don't think Tina Majorino was getting paid any more than most of the supporting cast. The reason she wasn't on as many episodes is because they were having to work around her shooting schedule for BIG LOVE.

Sy-Klone
03-16-2007, 11:12 AM
It's a rumor at this point, given the updates to the original article, but I hope it's not cancelled.

I wouldn't mind the flash forward. Rob Thomas has said that he's always seen Veronica becoming an FBI agent if the show lasted for six or seven seasons.

The only current member of the cast that I think is absolutely essential is Keith. The Keith/Veronica relationship is the hook of the show for me. If Keith goes, I can't imagine it working as well.

Fingers crossed.

Albert
03-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Kristin Vietch doesn't have a great track record...except for fawning over TV hunks.

Sy-Klone
03-16-2007, 11:18 AM
Kristin Vietch doesn't have a great track record...except for fawning over TV hunks.

Yep. In fact, if I recall correctly, she was almost positive that Veronica Mars was being cancelled last Spring.

I don't know if The CW wants to ditch this show without trying to save it. There's buzz that Gilmore Girls won't be back next year, and not a single series that debuted on the CW in the fall has survived (none that I know of, at least). To lose several established series with no success stories this season (aside from the Pussycat Dolls reality show)...I dunno.

Blane
03-16-2007, 11:25 AM
I don't like it. They couldn't incorporate Dick into the new premise. I mean, I'd give it a shot, but I'm not thinking that I'd dig it, especially because Veronica is kinda a fly in the face of authority girl.

Working for the FBI... That doesn't seem right...

bartleby
03-16-2007, 11:29 AM
and not a single series that debuted on the CW in the fall has survived


Actually, I think the network only debuted one single show in the fall.

bartleby
03-16-2007, 11:31 AM
I don't like it. They couldn't incorporate Dick into the new premise.


Maybe the could have Dick Casablancas stumble his way into becoming a bigtime mafia boss. And Veronica could be part of the task force assigned to bringing him down.

Ray G.
03-16-2007, 11:31 AM
Actually, I think the network only debuted one single show in the fall.

Two. And the other, "The Game", is still going.

Sy-Klone
03-16-2007, 11:34 AM
Actually, I think the network only debuted one single show in the fall.


Two. And the other, "The Game", is still going.

I stand corrected.

But if the network loses VM and GG, with no real breakout series to support the network...seems like a bit of gamble. Would you choose the devil you know or take a chance on the devil you don't?

bartleby
03-16-2007, 11:38 AM
I stand corrected.

But if the network loses VM and GG, with no real breakout series to support the network...seems like a bit of gamble. Would you choose the devil you know or take a chance on the devil you don't?

In all fairness, the odds of almost any new show having a less favorable ratio of cost to ratings is pretty slim.

Sy-Klone
03-16-2007, 11:42 AM
In all fairness, the odds of almost any new show having a less favorable ratio of cost to ratings is pretty slim.

That's fair.

Ah, well. If the show is cancelled, we got three seasons. That's more than most critically acclaimed "brilliant but cancelled" series.

Hopefully, it's not gonna be cancelled. But either way, I think Rob Thomas is right to tweak the format. I'm curious to see how the "stand alone" episodes that finish the season fare in the ratings. Is it the multi-episode mystery arcs that keep people from watching, or is it something else? :dunno:

NickT
03-16-2007, 11:44 AM
interesting development...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ic85c5d7c8fb9be4601ee8c9e765e10d5

I dont watch the show as it isn't on any channels I have so I'd have to buy the DVDs just to try it. That sounds quite interesting though.

bartleby
03-16-2007, 11:47 AM
I get the feeling that even if it is canceled, Rob Thomas is on his way to becoming the next Judd Apatow. It may take a couple failed TV series and a few years, but I see a 40-YEAR-OLD VIRGIN in his future.

PhoenixFactor
03-16-2007, 11:59 AM
Kristin just updated again apparently the 5-6 minute featurette only has V in it and is the mostly likely version to return. I'm all for anything that keeps this show on but I think it would suffer without Keith's presence.

If I was casting the new iteration i would only keep Veronica, Keith and Mac. the rest are expendable. How many times can Veronica and Logan break up and get back together. Wallace has been such a non presence this season I barely remember him with her as friends. Mac could easily be hired by the FBI too for her tech wizardry or even be just a secret ally of veronica

Just saw this on Newsarama Blog had to post it here:
http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/bringbackvmars_small.jpg

Shannon Chenoweth
03-16-2007, 12:32 PM
Just saw this on Newsarama Blog had to post it here:
http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/bringbackvmars_small.jpg

That's awesome! :)

Albert
03-16-2007, 01:21 PM
I get the feeling that even if it is canceled, Rob Thomas is on his way to becoming the next Judd Apatow. It may take a couple failed TV series and a few years, but I see a 40-YEAR-OLD VIRGIN in his future.

