The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[bairdduvessa]

Really? I didn't even realize that.

And, yeah, Dillon is better than Tan, too.

well it was for a while at least

[HomerGator]

tan is better than ramos who is better than Baccelo

Tan IS better than Ramos, but neither one of them is better than Bachalo. You might enjoy their art more, but they're not better. Sorry, bud, I don't make the rules.

Also, IMO, Tan sucks (but is getting better rapidly). The best thing he has going for him is Frank D'Armata.

[bairdduvessa]

sigh

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Tan IS better than Ramos, but neither one of them is better than Bachalo. You might enjoy their art more, but they're not better. Sorry, bud, I don't make the rules.

Also, IMO, Tan sucks (but is getting better rapidly). The best thing he has going for him is Frank D'Armata.

Okay, so the rules say that overly cluttered panels, nonsensical stylizing, and drawing everyone fifteen years younger than the other artists do makes them better? Maybe I'd enjoy Bachalo more if the coloring weren't so dark but that shows no signs of relenting. I prefer Tan the most, then Henry, Raimundi, Bachalo, and would rather watch lesbian porn than ever read anotehr story drawn by Ramos ever again. I dislike Skottie Young's work immensely and still prefer it to Ramos.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Okay, so the rules say that overly cluttered panels, nonsensical stylizing, and drawing everyone fifteen years younger than the other artists do makes them better? Maybe I'd enjoy Bachalo more if the coloring weren't so dark but that shows no signs of relenting. I prefer Tan the most, then Henry, Raimundi, Bachalo, and would rather watch lesbian porn than ever read anotehr story drawn by Ramos ever again. I dislike Skottie Young's work immensely and still prefer it to Ramos.

You complain of dark coloring on Bachalo's art but neglect to mention the extreme overuse of dark ink on Tan's...?

[HomerGator]

You complain of dark coloring on Bachalo's art but neglect to mention the extreme overuse of dark ink on Tan's...?

Or the fact that he still can't seem to draw faces right, or the fact that in every issue he draws there are at least two or three pages worth of cringeworthy panels.

To each is own, though. There are a lot of artists I like that others don't (clearly). Nobody is ever going to be right or wrong in this argument.

Unless they say something positive about Rob Liefeld's art. Then they're just wrong.

[bairdduvessa]

Okay, so the rules say that overly cluttered panels, nonsensical stylizing, and drawing everyone fifteen years younger than the other artists do makes them better? Maybe I'd enjoy Bachalo more if the coloring weren't so dark but that shows no signs of relenting. I prefer Tan the most, then Henry, Raimundi, Bachalo, and would rather watch lesbian porn than ever read anotehr story drawn by Ramos ever again. I dislike Skottie Young's work immensely and still prefer it to Ramos.
i'm agreeing
Or the fact that he still can't seem to draw faces right, or the fact that in every issue he draws there are at least two or three pages worth of cringeworthy panels.

To each is own, though. There are a lot of artists I like that others don't (clearly). Nobody is ever going to be right or wrong in this argument.

Unless they say something positive about Rob Liefeld's art. Then they're just wrong.
his people always look like they are in motion

[HomerGator]

i'm agreeing

his people always look like they are in motion

lol

BLASPHEMY!!! YOU ARE WRONG!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Or the fact that he still can't seem to draw faces right, or the fact that in every issue he draws there are at least two or three pages worth of cringeworthy panels.

To each is own, though. There are a lot of artists I like that others don't (clearly). Nobody is ever going to be right or wrong in this argument.

Unless they say something positive about Rob Liefeld's art. Then they're just wrong.

Liefeld has a time and place. And you have to give the man some credit; he did create Deadpool after all.

[bairdduvessa]

Liefeld has a time and place. And you have to give the man some credit; he did create Deadpool after all.

i think the guy would be great for a space epic, where people can look a lil different and odd

[HomerGator]

Liefeld has a time and place. And you have to give the man some credit; he did create Deadpool after all.

Yeah, but he only created the visuals for Deadpool, which IMO, weren't all that great when he first showed up (although they really haven't changed much). Fabian Nicieza gave Deadpool his character.

Of course, I might be remembering this wrong.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, but he only created the visuals for Deadpool, which IMO, weren't all that great when he first showed up (although they really haven't changed much). Fabian Nicieza gave Deadpool his character.

Of course, I might be remembering this wrong.

Liefeld was doing all the plotting at that time on The New Mutants and of course the early stuff on X-Force

[bairdduvessa]

Yeah, but he only created the visuals for Deadpool, which IMO, weren't all that great when he first showed up (although they really haven't changed much). Fabian Nicieza gave Deadpool his character.

Of course, I might be remembering this wrong.
deadpool was pretty generic, but as rabbitt said it was rob doing plots but fab anded the dialogue and made him who he was.
Liefeld was doing all the plotting at that time on The New Mutants and of course the early stuff on X-Force

yup

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Is it true Liefeld is going to be crapping all over my fond memories of Killraven?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Is it true Liefeld is going to be crapping all over my fond memories of Killraven?

Sounds like it. I may just try to ignore it and go re-read the Alan Davis mini from a few years ago. ;-)

[HomerGator]

deadpool was pretty generic, but as rabbitt said it was rob doing plots but fab anded the dialogue and made him who he was.


yup

That was my point. Fabian is the one who gave Deadpool his voice, and continues to do so.

[bairdduvessa]

That was my point. Fabian is the one who gave Deadpool his voice, and continues to do so.

i was backing you up

[Blake Sims]

Is it true Liefeld is going to be crapping all over my fond memories of Killraven?

No. Just because he's evidentally doing a mini series about the character doesnt mean those previous stories arent still around and viable in your memory.

[HomerGator]

i was backing you up

Um.....I knew that.....:surrend:

[bairdduvessa]

Um.....I knew that.....:surrend:

WORD

[The Jack Rabbitt]

WORD

LETTER

[HomerGator]

LETTER

PUNCTUATION.....?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

PUNCTUATION.....?

PARAGRAPH!

[HomerGator]

PARAGRAPH!

Dammit! He's always one step ahead!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Dammit! He's always one step ahead!

Its good that you've learned this lesson.

:twisted:

[bairdduvessa]

glad to see that this can dethread without me

[The Jack Rabbitt]

glad to see that this can dethread without me

You know you can count on me, boyo. :thumb:

[bairdduvessa]

You know you can count on me, boyo. :thumb:

count? i thought rabbitts were used for multiplying

[The Jack Rabbitt]

count? i thought rabbitts were used for multiplying

We like to do that, too. We're very equal opportunity like that.

[bairdduvessa]

We like to do that, too. We're very equal opportunity like that.

[daffy duck]it's wabbit season[/daffy duck]

[The Jack Rabbitt]

[daffy duck]it's wabbit season[/daffy duck]

:scared:

[HomerGator]

Um, no, it's duck season

[bairdduvessa]

Um, no, it's duck season

wabbit season!

[HomerGator]

wabbit season!

Once again, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The signs strewn haphazardly about this forest clearly state that it is duck season.

Oh.....and X-men stuff, and whatnot.

[Kefky]

wabbit season!

It's open season for everything!!!

*shoots everyone*

[The Jack Rabbitt]

It's open season for everything!!!

*shoots everyone*

:scared:

:flash:

[bairdduvessa]

i love me

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i love me

:mistrust:

[bairdduvessa]

:mistrust:

bored. so x-men...

[HomerGator]

bored. so x-men...

Yeah, speaking of which, anyone know exactly when the next issue of Astonishing comes out?

[bairdduvessa]

Yeah, speaking of which, anyone know exactly when the next issue of Astonishing comes out?

next month i think. or july

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, speaking of which, anyone know exactly when the next issue of Astonishing comes out?

No idea.

[HomerGator]

It's not fair! I want it NOOOOWWW!

Sigh..... it's hard to get upset at books like Astonishing and The Ultimates, even when they're ridiculously late, becaue they're just so damn good....

[bairdduvessa]

It's not fair! I want it NOOOOWWW!

Sigh..... it's hard to get upset at books like Astonishing and The Ultimates, even when they're ridiculously late, becaue they're just so damn good....

yup

[Eric Williams]

It's not fair! I want it NOOOOWWW!

Sigh..... it's hard to get upset at books like Astonishing and The Ultimates, even when they're ridiculously late, becaue they're just so damn good....
I tend to go with trades-only for Astonishing and the Ultimates. Not only does it decrease my frustrations with delays, but I get to read the entire arcs in one sitting, which works particularly well with Astonishing, since it moves at a pretty glacial pace.

[HomerGator]

I tend to go with trades-only for Astonishing and the Ultimates. Not only does it decrease my frustrations with delays, but I get to read the entire arcs in one sitting, which works particularly well with Astonishing, since it moves at a pretty glacial pace.

That makes sense, especially if you can wait for the giant-size hardover collections, but I end up reading the complete arc again after getting all the single issues anyway, so it all works out in the end. :D

[Vonn Hennigar]

During my sabbatical i re-read New X-Men #114-154 plus the 2001 Annual back to back during a 3-4 day span and it's such a strange mixed bag.

Starts off so strong with Cassandra Nova's debut and the destruction of Genosha is quite possibly the finest introduction of a new villain that i can remember. The whole twist with her switching minds with Professor X and then going off and fucking with Lilandra and the Shiar Empire is great stuff but is hampered by Igor Kordeys Horrible artwork fill-ins. He sucks all life out of the book in his stint. I feel for the guy because it actually killed his career at least on this side of the pond. Ethan Van Sciver's fill-in's though are actually better than Frank "One Face" Quitely.

Plus i'm sorry i never liked Beak and the new Angel is THE worst new character in the history of the universe. I despised her in ways i couldn't believe.

The U-Men are boring villains and John Sublime at the time before the big revelation later on is a throw away loser. Plus The Weapon Plus program is cute but the actual new Weapon XIII and XV later on are terrible punks who don't feel threatening for a second! Fantomex despite being shoved down our throats is still a pretty cool new character all told and i miss him nowadays.

Riot At Xaviers is fun fun stuff, Quentin Quire was great and everything really clicked. Murder At The Mansion is actually my favorite arc throughout the run. That last page cliffhanger of Emma Frosts shattered body still had me gasping years later.

But man does the book go out on a low. Planet X is TERRIBLE! I know Grant was trying to make Magneto look foolish and he was being controlled by Sublime through Kick but it feels so so lame and well just plain terrible. Plus i'll say it, i MISS Jean Grey :( I love the Scott/Emma dynamic but man killing off Jean maybe for good this time was a real mistake. Phil Jiminez kicks all sorts of ass on the art though.

The less said about Here Comes Tomorrow, the better.

7/10 for the whole she-bang.

[bairdduvessa]

During my sabbatical i re-read New X-Men #114-154 plus the 2001 Annual back to back during a 3-4 day span and it's such a strange mixed bag.

Starts off so strong with Cassandra Nova's debut and the destruction of Genosha is quite possibly the finest introduction of a new villain that i can remember. The whole twist with her switching minds with Professor X and then going off and fucking with Lilandra and the Shiar Empire is great stuff but is hampered by Igor Kordeys Horrible artwork fill-ins. He sucks all life out of the book in his stint. I feel for the guy because it actually killed his career at least on this side of the pond. Ethan Van Sciver's fill-in's though are actually better than Frank "One Face" Quitely.

