The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[bairdduvessa]

Hi, welcome to the all new, all different X-Books mega [dramatic echo]thread[/dramatic echo]!

This is a place to discuss all things X-Men related, being the comics or whatever crosses our minds!

I'll try to post reviews every week (i read all the x-books but the wolverine ones, but i'm sure some one will cover those).

So...


Come in, put up your feet, review, talk...and most of all enjoy yourselves!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I shall also attempt to review most X-books every week.
Only ones that I don't read are the Wolvie books and (more often than not) New Excalibur.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

That said, I've yet to read X-Factor from this week yet. :Oops:

Soon. I promise.

[bairdduvessa]

i have new excallibur covered

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i have new excallibur covered

Sweet. I need an excuse to get back into that series. You've got your work cut out for ya.

[bairdduvessa]

i'm writing up reviews now

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i'm writing up reviews now

Soon as I read X-Factor I'll type up a review for that.

What other X-books came out this week?

[twigglet]

I read AXM and X-factor, but will probably get that big X-crossover coming soon.

[bairdduvessa]

I read AXM and X-factor, but will probably get that big X-crossover coming soon.
that's one of the reasons i wanted to start up this thread

and i hop you post here often! rabbitt and I will need some one to keep us from derailing

[The Jack Rabbitt]

that's one of the reasons i wanted to start up this thread

I'm definitely looking forward to that event. :boogie:

[bairdduvessa]

This weeks books:
(i'm writing these some 15 hours after reading them)
X-Factor-4.5 out of 5 stars (or should they be "x's"?)the story continues form last months issue with Theresa and Monet in France and Madrox looking for his dupes. The mian story shows Jamie discovering that not only has one of his dupes become a preacher, but this dupe (calling himself john) has a wife and a young child. Jamie has to face the new dilema of whether or not to absorb this dupe, or have the scared dupe kill the original. Meanwhile in France our two chicas break free of prison after crucifying the murder from last issue. The stumble across a young girl whos parents both died in the attacks and Monet decides to kid nap her. In the shadows we see a hooded figure with glowing red eyes. the girls make it back to the states only to be greated by cop cars coming to intercept their plane. Suddenly the cop cars disapear. The hooded man is ther as well. but the girls are none the wiser.
Jamie decides to let John go be his own man.

New Excallibur-3 out of 4 The second part of a two part story. lst issue Nocturne suddenly had a stroke and woke up not being able to communicate. This issue picks up with the therapy sessions that happen afterwards. Which are going slowly. On top of it Nocturne seems to be hallucinating (sp). Noctunre can no onger control her right side. Still has trouble talking and can not remember names (even her own) a fact that seems to hurt Cain. And Dazzler gives her a sponge bath...Sage stays with Nocturne what seems to be 24/7 eventualy convincing nocturne to posess her as parth of the therapy. Which she reluctantly does, but has a grand ol' time doing it. She leanrs that Sage can still block out her memories and such as well. Eventualy Nocturne looses controll of her right side again and the posession ends. Cap and Sage remind her that she is part of a family now. Wisom helps in her pt as well. We also get to see sage with her hiar down and dressed like a 20 something year old girl...
the issue is probably Claremont reflecting on his own health issues and the need to fight to regain control of one's own life. (anybody ever notice that he writes him self into female characters a lot...?) The issue's negative points is it's complete reversal of tone set up by tierry(sp). Where as he had them bickering, Claremont has the team all shiny happy people with each other.

X-Men-4 out of 5 Mike Carey continues to bring on his kick ass writing. We find out that the big bad of this series wanted to have rouge's absorbtion of memories, but instead he only absorbs their powers (he does this via a virus he created). And he thinks he's come up with a virus to fix this, and his test subject is a scantily clad rouge. Sabertooth lands and begins to rip apart the lab staff. Cable and Cannonball find out that they cannot controll their ship. Cable teleports to the battle (shouldn't deadpool end up with him?) and cannonball lives up to his name. Mystique we find out has survived last issue and has been running around the complex. Overhearing the big bad's orders to a lacky she takes over the lacky's image and frees mastermind and sentinal. The team meet up and fight the new guy, accidently adding more and more powers to his arsenal (he boasts that he has at least 4 types of invunerability). Cable orders Sabertooth to strike, to which the big bad laughs, sabertooth decides to tell him the plan. Sabertooth's healing factor would rid the human of hs virus, and it does quickly. After debating who gets to kill him, mastermind steps up and makes the guy get stuck in his own mind (in classic fashion). Creed remarks that there is something dead inside her. Rouge then passes out. Sam wants to call back their ship and get her home, but cable states that there isn't enough time, rouge is about to die!)

is anybody reading wolverine or wisdom?
we will also need some one to review ultimate x-men, since i plan on going back to trades on that soon)
I read; X-Men, Uncanny, New X-men, New Excallibur (for now), Cable/Deadpool, Astonishing, X-23, X-Factor

[Johnny C. TheLastHorseman]

I just read my preview copy of next week's Uncanny earlier today, and I absolutely loved it. Action out the ass, but it's not mindnumbing pointless action.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

This weeks books:
(i'm writing these some 15 hours after reading them)
X-Factor-4.5 out of 5 stars (or should they be "x's"?)the story continues form last months issue with Theresa and Monet in France and Madrox looking for his dupes. The mian story shows Jamie discovering that not only has one of his dupes become a preacher, but this dupe (calling himself john) has a wife and a young child. Jamie has to face the new dilema of whether or not to absorb this dupe, or have the scared dupe kill the original. Meanwhile in France our two chicas break free of prison after crucifying the murder from last issue. The stumble across a young girl whos parents both died in the attacks and Monet decides to kid nap her. In the shadows we see a hooded figure with glowing red eyes. the girls make it back to the states only to be greated by cop cars coming to intercept their plane. Suddenly the cop cars disapear. The hooded man is ther as well. but the girls are none the wiser.
Jamie decides to let John go be his own man.

New Excallibur-3 out of 4 The second part of a two part story. lst issue Nocturne suddenly had a stroke and woke up not being able to communicate. This issue picks up with the therapy sessions that happen afterwards. Which are going slowly. On top of it Nocturne seems to be hallucinating (sp). Noctunre can no onger control her right side. Still has trouble talking and can not remember names (even her own) a fact that seems to hurt Cain. And Dazzler gives her a sponge bath...Sage stays with Nocturne what seems to be 24/7 eventualy convincing nocturne to posess her as parth of the therapy. Which she reluctantly does, but has a grand ol' time doing it. She leanrs that Sage can still block out her memories and such as well. Eventualy Nocturne looses controll of her right side again and the posession ends. Cap and Sage remind her that she is part of a family now. Wisom helps in her pt as well. We also get to see sage with her hiar down and dressed like a 20 something year old girl...
the issue is probably Claremont reflecting on his own health issues and the need to fight to regain control of one's own life. (anybody ever notice that he writes him self into female characters a lot...?) The issue's negative points is it's complete reversal of tone set up by tierry(sp). Where as he had them bickering, Claremont has the team all shiny happy people with each other.

X-Men-4 out of 5 Mike Carey continues to bring on his kick ass writing. We find out that the big bad of this series wanted to have rouge's absorbtion of memories, but instead he only absorbs their powers (he does this via a virus he created). And he thinks he's come up with a virus to fix this, and his test subject is a scantily clad rouge. Sabertooth lands and begins to rip apart the lab staff. Cable and Cannonball find out that they cannot controll their ship. Cable teleports to the battle (shouldn't deadpool end up with him?) and cannonball lives up to his name. Mystique we find out has survived last issue and has been running around the complex. Overhearing the big bad's orders to a lacky she takes over the lacky's image and frees mastermind and sentinal. The team meet up and fight the new guy, accidently adding more and more powers to his arsenal (he boasts that he has at least 4 types of invunerability). Cable orders Sabertooth to strike, to which the big bad laughs, sabertooth decides to tell him the plan. Sabertooth's healing factor would rid the human of hs virus, and it does quickly. After debating who gets to kill him, mastermind steps up and makes the guy get stuck in his own mind (in classic fashion). Creed remarks that there is something dead inside her. Rouge then passes out. Sam wants to call back their ship and get her home, but cable states that there isn't enough time, rouge is about to die!)

is anybody reading wolverine or wisdom?
we will also need some one to review ultimate x-men, since i plan on going back to trades on that soon)
I read; X-Men, Uncanny, New X-men, New Excallibur (for now), Cable/Deadpool, Astonishing, X-23, X-Factor

I'm reading Wisdom, but through DCBS, so reviews will be slightly behind, though I can go back and post reviews for the first two issues (which I highly enjoyed).

As for what I read, I currently read Uncanny, Astonishing, X-Men, X-Factor, Cable/Deadpool, New X-Men. I ditched Ultimate X-Men a few issues back (though there is always the possibility of reading in trade format).

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh, and lets go with X's instead of stars. Why the hell not.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I just read my preview copy of next week's Uncanny earlier today, and I absolutely loved it. Action out the ass, but it's not mindnumbing pointless action.

Sweetness.

[twigglet]

that's one of the reasons i wanted to start up this thread

and i hop you post here often! rabbitt and I will need some one to keep us from derailing

I love the X-men, without the cartoons or movies I wouldn't be reading comics.

Also! A question I've been meaning to ask for a while, does anyone know what happened to Jubilee in Wolverine Origins? She's one of my favorite characters, and I'm wondering if this could set up the supposed big return of her.

