The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So I'll pose everyone a question:

Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, New X-Men, or X-Factor? Or even Exiles?

I'm leaving out Astonishing (because I think pretty much everyone will say it), Cable/Deadpool, and the Wolverine books. Just the team books (minus Astonishing).

I think they're all kickass right now (don't read Exiles, though). If I had to chose a favorite, it'd probably be Carey's X-Men, because I like all the tripped out, Morrison-esque villains and characterization.

The others are ALL really good right now, though.

X-Factor. Easy. It's *way* better than Astonishing, as well, imo.

[billthomason]

Uno.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Uno.

:mistrust:

Dos?

[Akira]

Unfortunately, UltXM is dead to me.
Agreed. After Bendis left I gave BKV's run a shot, but switched to HC waiting not long after that. For my money, Millar is still the best writer the series has had, hands down. He was the only one that actually had the series feel like something brand new and not a belated love letter to another team's run on one of the 616 books.

[Sam Little]

Agreed. After Bendis left I gave BKV's run a shot, but switched to HC waiting not long after that. For my money, Millar is still the best writer the series has had, hands down. He was the only one that actually had the series feel like something brand new and not a belated love letter to another team's run on one of the 616 books.

I agree completely. I'd really love to have Millar back on UXM. I think I'd be just as happy to have Bendis on it though.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Eh, Millar was good on the book but it just didn't feel quite like an X-book to me. Bendis was eh, for me. But I liked BKV. I really liked the Longshot arc and Magnetic North. I think they were the two best arcs the books had, personally...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I started reading Ultimate when I came back to collecting and to be honest, the last issue was the only one I really enjoyed (tho' I do love me some evil Nightcrawler. It makes sense with his history). It amazes me that the man who does Irredeemable Ant-Man and Battle Pope could do such boring shit. It doesn't help that the art is so static. It's beautiful art, don't get me wrong, and everyone is fantastically rendered but there's usually no storytelling flow and the few battles look like poses more than action. I think we're stuck with him though until Singer has the time to dabble a bit. Ugh. Tell you what. Let me plot UXM for an arc or too. You'll see Ultimate then.

[Akira]

Eh, Millar was good on the book but it just didn't feel quite like an X-book to me.
Honestly that's what I liked the most about it. It didn't feel like an x-book, it felt new and different. Nowadays it feels less like that and more like "guess who/what just got ultimized!?"

[bairdduvessa]

Damn. Nothing for me.


edit - Post 1000!!!

congrats

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

You know, of the x-team books only Astonishing and Adjectiveless feel like classic x-team books and that's not a compliment.

[bairdduvessa]

You know, of the x-team books only Astonishing and Adjectiveless feel like classic x-team books and that's not a compliment.

huh?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Apart from modern day style dialogue, Astonishing has some of the worst of Claremont's incredibly slow pacing and so many storyline balls juggled in the air that a number are forgotten up there. Carey might not have the leaden pace but he does have the indecipherable subplots going and he has the worst art to back that up, just like a few of the Claremont years.

[bairdduvessa]

Apart from modern day style dialogue, Astonishing has some of the worst of Claremont's incredibly slow pacing and so many storyline balls juggled in the air that a number are forgotten up there. Carey might not have the leaden pace but he does have the indecipherable subplots going and he has the worst art to back that up, just like a few of the Claremont years.

ah ok

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Has there ever been an X-writer (or any other type) who allows their artists as much design freedom as Claremont? It's like the man himself had no input in the visual design of his creations. Look at them. Malice was clearly Bret Blevins, Mister Sinister was Silvestri all the way, and the radical redesign of Psylocke was quintiseential Jim Lee. Heck, he sometimes didn't even name the characters. Mister Sinister is an Ann Nocenti name if I ever heard one and she was the X-editor at the time.