Plus i'm sorry i never liked Beak and the new Angel is THE worst new character in the history of the universe. I despised her in ways i couldn't believe.

The U-Men are boring villains and John Sublime at the time before the big revelation later on is a throw away loser. Plus The Weapon Plus program is cute but the actual new Weapon XIII and XV later on are terrible punks who don't feel threatening for a second! Fantomex despite being shoved down our throats is still a pretty cool new character all told and i miss him nowadays.

Riot At Xaviers is fun fun stuff, Quentin Quire was great and everything really clicked. Murder At The Mansion is actually my favorite arc throughout the run. That last page cliffhanger of Emma Frosts shattered body still had me gasping years later.

But man does the book go out on a low. Planet X is TERRIBLE! I know Grant was trying to make Magneto look foolish and he was being controlled by Sublime through Kick but it feels so so lame and well just plain terrible. Plus i'll say it, i MISS Jean Grey :( I love the Scott/Emma dynamic but man killing off Jean maybe for good this time was a real mistake. Phil Jiminez kicks all sorts of ass on the art though.

The less said about Here Comes Tomorrow, the better.

7/10 for the whole she-bang.

you rate it higher than i. welcome back though!

[HomerGator]

During my sabbatical i re-read New X-Men #114-154 plus the 2001 Annual back to back during a 3-4 day span and it's such a strange mixed bag.

Starts off so strong with Cassandra Nova's debut and the destruction of Genosha is quite possibly the finest introduction of a new villain that i can remember. The whole twist with her switching minds with Professor X and then going off and fucking with Lilandra and the Shiar Empire is great stuff but is hampered by Igor Kordeys Horrible artwork fill-ins. He sucks all life out of the book in his stint. I feel for the guy because it actually killed his career at least on this side of the pond. Ethan Van Sciver's fill-in's though are actually better than Frank "One Face" Quitely.

Plus i'm sorry i never liked Beak and the new Angel is THE worst new character in the history of the universe. I despised her in ways i couldn't believe.

The U-Men are boring villains and John Sublime at the time before the big revelation later on is a throw away loser. Plus The Weapon Plus program is cute but the actual new Weapon XIII and XV later on are terrible punks who don't feel threatening for a second! Fantomex despite being shoved down our throats is still a pretty cool new character all told and i miss him nowadays.

Riot At Xaviers is fun fun stuff, Quentin Quire was great and everything really clicked. Murder At The Mansion is actually my favorite arc throughout the run. That last page cliffhanger of Emma Frosts shattered body still had me gasping years later.

But man does the book go out on a low. Planet X is TERRIBLE! I know Grant was trying to make Magneto look foolish and he was being controlled by Sublime through Kick but it feels so so lame and well just plain terrible. Plus i'll say it, i MISS Jean Grey :( I love the Scott/Emma dynamic but man killing off Jean maybe for good this time was a real mistake. Phil Jiminez kicks all sorts of ass on the art though.

The less said about Here Comes Tomorrow, the better.

7/10 for the whole she-bang.

I agree with you about the strong start, but I still dug it after Kordey took over (just not as much). I really liked the Weapon Plus arch, I love Beak, and I didn't hate Angel at all, at least when she was with Logan, Beak, or the Cucoos (which was almost all the time).

My biggest complaints with the run are cat-beast, Scott cheating on Jean (for fuck's sake), Jean dying (and Scott making out with Frost ON HER GRAVE), the characterization of "Magneto", and pretty much the entire Here Comes Tomorrow arch.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

new Angel chick = :sick:

The art switches actually didn't bother me much.

As for Cat-Beast, I'm back and forth on it. On any different day of the week, I may choose Cat over Ape or vice versa. Frankly, as I've mentioned ad nauseum, Beast is my favorite x-char, and I was just happy to see him getting some more spotlight.

Magneto as Xorn was brilliant. Then it went slightly overboard. And now its been completely fucked by various retcons.

[HomerGator]

new Angel chick = :sick:

The art switches actually didn't bother me much.

As for Cat-Beast, I'm back and forth on it. On any different day of the week, I may choose Cat over Ape or vice versa. Frankly, as I've mentioned ad nauseum, Beast is my favorite x-char, and I was just happy to see him getting some more spotlight.

Magneto as Xorn was brilliant. Then it went slightly overboard. And now its been completely fucked by various retcons.

I like cat Beast when John Cassaday is drawing him (although I like everyone when John Cassaday draws them).

Magneto as Xorn in New X-Men 146 (X-Men emergency indeed, Charles.) was fucking AWESOME. Every issue after that? Pure shit.

[HomerGator]

bump

[The Jack Rabbitt]

bump

bumpty-bump?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Magneto's reveal as Xorn in disguise WAS brilliant and almost did break the internet in half back then. I still haven't seen anything generate that kind of buzz online in comics fandom since.

But it doesn't make a lick of sense all told, sure there's some brilliant clues throughout, Quentin Quire's proclamation on his death bed while Xorn attempts to "Heal" him are so obvious it's a wonder no one really noticed. "What If the enemy was inside all along" was staring at Xorn!!!

Xorn's healing of Professor X and then the HA i was just using the Nano-Sentinels bit was inspired and very clever but building a Chinese Prison??? Having an entire issue dealing with Xorn's internal monologue? LAME. Sure it's designed to throw us off but at least throw in a framing sequence where he's say explaining his origin to Chuck/Lying through his teeth.

As for the later ret-cons,what choice did Marvel have really?

Let Magneto THE most important villain in the X-Mythos and arguably in comics itself just be killed forever?

Now the way they did it was terrible since they couldn't seem to decide between themselves but something had to be done to rectify the situation.

To me it would be like if in the final issues of Grant Morrison's in progress run on Batman ended with the Joker breaking into Wayne Manor and killing Alfred & Robin before an unmasked Bruce Wayne kicks his ass and blows Joker's head off with his own oversized pistol.

Sure it's BIG and the WOW factor is off the charts but you're leaving the franchise in horrible shape as you're send-off and that's inexcusable.

[bairdduvessa]

good points

[bairdduvessa]

i'm a lil too sick to read all my books right now. Hell i haven't read most yet. I will say this though I did manage to read cable deadpool and fabian basically takes shots at former writers, but not in a mean way Too bad next issue has cable in it!


and since i know a lot of you will care hydra bob still lives!

i will post reviews and x's sometime tonight

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Okay, anyone want my opions on yesterday's X-books? Nobody? Tough. I'm gonna do it but without spoilers. X-Men 198 lost me with that synopsis page saying that I had to buy Cable/Deadpool 40 for Cable's part of the action. No thanks. It's bad enough the upcoming crossover is forcing me to buy this crap in the first place. I'm not spreading the wealth. Otherwise the book just doesn't work for me. Uninteresting and downright illogical team members drawn in a blurry confusing way and colored badly. Ugh.

But Ultimate X-Men 81 was nearly as bad. Are there two Robert Kirkman's? His entire run on the book always reads mor elike set up but there's very little delivery. Then there's the fact that Ben Oliver sucks the action out of everything he draws. I couldn't sleep last night and was out of Sominex but luckily this book had come out.

And then there's X-Factor, a book I really want to like but don't really. I don't share any of Peter David's fascination with Jamie Madrox, Monet shows no signs that a few years trapped as Penance made her any different than her sisters' parody of her, the rest of the team are cyphers and plot points, and Layla Miller just doesn't feel like a character that PAD has a plan for past the current issue. The art also is problematic since I don't believe this book has had the same artist three issues in a row and until the last two, hasn't had a good one. That said, X-Factor was almost my favorite book of the week. It only wasn't because Manhunter came out too. My only major quibble? If you have yards of extra skin, you're still a mutant. Wanda said 'no more mutants', not 'no more useful mutations'.

[bairdduvessa]

i honestly think this was kirkman's best issue so far i mean come on it has ultimate x-stacy in it! :boogie:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i honestly think this was kirkman's best issue so far i mean come on it has ultimate x-stacy in it! :boogie:

Serious? Why?

[bairdduvessa]

Serious? Why?

x-stacy. i'll post reviews tonight, promise. right now i am trying to build up strength to call out of work

[The Jack Rabbitt]

x-stacy. i'll post reviews tonight, promise. right now i am trying to build up strength to call out of work

Heh. I'm laying in bed right now trying to decide if I want to go to work or not. I feel like shit.

[bairdduvessa]

Heh. I'm laying in bed right now trying to decide if I want to go to work or not. I feel like shit.

stupid legacy virus

[The Jack Rabbitt]

stupid legacy virus

Damn thing is always taking out ancilliary characters.





wait, what?

[bairdduvessa]

Damn thing is always taking out ancilliary characters.





wait, what?

heh the reason why xavier and furry kept beast's resurrection a secret was so that he could stop the legacy virus and an assassination on the president by admiral stryker)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

heh the reason why xavier and furry kept beast's resurrection a secret was so that he could stop the legacy virus and an assassination on the president by admiral stryker)

interesting.

but you've really gotto stop spelling fury as furry. i keep imagining an eye-patch-sporting squirrel.

[bairdduvessa]

interesting.

but you've really gotto stop spelling fury as furry. i keep imagining an eye-patch-sporting squirrel.

lol

[bairdduvessa]

I am really sorry about how late these reviews are. I've been very ill, I've called out from work twice this week, and the only time I"m not coughing is when I am laying down...

OK you guys really just want the reviews.

Cable/Deadpool 39-Let's see what we have here. Deadpool +Agent X +T-Ray +Sandi+Outlaw+Hydra Bob=fun. While the issues was no where near as fun as the past several issues have been, it was still a fun read. And basically it was a big fuck you to people who think T-Ray is the real Wade (he uses logic folks). We also find that Weasel is still in the Hydra base :-P The only down part of the issues happens on Providence where Irene and Blackbox talk about Cable and his surprisingly successful plans in that foreign nation of his (think the opposite of Iraq), added in were images from last months x-men.
4 x's

X-Men-Probably the best art I've seen from Bachelo since gen x number 3. Everything for the most part is identifiable. We get the history of the Mummardri(sp) introduced last issue, it's ties with the big bad. And a fight.
basically the big bad was a warfare device created by the SHi'ar a long loooong time ago from the mummadri's essence. The creature feeds on the minds of the dead. And is currently attacking Providence (after blowing a hole in the X-Men's ship). The X-Men try to stop it, but not even Cannonball can blast through it's core. The mummadri then takes over Cable in an effort to stop it, Mastermind shows up creating something that looks like Kurgan from Highlander. The X-Men try to evacuate Civilians in the way but find out that the ship isnt responding. The reason? Sabertooth got free do to the ship getting hit earlier.3.75 x's
X-23- Laura saves her family through some creative fighting. Then forces them to leave the country. Her next step is to find the man she considers responsible. Wolverine As always the art is beautiful in this series. And as always it reads way too fast. But there is a lot of action in the scenes that occur with in it. There is only one more issue left in what I have felt has been a great mini series. 3.75 x's
Ultimate X-Men 71. Probably Kirkman's best issue. We get a lot of set up (and a lot more of his love for the 90s) We get a view of Cyclops new school and direction. Consoling a new young mutant named Grizzly who feels like he is being picked on. We also find out that Toad has been hired to teach gym class. Iceman and Rogue are back to being just students. The Hellfire club mole calls a contact/spy of his . Emma introduces her boyfriend to Piotr a yound Asian man named Shinobi Shaw. Mastermind breaks Mystique out only to take her place he has an accomplice with him a young woman named Stacy :boogie:, Sinister has apprently killed himself by swallowing his own blanket. Syndicate is on the run shooting people announcing that the Mutant Liberation Front is make people pay for Xavier's death. Suddenly we see him from a terminator like computer reading. And from the solicits we know that the Sentinels are back. Storm continues to have nightmare about the Shadow King. Bishop invites her to his New X-Men Team. Nightcrawler finds the Morlocks. And now the important part. Beast is alive. Apparently Xavier AND Fury found him alive after the sentinal attack and kept it quiet. They even convinced Beast he was still living his life with family and friends. Only for that illusion to die 3 weeks ago along with Xavier's supposed death. Fury explains that they kept him alive to foil an assassination attempt on the President by Admiral Stryker and to find a cure for his Legacy Virus. That's a lot of action for this book. And I think we are finally starting to see what Kirkman has got planned. 3.5 x's

X-Factor-As always a great issue. Everything in it is fun wether it is the appearance of Callisto in Qucksilver's office. Three new members of the x-cell Marrow, Blob and Fatale Layla's surprise at the girl M and Siren bring home. And Layla's continued manipulation of the team to serve her goals (and well we see again that she knows the future. 4.5x's
Bonus review. idw has begun reprinting Marvel UK's Transformers UK Target 2006. Oh fuck is it painful :-P

The end

[Vonn Hennigar]

Whuh?