[bairdduvessa]

I just read my preview copy of next week's Uncanny earlier today, and I absolutely loved it. Action out the ass, but it's not mindnumbing pointless action.
sweet
I'm reading Wisdom, but through DCBS, so reviews will be slightly behind, though I can go back and post reviews for the first two issues (which I highly enjoyed).

i only read the first issue and wasn't a fan
Oh, and lets go with X's instead of stars. Why the hell not.
lol ok
I love the X-men, without the cartoons or movies I wouldn't be reading comics.
same here!

Also! A question I've been meaning to ask for a while, does anyone know what happened to Jubilee in Wolverine Origins? She's one of my favorite characters, and I'm wondering if this could set up the supposed big return of her.
wish i knew kiddo

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I just read X-Factor 16. A few thoughts:

Damn fine issue. PAD has been writing some perfect characterization for Madrox in this series and that continues in this issue. 5 out of 5 X's
I was very glad to see Jamie let the dupe go free at the end of the issue. I honestly couldn't tell if he was going to or not. There is so much potential built into the plotline of Jamie sending dupes out into the world and I think PAD has only begun with their stories. Shit, every issue could simply be about Jamie meeting another dupe and I'd be perfectly happy.

The Monet/Siryn sub-plot moves along nicely. I'm not too sure who the mysterious baddy is lurking in the background, though. And the red balloon joke was completely lost on me. Still great stuff.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i only read the first issue and wasn't a fan


Really? I thought it was fun. And frankly I was tired of the piss-poor portrayal of Wisdom over in New Excalibur. This book is a nice change of pace as far as that's concerned. And the art is killer.

[bairdduvessa]

I just read X-Factor 16. A few thoughts:

Damn fine issue. PAD has been writing some perfect characterization for Madrox in this series and that continues in this issue. 5 out of 5 X's
I was very glad to see Jamie let the dupe go free at the end of the issue. I honestly couldn't tell if he was going to or not. There is so much potential built into the plotline of Jamie sending dupes out into the world and I think PAD has only begun with their stories. Shit, every issue could simply be about Jamie meeting another dupe and I'd be perfectly happy.

The Monet/Siryn sub-plot moves along nicely. I'm not too sure who the mysterious baddy is lurking in the background, though. And the red balloon joke was completely lost on me. Still great stuff.

i've been rereading x-factor vissionaries peter david volume 1, and the stuff with madrox goes way back.

the red balloon bit was a joke about a french movie stereotype. There is this classic story that involves a red baloon floating around.

[Sam Little]

I like the X-Men.

[bairdduvessa]

I like the X-Men.

come on in sammy

[Sam Little]

I've been reading Astonishing, Uncanny, Carey's X-Men, Ultimate X-Men, Exiles, Wolverine and Origins.

I'm afraid the only titles I'm really enjoying are Astonishing and, to a lesser extent, Exiles and Origins.

I'm thisclose to dropping Ultimate, adjectiveless, and Wolverine as Kirkman is really doing nothing for me and Loeb's first issue was a big batch of nicely drawn nothing new. Carey's stuff isn't for me, I guess.

I really want to like Brubaker's run but it just hasn't grabbed me yet. I'm looking forward to the Morlock storyline though.

Exiles has been consistent fun and I'm enjoying Claremont so far.

Whoops, didn't really mean to come off as a big negative nelly here. I am an old-school X-fan and I may be finally outgrowing the titles.

I probably enjoy Astonishing so much since it is so blatantly nostalgic for the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne/Smith period that I hold so close to my heart.

Whoops, work meeting. Gotta go...

[joeAR]

I just realized that i'm reading and really enjoying the majority of the X-Books that are out there.
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
Cable and Deadpool
New X-Men
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine

[Dingo]

I just realized that i'm reading and really enjoying the majority of the X-Books that are out there.
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
Cable and Deadpool
New X-Men
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine

There isn't much more is there...?

Exiles
New Excalibur

Any more?

[bairdduvessa]

I've been reading Astonishing, Uncanny, Carey's X-Men, Ultimate X-Men, Exiles, Wolverine and Origins.

I'm afraid the only titles I'm really enjoying are Astonishing and, to a lesser extent, Exiles and Origins.

I'm thisclose to dropping Ultimate, adjectiveless, and Wolverine as Kirkman is really doing nothing for me and Loeb's first issue was a big batch of nicely drawn nothing new. Carey's stuff isn't for me, I guess.

I really want to like Brubaker's run but it just hasn't grabbed me yet. I'm looking forward to the Morlock storyline though.

Exiles has been consistent fun and I'm enjoying Claremont so far.

Whoops, didn't really mean to come off as a big negative nelly here. I am an old-school X-fan and I may be finally outgrowing the titles.

I probably enjoy Astonishing so much since it is so blatantly nostalgic for the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne/Smith period that I hold so close to my heart.

Whoops, work meeting. Gotta go...
we could use the dissent
I just realized that i'm reading and really enjoying the majority of the X-Books that are out there.
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
Cable and Deadpool
New X-Men
Wolverine Origins
Wolverine
good man, welcome to the thread

[joeAR]

but will probably get that big X-crossover coming soon.


I have mixed feelings regarding the x-crossover. On one hand it'll be cool to see a huge threat that the x-teams need to respond to but on one hand I don't want a repeat of how it used to be where every summer there was a X-crossover just for the sake of a crossover. Granted there hasn't been one since Dreams End which was six years ago.

[joeAR]

we could use the dissent

good man, welcome to the thread


I buy my books ever other week so i'll give my review of X-Men and X-Factor then.

[bairdduvessa]

I have mixed feelings regarding the x-crossover. On one hand it'll be cool to see a huge threat that the x-teams need to respond to but on one hand I don't want a repeat of how it used to be where every summer there was a X-crossover just for the sake of a crossover. Granted there hasn't been one since Dreams End which was six years ago.
i agree, and my wallet agrees with you too
I buy my books ever other week so i'll give my review of X-Men and X-Factor then.
feel free to come in here and talk, gossip, post theories etc. I want this to be kind of like ray's thread or even vonn's civil war thread, hell feel free to derail once in a while

[Kefky]

I have mixed feelings regarding the x-crossover. On one hand it'll be cool to see a huge threat that the x-teams need to respond to but on one hand I don't want a repeat of how it used to be where every summer there was a X-crossover just for the sake of a crossover. Granted there hasn't been one since Dreams End which was six years ago.

99% of the time I'd agree with you, but with these creative teams, I honestly don't see how it could possibly go bad. It'll have to be solid, at the very least.

[Sam Little]

I hope we'll see a lot of good character interaction in the crossover rather than just wall to wall action. I really enjoyed House of M for that reason.

The new X-crossover is slated to be more of the old-style book to book to book crossover with each creative team doing a chapter in their own book, isn't it? Those are tricky to pull off, but hopefully these guys are all working closely in concert on it.

[Raydawggie]

I only read Uncanny, New X-men, and Astonishing, plus Ultimate, but I'll do my best to make myself a presence here. :thumb:

[bairdduvessa]

I hope we'll see a lot of good character interaction in the crossover rather than just wall to wall action. I really enjoyed House of M for that reason.

The new X-crossover is slated to be more of the old-style book to book to book crossover with each creative team doing a chapter in their own book, isn't it? Those are tricky to pull off, but hopefully these guys are all working closely in concert on it.
we shall see
I only read Uncanny, New X-men, and Astonishing, plus Ultimate, but I'll do my best to make myself a presence here. :thumb:
yay!

[Scotty]

Just like to say how thrilled for an official X-men thread.

[Jef UK]

I was reading Uncanny X-Men #97, "Enter the Man Called, "Havok," and back in the day, Chris Claremont's narratation and exposition really added to the narrative rather than being an annoying distraction. Cockram's art was wonderful. I want that Uncanny Omnibus now. Any deals online?

[Sam Little]

I was reading Uncanny X-Men #97, "Enter the Man Called, "Havok," and back in the day, Chris Claremont's narratation and exposition really added to the narrative rather than being an annoying distraction. Cockram's art was wonderful. I want that Uncanny Omnibus now. Any deals online?

Awesome cover on that particular issue too. I'm torn about buying the Omnibus. I have the first three Uncanny Masterworks, but I hear the recoloring in the Omnibus is quite nice. Anyone on here picked it up?

[Ryudo]

If we pick characters, I'm calling Cyclops.

I mostly stick to AXM, Ult.XM (although I've dropped that book like a bad habit recently), and read the main X-books in passing. I've been following the storylines in both Uncanny and adjectiveless. 196 was... okay, not great. I liked the resolution and the way Sabretooth defeated the guy though.

Oh, and bairdy, it's Rogue, not rouge. That's a makeup. :p

[bairdduvessa]

Just like to say how thrilled for an official X-men thread.
welcome to the thread
I was reading Uncanny X-Men #97, "Enter the Man Called, "Havok," and back in the day, Chris Claremont's narratation and exposition really added to the narrative rather than being an annoying distraction. Cockram's art was wonderful. I want that Uncanny Omnibus now. Any deals online?
i've read some of his old stuff and he can be hit or miss. His intros to the first woverine mini were annoying as fuck. welcome to the thread
If we pick characters, I'm calling Cyclops.