[bairdduvessa]

Has there ever been an X-writer (or any other type) who allows their artists as much design freedom as Claremont? It's like the man himself had no input in the visual design of his creations. Look at them. Malice was clearly Bret Blevins, Mister Sinister was Silvestri all the way, and the radical redesign of Psylocke was quintiseential Jim Lee. Heck, he sometimes didn't even name the characters. Mister Sinister is an Ann Nocenti name if I ever heard one and she was the X-editor at the time.

i think he had more control than he let on

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The way you say control is like I meant what I posted as a negative thing. I always thought it was great Claremont came up with those grand concepts and then trusted his artists to bring their vision to them. I really don't think there's another writer with that kind of guts.

[bairdduvessa]

The way you say control is like I meant what I posted as a negative thing. I always thought it was great Claremont came up with those grand concepts and then trusted his artists to bring their vision to them. I really don't think there's another writer with that kind of guts.

stan lee...

[bairdduvessa]

ult x-men 3 x's one of kirkman's best issues. Lost of things happened, no action. Xavier left the school to scott, jean and storm. They ask Lillandra to help fund them she agrees, as long as she can have a rep at the school? the rep? that same slime bag from before. Bishop tries to convince Bobby to stop wasting his time, but is ignored. Bishop then goes and visits his current self in jail. Peter has gone to visit Jean Paul and may stay there indefinitely; runs into angel is wants to know if xavier ever mentioned him, got a big fat no. also a no to allison's forwarding address. Logan leavevs the school to look for his wife. Kurt saves a mutant who is being shot at by human terrorists and the police. The mutant? well it's a burn scared covered pyro who tells jurt that he is a orlock and he is sick of hiding.
scott then announces to the current x-men team (bishop, rogue, iceman, jean and storm) that he is disbanding the x-men and turning the school into just that a school. Bishop tries to argue back. Scott tells him that if wants the x-men he can for his own team. We then go to the future where cable is getting repaired by a robot. the city is in ruins. the robot tells cable that the x-men do not believe him to be dead because his dupe materialized too far from the scene to be identified (ala booster gold). He then goes to a suspended animation chamber that holds xavier in hit. Saying we have to talk.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

ult x-men 3 x's one of kirkman's best issues. Lost of things happened, no action. Xavier left the school to scott, jean and storm. They ask Lillandra to help fund them she agrees, as long as she can have a rep at the school? the rep? that same slime bag from before. Bishop tries to convince Bobby to stop wasting his time, but is ignored. Bishop then goes and visits his current self in jail. Peter has gone to visit Jean Paul and may stay there indefinitely; runs into angel is wants to know if xavier ever mentioned him, got a big fat no. also a no to allison's forwarding address. Logan leavevs the school to look for his wife. Kurt saves a mutant who is being shot at by human terrorists and the police. The mutant? well it's a burn scared covered pyro who tells jurt that he is a orlock and he is sick of hiding.
scott then announces to the current x-men team (bishop, rogue, iceman, jean and storm) that he is disbanding the x-men and turning the school into just that a school. Bishop tries to argue back. Scott tells him that if wants the x-men he can for his own team. We then go to the future where cable is getting repaired by a robot. the city is in ruins. the robot tells cable that the x-men do not believe him to be dead because his dupe materialized too far from the scene to be identified (ala booster gold). He then goes to a suspended animation chamber that holds xavier in hit. Saying we have to talk.

Whoa whoa whoa

Logan has a wife? Damn, a lot of stuff seems to have happened in that ish. Interesting stuff, really. I like the idea of Scott turning the school back into a real school and seeing the dissention from Bishop. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

Do we know how long Kirkman is on the book?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The impression they leave online is that Kirkman's keeping the seat warm until Singer has free time.

[Matt Jay]

The impression they leave online is that Kirkman's keeping the seat warm until Singer has free time.
Still? Won't that pretty much never happen now that he's got his hands full with the Superman franchise?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I've pretty much given up on the idea of Singer ever showing up to do this book.

[bairdduvessa]

singer is still supposed to come on

Whoa whoa whoa

Logan has a wife? Damn, a lot of stuff seems to have happened in that ish. Interesting stuff, really. I like the idea of Scott turning the school back into a real school and seeing the dissention from Bishop. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

Do we know how long Kirkman is on the book?

it was first revealed in bendis' run i think

[The Jack Rabbitt]

it was first revealed in bendis' run i think

Weird. I don't remember that at all.

