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YC Comics!
03-05-2007, 04:10 PM
okay, I want you to predict the future of the marvel and dc universe. I would say that you should shoot for about 10 years down the road.

What changes will have stuck, what characters will make a come back, which company will be dominating. Will event comics still be the norm?

The poll results, along with the "other" part of the poll (put your thoughts in a post if you voted other) will be used as data for an article I'm writing.

Plus, thoughts on the future of chracters, and tid bits like that might also be referenced in the article

ZombieSpeedball
03-05-2007, 04:11 PM
There will be a bunch more big events. :lol:

Roman Noodles
03-05-2007, 04:13 PM
Arana will turn evil killing Spider-man and then take his place with the use of some creative padding.

NATE!
03-05-2007, 04:14 PM
Full on pornography by 2010.

The Human Target
03-05-2007, 04:15 PM
God, probably stuck in the same spiral of putting out mostly shit and occasionally something that doesn't insult all that is good.

And Magneto will become the oldest Holocaust survivor of all time.

jason hissong
03-05-2007, 04:15 PM
both will continue to produce super hero properties that i have a waning interest in.

NATE!
03-05-2007, 04:17 PM
God, probably stuck in the same spiral of putting out mostly shit and occasionally something that doesn't insult all that is good.

And Magneto will become the oldest Holocaust survivor of all time.

I don;t give a fuck as long as the MAX line hangs on.

JoeE
03-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Marvel will have a bit of success in the short-term with the Initiative and the aftermath of Civil War, but all the important changes that have been made will be reset within a few years after Quesada leaves Marvel.

DC will continue to do whatever the fuck they're doing until they decide to Prime Punch away the perceived problems with their universe again in another decade or so.

Albert
03-05-2007, 04:19 PM
Why can't all these things come true? I mean can't Marvel be successful and DC be excellent with it "staying" even and the industry continuing to be driven by events?

ZombieSpeedball
03-05-2007, 04:20 PM
Full on pornography by 2010.

If God is merciful, yes, this will be our future.

YC Comics!
03-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Why can't all these things come true? I mean can't Marvel be successful and DC be excellent with it "staying" even and the industry continuing to be driven by events?

I'll chalk you down to "Other"

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 04:23 PM
The battle will stay pretty even, with Marvel likely holding onto a slimming lead.

My main prediction:

The 616 will no longer exist. Marvel will have its first Crisis, after the destructive aftereffects of Civil War cause the characters to be more and more impossible to write. The Ultimate line will continue to expand and attract top tier talent, and eventually the long-predicted Ultimate/616 crossover will happen. The 616 universe will cease to exist, being folded into a massive new Ultimate U with certain elements being brought into the Ultimate U. The last scene of the 616 will be the original Spider-man telling Ultimate Spider-man not to make the same mistakes he did.

Also, the Wildstorm universe will be folded into the DCU proper at some point, and EICs Johns and Bendis will have brought DC and Marvel to much more friendly terms. John Constantine and Swamp Thing will have made their triumphant return to the DCU at some point, while Punisher will have been removed from the Marvel Universe completely. Oh, and a lot of characters will have died and come back.

Albert
03-05-2007, 04:25 PM
The 616 will no longer exist.

I have no idea why people keep saying this. Is it the fact that the top people in Marvel continue to say that it will never happen, that the Ultimate line has stayed small and that the 616 books are still extremely successful and creatively viable?

Roman Noodles
03-05-2007, 04:27 PM
Crisis Of The Infinite Earths by Marvel . . . except cleverly retitled.

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 04:28 PM
I have no idea why people keep saying this. Is it the fact that the top people in Marvel continue to say that it will never happen, that the Ultimate line has stayed small and that the 616 books are still extremely successful and creatively viable?

No, it's the fact that Marvel just destroyed a 40-year-old continuity for the sake of one event, and created an insane new status quo that will eventually run out of steam and leave them with a broken-down shell of a universe that will be folded not for financialreasons, but for creative reasons.

Bandit Chimera
03-05-2007, 04:34 PM
The battle will stay pretty even, with Marvel likely holding onto a slimming lead.