I mostly stick to AXM, Ult.XM (although I've dropped that book like a bad habit recently), and read the main X-books in passing. I've been following the storylines in both Uncanny and adjectiveless. 196 was... okay, not great. I liked the resolution and the way Sabretooth defeated the guy though.

Oh, and bairdy, it's Rogue, not rouge. That's a makeup. :p

welcome to the thread. and damnit we all know i cannot spell.

but yea. there is a deadpool icon i want to use if we call characters

[Albert]

I really liked seeing Humberto's pencils in this current X-Men arc, especially nearly-naked Rogue.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i've been rereading x-factor vissionaries peter david volume 1, and the stuff with madrox goes way back.

the red balloon bit was a joke about a french movie stereotype. There is this classic story that involves a red baloon floating around.

Ah, yes, I loved PADs older X-Factor workl, though it was far too short lived. I should dig those out some day for a re-read.

As for the red balloon... yeah, that went way over my head.

[bairdduvessa]

I really liked seeing Humberto's pencils in this current X-Men arc, especially nearly-naked Rogue.

i'm not a fan of his art, but he is leagues better than the other dude...who's name i will not even attempt to spell

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm reading Wisdom, but through DCBS, so reviews will be slightly behind, though I can go back and post reviews for the first two issues (which I highly enjoyed).

As for what I read, I currently read Uncanny, Astonishing, X-Men, X-Factor, Cable/Deadpool, New X-Men. I ditched Ultimate X-Men a few issues back (though there is always the possibility of reading in trade format).

Shit. I forgot Exiles. I've been reading that since day one.

[Albert]

i'm not a fan of his art, but he is leagues better than the other dude...who's name i will not even attempt to spell

The only problem I had with it was the last panel where Cable is saying "Rogue is about to DIE!" but the panel has him, like, smirking.

[bairdduvessa]

The only problem I had with it was the last panel where Cable is saying "Rogue is about to DIE!" but the panel has him, like, smirking.

i had some issues with the fight scenes

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Awesome cover on that particular issue too. I'm torn about buying the Omnibus. I have the first three Uncanny Masterworks, but I hear the recoloring in the Omnibus is quite nice. Anyone on here picked it up?

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/79/3093_20060529105915_large.jpg

Damn fine cover.

I've been considering buying the omnibus, as well. I have almost all of the originals, but I still think an omnibus is the way to go.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

If we pick characters, I'm calling Cyclops.


Dibs on Beast.

[Dingo]

i had some issues with the fight scenes

I misread that as "I had some issues with fight scenes".

"DUH", I thought.

[bairdduvessa]

I misread that as "I had some issues with fight scenes".

"DUH", I thought.

with my typing skills i'm suprised it didn't

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Cool! X-Men thread! I read Astonishing, Uncanny, Exiles, new Excalibur (although it was yesterday before I realized I hadn't picked up the latest issue), X-Factor, new X-Men, X-23, and Ultimate. I despise the art and writing on Adjectiveless and the Wolverine books are same old same old so nope, not interested. Ultimate is pretty bad most months but theg ood issues make buying it worthwhile and to be honest, i really dislike Astonishing and only buy it 'cause I enjoy disliking it.

Any leaks on the X-over? From the one Mike Carey book I've ever enjoyed (the annual) we have Exodus and Mister Sinister but seriously, there are 198 mutants left. How good can it be?

If we're picking X-Men, the obvious one for me would be Northstar but I don't want to go that route, even if he has been my avatar at times.

Oh, and I know I shouldn't like Wisdom but I do. Very little of it has made any sense at all but I'm very entertained while clueless so it's cool

And why the worries about people following this thread? I know I'm still relatively new here but you guys are always interesting to read, even (especially?) when you derail a thread.

[bairdduvessa]

Cool! X-Men thread! I read Astonishing, Uncanny, Exiles, new Excalibur (although it was yesterday before I realized I hadn't picked up the latest issue), X-Factor, new X-Men, X-23, and Ultimate. I despise the art and writing on Adjectiveless and the Wolverine books are same old same old so nope, not interested. Ultimate is pretty bad most months but theg ood issues make buying it worthwhile and to be honest, i really dislike Astonishing and only buy it 'cause I enjoy disliking it.

Any leaks on the X-over? From the one Mike Carey book I've ever enjoyed (the annual) we have Exodus and Mister Sinister but seriously, there are 198 mutants left. How good can it be?

If we're picking X-Men, the obvious one for me would be Northstar but I don't want to go that route, even if he has been my avatar at times.

Oh, and I know I shouldn't like Wisdom but I do. Very little of it has made any sense at all but I'm very entertained while clueless so it's cool

And why the worries about people following this thread? I know I'm still relatively new here but you guys are always interesting to read, even (especially?) when you derail a thread.
i'm cursed. my only thread that has ever gone beyonf 4 pages was the one where i announced that steve irwin was dead.

welcome to the group.

what is it you don't like about mike carey's x-men?

[Ryudo]

Oh yeah, I liked Exiles before Winick left. Now it just blows and the art sucks.

But I have the first four or five trades.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

i'm cursed. my only thread that has ever gone beyonf 4 pages was the one where i announced that steve irwin was dead.

welcome to the group.

what is it you don't like about mike carey's x-men?

Part of it is the lame ass, let's have Cable, Mystique, and Sabretooth back. I know most of that's not his choice but there was no reference to the fact it's been done before and didn't work worth shit. His dialog also feels flat to me and his version of a mystery isn't to leave you clues, it's to simply not tell you things. I really disliked Neverwhere too. Then there's the art. Bachalo's stuff is unsuited (IMHO) to crowd scenes and it doesn't help that the coloring of his issues I did pick up that it looks like they add mud to the colors used on him. Ramos just leaves me cold.

And you want cursed? Your threads might not go anywhere but no one kills a thread like me!

[Matthew Brown]

Oh yeah, I liked Exiles before Winick left. Now it just blows and the art sucks.

But I have the first four or five trades.

I dunno, Claremont is tearing it up currently. Then again, I liked everything and am getting of the opinion that no one can write a bad Exiles story.

[bairdduvessa]

Part of it is the lame ass, let's have Cable, Mystique, and Sabretooth back. I know most of that's not his choice but there was no reference to the fact it's been done before and didn't work worth shit. His dialog also feels flat to me and his version of a mystery isn't to leave you clues, it's to simply not tell you things. I really disliked Neverwhere too. Then there's the art. Bachalo's stuff is unsuited (IMHO) to crowd scenes and it doesn't help that the coloring of his issues I did pick up that it looks like they add mud to the colors used on him. Ramos just leaves me cold.

And you want cursed? Your threads might not go anywhere but no one kills a thread like me!

i've definately got you beat on killing threads!

i agree on the art. I haven't liked Bachalo is years, and Ramos isn't my cop of tea. But I disagree with your oinion of Carey, I love his dialogue it feels real to me. As for his team...my favorite characters tend to be characters that are trying to redeem themselves.

With that said It's bed time for me. I look foward to seeing this thread when i get up

[bairdduvessa]

I dunno, Claremont is tearing it up currently. Then again, I liked everything and am getting of the opinion that no one can write a bad Exiles story.

last arch i read was the AoA cross over. I couldn't stay with it. I have a bunch prior in trades though

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I dunno, Claremont is tearing it up currently. Then again, I liked everything and am getting of the opinion that no one can write a bad Exiles story.

But Claremont ISN'T writing Exiles. It's either a PSylocke series or a continuation of the Roma threads he weaved through X-Men years ago. The art's on the upswing tho'. I've thought it amateurish looking for some time and since Claremont took over it's hundreds times better.

Favorite Exile? Spider-Man 2099!

[Matthew Brown]

But Claremont ISN'T writing Exiles. It's either a PSylocke series or a continuation of the Roma threads he weaved through X-Men years ago. The art's on the upswing tho'. I've thought it amateurish looking for some time and since Claremont took over it's hundreds times better.

Favorite Exile? Spider-Man 2099!

It's not all Psylocke, his use of the rest of the cast shows a respect for the prior stories that I wasn't expecting. And if he's reconciling Exiles' version of the multiverse with the classic Excalibur's version of the multiverse, that can only be a good thing.

Now, if Psylocke somehow replaces Blink as leader, I will be a little peeved.

Edit:

Favorite Exile: MORPH. They better fix him. :(

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh, and I know I shouldn't like Wisdom but I do. Very little of it has made any sense at all but I'm very entertained while clueless so it's cool

Exactly.

And why the worries about people following this thread? I know I'm still relatively new here but you guys are always interesting to read, even (especially?) when you derail a thread.

Thanks, dude. :thumb:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I dunno, Claremont is tearing it up currently. Then again, I liked everything and am getting of the opinion that no one can write a bad Exiles story.

I am hooked on Exiles and have been since day one. I can't help it (especially now that one of my fav characters of all time is on the team - Spidey 2099 :rock: ). Claremont's run is shaping up to be decent, if a bit by-the-books, and I have no problem with that. I can even bet by the fact that Claremont brought along a pet character (Psylocke) as he is wont to do.

And I have my fingers crossed that he'll fix the Morph mess.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

But Claremont ISN'T writing Exiles. It's either a PSylocke series or a continuation of the Roma threads he weaved through X-Men years ago. The art's on the upswing tho'. I've thought it amateurish looking for some time and since Claremont took over it's hundreds times better.

Favorite Exile? Spider-Man 2099!

Hell yeah, brother, Spidey 2099 all the way.