[Matt O.]

Yeah, I've pretty much given up on the idea of Singer ever showing up to do this book.

I've lost all interest in the book since Kirkman started writing. Everyone knows it'll be the first major Ultimate retcon. Prof X can't stay dead.

[bairdduvessa]

Weird. I don't remember that at all.
it may have been millar's last issue. cyclops finds logan, invites him back to the team and hands logan a ring furry had, it was logan's wedding ring
I've lost all interest in the book since Kirkman started writing. Everyone knows it'll be the first major Ultimate retcon. Prof X can't stay dead.

read the last lines of my review?

[HomerGator]

Ugh... I wish Storm *wasn't* coming back. She's my least favorite regular X-character... I was quite happy to have her away from any books I was reading. I don't really know what puts me off her. But I was happy to be able to avoid her...

After reading the solicit, it LOOKS like Storm's appearance is in a guest-starring role. I don't think she's joining the X-Men again.

Also, what the hell does a thread have to do to get sticky'd?

[Magnum V.I.]

I've lost all interest in the book since Kirkman started writing. Everyone knows it'll be the first major Ultimate retcon. Prof X can't stay dead.

...Did you not read the latest Issue?


Also, The Biggest Ultimate X-Men Retcon looks like it's going to be...

The Return of Beast.



Also, Ultimate Pyro is fucking awesome.

[Ryan F]

After reading the solicit, it LOOKS like Storm's appearance is in a guest-starring role. I don't think she's joining the X-Men again.


I think Bru said she was around for the forseeable future - an idea which I strongly endorse. To me, the core X-Men are Storm, Wolverine, Colosus, Nightcrawler, Kitty, Rogue, Emma, and Cyclops. As long as they're alive, they should be on an X-Team.

[bairdduvessa]

Af

Also, what the hell does a thread have to do to get sticky'd?
no clue. but i want one damnit!
...Did you not read the latest Issue?


Also, The Biggest Ultimate X-Men Retcon looks like it's going to be...

The Return of Beast.



Also, Ultimate Pyro is fucking awesome.
i just wish we have seen pyro before this story. he was such a key x-character of the 80s. all of a sudden we just had this burn victem guy who could have been AoA Sunfire for all we knew.

[Magnum V.I.]

i just wish we have seen pyro before this story. he was such a key x-character of the 80s. all of a sudden we just had this burn victem guy who could have been AoA Sunfire for all we knew.

I love this Pyro though. I think it's one of Kirkman's best additions to the Ultimate X-Men. It makes sense that when his powers first manifested he horribly burned himself.

[bairdduvessa]

I love this Pyro though. I think it's one of Kirkman's best additions to the Ultimate X-Men. It makes sense that when his powers first manifested he horribly burned himself.

i am going to have to wait and see if i like it or not. i just love the stupidity of 616 pyro too much i guess (come on he was a romance novelist!)

[bairdduvessa]

wizard has 10 reasons why everybody needs to read the x-over this year
here are summaries of the capsuals with my theories
1. death in the family a member of rogues teams bites it. baird's opinion, mystique

2. return of the heros? 2 former x-men return my theory? gambit and sunfire

3. Betrayal from within the x-men face their deadliest thread: one of their own! So many possibilties i have no idea who to bed on

4. Power Outage and x-man loses their powers when they need them most! i'm saying rogue on this one

5. The Marauders Return with a new leader, i'm saying gambit

6. take the crazy train and x-man's mind may be to far gone to salvage.-poor, poor mastermind

7. Malice Aforethought! a slightly different Malice with a new method of breaking and entering-bdthe nova like being in the current arc?

8. x-rated encounter two members hook up. iceman and mystique right before she dies

9. This bud's for you! and X-man drnks beer and it's not logan. bd:Um all of them?

10. Under New Management the marauders get a new boss. bd: it's gambit

an interesting note, wizard is saying the endangered stories leads to an actal x-over....