The Blob!

He lost his powers in M-Day.

Explain Immediately!

;)

[bairdduvessa]

Whuh?

The Blob!

He lost his powers in M-Day.

Explain Immediately!

;)

the x-cell is composed of mutants that lost their powers who believe the government is responsible. they are led by a 13 year old boy and think quicksilver will help them, not aware that it is actually he who is at fault. Blob, Fatale and marrow appear to be either members or on their way to becoming ones.

[Akira]

re: Ult. X-Men.
Dude, I knew it was starting to get to be too much for me. I only read the book in HC, but I may drop even those now. Kirkman keeps making everything more and more convoluted.

[bairdduvessa]

re: Ult. X-Men.
Dude, I knew it was starting to get to be too much for me. I only read the book in HC, but I may drop even those now. Kirkman keeps making everything more and more convoluted.

i can understand your hesitation

[Vonn Hennigar]

So i re-read the Phalanx Covenant crossover circa 1994 last night and dear lord is it a mixed bag.

The 4 part Generation X part in Uncanny X-Men and X-Men is fabulous! Joe Maduiera was the bees knees back then and Andy Kubert did his part on X-Men. Just great character stuff with Jubilee, Banshee and Emma Frost. Introductions of great new characters in M, Synch,Blink and Husk (Fuck Skin i never liked that goof) Really one of the best lead in's to a new series ever!
Loved it!

But the other 5 issues? :nonono2: Terrible stuff with Excalibur,X-Force and X-Factor with the Phalanx and Forge being tempted to betray humanity and join the Phalanx and some horrific shit with Captain Britain (Britanic??? with no cool Cap B costume and the Superman Mullet? Gah)

The final 2 issues in Wolverine and Cable are even worse possibly with them and Jean Grey and Cyclops climbing Mt.Everest to take on the Phalanx and even then the whole story comes down to Stephen Lang betraying the Phalanx and the X-Men not really doing anything.

Terrible.

Still that Generation X 4 parter is terrific. I wish that Joe Mad was the one doing Ultimates 3 instead of this new style he's sporting which looks like something a jr. high school kid doodles on his binder.

[bairdduvessa]

So i re-read the Phalanx Covenant crossover circa 1994 last night and dear lord is it a mixed bag.

The 4 part Generation X part in Uncanny X-Men and X-Men is fabulous! Joe Maduiera was the bees knees back then and Andy Kubert did his part on X-Men. Just great character stuff with Jubilee, Banshee and Emma Frost. Introductions of great new characters in M, Synch,Blink and Husk (Fuck Skin i never liked that goof) Really one of the best lead in's to a new series ever!
Loved it!

But the other 5 issues? :nonono2: Terrible stuff with Excalibur,X-Force and X-Factor with the Phalanx and Forge being tempted to betray humanity and join the Phalanx and some horrific shit with Captain Britain (Britanic??? with no cool Cap B costume and the Superman Mullet? Gah)

The final 2 issues in Wolverine and Cable are even worse possibly with them and Jean Grey and Cyclops climbing Mt.Everest to take on the Phalanx and even then the whole story comes down to Stephen Lang betraying the Phalanx and the X-Men not really doing anything.

Terrible.

Still that Generation X 4 parter is terrific. I wish that Joe Mad was the one doing Ultimates 3 instead of this new style he's sporting which looks like something a jr. high school kid doodles on his binder.

i think the cable/wolverine stories were better thsan the x-force/factor/callibur ones. but yea

[Vonn Hennigar]

i think the cable/wolverine stories were better thsan the x-force/factor/callibur ones. but yea

You're probably right after all they didn't have fucking Douglock stinking up the joint in them but man it was a chore to read those 5 issues again.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I think in my subsequent reads of the Phalanx Covenant I always just ignore all but the Gen X 4-parter.

[bairdduvessa]

You're probably right after all they didn't have fucking Douglock stinking up the joint in them but man it was a chore to read those 5 issues again.
reading those have always been a chore for me
I think in my subsequent reads of the Phalanx Covenant I always just ignore all but the Gen X 4-parter.

good man...er rodent

[The Jack Rabbitt]

good man...er rodent

:thumb:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Did Emma Frost last the whole 75 issue run of Generation X?

Cause that series ended i think the same week that New X-Men # 114 shipped and Emma quickly joined the X-Men not long after that. So basically she was working with the X-Men for almost 7 years at that point.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Did Emma Frost last the whole 75 issue run of Generation X?

Cause that series ended i think the same week that New X-Men # 114 shipped and Emma quickly joined the X-Men not long after that. So basically she was working with the X-Men for almost 7 years at that point.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was there throughout.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Why'd they have to kill Synch :mad:

Sure Skin was useless and the less said about the Penance mess the better but Monet is still a great character. Who am i forgetting?

Oh yeah that Mondo fuck. Terrible.

I think Synch would have worked great today. As a member of any of the teams or as an instructor to the New X-Men kids.

A real waste.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Why'd they have to kill Synch :mad:

Sure Skin was useless and the less said about the Penance mess the better but Monet is still a great character. Who am i forgetting?

Oh yeah that Mondo fuck. Terrible.

I think Synch would have worked great today. As a member of any of the teams or as an instructor to the New X-Men kids.

A real waste.

Agreed about Synch. And Mondo (he was worthless). But I still wish they hadn't offed Skin, either.

[Magnum V.I.]

Ultimate Stacy X :rock:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was there really an outcry of fans demanding the ultimitization of Stacy X? Ugh.

[Vonn Hennigar]

What's Angel up to nowadays?

It feels like years since i last saw Warren in anything even slightly worthwhile.
I honestly don't even know if he's still Blue Skinned,is Rich or not or anything really.

The last time i even saw him was in the Generation M mini-series when Paul Jenkins pulled that A-Ha! trick about him losing his powers in M-Day.

[Magnum V.I.]

Was there really an outcry of fans demanding the ultimitization of Stacy X? Ugh.

I liked Stacy X....:(

[bairdduvessa]

Ultimate Stacy X :rock:
booyah!
Was there really an outcry of fans demanding the ultimitization of Stacy X? Ugh.
yes!
I liked Stacy X....:(
same here
What's Angel up to nowadays?

It feels like years since i last saw Warren in anything even slightly worthwhile.
I honestly don't even know if he's still Blue Skinned,is Rich or not or anything really.

The last time i even saw him was in the Generation M mini-series when Paul Jenkins pulled that A-Ha! trick about him losing his powers in M-Day.

He was last seen in Civil War X-Men. And wil lbe a featured player in civil War Hulk, i believe he will be fighting along side Hulk.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

How can Blob not be considered a mutant? Sure, his inmovable powers are gone but the dude has yards of extra skin. That's not normal. If 'no more mutants' removed teh x-gene than it should have taken the extra skin. He just doesn't have a useful mutation anymore.

[bairdduvessa]

How can Blob not be considered a mutant? Sure, his inmovable powers are gone but the dude has yards of extra skin. That's not normal. If 'no more mutants' removed teh x-gene than it should have taken the extra skin. He just doesn't have a useful mutation anymore.
it's in that mysterios midway place. look at marrow who is (supposedly) sans powers but still has bones protruding from her.

on the flip side beast's beat mutation wasn't x-gene related and yet whenever he would lose his powers he's look normal. SO who knows

[Kefky]

Goddamn, x-men 198 was awesome. I loved the idea of the hetacomb, Bobby was more useful then he's been in YEARS, and Creed shows that he's still the same old asshole we love to hate.

This book is on fire right now. I can't wait for issue 200.

[bairdduvessa]

Goddamn, x-men 198 was awesome. I loved the idea of the hetacomb, Bobby was more useful then he's been in YEARS, and Creed shows that he's still the same old asshole we love to hate.

This book is on fire right now. I can't wait for issue 200.

:thumb:

[HomerGator]

Personally, I thought X-Men was great, but I've been loving Carey's run the whole time, annual included.

I loved Ultimate X-Men, but I still can't stand the art. This book needs a high quality regular artists, NOW.

I actually really liked New X-Men as well. I was suprised at the quality of Skottie Young's art, I was expecting something more along the lines of his New Warriors, or the old Human Torch book (not a fan of that style), but the art was very dark and moody, and fit the story very well (Niko kicked fucking ass on the Limbo parts, but that was pretty much a given).

I loved X-Factor, too, but I always love X-Factor.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Okay, I know I'm a broken record but X-Cell is for ex-mutants, right? The ones that Wanda removed the x-gene from? Marrow with bones stilll sticking out of her body is not baseline human! Nowhere does it say that there's an intermediary step where some of the x-gene is removed allowing for Lorna's green hair, Blob's extra skin, or Marrow's appearnce not changing at all! Now, Marrow does seem to be a special case as there's more confusion over whether she was depowered or not than there's been with the other characters but still. They're either human or mutant. Period.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Okay, I know I'm a broken record but X-Cell is for ex-mutants, right? The ones that Wanda removed the x-gene from? Marrow with bones stilll sticking out of her body is not baseline human! Nowhere does it say that there's an intermediary step where some of the x-gene is removed allowing for Lorna's green hair, Blob's extra skin, or Marrow's appearnce not changing at all! Now, Marrow does seem to be a special case as there's more confusion over whether she was depowered or not than there's been with the other characters but still. They're either human or mutant. Period.


So someone born with 6 toes is a mutant?

If the X-Gene is removed you're not a mutant no matter how fucked up your appearance may be.

[Matt O.]

Anyone else like that cartoon "X-Men: Evolution"? I thought it was great, and I really miss it. Didn't they end it in the middle of a big Apocalypse story, too?

[Gecko]

Anyone else like that cartoon "X-Men: Evolution"? I thought it was great, and I really miss it. Didn't they end it in the middle of a big Apocalypse story, too?

I loved Evolution and no they actually resolved the Apocalypse storyline with Asencion I and Asencion II with peek into the Dark Phoenix saga.

Great show but it was really the Rogue show.

[bairdduvessa]

Anyone else like that cartoon "X-Men: Evolution"? I thought it was great, and I really miss it. Didn't they end it in the middle of a big Apocalypse story, too?