And lets be honest, the concept and character of Roma *is* perfect for the Exiles book. There's absolutely nothing wrong with her being there. As for Psylocke, Claremont always brings along a pet character onto books that he writes. It's something that I've learned to get over.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Damn, looks like i logged off last night about 5 minutes too early as i missed the beginning of this thread.

I've been a hardcore X-Men fan since my earliest days, i'm pretty sure my first real comic purchase(Non-Archie Digest related) was Uncanny X-Men # 222

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/97792366288.222.gif

It wasn't until the classic Chris Claremont/Jim Lee arc in #273-277 that it became my favorite franchise nowadays it's about a 3 way tie between the X-Books,Spider-Man & Avengers lines.

As for today i'm a strict trade reader but looking at my bookshelve i collect Astonishing X-Men,Uncanny X-Men,X-Men,New Excalibur,Wolverine,Wolverine : Origins,X-Factor and i own the first tpb of Cable & Deadpool and plan to collect the remaining trades. As far as New X-Men goes i need to jump on that train one of these days but my OCD won't let me buy until i have all the previous books starting with the New Mutants re-launch a few years back.
Ultimate X-Men meanwhile i want to start buying those Over-sized Jumbo HC's but until then i've only read a dozen or so issues over the years which i have enjoyed.

Looking forward to shooting the breeze here.

[Scotty]

I just read that issue last night. Awesome stuff.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Damn, looks like i logged off last night about 5 minutes too early as i missed the beginning of this thread.

I was wondering where you disappeared to last night

I've been a hardcore X-Men fan since my earliest days, i'm pretty sure my first real comic purchase(Non-Archie Digest related) was Uncanny X-Men # 222

My first X-book was a bit later than that, with issue #300 that I friend gave me (I think in exchange for a transformer... perhaps)



It wasn't until the classic Chris Claremont/Jim Lee arc in #273-277 that it became my favorite franchise nowadays it's about a 3 way tie between the X-Books,Spider-Man & Avengers lines.

I was hooked almost immediately, with (:surrend:) Lobdell's run, but probably just as much so by all the Claremontian back issues that I devoured.

[bairdduvessa]

Damn, looks like i logged off last night about 5 minutes too early as i missed the beginning of this thread.

I've been a hardcore X-Men fan since my earliest days, i'm pretty sure my first real comic purchase(Non-Archie Digest related) was Uncanny X-Men # 222

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/97792366288.222.gif

It wasn't until the classic Chris Claremont/Jim Lee arc in #273-277 that it became my favorite franchise nowadays it's about a 3 way tie between the X-Books,Spider-Man & Avengers lines.

As for today i'm a strict trade reader but looking at my bookshelve i collect Astonishing X-Men,Uncanny X-Men,X-Men,New Excalibur,Wolverine,Wolverine : Origins,X-Factor and i own the first tpb of Cable & Deadpool and plan to collect the remaining trades. As far as New X-Men goes i need to jump on that train one of these days but my OCD won't let me buy until i have all the previous books starting with the New Mutants re-launch a few years back.
Ultimate X-Men meanwhile i want to start buying those Over-sized Jumbo HC's but until then i've only read a dozen or so issues over the years which i have enjoyed.

Looking forward to shooting the breeze here.

welcome to the thread

[xanderharris]

this thread is gonna be a lot of fun. I read pretty much all the x-books with the exception of new excalbur and new xmen

[Vonn Hennigar]

Whatever happened to Longshot?

I swear aside from Jim Lee's last issues in 1992 i can't remember the last time we saw him.

Poor bastard didn't even get an alternate reality version in Age Of Apocalypse.

Here's a couple fun images that have been posted before but hell i love em...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/X-Men2006withoutdeadpool.JPG/800px-X-Men2006withoutdeadpool.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Xmenjimlee.jpg/800px-Xmenjimlee.jpg

[bairdduvessa]

this thread is gonna be a lot of fun. I read pretty much all the x-books with the exception of new excalbur and new xmen

Whatever happened to Longshot?

I swear aside from Jim Lee's last issues in 1992 i can't remember the last time we saw him.

Poor bastard didn't even get an alternate reality version in Age Of Apocalypse.

Here's a couple fun images that have been posted before but hell i love em...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/X-Men2006withoutdeadpool.JPG/800px-X-Men2006withoutdeadpool.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fa/Xmenjimlee.jpg/800px-Xmenjimlee.jpg
longshot went home, married dazzler, fought mojo, was killed by the AoA babies, resurected and last i heard was in exiles.

the first pic is from wizard and it isn't the whole pic...dead pool is standing by himself in the whole pic

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Whatever happened to Longshot?

I swear aside from Jim Lee's last issues in 1992 i can't remember the last time we saw him.

Poor bastard didn't even get an alternate reality version in Age Of Apocalypse.



If I'm to understand it correctly, there's only one Mojoverse and therefore only one Longshot. Ergo, our Longshot is the Longshot currently appearing in Exiles.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I keep forgetting about Exiles :(

I want to get into it but there up to what their 15th tpb?

Maybe when i get caught up on Cable and Deadpool and New X-Men and Mystique,Emma Frost,Gambit,Rogue,Nightcrawler.

Sigh.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I keep forgetting about Exiles :(

I want to get into it but there up to what their 15th tpb?

Maybe when i get caught up on Cable and Deadpool and New X-Men and Mystique,Emma Frost,Gambit,Rogue,Nightcrawler.

Sigh.

The best thing to remember about Exiles is that while it's rarely great, it's always decent. And it's a damn workhorse title, puting out about 15-18 issues a year.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Finish this sentence,

The worst X-Villain of All-Time is...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Finish this sentence,

The worst X-Villain of All-Time is...

Soul Skinner?

Stryfe?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Soul Skinner?

Stryfe?


Stryfe???

Bah! For X-Cutioner's Song alone he earned his place.

If you disagree i WILL fight you. :mad:

[bairdduvessa]

I keep forgetting about Exiles :(

I want to get into it but there up to what their 15th tpb?

Maybe when i get caught up on Cable and Deadpool and New X-Men and Mystique,Emma Frost,Gambit,Rogue,Nightcrawler.

Sigh.

cable/deadpool=gold
new-xmen-early is eh, once the current team took over awesome
mystique was good
emma i never read
gambbit's last series was realy bland
Rogue was decent
Night Crawler was so-so

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Stryfe???

Bah! For X-Cutioner's Song alone he earned his place.

If you disagree i WILL fight you. :mad:

Okay, okay, whatever. But how do you feel about the Soul Skinner, eh?

[bairdduvessa]

Finish this sentence,

The worst X-Villain of All-Time is...

the worst ones i remember reading are the kids mojo turned into adult villans

[xanderharris]

Finish this sentence,

The worst X-Villain of All-Time is...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/xanderharris/TUSK.jpg

[The Jack Rabbitt]

cable/deadpool=gold
new-xmen-early is eh, once the current team took over awesome
mystique was good
emma i never read
gambbit's last series was realy bland
Rogue was decent
Night Crawler was so-so

C/D absolutely awesome
Nightcrawler was decent.
Mystique was good.
NXM was better before the new team and their desire to kill off damn near everybody That said I'm really looking forward to the Magik arc coming up.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Okay, okay, whatever. But how do you feel about the Soul Skinner, eh?

Was that the Russian guy in oh X-Men # 13-14 or so? Andy Kuberts first arc on the book i believe where Colossus's parents kick the bucket?

Yeah he sucked much like that mini arc.

If i had to pick one i'd go with the Vanisher.

What's he do?

He uh Vanishes :?

[Vonn Hennigar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/xanderharris/TUSK.jpg

Got a soft spot for him because A) his first appearance in X-Factor was done with style by Whilce Portacio and B) I loved how the Dark Riders specifically planned to take down X-Factor one by one.

Doesn't mean i remember their names aside from Gauntlet,Red Guy,This Dude,Harddrive and um uh.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was that the Russian guy in oh X-Men # 13-14 or so? Andy Kuberts first arc on the book i believe where Colossus's parents kick the bucket?

Yeah he sucked much like that mini arc.

If i had to pick one i'd go with the Vanisher.

What's he do?

He uh Vanishes :?

Yep, that was the dude. Good memory.
Vanisher was alright. He redeemed himself somewhat in my eyes by "training" Boom Boom, who is a character that I love.

[bairdduvessa]

Was that the Russian guy in oh X-Men # 13-14 or so? Andy Kuberts first arc on the book i believe where Colossus's parents kick the bucket?

Yeah he sucked much like that mini arc.

If i had to pick one i'd go with the Vanisher.

What's he do?

He uh Vanishes :?

i liked casey's take on the vanisher

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Anyone remember Slab, Ruckus, Ramrod, Gorgeous George and Hairbag?

[xanderharris]

Got a soft spot for him because A) his first appearance in X-Factor was done with style by Whilce Portacio and B) I loved how the Dark Riders specifically planned to take down X-Factor one by one.

Doesn't mean i remember their names aside from Gauntlet,Red Guy,This Dude,Harddrive and um uh.

this is true. in retrospect i always hated Hazard from Fabian's X-men run ..issue 13? 12?

[bairdduvessa]

Anyone remember Slab, Ruckus, Ramrod, Gorgeous George and Hairbag?

yup. they appeared in PAD's first x-factor stories!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Got a soft spot for him because A) his first appearance in X-Factor was done with style by Whilce Portacio and B) I loved how the Dark Riders specifically planned to take down X-Factor one by one.