My main prediction:

The 616 will no longer exist. Marvel will have its first Crisis, after the destructive aftereffects of Civil War cause the characters to be more and more impossible to write. The Ultimate line will continue to expand and attract top tier talent, and eventually the long-predicted Ultimate/616 crossover will happen. The 616 universe will cease to exist, being folded into a massive new Ultimate U with certain elements being brought into the Ultimate U. The last scene of the 616 will be the original Spider-man telling Ultimate Spider-man not to make the same mistakes he did.

Also, the Wildstorm universe will be folded into the DCU proper at some point, and EICs Johns and Bendis will have brought DC and Marvel to much more friendly terms. John Constantine and Swamp Thing will have made their triumphant return to the DCU at some point, while Punisher will have been removed from the Marvel Universe completely. Oh, and a lot of characters will have died and come back.

that made me die a little inside .....it really did ..

but its an odd interesting idea ...i don't like it at all but its interesting. Honestly i just miss magneto in the 616 and wish he'd come back and kill iron man with his metal crushing powers ...that would be nice

jason hissong
03-05-2007, 04:35 PM
God, probably stuck in the same spiral of putting out mostly shit and occasionally something that doesn't insult all that is good.

And Magneto will become the oldest Holocaust survivor of all time.

i like you.

Albert
03-05-2007, 04:36 PM
No, it's the fact that Marvel just destroyed a 40-year-old continuity for the sake of one event, and created an insane new status quo that will eventually run out of steam and leave them with a broken-down shell of a universe that will be folded not for financialreasons, but for creative reasons.

What was destroyed?

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 04:38 PM
No, it's the fact that Marvel just destroyed a 40-year-old continuity for the sake of one event, and created an insane new status quo that will eventually run out of steam and leave them with a broken-down shell of a universe that will be folded not for financialreasons, but for creative reasons.

This is now officially the dumbest thing i've ever read on the internet.

Congratulations.

Adrian B AWESOME
03-05-2007, 04:40 PM
No, it's the fact that Marvel just destroyed a 40-year-old continuity for the sake of one event, and created an insane new status quo that will eventually run out of steam and leave them with a broken-down shell of a universe that will be folded not for financialreasons, but for creative reasons.

OH NOES!!!11 Something new, different, and possibly exciting!!11

I hate it!!!!

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 04:41 PM
This is now officially the dumbest thing i've ever read on the internet.

Congratulations.

Talk to me in a year or two.

Civil War will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the history of comics. What they did to Spider-man is enough.

Adrian B AWESOME
03-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Talk to me in a year or two.

Civil War will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the history of comics. What they did to Spider-man is enough.

At least I know I can always come back to Ray to see what the fanboy/average comic reader is thinking.

Albert
03-05-2007, 04:45 PM
This is now officially the dumbest thing i've ever read on the internet.

Congratulations.

They funnel a bunch of new ideas into the main continuty, with a huge promotional push, (mostly) positive buzz and many new titles - obviously this is the end of days!

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 04:45 PM
Or gasp one day the Registration Act is repealed and everything goes back to the status quo except a few characters don't get along for a couple extra years before finally shaking hands and repairing their relationship.

As for Spider-Man there's no way to go back without pissing people off and some people will always be pissed off that he's unmasked so Marvel can't win no matter what they do now in terms of upsetting the fanbase (Which truly truly does mean absolutely NOTHING).

Adrian B AWESOME
03-05-2007, 04:48 PM
Or gasp one day the Registration Act is repealed and everything goes back to the status quo except a few characters don't get along for a couple extra years before finally shaking hands and repairing their relationship.

As for Spider-Man there's no way to go back without pissing people off and some people will always be pissed off that he's unmasked so Marvel can't win no matter what they do now in terms of upsetting the fanbase (Which truly truly does mean absolutely NOTHING).

Get this:

I have a feeling that people WILL, IN FACT, keep buying Spider-Man comics at a high rate.

Just a hunch.

JoeE
03-05-2007, 04:49 PM
While I actually like the idea of Peter unmasking, I guarantee you that comic book creators are absolutely cursing that decision already. So many rehashable stories can't be told now.

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 04:52 PM
Get this:

I have a feeling that people WILL, IN FACT, keep buying Spider-Man comics at a high rate.

Just a hunch.

I couldn't agree more. Fan complaining means absolutely nothing to Joe Quesada, as it should.

The fanbase has proven over and over that their the modern day "Boys" who cried Wolf.