[The Jack Rabbitt]

it may have been millar's last issue. cyclops finds logan, invites him back to the team and hands logan a ring furry had, it was logan's wedding ring


Aha. Now I remember.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

After reading the solicit, it LOOKS like Storm's appearance is in a guest-starring role. I don't think she's joining the X-Men again.

Thats the impression I got, as well.

Also, what the hell does a thread have to do to get sticky'd?

Either be a major Marvel event or a Bendis-penned book?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Also, The Biggest Ultimate X-Men Retcon looks like it's going to be...

The Return of Beast.


This is something I'm okay with. After all, he is my favorite x-character of all time.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i am going to have to wait and see if i like it or not. i just love the stupidity of 616 pyro too much i guess (come on he was a romance novelist!)

Sigh. I miss Freedom Force.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

wizard has 10 reasons why everybody needs to read the x-over this year
here are summaries of the capsuals with my theories
1. death in the family a member of rogues teams bites it. baird's opinion, mystique

2. return of the heros? 2 former x-men return my theory? gambit and sunfire

3. Betrayal from within the x-men face their deadliest thread: one of their own! So many possibilties i have no idea who to bed on

4. Power Outage and x-man loses their powers when they need them most! i'm saying rogue on this one

5. The Marauders Return with a new leader, i'm saying gambit

6. take the crazy train and x-man's mind may be to far gone to salvage.-poor, poor mastermind

7. Malice Aforethought! a slightly different Malice with a new method of breaking and entering-bdthe nova like being in the current arc?

8. x-rated encounter two members hook up. iceman and mystique right before she dies

9. This bud's for you! and X-man drnks beer and it's not logan. bd:Um all of them?

10. Under New Management the marauders get a new boss. bd: it's gambit

an interesting note, wizard is saying the endangered stories leads to an actal x-over....


1. You're wrong. No way it's her. It's probably like Lady Mastermind or something

2. I'm pretty sure we already know that Gambit is returning. Sunfire sounds like a good idea.

3. My guess: Karima. Don't know why. She is an omega sentinel, I suppose

4. Definitely Rogue

5. I like your theory.

6. Dunno. My first thought is Rogue for some reason

7. I hope she takes over Polaris again. That may have been the last time I didn't find Polaris boring

8. Yep. I can see Iceman and Mystique hooking up

9. Thats just odd.

10. See point 5.

[bairdduvessa]

1. You're wrong. No way it's her. It's probably like Lady Mastermind or something


the title was death in the family or something so its ether a summers/grey or mystique and her brood. then again it was the annal april issue of wizard so it could be all pranks

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Doesn't someone need to kick it to start the crossover?

And after all the deaths in New X-men shouldn't it be the 142 instead of the 198?

[Matt Jay]

Doesn't someone need to kick it to start the crossover?
That reminds me: SPOILERS for DEADLY GENESIS!

Banshees death was pointless. I never liked the guy, but seriously, that was dumb.

And after all the deaths in New X-men shouldn't it be the 142 instead of the 198?
Have we seen any numbers on how many Quicksilver has "cured"? I haven't been following his exploits in X-factor and Silent War.

[Jef UK]

Have we seen any numbers on how many Quicksilver has "cured"? I haven't been following his exploits in X-factor and Silent War.

They haven't really shown him cure anybody since "Son of M", and I don't know if those could be considered successes really. We'll be seeing Callisto soon, I think, so that will provide an answer of sorts. Pietro and Rictor have seemingly developed a relationship in X-Factor, so that may pay off too.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

That reminds me: SPOILERS for DEADLY GENESIS!

Banshees death was pointless. I never liked the guy, but seriously, that was dumb.

Yeah. I did not like that, either.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Just spitballing here but if you want to up the number from 198 then what about

A) The machine that mutated Lorna Dane way back when or

2) What about the mutation serum Hank McCoy ingested that further mutated his mutation. Heck, there's always

III) Whatever processes that were used to re-un-re-mutate Hank in X-Factor after they realized making him human looking was the easiest thing to fix of the 812 things wrong with the original X-Factor premise.