I loved Evolution and no they actually resolved the Apocalypse storyline with Asencion I and Asencion II with peek into the Dark Phoenix saga.

Great show but it was really the Rogue show.

it was ok. the first season or two were bad, real REAL bad. Then once the new mutants came to be it got interesting because they were at least fun.
When I read comics now I "hear" the evolution version of rogue.

[Gecko]

it was ok. the first season or two were bad, real REAL bad. Then once the new mutants came to be it got interesting because they were at least fun.
When I read comics now I "hear" the evolution version of rogue.

Season 1 & 2 were about Scott & Rogue/Magneto.
I agree they were ultra-cheesy because they relied too much on old dated Comicbook cheese. Most of the storylines were ridiculous. Still Rogue kicked alot of ass and always appeared to be older than the rest of the students due to her dark nature and rough exterior. Scott actually becomes likable and a character that exhibits a bit more rogue'ish side (Turn of the Rogue, On Angel's Wings, etc...). Rogue brings out a very different side to Scott and it's a breath of fresh air where Scott is concerned.

Season 3 Rogue & Wolverine.
Wolverine dropped that stupid suit from Seasons 1&2 in lieu of a better suit that actually made him look younger. He teams up with Rogue during this season while both create a very special bond. Rogue actually brings out a better side to Wolverine that the audiences were never exposed to in Season 1&2. She grounds him that he becomes a fuller character. Scott is unfortunately dropped from Rogue's side and finally paired up with Jean Grey who waters Scott down so much that it damages his "bad ass" characterization from "On Angels Wings" eppy.
Best season of the series run.

Season 4 Rogue/Kurt.
Less Wolverine/Rogue and alot more Kurt exposure in this season but it's such a damn hodgepodge and both Boyd&Johnson lose their wonderful vision from Season 3. Kurt's conflict between Rogue & Mystique is interesting and it's a shame that the writers didn't focus on this more. However, there is a nice Gambit/Rogue/Wolverine eppy that is enjoyable and echoes some of Season 3. Clearly only eppy's Impact, Cajun Spice and Ascension I & II bridge from Season 3. The rest are just filler and completely unnecessary which is why the show tanked due to such horrible ratings during this season.

[bairdduvessa]

Season 1 & 2 were about Scott & Rogue/Magneto.
I agree they were ultra-cheesy because they relied too much on old dated Comicbook cheese. Most of the storylines were ridiculous. Still Rogue kicked alot of ass and always appeared to be older than the rest of the students due to her dark nature and rough exterior. Scott actually becomes likable and a character that exhibits a bit more rogue'ish side (Turn of the Rogue, On Angel's Wings, etc...). Rogue brings out a very different side to Scott and it's a breath of fresh air where Scott is concerned.

Season 3 Rogue & Wolverine.
Wolverine dropped that stupid suit from Seasons 1&2 in lieu of a better suit that actually made him look younger. He teams up with Rogue during this season while both create a very special bond. Rogue actually brings out a better side to Wolverine that the audiences were never exposed to in Season 1&2. She grounds him that he becomes a fuller character. Scott is unfortunately dropped from Rogue's side and finally paired up with Jean Grey who waters Scott down so much that it damages his "bad ass" characterization from "On Angels Wings" eppy.
Best season of the series run.

Season 4 Rogue/Kurt.
Less Wolverine/Rogue and alot more Kurt exposure in this season but it's such a damn hodgepodge and both Boyd&Johnson lose their wonderful vision from Season 3. Kurt's conflict between Rogue & Mystique is interesting and it's a shame that the writers didn't focus on this more. However, there is a nice Gambit/Rogue/Wolverine eppy that is enjoyable and echoes some of Season 3. Clearly only eppy's Impact, Cajun Spice and Ascension I & II bridge from Season 3. The rest are just filler and completely unnecessary which is why the show tanked due to such horrible ratings during this season.

i've only seen of season 4 via downloaded random episodes. oh well

[Gecko]

i've only seen of season 4 via downloaded random episodes. oh well

Of course this is all based on my opinion. Maybe you'll see it differently.

:)

[bairdduvessa]

Of course this is all based on my opinion. Maybe you'll see it differently.

:)

i um saw the gambit x23 and final 2 episodes

[bairdduvessa]

this week;
Exiles 93
New Excalibur 19
Wolverine 53
Wisdom 5
X-men First Class 8of8
plus
CABLE DEADPOOL VOL 6 PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS TP
CIVIL WAR X-MEN TP $11.99

Only one on my pull list is New Excalibur. Please feel free to review the others, and you don't have to wait for me either!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

this week;
Exiles 93
New Excalibur 19
Wolverine 53
Wisdom 5
X-men First Class 8of8
plus
CABLE DEADPOOL VOL 6 PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS TP
CIVIL WAR X-MEN TP $11.99

Only one on my pull list is New Excalibur. Please feel free to review the others, and you don't have to wait for me either!

Huh. Only ones that I'm getting are Exiles and Wisdom, but thats through DCBS. I'm no help whatsoever!

But as an aside, I did order the X-Men: First Class HC due out in a couple months. *rubs hands together expectantly*

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-Books Sales Analysis For March 2007 courtesy of Paul O'Brien.

Marvel Month-To-Month March 2007 Sales (http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/24/marvel-month-to-month-sales-march-2007/)

10. WOLVERINE
03/01 Wolverine #162 - 67,762
03/02 Wolverine #174 - 69,340
03/03 Wolverine #187 - 62,144
03/04 Wolverine #12 - 69,815
03/05 Wolverine #26 - 105,984
=====
03/06 Wolverine #40 - 77,627 ( +3.1%)
04/06 Wolverine #41 - 70,965 ( -8.6%)
05/06 Wolverine #42 - 112,209 (+58.1%)
06/06 Wolverine #43 - 116,540 ( +3.9%)
07/06 Wolverine #44 - 111,478 ( -4.3%)
08/06 Wolverine #45 - 110,662 ( -0.7%)
09/06 Wolverine #46 - 107,865 ( -2.5%)
10/06 Wolverine #47 - 106,201 ( -1.5%)
11/06 Wolverine #48 - 99,991 ( -5.8%)
12/06 Wolverine #49 - 78,807 (-21.2%)
01/07 Wolverine #50 - 117,160 (+48.7%)
02/07 Wolverine #51 - 99,636 (-15.0%)
03/07 Wolverine #52 - 95,276 ( -4.4%)
6 mnth (-11.7%)
1 year (+22.7%)
2 year (-10.1%)
3 year (+36.5%)
4 year (+53.3%)

Dropping back a bit for the third Loeb/Bianchi issue. However, WOLVERINE now seems to be reverting to the format of having different creators do each arc. That means it’s likely to get periodic sales bumps, and that retailers may be tempted to order each arc along the lines of a miniseries. By those standards, this would be a perfectly fine number.

Issue #51 picks up 2,455 re-orders.

16. UNCANNY X-MEN
03/01 Uncanny X-Men #392 - 96,271
03/02 Uncanny X-Men #404 - 95,386
03/03 Uncanny X-Men #420 - 85,473
03/04 Uncanny X-Men #441 - 86,431
03/05 Uncanny X-Men #457 - 86,365
=====
03/06 Uncanny X-Men #470 - 79,389 ( +0.4%)
03/06 Uncanny X-Men #471 - 78,286 ( -1.4%)
04/06 Uncanny X-Men #472 - 79,157 ( +1.1%)
05/06 Uncanny X-Men #473 - 79,335 ( +0.2%)
06/06 Uncanny X-Men #474 - 78,140 ( -1.5%)
07/06 Uncanny X-Men #475 - 106,037 (+35.7%)
07/06 Uncanny X-Men #476 - 92,154 (-13.1%)
08/06 Uncanny X-Men #477 - 89,225 ( -3.2%)
09/06 Uncanny X-Men #478 - 89,850 ( +0.7%)
10/06 Uncanny X-Men #479 - 89,052 ( -0.9%)
11/06 Uncanny X-Men #480 - 88,584 ( -0.5%)
12/06 Uncanny X-Men #481 - 85,995 ( -2.9%)
01/07 Uncanny X-Men #482 - 83,860 ( -2.5%)
02/07 Uncanny X-Men #483 - 83,009 ( -1.0%)
03/07 Uncanny X-Men #484 - 82,043 ( -1.2%)
6 mnth ( -8.7%)
1 year ( +3.3%)
2 year ( -5.0%)
3 year ( -5.1%)
4 year ( -4.0%)

Still in a gentle decline as the year-long “Fall and Rise of the Shi’ar Empire” nears a conclusion. However, Ed Brubaker and Billy Tan remain significantly up on the sales of the previous creative team.

22. X-MEN
03/01 X-Men #112 - 93,428
03/02 New X-Men #124 - 104,138
03/03 New X-Men #138 - 95,278
03/04 New X-Men #154 - 117,253
03/05 X-Men #168 - 83,979
=====
03/06 X-Men #184 - 79,480 ( +0.0%)
04/06 X-Men #185 - 78,815 ( -0.8%)
05/06 X-Men #186 - 79,536 ( +0.9%)
06/06 X-Men #187 - 77,918 ( -2.0%)
07/06 X-Men #188 - 95,487 (+22.5%)
07/06 X-Men #189 - 85,157 (-10.8%)
08/06 X-Men #190 - 83,436 ( -2.0%)
09/06 X-Men #191 - 82,048 ( -1.7%)
10/06 X-Men #192 - 81,816 ( -0.3%)
11/06 X-Men #193 - 80,102 ( -2.1%)
12/06 X-Men #194 - 78,114 ( -2.5%)
01/07 X-Men #195 - 76,900 ( -1.6%)
02/07 X-Men #196 - 75,707 ( -1.6%)
03/07 X-Men #197 - 75,184 ( -0.7%)
6 mnth ( -8.4%)
1 year ( -5.4%)
2 year (-10.5%)
3 year (-35.9%)
4 year (-21.1%)

In decline. The X-books are relying on the upcoming “Endangered Species” crossover to give them a boost.

23. WOLVERINE: ORIGINS
04/06 Origins #1 - 182,672
05/06 Origins #2 - 131,522 (-28.0%)
06/06 Origins #3 - 116,058 (-11.8%)
07/06 Origins #4 - 110,830 ( -4.5%)
08/06 Origins #5 - 120,448 ( +8.7%)
09/06 Origins #6 - 101,013 (-16.1%)
10/06 Origins #7 - 103,273 ( +2.2%)
11/06 Origins #8 - 91,585 (-11.3%)
12/06 Origins #9 - 84,733 ( -7.5%)
01/07 Origins #10 - 97,881 (+15.5%)
02/07 Origins #11 - 78,901 (-19.4%)
03/07 Origins #12 - 74,750 ( -5.3%)
6 mnth (-26.0%)

Still adjusting to life without variant covers. The decline seems to be slowing, and it’s quite possible that ORIGINS will settle to a very respectable mid-table position.