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 04:54 PM
I couldn't agree more. Fan complaining means absolutely nothing to Joe Quesada, as it should.

The fanbase has proven over and over that their the modern day "Boys" who cried Wolf.

They're going to run out of stories to tell with unmasked Spider-man pretty soon. Add this to the way Iron Man and Cap have been tarnished by this event, and it's not looking good. X-men are pretty much the only tentpole in good shape right now.

Lord Jermaine Retail
03-05-2007, 04:58 PM
I predict that Dan Didio gets a promotion or reassignment in 2007 and is no longer in direct control of the DCU super-hero books.

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 05:03 PM
They're going to run out of stories to tell with unmasked Spider-man pretty soon. Add this to the way Iron Man and Cap have been tarnished by this event, and it's not looking good. X-men are pretty much the only tentpole in good shape right now.


They are?

They got 44 years out of Masked Spider-Man but 9 months of un-masked Spidey is pushing it huh?

Captain America and Iron Man are ruined how exactly?

Iron Man is arguably one of the most interesting and complex characters in comics who's now THE central figure in the Marvel Universe.

Captain America's been at odds with the US Govt exactly 435 times over the years. Being on the run for a few years is hardly being ruined.

Then again how many Cap and Iron Man stories have you actually read?

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 05:04 PM
I predict that Dan Didio gets a promotion or reassignment in 2007 and is no longer in direct control of the DCU super-hero books.

I could see that happening. He's an extremely talented salesman, but I would be very happy if he was no longer handing down editorial mandates to Geoff Johns.

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 05:05 PM
I predict that Dan Didio gets a promotion or reassignment in 2007 and is no longer in direct control of the DCU super-hero books.

That's pushing it a bit don't you think? DCU Sales despite some shortcomings and disappointments are still without question healthier than they've been since the Boom ended.

The only promotion he could get within DC Comics is surplanting Paul Levitz and Paul Levitz as everyone knows is actually a robot who will never go away or retire.

Lord Jermaine Retail
03-05-2007, 05:06 PM
I could see that happening. He's an extremely talented salesman, but I would be very happy if he was no longer handing down editorial mandates to Geoff Johns.

Interesting you say that he is a talented salesman specifically. Curious why you say that.

Ray G.
03-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Interesting you say that he is a talented salesman specifically. Curious why you say that.

He knows how to market books and create buzz around huge events. And he knows how to keep them going. He also knows how to recruit top talent to create some real excitement around books. Where he has some problems is keeping things on schedule, and promoting b-list books.

My main problem with him, and I'm having more fun reading DC than I have in some time, is that he's way too hands-on with his writers. You do NOT remove your top writer's two favorite characters from his flagship book over his objection if you know what's good for you.

Lord Jermaine Retail
03-05-2007, 05:14 PM
That's pushing it a bit don't you think? DCU Sales despite some shortcomings and disappointments are still without question healthier than they've been since the Boom ended.

The only promotion he could get within DC Comics is surplanting Paul Levitz and Paul Levitz as everyone knows is actually a robot who will never go away or retire.

I'm having a very tough time with DCU titles right now. Subscriptions are down on every one of them. And they get premium display space beyond Civil War or anything else in my shop. DCU titles are hemorraging and I hadn't been able to cut them fast enough. But recently I have made drastic cuts. I can't speak for any other retailers, but my instinct tells me my situation isn't 100% unique. I want DC to do well, I really do. But I predict, which is what this thread is about, that DiDio's role will change in 2007.

Lord Jermaine Retail
03-05-2007, 05:21 PM
He knows how to market books and create buzz around huge events. And he knows how to keep them going. He also knows how to recruit top talent to create some real excitement around books. Where he has some problems is keeping things on schedule, and promoting b-list books.

My main problem with him, and I'm having more fun reading DC than I have in some time, is that he's way too hands-on with his writers. You do NOT remove your top writer's two favorite characters from his flagship book over his objection if you know what's good for you.

I don't know if I'd agree with what you feel is marketing skill. I feel like there was a massive disconnect between Infinite Crisis and everything that came after. The One Year Later banner was removed from the DCU titles mid-storyline which neutralized the concept and 52 isn't truly the missing year of the DCU, its five or so back up stories we're told happened a year ago in one weekly title. Nothing against the work put into 52, but I don't feel that its what was advertised to me and customers.