[Matt O.]

Yeah. I did not like that, either.

It was a waste of a life, and it was definitely a mistake, but I'm really enjoying seeing how Syrin's dealing with it.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

It was a waste of a life, and it was definitely a mistake, but I'm really enjoying seeing how Syrin's dealing with it.

or not dealing with it, as the case may be. It's an interesting case of denial.

[Magnum V.I.]

Doesn't someone need to kick it to start the crossover?

And after all the deaths in New X-men shouldn't it be the 142 instead of the 198?

Poor Mammomax :(

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Poor Mammomax :(

Why are the elephant-men always the first to go? Sniff.

[Magnum V.I.]

Why are the elephant-men always the first to go? Sniff.

Cancer.

[bairdduvessa]

They haven't really shown him cure anybody since "Son of M", and I don't know if those could be considered successes really. We'll be seeing Callisto soon, I think, so that will provide an answer of sorts. Pietro and Rictor have seemingly developed a relationship in X-Factor, so that may pay off too.

he "cured" some over in x-factor

[bairdduvessa]

Just spitballing here but if you want to up the number from 198 then what about

A) The machine that mutated Lorna Dane way back when or

2) What about the mutation serum Hank McCoy ingested that further mutated his mutation. Heck, there's always

III) Whatever processes that were used to re-un-re-mutate Hank in X-Factor after they realized making him human looking was the easiest thing to fix of the 812 things wrong with the original X-Factor premise.

fon't forget apocalypse's blood!

[bairdduvessa]

Poor Mammomax :(

Why are the elephant-men always the first to go? Sniff.

Cancer.

we have subcomed to cancer jokes? :shame:

That reminds me: SPOILERS for DEADLY GENESIS!

Banshees death was pointless. I never liked the guy, but seriously, that was dumb.




yea i'm not happy about that. all my favorite characters from the 90s are now either dead, are death, or now look like apocolypse

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Out of curiosity, I bought the first trade for Astonishing and I take back 82% of the bad things I've had to say about the series. The pace is just so glacial that I didn't appreciate most of what's been going on since I started picking up the monthlies. It's just too bad I am constitutionally incapable of waiting for trades. If it's available monthly (god, I'm having trouble writing that word without giggling when referring to Astonishing X-Men) then I have to buy it. And you know what? I still hate the fact Colossus was revived. He's one of the three X-Men that I loathe the most.

[bairdduvessa]

Out of curiosity, I bought the first trade for Astonishing and I take back 82% of the bad things I've had to say about the series. The pace is just so glacial that I didn't appreciate most of what's been going on since I started picking up the monthlies. It's just too bad I am constitutionally incapable of waiting for trades. If it's available monthly (god, I'm having trouble writing that word without giggling when referring to Astonishing X-Men) then I have to buy it. And you know what? I still hate the fact Colossus was revived. He's one of the three X-Men that I loathe the most.

i love watching love/hate relationships

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

All along I've bought the book because I enjoy not liking it. At least as much as people insist I should. Even having seen it in trade form I don't think it's even in the top three of X-books out right now...

[bairdduvessa]

All along I've bought the book because I enjoy not liking it. At least as much as people insist I should. Even having seen it in trade form I don't think it's even in the top three of X-books out right now...

i disagree, i think it is exactly the third best x-book (not including cable/deadpool). after every issue i end up saying "what the fuck" to myself, and in a good way

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Cable is one of my other three most loathed X-Men so I don't know about his book but my favorite X-Book is currently New X-Men then Uncanny followed by X-Factor. I like X-23 better than Astonishing followed by 1st Class and then there's a football field sized gap to Ultimate than Adjectiveless and the Wolverine books.

And my other most loathed X-Man? Gambit. I have never gotten why so many people like that character. My ideal story arc would be Cable, Colossus, and Gambit all being slaughtered by the Ani-Men.