He already had "Cupid," so if V-Mars is gone, that's two.

bartleby
03-16-2007, 01:26 PM
He already had "Cupid," so if V-Mars is gone, that's two.

Yeah, that was something I was taking into consideration with my comparison. I just did state it explicitly.

niceguyeddie
03-16-2007, 01:45 PM
frackin' hell.

CapnChaos
03-16-2007, 01:50 PM
If they do go ahead with a new format, they HAVE to keep Keith. He's the soul of the show. Besides, if she's FBI and he's the sheriff, it gives them a new level of playful antagonism.

I would also want Wallace and Mac to stick around.

bartleby
03-16-2007, 02:23 PM
Rob Thomas:

"Each year we pitch to the network what the show will look like in an upcoming season. This "FBI Version" of Veronica Mars will be one option that we present to the network. We're entirely prepared to proceed with Veronica Mars: The College Years as well. Warner Bros. Television, the studio that produces the show, certainly wouldn't be investing time, money and effort into a presentation if they didn't believe wholeheartedly in the show."

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:24 PM
I think it makes the show a lot less interesting. If they did flash forward to her time in the FBI, what makes the show any different from every other procedural out there?


There's no FBI agent on TV as winsomely cute as Kristen Bell?

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:27 PM
I don't know. Eric Colantino is one of my favorite things about the show.

Yeah, that's one of the biggest selling points for the show. The obvious affection and snark between father and daughter.

The two actors have an incredible chemistry together. Their scenes just rock.

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:29 PM
wait..so it's not cancelled?

Nothing is official.

Two schools of thought: One says that if Gilmore Girls comes back for an 8th season, it's definitely gone. But if GG says goodbye, then Veronica would be back.

The other school says the first school is basically full of shit, the show's fates are not intertwined.

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:31 PM
Honestly, I could really do without Wallace -- especially if it meant coming up with a "convenient excuse" for having him around. And given the choice, I'd rather Mac stick around over any of Veronica's peers.


Realistically, this is the best scenario. Wallace could do a guest star appearance or something, but in a fast forward, his series regular days are over.

Mac as Veronica's computer support FBI Chick would rock....

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:32 PM
Actually, I think the network only debuted one single show in the fall.

Two shows, the Girlfriends spinoff and the drama Runaway.

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:33 PM
Maybe the could have Dick Casablancas stumble his way into becoming a bigtime mafia boss. And Veronica could be part of the task force assigned to bringing him down.

So that would be a 1 episode season?

J. Wilson
03-16-2007, 02:35 PM
Just saw this on Newsarama Blog had to post it here:
http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/bringbackvmars_small.jpg

Veronica Mars: Bitchslapping Crossdressing Islamic Terrorists for the FBI, starting in 2011!

bartleby
03-16-2007, 03:58 PM
So that would be a 1 episode season?

Yeah, but what a great episode it would be...

Gene Reginato
03-16-2007, 05:52 PM
I'm torn. I don't know if they could make the show so good without Colantoni and Dohring. The whole dynamics of the show would have to change.

WinterRose
03-16-2007, 06:39 PM
Wow... Well, this is karma long time coming for the CW network and the WB people running things into the ground. And man is this a bad decision. They don't have much left. I was given to understand that this will be the last season for Gilmore Girls. If they cancel V.Mars they have... what left exactly? There's Smallville, going into season 7 if it's renewed.

I know some folks that really like Supernatural, but apart from them, I really don't hear much about it. The J.D. and the Shifty X-5 from Dark Angel fight monsters show really has no appeal to me. And apart from that... NOTHING. Just Top Model... and what? the 17th season or other of 7th Heaven?

This is the burning sting of Karma right here. If these people were wise, they would be crawling on their hands and knees, BEGGING Joss Whedon for a concept they can help him develop. WB certainly can't go to Ron Moore, seeing as he's busy with Battlestar Galactica. (And they've got some tall fucking apologizing to do to him anyway.) They can't get Bryan Fuller from Dead Like Me and Wonderfalls since he's busy on Heroes. Abrams is still doing Lost and the next star trek film...

If I were at the CW, I'd be doing some BIG thinking about the shows I have and what I could make before I started cancelling favorites like Veronica Mars. Cos in 2008 or 2009, Fox is going to probably stick Star Wars DIRECTLY opposite anything they have left and kill it. And that will apparently be that.