Doesn't mean i remember their names aside from Gauntlet,Red Guy,This Dude,Harddrive and um uh.

:surrend:

Gauntlet, Tusk, Foxbat, Barrage, Psynapse, Hard-Drive...

[xanderharris]

Anyone remember Slab, Ruckus, Ramrod, Gorgeous George and Hairbag?

oh lord yes. the nasty boys! they even were on the cartoon.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

yup. they appeared in PAD's first x-factor stories!

:thumb: you win a no-prize!

[bairdduvessa]

:thumb: you win a no-prize!

and that is rabbitt will do a lap dance for you!

[Vonn Hennigar]

this is true. in retrospect i always hated Hazard from Fabian's X-men run ..issue 13? 12?

God did that idiot ever even show up again? Or did he fry/kill himself in that arc?

Did Chuck's connection to Weapon X through his dad ever get expanded upon?

[xanderharris]

God did that idiot ever even show up again? Or did he fry/kill himself in that arc?

Did Chuck's connection to Weapon X through his dad ever get expanded upon?

never appeared again. but was mentioned in new avengers 18 that he was now powerless due to M-Day.

[Vonn Hennigar]

:surrend:

Gauntlet, Tusk, Foxbat, Barrage, Psynapse, Hard-Drive...

I loved how after Stryfe kicks Apocalypses ass they switch their allegiance to him. They also have a cool issue where they test Cyclops up in Alaska.

Plus didn't they kill Mastermind? Or did he die of the Legacy Virus again?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

and that is rabbitt will do a lap dance for you!

:shock:

[Vonn Hennigar]

never appeared again. but was mentioned in new avengers 18 that he was now powerless due to M-Day.

WHAT? i have that PHC and i don't remember that at all :?

Why the hell would Bendis bring him up? Or is this one of those looking at a computer screen on the Heli-Carrier type of details?

[bairdduvessa]

I loved how after Stryfe kicks Apocalypses ass they switch their allegiance to him. They also have a cool issue where they test Cyclops up in Alaska.

Plus didn't they kill Mastermind? Or did he die of the Legacy Virus again?
he never came back...did he?.
:shock:
my thread my rules

[bairdduvessa]

ok i have to go to work now-i'll try to be on a lil bit later

[Vonn Hennigar]

he never came back...did he?.

my thread my rules

Oh shit no i'm thinking of Metallo! Except he was in his Civvies so no big green armour. They attacked him in his apartment and threw him off his balcony i believe.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I loved how after Stryfe kicks Apocalypses ass they switch their allegiance to him. They also have a cool issue where they test Cyclops up in Alaska.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/103/3985_20060804001721_large.jpg

Plus didn't they kill Mastermind? Or did he die of the Legacy Virus again?

Yep, death due to legacy.

[xanderharris]

WHAT? i have that PHC and i don't remember that at all :?

Why the hell would Bendis bring him up? Or is this one of those looking at a computer screen on the Heli-Carrier type of details?

yep he was shown on the comp screen of the helli-carrier.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

my thread my rules

sonofabitch

[The Jack Rabbitt]

ok i have to go to work now-i'll try to be on a lil bit later

ttfn

[Vonn Hennigar]

Quick, no cheating who were Bishop's 2 partners who came back from the future with him?

[xanderharris]

Quick, no cheating who were Bishop's 2 partners who came back from the future with him?

Malcom and randal?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Malcom and randal?

:vader: Impressive,Most Impressive.

Whatever happened to ol Trevor Fitzroy?

He was a great bastard even with that goddam green hair :nonono2:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Quick, no cheating who were Bishop's 2 partners who came back from the future with him?

malcolm. randall.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Sniff, i love ya Brubaker but was it really necessary?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Banshee-Fleming.jpg

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Sniff, i love ya Brubaker but was it really necessary?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Banshee-Fleming.jpg

:cry:

[bairdduvessa]

Quick, no cheating who were Bishop's 2 partners who came back from the future with him?

malcom and renold right? (i haven't seen if somebody answered this yet)

[bairdduvessa]

Sniff, i love ya Brubaker but was it really necessary?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Banshee-Fleming.jpg

why must you make me remember that!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

malcom and renold right? (i haven't seen if somebody answered this yet)

Close

[bairdduvessa]

Close

i remember how proud i was when i finally bought their first appearance. i think it cost me $16

[Magnum V.I.]

You know what X-Men death I loved the most?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dc/Uncannyxmen438.jpg/396px-Uncannyxmen438.jpg

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i remember how proud i was when i finally bought their first appearance. i think it cost me $16

I just looked and it only cost me $2

[bairdduvessa]

You know what X-Men death I loved the most?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dc/Uncannyxmen438.jpg/396px-Uncannyxmen438.jpg
YES!
I just looked and it only cost me $2

:cry:

[Magnum V.I.]

YES!



I like to Think Nimrod raped him with his robot dick before he died.

Too bad his mutant powers didn't include a Bullet Proof Face!

[bairdduvessa]

I like to Think Nimrod raped him with his robot dick before he died.

Too bad his mutant powers didn't include a Bullet Proof Face!

he he lays with robots!

[Magnum V.I.]

he he lays with robots!

Oh Yeah! :rock:!!

[bairdduvessa]

Oh Yeah! :rock:!!

what the fuck were the x-editors and austen thinking when they took sams's racist brother and giving him the same powers as paige's sugar daddy?

[Magnum V.I.]

what the fuck were the x-editors and austen thinking when they took sams's racist brother and giving him the same powers as paige's sugar daddy?

Now...What the Fuck was Austen thinking when he gave god damn angel mutant special blood, gayified nightcrawler's past, and made the book a steaming pile of shit I made 45 bucks off of on Ebay when I sold my run. :mad:

[bairdduvessa]

Now...What the Fuck was Austen thinking when he gave god damn angel mutant special blood, gayified nightcrawler's past, and made the book a steaming pile of shit I made 45 bucks off of on Ebay when I sold my run. :mad:
i honestly enjoyed austen's run until "she lays with..."
although not nearly as much as i did Casey's (and i will defend that run until the end of time!)

[Magnum V.I.]

i honestly enjoyed austen's run until "she lays with..."
althought not nearly as much as i did Casey's (and i will defend that run until the end of time!)

I didn't like Austens Run in retrospect at all.


Caseys was fucking AWESOME!

[bairdduvessa]

I didn't like Austens Run in retrospect at all.


Caseys was fucking AWESOME!

there was some great stuff out of austen's run

Juggernauts redemption
North Star Joining the X-Teams (damn you Mark Millar!)
I loved that the had a nurse and she was human
No More Havok and Polaris loving
Jubes back on the teams

i was up in the air about some things he was doing, like saying that there were certain classes of mutants that would band together like Dominant Species wolves, beserkers, etc.

i didn't like how his team was back at the mansion where as casey had them roaming the world. And yes the dialogue could be a bit off. And wtf was with Stacy X's skin then just leaving? grrrrrr
Angel's blood was dumb....then again evering abot him has been dumb since his regular wings came back.
chamber getting pretty much no send off sucked.
I've never liked husk.

[Magnum V.I.]

there was some great stuff out of austen's run

Juggernauts redemption
North Star Joining the X-Teams (damn you Mark Millar!)
I loved that the had a nurse and she was human
No More Havok and Polaris loving
Jubes back on the teams

i was up in the air about some things he was doing, like saying that there were certain classes of mutants that would band together like Dominant Species wolves, beserkers, etc.

i didn't like how his team was back at the mansion where as casey had them roaming the world. And yes the dialogue could be a bit off. And wtf was with Stacy X's skin then just leaving? grrrrrr
Angel's blood was dumb....then again evering abot him has been dumb since his regular wings came back.
chamber getting pretty much no send off sucked.
I've never liked husk.

I only enjoyed his Juggs stories, seriously, I hated everything else. But Now we have Bru on the book and it is fucking AWESOME! :rock:

[bairdduvessa]

casey's run was a lot of fun. And how it should have been. There should be a home team and an away team. the away team stays away form the f'ing school.
there were no heavy hitters (ala collosus, juggernaut or warpath). The team had to use strategy to take down villans (like freezing vanshier as he left). they had a seductress who enjoyed her work. etc. Plus they had Iceman doing an ice like kahmehamia (sp) wave!

[bairdduvessa]

I only enjoyed his Juggs stories, seriously, I hated everything else. But Now we have Bru on the book and it is fucking AWESOME! :rock:

i'm more of a mike carey kind of guy (if only they could get a decent artist!)

billy tan on brus run has been amazing!

[Magnum V.I.]

i'm more of a mike carey kind of guy (if only they could get a decent artist!)

billy tan on brus run has been amazing!

Oh yeah, I love Tan's art. I am enjoying all X-Men right now. I just think they all have great stories and great artists. Though people keep bashing Ramos and whoever else is on it. I love it.