31. ULTIMATE X-MEN
03/01 Ultimate X-Men #1 - 97,985
03/02 Ultimate X-Men #16 - 96,150
03/03 Ultimate X-Men #30 - 89,544
03/04 Ultimate X-Men #43 - 97,002
03/05 Ultimate X-Men #57 - 83,835
=====
03/06 Ultimate X-Men #68 - 72,765 ( +0.1%)
04/06 Ultimate X-Men #69 - 73,188 ( +0.6%)
05/06 Ultimate X-Men #70 - 72,235 ( -1.3%)
06/06 Ultimate X-Men #71 - 71,314 ( -1.3%)
07/06 Ultimate X-Men #72 - 70,593 ( -1.0%)
08/06 Ultimate X-Men #73 - 70,153 ( -0.6%)
09/06 Ultimate X-Men #74 - 68,874 ( -1.8%)
10/06 Ultimate X-Men #75 - 73,837 ( +7.2%)
11/06 Ultimate X-Men #76 - 69,054 ( -6.5%)
12/06 Ultimate X-Men #77 - 67,338 ( -2.5%)
01/07 Ultimate X-Men #78 - 66,409 ( -1.4%)
02/07 Ultimate X-Men #79 - 64,363 ( -3.1%)
03/07 Ultimate X-Men #80 - 63,037 ( -2.1%)
6 mnth ( -8.5%)
1 year (-13.4%)
2 year (-24.8%)
3 year (-35.0%)
4 year (-29.6%)

Another Ultimate book in decline. If the direct market sales are anything to go by, the imprint really needs a kick.

52. X-23: TARGET X
03/05 X-23 #4 of 6 - 54,750
=====
12/06 Target X #1 of 6 - 58,125
01/07 Target X #2 of 6 - 44,000 (-24.3%)
02/07 Target X #3 of 6 - 42,132 ( -4.2%)
03/07 Target X #4 of 6 - 41,858 ( -0.7%)
2 year (-23.5%)

Levelling out well for a miniseries. It’s not as popular as the original X-23 miniseries two years ago, but that aside, it’s doing just fine.

57. X-FACTOR
03/06 X-Factor #4 - 48,183 ( -0.3%)
03/06 X-Factor #5 - 46,490 ( -3.5%)
04/06 X-Factor #6 - 45,220 ( -2.7%)
05/06 X-Factor #7 - 44,315 ( -2.0%)
06/06 X-Factor #8 - 76,150 (+71.8%)
07/06 X-Factor #9 - 68,799 ( -9.7%)
08/06 X-Factor #10 - 44,603 (-35.2%)
09/06 X-Factor #11 - 43,431 ( -2.6%)
10/06 X-Factor #12 - 42,909 ( -1.2%)
11/06 X-Factor #13 - 42,844 ( -0.2%)
12/06 X-Factor #14 - 40,208 ( -6.2%)
01/07 X-Factor #15 - 38,693 ( -3.8%)
02/07 X-Factor #16 - 38,240 ( -1.2%)
03/07 X-Factor #17 - 38,067 ( -0.4%)
6 mnth (-12.4%)
1 year (-21.0%)

Slow but steady decline.

58. NEW X-MEN
03/04 New Mutants #10 - 34,841
03/05 New X-Men #11 - 35,549
=====
03/06 New X-Men #24 - 42,044 ( +1.4%)
04/06 New X-Men #25 - 40,176 ( -4.4%)
05/06 New X-Men #26 - 40,073 ( -0.3%)
06/06 New X-Men #27 - 39,785 ( -0.7%)
07/06 New X-Men #28 - 39,771 ( -0.0%)
08/06 New X-Men #29 - 40,303 ( +1.3%)
09/06 New X-Men #30 - 39,658 ( -1.6%)
10/06 New X-Men #31 - 39,175 ( -1.2%)
11/06 New X-Men #32 - 37,919 ( -3.2%)
12/06 New X-Men #33 - 38,076 ( +0.4%)
01/07 New X-Men #34 - 37,272 ( -2.1%)
02/07 New X-Men #35 - 37,142 ( -0.3%)
03/07 New X-Men #36 - 37,004 ( -0.4%)
6 mnth ( -6.7%)
1 year (-12.0%)
2 year ( +4.1%)
3 year ( +6.2%)

Remarkably solid over the last few months, although the general trend still seems to be down.

75. EXILES
03/02 Exiles #11 - 37,446
03/03 Exiles #23 - 36,380
03/04 Exiles #44 - 37,575
03/05 Exiles #60 - 42,898
=====
03/06 Exiles #78 - 33,506 ( +1.5%)
04/06 Exiles #79 - 34,119 ( +1.8%)
05/06 Exiles #80 - 34,039 ( -0.2%)
05/06 Exiles #81 - 33,908 ( -0.4%)
06/06 Exiles #82 - 33,342 ( -1.7%)
06/06 Exiles #83 - 33,143 ( -0.6%)
07/06 Exiles #84 - 32,866 ( -0.8%)
08/06 Exiles #85 - 33,978 ( +3.4%)
09/06 Exiles #86 - 33,080 ( -2.6%)
10/06 Exiles #87 - 31,946 ( -3.4%)
11/06 Exiles #88 - 30,928 ( -3.2%)
12/06 Exiles #89 - 36,880 (+19.2%)
01/07 Exiles #90 - 31,595 (-14.3%)
02/07 Exiles #91 - 31,712 ( +0.4%)
03/07 Exiles #92 - 30,296 ( -4.5%)
6 mnth ( -8.4%)
1 year ( -9.6%)
2 year (-29.4%)
3 year (-19.4%)
4 year (-16.7%)

A slight dip, but still within the book’s normal range.

79. CABLE & DEADPOOL
03/04 Cable & Deadpool #1 - 47,130
03/05 Cable & Deadpool #13 - 25,551
=====
03/06 Cable & Deadpool #26 - 25,584 ( +11.6%)
04/06 Cable & Deadpool #27 - 26,153 ( +2.2%)
05/06 Cable & Deadpool #28 - 25,665 ( -1.9%)
06/06 Cable & Deadpool #29 - 25,368 ( -1.2%)
07/06 Cable & Deadpool #30 - 59,333 (+133.9%)
08/06 Cable & Deadpool #31 - 59,804 ( +0.8%)
09/06 Cable & Deadpool #32 - 60,177 ( +0.6%)
10/06 Cable & Deadpool #33 - 30,741 ( -48.9%)
11/06 Cable & Deadpool #34 - 29,144 ( -5.2%)
12/06 Cable & Deadpool #35 - 27,785 ( -4.7%)
01/07 Cable & Deadpool #36 - 26,803 ( -3.5%)
02/07 Cable & Deadpool #37 - 26,588 ( -0.8%)
03/07 Cable & Deadpool #38 - 26,258 ( -1.2%)
6 mnth ( -56.4%)
1 year ( +2.6%)
2 year ( +2.8%)
3 year ( -44.3%)

In slight decline recently, but overall, CABLE & DEADPOOL has been a very solid performer over the last couple of years.

86. X-MEN: FIRST CLASS
09/06 First Class #1 of 8 - 39,859
10/06 First Class #2 of 8 - 33,688 (-15.5%)
11/06 First Class #3 of 8 - 30,805 ( -8.6%)
12/06 First Class #4 of 8 - 28,455 ( -7.6%)
01/07 First Class #5 of 8 - 26,607 ( -6.5%)
02/07 First Class #6 of 8 - 25,125 ( -5.6%)
03/07 First Class #7 of 8 - 24,028 ( -4.4%)
6 mnth (-39.7%)

Standard miniseries declines. An ongoing title is scheduled, almost immediately upon the miniseries concluding. That decision is usually justified on the grounds that the book is doing well with the audience for Marvel Adventures books. On that basis, it’ll be interesting to see how retailers treat the ongoing title. Thus far, they certainly seem to subscribe to the view that it’s got wider direct market appeal than its siblings.

145. WISDOM [Max]
11/06 Wisdom #1 of 6 - 20,021
12/06 –
01/07 Wisdom #2 of 6 - 14,855 (-25.8%)
02/07 Wisdom #3 of 6 - 12,400 (-16.5%)
03/07 Wisdom #4 of 6 - 11,503 ( -7.2%)

A disastrously underperforming mini. We’ll look discreetly away.

Astonishing X-Men and New Excalibur both didn't ship in March (New Excalibur was only a week late but it slipped into the first week of April)

[Matt O.]

X-Books Sales Analysis For March 2007 courtesy of Paul O'Brien.

Marvel Month-To-Month March 2007 Sales (http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/04/24/marvel-month-to-month-sales-march-2007/)

10. WOLVERINE
03/01 Wolverine #162 - 67,762
03/02 Wolverine #174 - 69,340
03/03 Wolverine #187 - 62,144
03/04 Wolverine #12 - 69,815
03/05 Wolverine #26 - 105,984
=====
03/06 Wolverine #40 - 77,627 ( +3.1%)
04/06 Wolverine #41 - 70,965 ( -8.6%)
05/06 Wolverine #42 - 112,209 (+58.1%)
06/06 Wolverine #43 - 116,540 ( +3.9%)
07/06 Wolverine #44 - 111,478 ( -4.3%)
08/06 Wolverine #45 - 110,662 ( -0.7%)
09/06 Wolverine #46 - 107,865 ( -2.5%)
10/06 Wolverine #47 - 106,201 ( -1.5%)
11/06 Wolverine #48 - 99,991 ( -5.8%)
12/06 Wolverine #49 - 78,807 (-21.2%)
01/07 Wolverine #50 - 117,160 (+48.7%)
02/07 Wolverine #51 - 99,636 (-15.0%)
03/07 Wolverine #52 - 95,276 ( -4.4%)
6 mnth (-11.7%)
1 year (+22.7%)
2 year (-10.1%)
3 year (+36.5%)
4 year (+53.3%)

Dropping back a bit for the third Loeb/Bianchi issue. However, WOLVERINE now seems to be reverting to the format of having different creators do each arc. That means it’s likely to get periodic sales bumps, and that retailers may be tempted to order each arc along the lines of a miniseries. By those standards, this would be a perfectly fine number.

Issue #51 picks up 2,455 re-orders.

16. UNCANNY X-MEN
03/01 Uncanny X-Men #392 - 96,271
03/02 Uncanny X-Men #404 - 95,386
03/03 Uncanny X-Men #420 - 85,473
03/04 Uncanny X-Men #441 - 86,431
03/05 Uncanny X-Men #457 - 86,365
=====
03/06 Uncanny X-Men #470 - 79,389 ( +0.4%)
03/06 Uncanny X-Men #471 - 78,286 ( -1.4%)
04/06 Uncanny X-Men #472 - 79,157 ( +1.1%)
05/06 Uncanny X-Men #473 - 79,335 ( +0.2%)
06/06 Uncanny X-Men #474 - 78,140 ( -1.5%)
07/06 Uncanny X-Men #475 - 106,037 (+35.7%)
07/06 Uncanny X-Men #476 - 92,154 (-13.1%)
08/06 Uncanny X-Men #477 - 89,225 ( -3.2%)
09/06 Uncanny X-Men #478 - 89,850 ( +0.7%)
10/06 Uncanny X-Men #479 - 89,052 ( -0.9%)
11/06 Uncanny X-Men #480 - 88,584 ( -0.5%)
12/06 Uncanny X-Men #481 - 85,995 ( -2.9%)
01/07 Uncanny X-Men #482 - 83,860 ( -2.5%)
02/07 Uncanny X-Men #483 - 83,009 ( -1.0%)
03/07 Uncanny X-Men #484 - 82,043 ( -1.2%)
6 mnth ( -8.7%)
1 year ( +3.3%)
2 year ( -5.0%)
3 year ( -5.1%)
4 year ( -4.0%)

Still in a gentle decline as the year-long “Fall and Rise of the Shi’ar Empire” nears a conclusion. However, Ed Brubaker and Billy Tan remain significantly up on the sales of the previous creative team.