Unless they're willing to send lots of coke and hookers over to Ron Moore's place to see if they can get him do do Pern... (Nope. Not letting go of it.)

CapnChaos
03-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Wow... Well, this is karma long time coming for the CW network and the WB people running things into the ground. And man is this a bad decision. They don't have much left. I was given to understand that this will be the last season for Gilmore Girls. If they cancel V.Mars they have... what left exactly? There's Smallville, going into season 7 if it's renewed.

I know some folks that really like Supernatural, but apart from them, I really don't hear much about it. The J.D. and the Shifty X-5 from Dark Angel fight monsters show really has no appeal to me. And apart from that... NOTHING. Just Top Model... and what? the 17th season or other of 7th Heaven?

This is the burning sting of Karma right here. If these people were wise, they would be crawling on their hands and knees, BEGGING Joss Whedon for a concept they can help him develop. WB certainly can't go to Ron Moore, seeing as he's busy with Battlestar Galactica. (And they've got some tall fucking apologizing to do to him anyway.) They can't get Bryan Fuller from Dead Like Me and Wonderfalls since he's busy on Heroes. Abrams is still doing Lost and the next star trek film...

If I were at the CW, I'd be doing some BIG thinking about the shows I have and what I could make before I started cancelling favorites like Veronica Mars. Cos in 2008 or 2009, Fox is going to probably stick Star Wars DIRECTLY opposite anything they have left and kill it. And that will apparently be that.

Unless they're willing to send lots of coke and hookers over to Ron Moore's place to see if they can get him do do Pern... (Nope. Not letting go of it.)
I just started on Supernatural and really dug it and I've already hooked a couple more people on it. I think it'd be a mistake to cancel it. Not really a better way to counterprogram Idol.

Mikie
03-16-2007, 10:47 PM
Wow... Well, this is karma long time coming for the CW network and the WB people running things into the ground. And man is this a bad decision. They don't have much left. I was given to understand that this will be the last season for Gilmore Girls. If they cancel V.Mars they have... what left exactly? There's Smallville, going into season 7 if it's renewed.

I know some folks that really like Supernatural, but apart from them, I really don't hear much about it. The J.D. and the Shifty X-5 from Dark Angel fight monsters show really has no appeal to me. And apart from that... NOTHING. Just Top Model... and what? the 17th season or other of 7th Heaven?

This is the burning sting of Karma right here. If these people were wise, they would be crawling on their hands and knees, BEGGING Joss Whedon for a concept they can help him develop. WB certainly can't go to Ron Moore, seeing as he's busy with Battlestar Galactica. (And they've got some tall fucking apologizing to do to him anyway.) They can't get Bryan Fuller from Dead Like Me and Wonderfalls since he's busy on Heroes. Abrams is still doing Lost and the next star trek film...

If I were at the CW, I'd be doing some BIG thinking about the shows I have and what I could make before I started cancelling favorites like Veronica Mars. Cos in 2008 or 2009, Fox is going to probably stick Star Wars DIRECTLY opposite anything they have left and kill it. And that will apparently be that.

Unless they're willing to send lots of coke and hookers over to Ron Moore's place to see if they can get him do do Pern... (Nope. Not letting go of it.)

All true. I don't think they are going to let the show go. The numbers would have to be complete garbage for them not to. They have plenty of room to grow in other time slots and VM has a following. It's going to be interesting to see what the CW looks like next season.

Mikie
03-16-2007, 10:49 PM
Just saw this on Newsarama Blog had to post it here:
http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/bringbackvmars_small.jpg

Who did that illustration? It's awesome!!! :D

bartleby
03-16-2007, 10:57 PM
This is the burning sting of Karma right here. If these people were wise, they would be crawling on their hands and knees, BEGGING Joss Whedon for a concept they can help him develop. WB certainly can't go to Ron Moore, seeing as he's busy with Battlestar Galactica. (And they've got some tall fucking apologizing to do to him anyway.) They can't get Bryan Fuller from Dead Like Me and Wonderfalls since he's busy on Heroes. Abrams is still doing Lost and the next star trek film...

If I were at the CW, I'd be doing some BIG thinking about the shows I have and what I could make before I started cancelling favorites like Veronica Mars. Cos in 2008 or 2009, Fox is going to probably stick Star Wars DIRECTLY opposite anything they have left and kill it. And that will apparently be that.

Unless they're willing to send lots of coke and hookers over to Ron Moore's place to see if they can get him do do Pern... (Nope. Not letting go of it.)


Seeing as how your focus seems centered around television creators whose shows are at best cult favorites, I'm not sure your strategy for developing a network is really a viable model.