[bairdduvessa]

Oh yeah, I love Tan's art. I am enjoying all X-Men right now. I just think they all have great stories and great artists. Though people keep bashing Ramos and whoever else is on it. I love it.

in comparison to Bachelo(sp) ramos is a god send, still i'm not a fan of the art. It's too comical(as in haha funny) looking. Ramos would be good on something like spiderman, or booster gold IMO

[Magnum V.I.]

in comparison to Bachelo(sp) ramos is a god send, still i'm not a fan of the art. It's too comical(as in haha funny) looking. Ramos would be good on something like spiderman, or booster gold IMO

Well regardless of art, the stories are still top notch.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

in comparison to Bachelo(sp) ramos is a god send, still i'm not a fan of the art. It's too comical(as in haha funny) looking. Ramos would be good on something like spiderman, or booster gold IMO

Dude, your back asswards. Ramos is crap. Bachalo is much better, though still not ideal.

[bairdduvessa]

Dude, your back asswards. Ramos is crap. Bachalo is much better, though still not ideal.

at least with Ramos i can tell who is who and what is supposed to be what

[The Jack Rabbitt]

at least with Ramos i can tell who is who and what is supposed to be what

...but they all look like crap!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Carey is better than Milligan and that's something I never thought I'd say in a million years, especially after Enigma. I lasted I think three issues before I had to bail. I have trouble articulating why. It's a gut thing mostly but the non-mysterious mysteries and the general air of confusion turned me off. Then there was his appearing to worsen an allready bad situation with Northstar (he gets props for undoing everything in the annual but too little, too late for me). The worst part for me is that Mike Carey is so damn fascinating in interviews and I hate that I hate nearly everything he produces!

And was Josh the Guthrie child who had the sonic power in that New Mutants story?

And on a tangent, it annoyed when Claremont decided years back that Banshee couldn't talk and use his sonics at the same time. With his mutant voice box why couldn't he? Ugh.

[bairdduvessa]

Carey is better than Milligan and that's something I never thought I'd say in a million years, especially after Enigma. I lasted I think three issues before I had to bail. I have trouble articulating why. It's a gut thing mostly but the non-mysterious mysteries and the general air of confusion turned me off. Then there was his appearing to worsen an allready bad situation with Northstar (he gets props for undoing everything in the annual but too little, too late for me). The worst part for me is that Mike Carey is so damn fascinating in interviews and I hate that I hate nearly everything he produces!

And was Josh the Guthrie child who had the sonic power in that New Mutants story?

And on a tangent, it annoyed when Claremont decided years back that Banshee couldn't talk and use his sonics at the same time. With his mutant voice box why couldn't he? Ugh.

yea josh had a mutant singing ability too (sigh)

the banshee thing was later undone, and previously would have been wrong too as he talks while flying in ginat size (im memory serves me right).

[bairdduvessa]

ok lets open up the floor on jay guthire

was he editorialy created as auten claims?

when the writers of New Mutants (/New X-men Mutant Academy bre HoM) were writing do you think they chose to have them, or do you think he was forced down their throats?

I'm going with the latter. Esseiantly he's there but as a back ground, eventualy he kept getting more and more screen time (as a hellion)until he joined the team (new Mutants)...all of a sudden he devoloped a useful power with harmonics...i mean come on what good is a guy who can fly and heal be to a team?

[Magnum V.I.]

ok lets open up the floor on jay guthire

was he editorialy created as auten claims?

when the writers of New Mutants (/New X-men Mutant Academy bre HoM) were writing do you think they chose to have them, or do you think he was forced down their throats?

I'm going with the latter. Esseiantly he's there but as a back ground, eventualy he kept getting more and more screen time (as a hellion)until he joined the team (new Mutants)...all of a sudden he devoloped a useful power with harmonics...i mean come on what good is a guy who can fly and heal be to a team?

Maybe...All I know is he is an older character. Stared in his own What if once. Austen made him gay though...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Personal choices for current best X-book? I know there'll be a lot of push for X-Factor but I find it too static and talky. Sure, the art has taken a radical upswing but I still expect that to end any second. No, for me it's New X-Men, a book that I picked up on a whim when Decimation started and was immediately hooked. Great art (but that's in peril, isn't it?) and a superlative writing team have me eager for every issue to come out. Does anyone else arrange their weekly buy pile from least anticipated to most, with one or two can't waits? New X-Men is almost always one of my can't waits. This is a book with consequences and everyone involved makes you feel like these are really kids, not underformed adults. I also like the way it feels as if the writers know how arcs end before they even start the ones before.

And online it feels like no one knows this book exists. Students at Xavier's haven't been this interesting since a Demon Bear attacked Dani Moonstar and the world should be celebrating it!

[bairdduvessa]

Maybe...All I know is he is an older character. Stared in his own What if once. Austen made him gay though...
he is an older character. he was sam's lil racist brother

[bairdduvessa]

Personal choices for current best X-book? I know there'll be a lot of push for X-Factor but I find it too static and talky. Sure, the art has taken a radical upswing but I still expect that to end any second. No, for me it's New X-Men, a book that I picked up on a whim when Decimation started and was immediately hooked. Great art (but that's in peril, isn't it?) and a superlative writing team have me eager for every issue to come out. Does anyone else arrange their weekly buy pile from least anticipated to most, with one or two can't waits? New X-Men is almost always one of my can't waits. This is a book with consequences and everyone involved makes you feel like these are really kids, not underformed adults. I also like the way it feels as if the writers know how arcs end before they even start the ones before.

And online it feels like no one knows this book exists. Students at Xavier's haven't been this interesting since a Demon Bear attacked Dani Moonstar and the world should be celebrating it!

i honestly read 52 first so i can go play in ray's thread. sometimes I will put everything else in order. Now that this thread is active x-books will be first and for front.

i never read the original new mutants other than what i've caught in trades (Fall of the Mutants-X-tinction agenda) And some of Liefield's stuff (cable's first appearance, deadpool's first (two copies!) and the last issue or two).

But yea I love New X-Men, every month i saw, I'm gonna drop it, then every month i salivate over the new issues. After the X-Over this summer i think i'll do online ordering for it and New Excallibur though

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i honestly read 52 first so i can go play in ray's thread. sometimes I will put everything else in order. Now that this thread is active x-books will be first and for front.

i never read the original new mutants other than what i've caught in trades (Fall of the Mutants-X-tinction agenda) And some of Liefield's stuff (cable's first appearance, deadpool's first (two copies!) and the last issue or two).

But yea I love New X-Men, every month i saw, I'm gonna drop it, then every month i salivate over the new issues. After the X-Over this summer i think i'll do online ordering for it and New Excallibur though

Dude, you should seriously read the old New Mutants stuff. I absolutely loved it.

[bairdduvessa]

Dude, you should seriously read the old New Mutants stuff. I absolutely loved it.

do they have essientals out? (that's how i'm catching up on that lord awful simonson x-factor)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

do they have essientals out? (that's how i'm catching up on that lord awful simonson x-factor)

I've no idea. I picked up the issues years ago. They absolutely deseve some good trades

[bairdduvessa]

I've no idea. I picked up the issues years ago. They absolutely deseve some good trades

i never got into the new mutants mostly because by the time was reading x-force was there. plus i hate cannoball and sun spot.

some where in some trade i have, i have some issues wehre brittish psylocke is hanging with the new mutants fighting mojo and x'ian's temporarily adult siblings (plus the causasion jubilee), later i saw them fighting mutants at wimbedon, in their "adult" oufits...it was quite painful

[bairdduvessa]

next weeks supposeded "haul";
ONSLAUGHT REBORN #3 (OF 5)
UNCANNY X-MEN #484 $2.99*


*books i will review and pick up on thursday

[bairdduvessa]

ok i'm caught up on all the things i need to do at work by now (including paperwork) so i'm gonna have to sign of for a bit

[The Jack Rabbitt]

next weeks supposeded "haul";
ONSLAUGHT REBORN #3 (OF 5)
UNCANNY X-MEN #484 $2.99*


*books i will review and pick up on thursday

I'll be grabbing UXM in shop.
Onslaught is coming via DCBS. :surrend:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

ok i'm caught up on all the things i need to do at work by now (including paperwork) so i'm gonna have to sign of for a bit

Ciao. :wave:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

i honestly read 52 first so i can go play in ray's thread. sometimes I will put everything else in order. Now that this thread is active x-books will be first and for front.

If there's a 52 thread please don't tell me where it is. I have never been as disgusted by a comic (and I survived the 80's and 90's) as I am by the latest issue. The murder and torture of children is NOT entertainment and it also seems to be Geoff Johns' chief contribution to DC of late. I will never pick up another issue of 52, including WW3, and JSA is the only title I plan on reading with his name attached.

'Course, knowing where the WWH thread is might be good. I have some gamma powered negativity I wouldn't mind sharing...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

If there's a 52 thread please don't tell me where it is. I have never been as disgusted by a comic (and I survived the 80's and 90's) as I am by the latest issue. The murder and torture of children is NOT entertainment and it also seems to be Geoff Johns' chief contribution to DC of late. I will never pick up another issue of 52, including WW3, and JSA is the only title I plan on reading with his name attached.

'Course, knowing where the WWH thread is might be good. I have some gamma powered negativity I wouldn't mind sharing...

BTW, could someone go to this link and tell me if the buttons look as disgusting as I'm afraid they do? I wanted something new and blanked so I went with a Marvel character's navel...
http://members3.boardhost.com/Elseworlds/

The link looks like a normal message board to me.

As for Ray's DCU thread and my WWH thread... I suppose I won't post links, after alll...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Yeah, don't. After the Osiris scene and with the way things are going reminding me of the last time the Big 2 got addicted to big event crossovers it's best I stay away...