22. X-MEN
03/01 X-Men #112 - 93,428
03/02 New X-Men #124 - 104,138
03/03 New X-Men #138 - 95,278
03/04 New X-Men #154 - 117,253
03/05 X-Men #168 - 83,979
=====
03/06 X-Men #184 - 79,480 ( +0.0%)
04/06 X-Men #185 - 78,815 ( -0.8%)
05/06 X-Men #186 - 79,536 ( +0.9%)
06/06 X-Men #187 - 77,918 ( -2.0%)
07/06 X-Men #188 - 95,487 (+22.5%)
07/06 X-Men #189 - 85,157 (-10.8%)
08/06 X-Men #190 - 83,436 ( -2.0%)
09/06 X-Men #191 - 82,048 ( -1.7%)
10/06 X-Men #192 - 81,816 ( -0.3%)
11/06 X-Men #193 - 80,102 ( -2.1%)
12/06 X-Men #194 - 78,114 ( -2.5%)
01/07 X-Men #195 - 76,900 ( -1.6%)
02/07 X-Men #196 - 75,707 ( -1.6%)
03/07 X-Men #197 - 75,184 ( -0.7%)
6 mnth ( -8.4%)
1 year ( -5.4%)
2 year (-10.5%)
3 year (-35.9%)
4 year (-21.1%)

In decline. The X-books are relying on the upcoming “Endangered Species” crossover to give them a boost.

23. WOLVERINE: ORIGINS
04/06 Origins #1 - 182,672
05/06 Origins #2 - 131,522 (-28.0%)
06/06 Origins #3 - 116,058 (-11.8%)
07/06 Origins #4 - 110,830 ( -4.5%)
08/06 Origins #5 - 120,448 ( +8.7%)
09/06 Origins #6 - 101,013 (-16.1%)
10/06 Origins #7 - 103,273 ( +2.2%)
11/06 Origins #8 - 91,585 (-11.3%)
12/06 Origins #9 - 84,733 ( -7.5%)
01/07 Origins #10 - 97,881 (+15.5%)
02/07 Origins #11 - 78,901 (-19.4%)
03/07 Origins #12 - 74,750 ( -5.3%)
6 mnth (-26.0%)

Still adjusting to life without variant covers. The decline seems to be slowing, and it’s quite possible that ORIGINS will settle to a very respectable mid-table position.

31. ULTIMATE X-MEN
03/01 Ultimate X-Men #1 - 97,985
03/02 Ultimate X-Men #16 - 96,150
03/03 Ultimate X-Men #30 - 89,544
03/04 Ultimate X-Men #43 - 97,002
03/05 Ultimate X-Men #57 - 83,835
=====
03/06 Ultimate X-Men #68 - 72,765 ( +0.1%)
04/06 Ultimate X-Men #69 - 73,188 ( +0.6%)
05/06 Ultimate X-Men #70 - 72,235 ( -1.3%)
06/06 Ultimate X-Men #71 - 71,314 ( -1.3%)
07/06 Ultimate X-Men #72 - 70,593 ( -1.0%)
08/06 Ultimate X-Men #73 - 70,153 ( -0.6%)
09/06 Ultimate X-Men #74 - 68,874 ( -1.8%)
10/06 Ultimate X-Men #75 - 73,837 ( +7.2%)
11/06 Ultimate X-Men #76 - 69,054 ( -6.5%)
12/06 Ultimate X-Men #77 - 67,338 ( -2.5%)
01/07 Ultimate X-Men #78 - 66,409 ( -1.4%)
02/07 Ultimate X-Men #79 - 64,363 ( -3.1%)
03/07 Ultimate X-Men #80 - 63,037 ( -2.1%)
6 mnth ( -8.5%)
1 year (-13.4%)
2 year (-24.8%)
3 year (-35.0%)
4 year (-29.6%)

Another Ultimate book in decline. If the direct market sales are anything to go by, the imprint really needs a kick.

52. X-23: TARGET X
03/05 X-23 #4 of 6 - 54,750
=====
12/06 Target X #1 of 6 - 58,125
01/07 Target X #2 of 6 - 44,000 (-24.3%)
02/07 Target X #3 of 6 - 42,132 ( -4.2%)
03/07 Target X #4 of 6 - 41,858 ( -0.7%)
2 year (-23.5%)

Levelling out well for a miniseries. It’s not as popular as the original X-23 miniseries two years ago, but that aside, it’s doing just fine.

57. X-FACTOR
03/06 X-Factor #4 - 48,183 ( -0.3%)
03/06 X-Factor #5 - 46,490 ( -3.5%)
04/06 X-Factor #6 - 45,220 ( -2.7%)
05/06 X-Factor #7 - 44,315 ( -2.0%)
06/06 X-Factor #8 - 76,150 (+71.8%)
07/06 X-Factor #9 - 68,799 ( -9.7%)
08/06 X-Factor #10 - 44,603 (-35.2%)
09/06 X-Factor #11 - 43,431 ( -2.6%)
10/06 X-Factor #12 - 42,909 ( -1.2%)
11/06 X-Factor #13 - 42,844 ( -0.2%)
12/06 X-Factor #14 - 40,208 ( -6.2%)
01/07 X-Factor #15 - 38,693 ( -3.8%)
02/07 X-Factor #16 - 38,240 ( -1.2%)
03/07 X-Factor #17 - 38,067 ( -0.4%)
6 mnth (-12.4%)
1 year (-21.0%)

Slow but steady decline.

58. NEW X-MEN
03/04 New Mutants #10 - 34,841
03/05 New X-Men #11 - 35,549
=====
03/06 New X-Men #24 - 42,044 ( +1.4%)
04/06 New X-Men #25 - 40,176 ( -4.4%)
05/06 New X-Men #26 - 40,073 ( -0.3%)
06/06 New X-Men #27 - 39,785 ( -0.7%)
07/06 New X-Men #28 - 39,771 ( -0.0%)
08/06 New X-Men #29 - 40,303 ( +1.3%)
09/06 New X-Men #30 - 39,658 ( -1.6%)
10/06 New X-Men #31 - 39,175 ( -1.2%)
11/06 New X-Men #32 - 37,919 ( -3.2%)
12/06 New X-Men #33 - 38,076 ( +0.4%)
01/07 New X-Men #34 - 37,272 ( -2.1%)
02/07 New X-Men #35 - 37,142 ( -0.3%)
03/07 New X-Men #36 - 37,004 ( -0.4%)
6 mnth ( -6.7%)
1 year (-12.0%)
2 year ( +4.1%)
3 year ( +6.2%)

Remarkably solid over the last few months, although the general trend still seems to be down.

75. EXILES
03/02 Exiles #11 - 37,446
03/03 Exiles #23 - 36,380
03/04 Exiles #44 - 37,575
03/05 Exiles #60 - 42,898
=====
03/06 Exiles #78 - 33,506 ( +1.5%)
04/06 Exiles #79 - 34,119 ( +1.8%)
05/06 Exiles #80 - 34,039 ( -0.2%)
05/06 Exiles #81 - 33,908 ( -0.4%)
06/06 Exiles #82 - 33,342 ( -1.7%)
06/06 Exiles #83 - 33,143 ( -0.6%)
07/06 Exiles #84 - 32,866 ( -0.8%)
08/06 Exiles #85 - 33,978 ( +3.4%)
09/06 Exiles #86 - 33,080 ( -2.6%)
10/06 Exiles #87 - 31,946 ( -3.4%)
11/06 Exiles #88 - 30,928 ( -3.2%)
12/06 Exiles #89 - 36,880 (+19.2%)
01/07 Exiles #90 - 31,595 (-14.3%)
02/07 Exiles #91 - 31,712 ( +0.4%)
03/07 Exiles #92 - 30,296 ( -4.5%)
6 mnth ( -8.4%)
1 year ( -9.6%)
2 year (-29.4%)
3 year (-19.4%)
4 year (-16.7%)

A slight dip, but still within the book’s normal range.

79. CABLE & DEADPOOL
03/04 Cable & Deadpool #1 - 47,130
03/05 Cable & Deadpool #13 - 25,551
=====
03/06 Cable & Deadpool #26 - 25,584 ( +11.6%)
04/06 Cable & Deadpool #27 - 26,153 ( +2.2%)
05/06 Cable & Deadpool #28 - 25,665 ( -1.9%)
06/06 Cable & Deadpool #29 - 25,368 ( -1.2%)
07/06 Cable & Deadpool #30 - 59,333 (+133.9%)
08/06 Cable & Deadpool #31 - 59,804 ( +0.8%)
09/06 Cable & Deadpool #32 - 60,177 ( +0.6%)
10/06 Cable & Deadpool #33 - 30,741 ( -48.9%)
11/06 Cable & Deadpool #34 - 29,144 ( -5.2%)
12/06 Cable & Deadpool #35 - 27,785 ( -4.7%)
01/07 Cable & Deadpool #36 - 26,803 ( -3.5%)
02/07 Cable & Deadpool #37 - 26,588 ( -0.8%)
03/07 Cable & Deadpool #38 - 26,258 ( -1.2%)
6 mnth ( -56.4%)
1 year ( +2.6%)
2 year ( +2.8%)
3 year ( -44.3%)

In slight decline recently, but overall, CABLE & DEADPOOL has been a very solid performer over the last couple of years.

86. X-MEN: FIRST CLASS
09/06 First Class #1 of 8 - 39,859
10/06 First Class #2 of 8 - 33,688 (-15.5%)
11/06 First Class #3 of 8 - 30,805 ( -8.6%)
12/06 First Class #4 of 8 - 28,455 ( -7.6%)
01/07 First Class #5 of 8 - 26,607 ( -6.5%)
02/07 First Class #6 of 8 - 25,125 ( -5.6%)
03/07 First Class #7 of 8 - 24,028 ( -4.4%)
6 mnth (-39.7%)

Standard miniseries declines. An ongoing title is scheduled, almost immediately upon the miniseries concluding. That decision is usually justified on the grounds that the book is doing well with the audience for Marvel Adventures books. On that basis, it’ll be interesting to see how retailers treat the ongoing title. Thus far, they certainly seem to subscribe to the view that it’s got wider direct market appeal than its siblings.

145. WISDOM [Max]
11/06 Wisdom #1 of 6 - 20,021
12/06 –
01/07 Wisdom #2 of 6 - 14,855 (-25.8%)
02/07 Wisdom #3 of 6 - 12,400 (-16.5%)
03/07 Wisdom #4 of 6 - 11,503 ( -7.2%)

A disastrously underperforming mini. We’ll look discreetly away.

Astonishing X-Men and New Excalibur both didn't ship in March (New Excalibur was only a week late but it slipped into the first week of April)

How sick is it that Exiles sells higher than Cable & Deadpool?:nonono2:

[bairdduvessa]

How sick is it that Exiles sells higher than Cable & Deadpool?:nonono2:

pisses me off

[bairdduvessa]

so me store didn't have excallibur

[Kefky]

Exiles is actually the most stable-selling book in the marvel line, along with punisher MAX. It's been selling exactly 30k for years now. Be damned if I know why, but it broke the downward trend.

[bairdduvessa]

spoilers form the new wizard
rogue isn't going to lead the team much longer

[The Jack Rabbitt]

spoilers form the new wizard
rogue isn't going to lead the team much longer

that kinda sucks. she didn't have a very long stint.