Trade paperbacks are part of marketing and I don't think that anyone will go to the mat for DC's tpb system as translates to getting new readers caught up to being able to buy monthlies.

I'm not really going to complain about delays and managing talent once you get it because that isn't a problem exclusive to DC. Although the industry should come up with universal solutions for this problem that directly affects the consumer.

It looks like there is no disconnect between Civil War and the Initiative.

The Doctor
03-05-2007, 05:26 PM
They'll both be fine for years to come.

DC may suffer more fill ins as a result of Countdown but less so since they'll have learned from mistakes.

Marvel will never have a crises event. You could say they sort of did one in the Spidey books in the late 90's (Mackie's Amazing run) and it went down like a lead balloon.

Vonn Hennigar
03-05-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm having a very tough time with DCU titles right now. Subscriptions are down on every one of them. And they get premium display space beyond Civil War or anything else in my shop. DCU titles are hemorraging and I hadn't been able to cut them fast enough. But recently I have made drastic cuts. I can't speak for any other retailers, but my instinct tells me my situation isn't 100% unique. I want DC to do well, I really do. But I predict, which is what this thread is about, that DiDio's role will change in 2007.

If Jennette Khan could withstand what 3 decades of being second to Marvel i think Dan Didio can survive as well.

Sales are without question much stronger than when Dan Didio took over despite a rough last 6 months.

Blandy vs Terrorism
03-05-2007, 05:28 PM
I voted number four.

Boris the Blade
03-05-2007, 05:53 PM
I agree with Geoff Johns should be running DC's stories.

Gavin
03-05-2007, 06:39 PM
Can't say I'm interested in any more events.

Dr. Omega
03-05-2007, 11:25 PM
DC is pissing off older fans and alienating new ones. They have completely screwed the pooch. If they keep it up, there won't be anyone left to give a crap.

However, I have to give Kudos to Marvel for shaking things up and releveling the playing field.


Dr. Ω

Blake Sims
03-05-2007, 11:35 PM
IM not really gonna give a fuck, Ill buy whatever Grant Morrison does, and continue to buy stuff from Fantagraphics, D&Q, Top Shelf, Beauventura Press, Picture Box, and other publishers.

Hate_Prime
03-05-2007, 11:38 PM
Somebody somewhere will have a character use the word SMEGMA in conversation in a mainstream super hero book.

Probably Jessica Jones.

The Human Target
03-06-2007, 07:04 AM
i like you.

You should.

I'm amazing.

Matt Jay
03-06-2007, 07:35 AM
I'd like for the big events to die down. I'd like to see both companies just say "here you go" to the creators for at least 12 months and let them tell their own stories, free from forced event crossovers.

But it looks like the big events sell well, and help sell the titles they spill into. I expect to see the big events continue for at least several more years.

TSChamp
03-06-2007, 07:43 AM
Here is what I think is going to happen over the next ten years:

The number of books will change over the years for main characters to where there is only two.

Team books will be cut done to two or three except the X-men titles(198 mutants and 5 fucking books????).

A major hero will die and come back again.

Marvel will NOT retcon the universe.

Bendis will be the EIC at Marvel, and Xanadu will be a ongoing series.

DC will get rid of EIC and go to a Board of Editors where there will be major spitball fights that causes another Crisis.

Comic book movie fad will fade but will be brought back with the DC/Marvel crossover movie "Batman and Spiderman Returns to the Beginning".

Comics will not longer be published in paper format going to DVD type format where there is a whole year of stories.

Superman will still be crying about something.

Nextwave cartoon series is a big hit.

Batman is sued by the God Damn Blunt-man for copyright infringement.

Superboy is still dead.

Wolverine will be in every book, movie, and video game in both Marvel and DC.

Due to a math error there is really 198,000,000 mutant.

Lastly, the Big 2 still be even one or the other having a slim lead.

The Craig
03-06-2007, 08:59 AM
Events are swallowing... etc.

OMAC

Dr. Omega
03-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Superman will still be crying about something.:rofl:

Dr. Ω

CapnChaos
03-06-2007, 10:26 PM
I agree with Geoff Johns should be running DC's stories.

I'd be behind that as well in concept. But then he probably wouldn't have enough time to write his books. And I don't want to give up JSA.