[bairdduvessa]

why oh why did they never release a Muir Island Saga trade? was there some character in it Marvel doesn't own the license for anymore?

What about Legion Quest?

[Sam Little]

I've no idea. I picked up the issues years ago. They absolutely deseve some good trades

They just came out with two New Mutants Classic trades. They collect number 1-17 I think. The Bill Sienckewicz stuff starts with the next trade (which I assume is coming).

I loved the New Mutants series right up until Claremont stopped writing it, then it kind of went to shit.

The absolute best new mutants stuff is actually in the X-Men/Alpha Flight trade with awesome Art Adams art. Don't know if it's still in print but it's worth tracking down.

[Sam Little]

why oh why did they never release a Muir Island Saga trade? was there some character in it Marvel doesn't own the license for anymore?

What about Legion Quest?

What is the Muir island saga?

Is Legion Quest the storyline right before Age of Apocalypse? If so, that is were I initially stopped reading all X-titles until Morisson came one. I remember they actually all had a sort of ending, so I thought I'd pretend they actually DID end since I was losing interest around then.

[bairdduvessa]

They just came out with two New Mutants Classic trades. They collect number 1-17 I think. The Bill Sienckewicz stuff starts with the next trade (which I assume is coming).

I loved the New Mutants series right up until Claremont stopped writing it, then it kind of went to shit.

The absolute best new mutants stuff is actually in the X-Men/Alpha Flight trade with awesome Art Adams art. Don't know if it's still in print but it's worth tracking down.
i'll keep that in mind
What is the Muir island saga?

Is Legion Quest the storyline right before Age of Apocalypse? If so, that is were I initially stopped reading all X-titles until Morisson came one. I remember they actually all had a sort of ending, so I thought I'd pretend they actually DID end since I was losing interest around then.

muir island sage was the final x-over before the 2nd x-men volume began, reuniting x-men, xavier and the original x-factor vs shadow king and the army he controlled on Muir Island.

I only have the first part, and while cheep enough for me to buy the rest, I'd like it all in one volume.

legion's quest was the x-0ver before the AoA x-over (don't kid yourself folks we are heading that way again)

[bairdduvessa]

derail!
so i was just going into a store to look for trades (nothing i wanted) as i arrived a school bus full of teen agers pulled into the Toys r' Us next store. I am so glad I don't work there any more

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I was disappointed they went from the Legion in New Mutants to the one that casued Age of Apocalypse without much transition. Having a character with four ditinct personalities would have been interesting in aa book full time. 'Course, with Jean Grey popping up more times than bread our of a broken toaster it's a possibilty still...

and I think I've come up with a way to bring Jean back without all the baggage of her last decade or two...

[Vonn Hennigar]

I was disappointed they went from the Legion in New Mutants to the one that casued Age of Apocalypse without much transition. Having a character with four ditinct personalities would have been interesting in aa book full time. 'Course, with Jean Grey popping up more times than bread our of a broken toaster it's a possibilty still...

and I think I've come up with a way to bring Jean back without all the baggage of her last decade or two...

The Shadow King took over David's body in The Muir Island Saga circa 1991,when he was defeated Legion fell into a coma not waking up until 4 years later with his fractured mind healed.

Obviously we all know what happened next.

Hmmm strange i think Emma Frost was in a Coma for the same amount of time now that i think about it. Waking up a few months earlier than Legion but still.

[bairdduvessa]

I was disappointed they went from the Legion in New Mutants to the one that casued Age of Apocalypse without much transition. Having a character with four ditinct personalities would have been interesting in aa book full time. 'Course, with Jean Grey popping up more times than bread our of a broken toaster it's a possibilty still...

and I think I've come up with a way to bring Jean back without all the baggage of her last decade or two...

shadow king did fuck with his head....


i came up with last night with a way to explain the random Stryfe appearances since his death way back in Cable. And one that doesn't involve him time travelling and keeping nate's clone dead!

[bairdduvessa]

damnit vonn beat me

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So regarding this week's X-Factor,

does anyone have any thoughts on who the hooded dude is?

[Vonn Hennigar]

So regarding this week's X-Factor,

does anyone have any thoughts on who the hooded dude is?

It's Clearly RANDOM!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Random.PNG/250px-Random.PNG

Joe Q's Love-Letter to Lobo.

No seriously :-?

I'm still 11 issues behind on X-Factor sadly.

[bairdduvessa]

It's Clearly RANDOM!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Random.PNG/250px-Random.PNG

Joe Q's Love-Letter to Lobo.

No seriously :-?

I'm still 11 issues behind on X-Factor sadly.

um no. too big of a frame, way different powers. plus random is hanging with exodus these days

i have a feeling that who ever it is is a new chatavyer

[The Jack Rabbitt]

um no. too big of a frame, way different powers. plus random is hanging with exodus these days

i have a feeling that who ever it is is a new chatavyer

y'think? I was getting the impression that it was someone we've seen before.

[Eric Williams]

I haven't read the issue myself, so I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but would it possibly be:

Mr. Sinister? He's somehow involved in the big X-Crossover next summer, so this could be foreshadowing of some sort.

But once again, I haven't read the issue in question, so forgive me if my guess makes no sense.

[bairdduvessa]

I haven't read the issue myself, so I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but would it possibly be:

Mr. Sinister? He's somehow involved in the big X-Crossover next summer, so this could be foreshadowing of some sort.

But once again, I haven't read the issue in question, so forgive me if my guess makes no sense.

it is a good theory. xander harris said the same thing to me on im the thing that makes me think it isn't him is SPOILERS the hooded dude teleports a bunch of cops away

[The Jack Rabbitt]

it is a good theory. xander harris said the same thing to me on im the thing that makes me think it isn't him is SPOILERS the hooded dude teleports a bunch of cops away

He was my first thought when we see the character in the shadows, but towards the end I'd decided against him.

[bairdduvessa]

He was my first thought when we see the character in the shadows, but towards the end I'd decided against him.

i thought death gambit too

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I don't think Hood Man is an old character. I think PAD has come up with someone new, hopefully his addition finally to the X-gallery of foes that will stand the test of time.

And I don't think Hood Man teleported anybody...

[bairdduvessa]

I don't think Hood Man is an old character. I think PAD has come up with someone new, hopefully his addition finally to the X-gallery of foes that will stand the test of time.

And I don't think Hood Man teleported anybody...

i could have missread what occured.

i hope it is some one new too, but i was just thinking about old villans it could have been and I came up with

orphan maker. It kind of fits him MO, with the girl being an orphan (and he may have helped kill her parents. Apparently without his suit he is supposed to be an incredibly powerful mutant. Plus he has ties to Sinister...which could explain the red eyes

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i could have missread what occured.

i hope it is some one new too, but i was just thinking about old villans it could have been and I came up with

orphan maker. It kind of fits him MO, with the girl being an orphan (and he may have helped kill her parents. Apparently without his suit he is supposed to be an incredibly powerful mutant. Plus he has ties to Sinister...which could explain the red eyes

I like your ideas. I shall subscribe to your newsletter.

[bairdduvessa]

I like your ideas. I shall subscribe to your newsletter.

what about my theory that billy shears was killed and replaced by a time dispaced paul?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Paul O'Brien has his X-reviews up for this week over at the X-axis:
http://www.thexaxis.com/excalibur/newexcalibur17.htm

He talks about New Excalibur 17, X-Men 196, Wisdom 3, Wolvie 51, and X-Factor 16.

[Eric Williams]

Man, I can't wait for the third X-Factor PHC. Sounds like the series is really getting back on track.

[bairdduvessa]

Man, I can't wait for the third X-Factor PHC. Sounds like the series is really getting back on track.

it's insane!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Man, I can't wait for the third X-Factor PHC. Sounds like the series is really getting back on track.

I fuckin love this series! :rock:

[bairdduvessa]

Paul O'Brien has his X-reviews up for this week over at the X-axis:
http://www.thexaxis.com/excalibur/newexcalibur17.htm

He talks about New Excalibur 17, X-Men 196, Wisdom 3, Wolvie 51, and X-Factor 16.

ixnay on the ompetitioncay:scared:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

ixnay on the ompetitioncay:scared:

Que?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Ack!

"Astonishing X-Men #21 has been pushed back from 14 March to 2 May, and issue #22 from 18 April to 4 July."

[bairdduvessa]

Ack!

"Astonishing X-Men #21 has been pushed back from 14 March to 2 May, and issue #22 from 18 April to 4 July."

fuckers!

[Eric Williams]

I fuckin love this series! :rock:
Yeah, it's one of the instances where I almost regret not buying singles. :surrend:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, it's one of the instances where I almost regret not buying singles. :surrend:

It's never too late to make the switch.

[bairdduvessa]

Yeah, it's one of the instances where I almost regret not buying singles. :surrend:

It's never too late to make the switch.

yes, yes join us







one of us

one of us

[Eric Williams]

It's never too late to make the switch.
I know, I'd love to, but the money-saver in me cries an unhappy tune. :cry:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I know, I'd love to, but the money-saver in me cries an unhappy tune. :cry:

I was under the impression that PHCs aren't any cheaper (and are actually more expensive...)

[Eric Williams]

yes, yes join us







one of us

one of us
NOOOOOOO!!!!
:duel:
:scared:

[Eric Williams]

I was under the impression that PHCs aren't any cheaper (and are actually more expensive...)
My shop offers them at a discount, so they still save me quite a bit of money.