[Kefky]

spoilers form the new wizard
rogue isn't going to lead the team much longer

Oh man, if she dies, IF SHE DIES!!!!! :mad:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh man, if she dies, IF SHE DIES!!!!! :mad:

No way, man. No. Way. :no:

[bairdduvessa]

Oh man, if she dies, IF SHE DIES!!!!! :mad:

she may end up being the depowered one

[Kefky]

she may end up being the depowered one

I cal deal with that.

Then Carey could bring them back without all the baggage they've gotten lately, and people would stop whining that they're too complicated. :blah:

[bairdduvessa]

I cal deal with that.

Then Carey could bring them back without all the baggage they've gotten lately, and people would stop whining that they're too complicated. :blah:

we'll see



so did anybody read the new Excalibur issue? is anybody going to post reviews?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

she may end up being the depowered one

Thats my theory as well.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

we'll see



so did anybody read the new Excalibur issue? is anybody going to post reviews?

I'll post reviews when my books come in...

but no, no New Excalibur for me.

[bairdduvessa]

where is roman?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

where is roman?

*shrugs*

Where's carmen sandiego?

[HomerGator]

*shrugs*

Where's carmen sandiego?

1347 West Silverthorn Lane
Alpharetta, GA

Don't ask how I know.:scared:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

1347 West Silverthorn Lane
Alpharetta, GA

Don't ask how I know.:scared:

:mistrust:

[bairdduvessa]

:eek:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

OMG! I knew I was forgetting some book. Lately it's been one every week, with Black Panther, Ion, X-23, and Loners all on the list so I can't think of what they all have in common. I forgot to buy New Excalibur! Oh well. Exiles sucked really bad so I don't think my childhood memories could survive it if both Claremont books were their usual piles of shit in the same week!

BTW, X-23 should have ended with the current issue...

[bairdduvessa]

OMG! I knew I was forgetting some book. Lately it's been one every week, with Black Panther, Ion, X-23, and Loners all on the list so I can't think of what they all have in common. I forgot to buy New Excalibur! Oh well. Exiles sucked really bad so I don't think my childhood memories could survive it if both Claremont books were their usual piles of shit in the same week!

BTW, X-23 should have ended with the current issue...

damnit no new excallibur then, lol.

i can see your point about x-23 but i have faith...i think :scared:

[Foggy's Pal]

I only get two X-books, X-Factor and Uncanny. These two haven't had to deal with Civil War much. Are the other X books the same way? I'm glad because the storytelling isn't limited to fit into the Civil War aftermath.

[bairdduvessa]

I only get two X-books, X-Factor and Uncanny. These two haven't had to deal with Civil War much. Are the other X books the same way? I'm glad because the storytelling isn't limited to fit into the Civil War aftermath.

cable/deadpool only because of wade; adjective less had to deal w/shield. new x-men; nothing to my recollection, new Excalibur nada, wolverine-i don't read but i'm sure it will have to eventually seeing how he's an avenger...origins no clue; wisdom doubtful. astonishing...no one knows when this book is taking place
in fact i think the only things that affected the x-books were bishop's defection, deadpool's fall from grace, emma telling tony to shove it and whatever happened in logan's book.

the other two you know

[Foggy's Pal]

cable/deadpool only because of wade; adjective less had to deal w/shield. new x-men; nothing to my recollection, new Excalibur nada, wolverine-i don't read but i'm sure it will have to eventually seeing how he's an avenger...origins no clue; wisdom doubtful. astonishing...no one knows when this book is taking place
in fact i think the only things that affected the x-books were bishop's defection, deadpool's fall from grace, emma telling tony to shove it and whatever happened in logan's book.

the other two you know

Yeah, there must have been a conscious decision to keep X out of the CW issues for the most part.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

New X-Men had a rehash of Emma Frost's anger at the Avengers' indifference to the tragedies at Genosha and with the porst-decimation slaughter of children at the school only this time she took it out on Carol Danvers.

[Akira]

New X-Men had a rehash of Emma Frost's anger at the Avengers' indifference to the tragedies at Genosha and with the porst-decimation slaughter of children at the school only this time she took it out on Carol Danvers.

:shock: I must buy this issue. Is this in the latest issue?

[bairdduvessa]

:shock: I must buy this issue. Is this in the latest issue?

no way back

[bairdduvessa]

according to diamond this week we have....


drum roll please

































astonishing # 21

[Vonn Hennigar]

according to diamond this week we have....
drum roll please

astonishing # 21

Looking forward to it...Sorta. See I just read Astonishing X-Men # 19 and 20 about an hour ago. Great character stuff as always and i laughed out loud at least 2 or 3 times.

Too bad Joss has such a hang-up for this Breakworld plot :?

How this is an X-Men story in any way shape or form is one of life's mysterys to me. Sure the Shiar and Imperial Guard are fine for the X-Men in space but this whole plotline has been the Pink Elephant in the room. Everyone seems afraid to say how shite it is because everything else about the book from the art to again the dialogue and characterization is so flawless.

Colossus destroying another planet? Ord? I wont even talk about John Cassadays Horrific character design for Danger. :nonono2: Dreads? Come on!

Just my 2 cents.

[bairdduvessa]

Looking forward to it...Sorta. See I just read Astonishing X-Men # 19 and 20 about an hour ago. Great character stuff as always and i laughed out loud at least 2 or 3 times.

Too bad Joss has such a hang-up for this Breakworld plot :?

How this is an X-Men story in any way shape or form is one of life's mysterys to me. Sure the Shiar and Imperial Guard are fine for the X-Men in space but this whole plotline has been the Pink Elephant in the room. Everyone seems afraid to say how shite it is because everything else about the book from the art to again the dialogue and characterization is so flawless.

Colossus destroying another planet? Ord? I wont even talk about John Cassadays Horrific character design for Danger. :nonono2: Dreads? Come on!

Just my 2 cents.
everything you've said that you've hated I have loved. Oh well. Ok I admit that breakword can be a lil odd to read about, but it's just Joss being Joss using his big bad for HIS run. That's all.

I happen to like the dreds too....

[The Jack Rabbitt]

according to diamond this week we have....


drum roll please



astonishing # 21

Thats it? Huh.

Well, this is one of the few books that I actually pick up at the LCS, so at least this week I'll be able to throw in my two cents in a timely manner.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I have NO doubt,that when this Astonishing run is over that we'll NEVER see or hear from Breakworld again in any way shape or form.

Unless one of the X-Men do die there, which will throw me into a fanboy rage :hulk:

I just don't see how this ties in to the X-Men mythos or themes in ANY WAY :?
Especially after such an unbelievably kick-ass last arc (13-18).

[Vonn Hennigar]

Bit late on this but i just finished reading X-Men Annual # 1. The recent one by Mike Carey and Mark Brooks.

As an old-school Alpha Flight fan i'm happy to see Northstar and Aurora finally cured.

Plus Exodus! Random! :rock: A story that makes sense and ends with a cliffhanger with Mr.Fucking Sinister!!!

Oh yeah! Can't wait to see where this goes. But i still haven't read any Uncanny or X-Men in a long time now. Marvel isn't breaking up those 2 storys for the tpb so i haven't had a chance to read any of Ed Brubaker or Mike Carey's runs. Looking forward to it anyways.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Bit late on this but i just finished reading X-Men Annual # 1. The recent one by Mike Carey and Mark Brooks.

As an old-school Alpha Flight fan i'm happy to see Northstar and Aurora finally cured.

Plus Exodus! Random! :rock: A story that makes sense and ends with a cliffhanger with Mr.Fucking Sinister!!!

Oh yeah! Can't wait to see where this goes. But i still haven't read any Uncanny or X-Men in a long time now. Marvel isn't breaking up those 2 storys for the tpb so i haven't had a chance to read any of Ed Brubaker or Mike Carey's runs. Looking forward to it anyways.

Agreed. I was quite pleasantly surprised by this annual. Fun stuff.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Anyone here reading Wolverine by Jeph Loeb and Simone Bianchi?

I just read the latest issues (#53) review over at the X-Axis and it sounds HORRIBLE.

I mean Chuck Austen would be ashamed to pen this mess by the sounds of it. I know it's unfair to judge a book by a review/sypnosis but dear lord this shit sounds Painful to read.

Like to hear you're guys thoughts if you've been reading this.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Anyone here reading Wolverine by Jeph Loeb and Simone Bianchi?

I just read the latest issues (#53) review over at the X-Axis and it sounds HORRIBLE.

I mean Chuck Austen would be ashamed to pen this mess by the sounds of it. I know it's unfair to judge a book by a review/sypnosis but dear lord this shit sounds Painful to read.

Like to hear you're guys thoughts if you've been reading this.

I'm going nowhere near that run. I've been following the atrocity via thexaxis as well, and...yeah. Sounds like utter crap.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Agreed on keeping a safe distance from Wolverine and on the Astonishing being a must read for the dialog and very little else. I actually like the book now that I've read the first two trades but I'm still very pissed Colossus is back. Now I'm back to wanting him and Gambit in a suicide pact.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Agreed on keeping a safe distance from Wolverine and on the Astonishing being a must read for the dialog and very little else. I actually like the book now that I've read the first two trades but I'm still very pissed Colossus is back. Now I'm back to wanting him and Gambit in a suicide pact.

No,no Astonishing X-Men has been great, i'm just not a big fan of the Breakworld as it doesn't seem to mesh with any of the X-Men's themes and feels more like a Fantastic Four plot,replace Colossus with the Thing and you'll see what i mean.

But the previous 3 arcs have been some of my absolute favorites in the x-books this decade.

The brilliant and funny dialogue and characterization and Art by John Cassaday have been some of the best on the market but in this arc it really stands out.

Still if we have some more great action scenes like the ones we got (Logan,Kitty,Piotr and Hisako's) escape pod being destroyed in mid-flight etc then i'll still enjoy it.

I guess i'd just like to see Joss Whedon say...Hey Assclowns, Apocalypse and Mr.Sinister ARE cool! Here let me prove it!!!

[bairdduvessa]

Anyone here reading Wolverine by Jeph Loeb and Simone Bianchi?

I just read the latest issues (#53) review over at the X-Axis and it sounds HORRIBLE.

I mean Chuck Austen would be ashamed to pen this mess by the sounds of it. I know it's unfair to judge a book by a review/sypnosis but dear lord this shit sounds Painful to read.

Like to hear you're guys thoughts if you've been reading this.

heh i saw the name loeb and ran away

[Matt O.]

I just got my New X-Men Omnibus in the mail today. Will I love it? Only read a couple of the arcs out of the run. The only problems I have:

-Frank Quitely and his faces
-Emma Frost looking like a 14 year-old prostitute

[Vonn Hennigar]

I just got my New X-Men Omnibus in the mail today. Will I love it? Only read a couple of the arcs out of the run. The only problems I have:

-Frank Quitely and his faces
-Emma Frost looking like a 14 year-old prostitute

I enjoyed it but the art early on really wavers. If you don't like Franky Q then dear lord wait until you get to the visual abortion that is Igor Kordey. Thankfully Ethan Van Sciver and Phil Jiminez step in and really take it to the next level.

Oh and the new Angel may be my most hated character this Millennium.

But Cassandra Nova and the the scope of the book more than makes up for it. Well until those last 9 issues which range from Bad to Confusing to Just plain Horrifically Bad.