Although it's starting to look like a dormant property, the pilot of HIDDEN PALMS was pretty decent and is probably a better option for the network than a fourth season of VERONICA MARS at this point.

WinterRose
03-16-2007, 11:52 PM
Seeing as how your focus seems centered around television creators whose shows are at best cult favorites, I'm not sure your strategy for developing a network is really a viable model.

Although it's starting to look like a dormant property, the pilot of HIDDEN PALMS was pretty decent and is probably a better option for the network than a fourth season of VERONICA MARS at this point.

I may in fact be just mentioning creators that I'm familiar with. I tend to gloss over the existence of sitcoms completely unless they're really stellar material (Currently: How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs & In Case Of Emergency). I also don't really follow law or medical shows like House or Boston Legal. I haven't really followed 24 since I lost track of the plot in season 1.

I'd hardly call the critical acclaim and success the creators I mentioned to be either cult OR niche. But I can recognize when I'm touting from my own preferences. But I would be interested in hearing what other creators might be available for developing properties for the CW that might cause the public to aim their attention at their network. I suppose Chris Carter isn't doing anything nowadays.

Still. I couldn't name a single sitcom from CW. While I can name one from every other network worth my time to watch. I don't know of any legal or medical shows on CW, tho I have taken the time to watch Boston Legal once, and enjoyed the heck out of Spader & Shatner. I know Mrs. Palladino (Gilmore Girls, again hardly niche), last I heard, was developing another Dramady for CBS I think... Not CW, that's for sure. And the BIG fantasy/sci-fi show they've got going is aging fast. And unless they're developing that 26'th century animated Star Trek, they don't have another Trek in the pipe either.

I suppose I'll have to google Hidden Palms, but what was it?

EDIT: Found this overview on Wiki


Hidden Palms is a coming-of-age drama about a troubled teen who moves to a gated community in Palm Springs where he uncovers some dark secrets. It's being written and produced by Kevin Williamson, creator of Dawson's Creek and I Know What You Did Last Summer and directed by Scott Winant (My So-Called Life, Huff).

Ugh. Sounds dreadful.

Caley Tibbittz
03-16-2007, 11:53 PM
Season 1 was fantastic. Season two was a big, murky, unpleasant mess. And Season 3 is the best show on television that I can see without an HBO subscription.

I really hope it comes back for a fourth year, and then some. The flash-forward to the FBI thing is far better than cancellation, but I'd rather get there in real time.

Brendan
03-23-2007, 10:03 AM
I really hope it comes back for a fourth year, and then some. The flash-forward to the FBI thing is far better than cancellation, but I'd rather get there in real time.

I don't see it happening.

Honestly, this show has all the markers of a show in its last episodes. Characters are dying, daddy is sheriff again, etc.

Sad as it is, I suspect VM is done.

The Cheap-Arse Film Critic
03-23-2007, 10:05 AM
I'll say the same thing about this that I did about Arrested Development...

... getting three seasons of a show that never, never, had good ratings, is in no way an injustice. If anything, the network should be commended for hanging in as long as it did.

SteveFlack
03-23-2007, 10:09 AM
I'll say the same thing about this that I did about Arrested Development...

... getting three seasons of a show that never, never, had good ratings, is in no way an injustice. If anything, the network should be commended for hanging in as long as it did.

Wow, that sounds perfectly logical. Who the hell let you on the internet?

-Steve!

Brendan
03-23-2007, 12:59 PM
If your a fan sign it!
http://www.saveveronicamars.tv

When was the last time one of these petitions actually did any good?

I admire their devotion and enthusiasm, but I suspect this is a futile effort.

Albert
03-23-2007, 01:02 PM
I'll say the same thing about this that I did about Arrested Development...

... getting three seasons of a show that never, never, had good ratings, is in no way an injustice. If anything, the network should be commended for hanging in as long as it did.

While that has truth to it, it still sucks when a show you like goes away before the creators and cast are ready to be done with it. Simple as that.

Joe Henderson
03-23-2007, 01:04 PM
This is the burning sting of Karma right here. If these people were wise, they would be crawling on their hands and knees, BEGGING Joss Whedon for a concept they can help him develop. WB certainly can't go to Ron Moore, seeing as he's busy with Battlestar Galactica. (And they've got some tall fucking apologizing to do to him anyway.) They can't get Bryan Fuller from Dead Like Me and Wonderfalls since he's busy on Heroes. Abrams is still doing Lost and the next star trek film...


Ron Moore has had some projects in development. Bryan Fuller wrote an amazing pilot called Pushing Daisies that just finished shooting.