[bairdduvessa]

NOOOOOOO!!!!
:duel:
:scared:

:ninjas:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

My shop offers them at a discount, so they still save me quite a bit of money.

Ah. no discounts on singles, though?

[bairdduvessa]

My shop offers them at a discount, so they still save me quite a bit of money.

DBS?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

DBS?

no C?

[bairdduvessa]

no C?

:shifty:

[Eric Williams]

DBS?
Nope, just one of my local shops. They've always got some great deals on trades.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

:shifty:

racist

[bairdduvessa]

Nope, just one of my local shops. They've always got some great deals on trades.
i was saying have you tried it?
racist

what!?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

what!?

:surrend: i got nothing.

[Eric Williams]

i was saying have you tried it?
Ahhh. Nope, can't say I have. I've been meaning to though - heard great things about it.

[bennymatthewtaylor]

And what about the self loathing which will force you into sinking hundreds of dollars to acquire the singles to keep your collection pure? Meanwhile your compendiums are humming constantly that they are lonely and need more compendium friends...

keep it real.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Ahhh. Nope, can't say I have. I've been meaning to though - heard great things about it.

I love it. I use it for all my trades and over half of my singles.

[bairdduvessa]

:surrend: i got nothing.
grrrrrr
Ahhh. Nope, can't say I have. I've been meaning to though - heard great things about it.

same here

[The Jack Rabbitt]

And what about the self loathing which will force you into sinking hundreds of dollars to acquire the singles to keep your collection pure? Meanwhile your compendiums are humming constantly that they are lonely and need more compendium friends...

keep it real.

I believe in integration and harmony.

[bairdduvessa]

And what about the self loathing which will force you into sinking hundreds of dollars to acquire the singles to keep your collection pure? Meanwhile your compendiums are humming constantly that they are lonely and need more compendium friends...

keep it real.

hater :grope:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

grrrrrr


:scared:

[Eric Williams]

Has anyone been reading X-Men: First Class?
I wrote it off initially, but I hear it's actually been pretty fun, even re-visiting the Coffee-A-Go-Go.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Has anyone been reading X-Men: First Class?
I wrote it off initially, but I hear it's actually been pretty fun, even re-visiting the Coffee-A-Go-Go.

I've also heard good things. I may check out a trade when it comes out.

[bairdduvessa]

Has anyone been reading X-Men: First Class?
I wrote it off initially, but I hear it's actually been pretty fun, even re-visiting the Coffee-A-Go-Go.

i have to wait for the trade

[joeAR]

Has anyone been reading X-Men: First Class?
I wrote it off initially, but I hear it's actually been pretty fun, even re-visiting the Coffee-A-Go-Go.


I wrote it off at first until a friend of mine convinced me to buy it. The book is a lot of fucking fun.

[bairdduvessa]

i picked up the first issue and enjoyed it

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Has anyone been reading X-Men: First Class?
I wrote it off initially, but I hear it's actually been pretty fun, even re-visiting the Coffee-A-Go-Go.

I have to admit being disappointed by it but that might be because I was also buying something else the writer was doing that was so much more superb. It feels like the characters don't act quite right (but I will admit it's been years since I read the reprinted original stories) and it's not helping that the new costumes have been stuck on them. I like the series well enough but I find myself thinking of it as a Marvel Adventures book rather than a series of untold tales.


Oh, and to prove nothing makes me happy, I've bitched that Civil War and Ultimates' artwork was way too photorealistic. The way the art on XM:FC is stylized annoys me. Oh well. I'm consistent in my inconsistency...

[bairdduvessa]

. I'm consistent in my inconsistency...

yup you're an x-fan

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

When did Loeb write for the X-books? He said in the interview/panel that he was operating under Harras and that was well before my hiatus from collecting and I cannot place the title or storylines. I have a vague inkling that that it was X-Force related but at my age the memory is the second thing to go...

[Vonn Hennigar]

When did Loeb write for the X-books? He said in the interview/panel that he was operating under Harras and that was well before my hiatus from collecting and I cannot place the title or storylines. I have a vague inkling that that it was X-Force related but at my age the memory is the second thing to go...

X-Force and a LONG run on X-Man. Hell he created Nate Grey.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

X-Force and a LONG run on X-Man. Hell he created Nate Grey.

Actually, Loeb only wrote the first eight or so issues of X-Man. The lion's share goes to Kavanagh.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Actually, Loeb only wrote the first eight or so issues of X-Man. The lion's share goes to Kavanagh.

Really? :? I thought he had a real good run on that book.

Wait, i just checked and you're right X-Man # 1-9. Hmmm.:Oops:

[MarvelKnight877]

Newb to the forum, but just thought I'd chime in and say that X-Factor rocks. :rock:
I was able to attend PAD's workshop in Chicago last year and it was a great time. His book on writing is pretty good too.

Other than that I only keep up with AXM. The other teams just don't interest me as much.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Welcome to the board, dude.

[MarvelKnight877]

Welcome to the board, dude.

Thanks, hopefully a Fake Bendis Board Award is in my future. :cool:

[bairdduvessa]

When did Loeb write for the X-books? He said in the interview/panel that he was operating under Harras and that was well before my hiatus from collecting and I cannot place the title or storylines. I have a vague inkling that that it was X-Force related but at my age the memory is the second thing to go...

i wanna say he took over x-force aoruund fatal attractions

[bairdduvessa]

Newb to the forum, but just thought I'd chime in and say that X-Factor rocks. :rock:
I was able to attend PAD's workshop in Chicago last year and it was a great time. His book on writing is pretty good too.

Other than that I only keep up with AXM. The other teams just don't interest me as much.

hey welcome to the board, and more importantly this thread!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i wanna say he took over x-force aoruund fatal attractions

X-Force from 44 to 61

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Here's another thought: Secondary mutation is a crock of shit. The Beast has been mutated, un-mutated, and then re-mutated. Wouldn't his feline aberration most likely be a product of that? The Angel's healing blood? Stupid idea but here again we have an X-Man who was genetically tampered with already. Secondary mutation or further results of his being Death? The blue going away and the dork feathers returning were years after he was Death so why not super healy blood too? Iceman's powers too have been tampered with through the years (remeber that belt he once wore) and Syrin's powers are just the result of increased imagination in their use. Emma Frost might be the only case made for secondary mutation being real. I was using her as an example of it being wrong, because Nova claimed to have caused it, but if Nova only existed as a psychic virus, she couldn't have had any physical effect on Emma. Thoughts?

[bairdduvessa]

Here's another thought: Secondary mutation is a crock of shit. The Beast has been mutated, un-mutated, and then re-mutated. Wouldn't his feline aberration most likely be a product of that? The Angel's healing blood? Stupid idea but here again we have an X-Man who was genetically tampered with already. Secondary mutation or further results of his being Death? The blue going away and the dork feathers returning were years after he was Death so why not super healy blood too? Iceman's powers too have been tampered with through the years (remeber that belt he once wore) and Syrin's powers are just the result of increased imagination in their use. Emma Frost might be the only case made for secondary mutation being real. I was using her as an example of it being wrong, because Nova claimed to have caused it, but if Nova only existed as a psychic virus, she couldn't have had any physical effect on Emma. Thoughts?

no thoughts, i agree with everything you're saying; except how does it explain, Jean, Psylock, Logan and there ever growing amounts of abilities?

[bennymatthewtaylor]

And here I assumed that this mans evil crimes were indescribable.

[bairdduvessa]

And here I assumed that this mans evil crimes were indescribable.

no i'm of a describable evil

[MarvelKnight877]

Here's another thought: Secondary mutation is a crock of shit. The Beast has been mutated, un-mutated, and then re-mutated. Wouldn't his feline aberration most likely be a product of that? The Angel's healing blood? Stupid idea but here again we have an X-Man who was genetically tampered with already. Secondary mutation or further results of his being Death? The blue going away and the dork feathers returning were years after he was Death so why not super healy blood too? Iceman's powers too have been tampered with through the years (remeber that belt he once wore) and Syrin's powers are just the result of increased imagination in their use. Emma Frost might be the only case made for secondary mutation being real. I was using her as an example of it being wrong, because Nova claimed to have caused it, but if Nova only existed as a psychic virus, she couldn't have had any physical effect on Emma. Thoughts?

I don't mind the second mutations, but I draw the line at third and fourth . . .

[bairdduvessa]

I don't mind the second mutations, but I draw the line at third and fourth . . .

how about telepaths who suddenly lose their powers but all of a sudden have tk or visa versa?

[Todd, The]

Just finished New X-Men #35 and I must say that the relationship between Hellion and X-23 is interesting, and Yost and Kyle are actually fleshing these kids' characters out and making them into people, which is the one thing this series needs.

Honestly, this is one of the most exciting comics on the stands today, and Yost/Kyle deliver a well-paced, action paced thrill ride and it feels like an epic action film.

I truly hope at least one or two of these kids eventually graduate to the big leagues. It would really be cool to see David become a tactician for one of the X-Teams, despite being a human now.

[bairdduvessa]

Just finished New X-Men #35 and I must say that the relationship between Hellion and X-23 is interesting, and Yost and Kyle are actually fleshing these kids' characters out and making them into people, which is the one thing this series needs.

Honestly, this is one of the most exciting comics on the stands today, and Yost/Kyle deliver a well-paced, action paced thrill ride and it feels like an epic action film.

I truly hope at le