[joeAR]

[QUOTE=Vonn Hennigar;3026127]

Oh and the new Angel may be my most hated character this Millennium.

QUOTE]


Beak was a definite close second.

[Matt O.]

I enjoyed it but the art early on really wavers. If you don't like Franky Q then dear lord wait until you get to the visual abortion that is Igor Kordey. Thankfully Ethan Van Sciver and Phil Jiminez step in and really take it to the next level.

Oh and the new Angel may be my most hated character this Millennium.

But Cassandra Nova and the the scope of the book more than makes up for it. Well until those last 9 issues which range from Bad to Confusing to Just plain Horrifically Bad.

What issues does EVS draw? I flipped through it and didn't see anything that looked like his style.

One of the stories I read was the disturbing arc when Angel has kids with bug boy.

I've always thought Cassandra Nova seemed a little..... meh. Is it one of those things you have to read to get?

[Vonn Hennigar]

A little Meh?

She's a genocidal fucking killing machine who radiates pure hatred like few villains i can remember, plus she's an ass kicking machine yet can still be defeated in a logical fashion.

Ethan did New X-Men #117 - 118, 123, 133

With Covers Only on #124 - 125, 128, 130 - 131, 134, 146

[Matt O.]

A little Meh?

She's a genocidal fucking killing machine who radiates pure hatred like few villains i can remember, plus she's an ass kicking machine yet can still be defeated in a logical fashion.

Ethan did New X-Men #117 - 118, 123, 133

With Covers Only on #124 - 125, 128, 130 - 131, 134, 146

But...... a clone?:?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

But...... a clone?:?

You're gonna have to read the story

[Eric Williams]

I just got my New X-Men Omnibus in the mail today. Will I love it? Only read a couple of the arcs out of the run. The only problems I have:

-Frank Quitely and his faces
-Emma Frost looking like a 14 year-old prostitute
My single favourite collected edition out of everything I own.
Quitely's art is certainly stylized, but I find it grows on you. I started out not liking his work, but I've really come to appreciate his innovative storytelling techniques and panel composition.

Either way, you're in for a great read. Just don't drop the thing on any household pets. :scared:

[Matt O.]

You're gonna have to read the story

That's what I thought. Thanks.

[Hock]

heh i saw the name loeb and ran away

I read the first two issues and am dropping it.

[Vonn Hennigar]

So i picked up the Civil War : Wolverine TPB today collecting the Marc Guggenheim and Humberto Ramos issues of Wolverine, # 42-48.

Damn,that was fanfuckingtastic! Guggenheim just Nailed Logan's personality and he had him go on a mission that not only made sense, it also didn't forget the kick-ass action. Wolverine's interaction with everyone was spot on from Emma and Scott to Nitro to Namor. The art wasn't quite what i'm into but it does a pretty good job. I'm not a fan of Uber-healing factor that can heal Logan from a burnt out skeleton but what can ya do? Plus a smart tie-in to Damage Control with some real-world parallels that don't hit you over the head.

Loved it.

8/10.

When this horrific Jeph Loeb run is over i hope Marvel brings back Marc Guggenheim. Loeb's run ends in July so the next Solicitation in a few weeks should give us the next creative team at the latest. I'm crossing my fingers.

[Akira]

I mentioned this in another thread earlier and wanted other people's feedback:

"Millar's UXM. For the life of me I can't figure out why people hate on it. It's one of the best X-runs in any book in any continuity."

Thoughts? Agreements? Arguments?

[Vonn Hennigar]

I mentioned this in another thread earlier and wanted other people's feedback:

"Millar's UXM. For the life of me I can't figure out why people hate on it. It's one of the best X-runs in any book in any continuity."

Thoughts? Agreements? Arguments?

Haven't read it yet believe it or not but any day now, i just need to find the time. Not a fan of MagHitlerneto for certain or Soul Patch Wolverine (He just looks like an ASS) but for the most part i can't wait to dig in. I just have too many damn comics on my to read pile :mad:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I mentioned this in another thread earlier and wanted other people's feedback:

"Millar's UXM. For the life of me I can't figure out why people hate on it. It's one of the best X-runs in any book in any continuity."

Thoughts? Agreements? Arguments?

Y'know, I'm actually going to have to go back and flip through those before I can formulate any opinion. UXM has been through so many creative changes that I can't actually recall what he did with his run.

But judging by the fact that I can't really remember what his run was about, I'm probably going to end up disagreeing that it was one of the best x-runs in any book in any continuity.

[Matt O.]

Y'know, I'm actually going to have to go back and flip through those before I can formulate any opinion. UXM has been through some many creative changes that I can't actually recall what he did with his run.

But judging by the fact that I can't really remember what his run was about, I'm probably going to end up disagreeing that it was one of the best x-runs in any book in any continuity.

Yeah, it was nothing special IMO. Another decent run, not much more. I can't say how good of an X-run it was, seeing as I'm not an X-Fan at all (although I luvs me X-Factor)

[Vonn Hennigar]

Astonishing X-Men # 21.

Well this isn't really moving very quickly at all. With only 3 more issues of Joss Whedon and John Cassaday (Plus a special Giant Size Issue if plans stay the same). This issue felt like they were spinning their wheels.

Hisako aka Armor gets her first Big Cover and then proceeds to...stand around for a couple of pages. The banter is as always clever,witty and funny. "Did You Teach Her the Handshake?" Kitty and Piotr get it on one more time complete with Nekkid Kitty Pryde action and Beast and Agent Brand share a couple of nice scenes,Is she a mutant too? Sure seems like it.

We get more Danger and yes she continues to Suck but at least she helps provide us with a suitably strong cliff-hanger.

Like most books on the stands it'll read much better in trade form. But as a stand alone issue, it's solid but unspectacular.

7/10 - John Cassaday always bring his A-Game.

[Matt O.]

Astonishing X-Men # 21.

Well this isn't really moving very quickly at all. With only 3 more issues of Joss Whedon and John Cassaday (Plus a special Giant Size Issue if plans stay the same). This issue felt like they were spinning their wheels.

Hisako aka Armor gets her first Big Cover and then proceeds to...stand around for a couple of pages. The banter is as always clever,witty and funny. "Did You Teach Her the Handshake?" Kitty and Piotr get it on one more time complete with Nekkid Kitty Pryde action and Beast and Agent Brand share a couple of nice scenes,Is she a mutant too? Sure seems like it.

We get more Danger and yes she continues to Suck but at least she helps provide us with a suitably strong cliff-hanger.

Like most books on the stands it'll read much better in trade form. But as a stand alone issue, it's solid but unspectacular.

7/10 - John Cassaday always bring his A-Game.

Forgot to order this on DCBS, going to have to go to my LCS this weekend.




Anyone else kind of disturbed at Emma White in Grant Morrison's New X-Men? She looks like a 14 year-old prostitute, and they're showing as much (and more, if you've seen Quitely's character sketches) as they can get away with when it comes to cleavage. Do they really expect readers to get turned on by 2-dimensional drawings of nearly naked women?:?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Forgot to order this on DCBS, going to have to go to my LCS this weekend.




Anyone else kind of disturbed at Emma White in Grant Morrison's New X-Men? She looks like a 14 year-old prostitute, and they're showing as much (and more, if you've seen Quitely's character sketches) as they can get away with when it comes to cleavage. Do they really expect readers to get turned on by 2-dimensional drawings of nearly naked women?:?

Emma Frost's skimpy costumes are a part of her character going back to day 1. Throwing her into they typical X-Bodysuit wouldn't suit her and would actually take away from her characterization.

Plus the characters in the book comment on her wardrobe all the time which makes it all the more entertaining.

[Matt O.]

Emma Frost's skimpy costumes are a part of her character going back to day 1. Throwing her into they typical X-Bodysuit wouldn't suit her and would actually take away from her characterization.

Plus the characters in the book comment on her wardrobe all the time which makes it all the more entertaining.

I'm fine with how she looks in Astonishing, but it was just too much in New X-Men. I'm still wondering how they got away with Frank Quitely showing her tits in the character sketches in the extras.


Any Frank Quitely fans out there? I really can't stand his art. His faces are absolutely horrible IMO. The worst part in New X-Men is that he can barely do one issue for every three that come out, and we usually have to settle for someone I like even less. The EVS issues are always the highlights. His Beak looks amazing.

[Matt O.]

I read the first two issues and am dropping it.

You beat me by one.

[bairdduvessa]

astonishing had some great scenes and twists

[Eric Williams]

I mentioned this in another thread earlier and wanted other people's feedback:

"Millar's UXM. For the life of me I can't figure out why people hate on it. It's one of the best X-runs in any book in any continuity."

Thoughts? Agreements? Arguments?
Hmm.
The Millar run certainly had its charm. I really enjoyed World Tour and the other arcs, and there was never really a dull moment. However, I found the overly snide dialogue dehumanized a lot of the characters and made it seem like the readers were being talked down to.

I personally didn't think it was the end of the world, but I can definitely see how it wouldn't really work for some people.

[bairdduvessa]

finaky got last weeks new excalibur...it was actually really good

[Vonn Hennigar]

Finally got a chance to read the 4 issue Civil War: X-Men mini-series tonight.

Not bad at all, it was nice seeing the 4 Original X-Boys back together again and i thought both sides of the conflict came off looking well. Bishop's side were doing what they felt was necessary as was Cyclops. I thought Val Cooper was written very strongly here and i loved seeing her beat the living shit out of General Lazer. I hope to see more of them as i assume Bishop is now working for the O*N*E. Plus Domino and Shatterstar! Yeah!! I always liked those two. Yanick Paquette handles the artwork and it's solid but it's not quite up to some of his other stuff (Seven Soldiers : Bulleteer) for example. Also it finally gives the 198 and the mutants some freedom, the Xavier Institute is no longer a gulag!! Yay!

On the negative side, those new Mecha Anime Shit designs for the Sentinels are horrifically bad, i hope to never see them again. Also Writer David Hine clearly has a hard-on for his own villain Johnny Dee and well i think he sucks. I mean octopus shit in his chest that makes fucking lil voodoo dolls??? It was terrible in the 198 mini and it's terrible here. Also they seemed to forget the 3rd act here as the big climax of the mini is the assembled masses trying to break down a door. Sure it's a nuclear bunker door and they're trying to release the escaped 198 group of mutants before their blown to kingdom come by a madman but still it's a fucking door!!! Exciting that aint.

Still solid stuff and i REALLY hope that someone finally says enough is enough and takes up the challenge and makes Iceman and Archangel as important to the X-Mythos as they deserve. Come on Ed Brubaker! don't let me down, these 2 characters need a kick in the ass and he's the one to give it to em.

6/10

[Kefky]

Look at the purty preview! :drool:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111388

[artimoff]

But...... a clone?:?

No, not a clone.

[artimoff]

finaky got last weeks new excalibur...it was actually really good

I agree. I just wish someone else could write the dialogue for every other person. Everyone speaks the same.

[artimoff]

I guess i'd just like to see Joss Whedon say...Hey Assclowns, Apocalypse and Mr.Sinister ARE cool! Here let me prove it!!!

But they're non cool, they're both fucking awful. The only good story with Sinister in it was the Adv. of Scott & Jean, & what is Apocalypse's mutant power?He's got like 50 of them.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

But they're non cool, they're both fucking awful. The only good story with Sinister in it was