[bairdduvessa]

Cable is one of my other three most loathed X-Men so I don't know about his book but my favorite X-Book is currently New X-Men then Uncanny followed by X-Factor. I like X-23 better than Astonishing followed by 1st Class and then there's a football field sized gap to Ultimate than Adjectiveless and the Wolverine books.

And my other most loathed X-Man? Gambit. I have never gotten why so many people like that character. My ideal story arc would be Cable, Colossus, and Gambit all being slaughtered by the Ani-Men.

gambit was my favorite growing up:surrend:

[HomerGator]

Cable is one of my other three most loathed X-Men so I don't know about his book but my favorite X-Book is currently New X-Men then Uncanny followed by X-Factor. I like X-23 better than Astonishing followed by 1st Class and then there's a football field sized gap to Ultimate than Adjectiveless and the Wolverine books.

And my other most loathed X-Man? Gambit. I have never gotten why so many people like that character. My ideal story arc would be Cable, Colossus, and Gambit all being slaughtered by the Ani-Men.

I'm sure you already realize that you're in the minority with your opinion of those characters (albeit a vocal minority). If this wasn't already painfully clear, just keep in mind you just said "ideal story arc" and "the Ani-Men" in the same sentence.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

My most loathed x-character: Wolvie

Favorite: Beast.

[Matt O.]

My most loathed x-character: Wolvie

Favorite: Beast.

Agree with you about Wolverine, but I've never liked Beast. Nightcrawler all the way baby8)

[bairdduvessa]

least favorite ever?-maggot

favorite-chamber

[Kefky]

Hey, I just started a official avengers thread, and you guys should go post in it! C'mon, then! Right now! Do it for the greater good! :mad:

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109085

[The Jack Rabbitt]

least favorite ever?-maggot


You're dead to me! Dead, I say!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Hey, I just started a official avengers thread, and you guys should go post in it! C'mon, then! Right now! Do it for the greater good! :mad:

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109085

Done and done.

[bairdduvessa]

Hey, I just started a official avengers thread, and you guys should go post in it! C'mon, then! Right now! Do it for the greater good! :mad:

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109085
i'm on my way!
You're dead to me! Dead, I say!

sorry. i also detest cecilia reyes, storm, bishop, cyclops, and husk

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i'm on my way!


sorry. i also detest cecilia reyes, storm, bishop, cyclops, and husk

Bah! Me likey Reyes and Husk (though not so much since she came to the X-Men). And Cyke used to kick ass back in the day. Not so much anymore. Same with Storm. Those are two characters that worked much better under old-Claremont. Bishop has always been bleh.

[bairdduvessa]

Bah! Me likey Reyes and Husk (though not so much since she came to the X-Men). And Cyke used to kick ass back in the day. Not so much anymore. Same with Storm. Those are two characters that worked much better under old-Claremont. Bishop has always been bleh.

i like whedon's cyclops, but he will always be the boring up tight character from the 90s, with the exception of right before grant's run. lobdell wrote him great during that time

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'm sure you already realize that you're in the minority with your opinion of those characters (albeit a vocal minority). If this wasn't already painfully clear, just keep in mind you just said "ideal story arc" and "the Ani-Men" in the same sentence.

That was the point. I was trying to think of the lamest villains who could off those three. And yes, I know I'm a minority. I'm used to that. But you know what? This is one of the few places where I can state my honest, maybe unpopular opinions and not be told I'm wrong. I'm told why others disagree but not attacked. That's why this and a few other threads here are my favorite places online.

[iGotKittyPryde]

My favorites: Kitty, Madrox and Layla Miller (if X-Factor counts)
My least favorites: Storm and Gambit

[Matt Jay]

Favorites: Wolverine, Madrox, Nightcrawler, Iceman

Least favorite: Storm

[bairdduvessa]

looks like the only x-book this week is new excallibur

[HomerGator]

That was the point. I was trying to think of the lamest villains who could off those three. And yes, I know I'm a minority. I'm used to that. But you know what? This is one of the few places where I can state my honest, maybe unpopular opinions and not be told I'm wrong. I'm told why others disagree but not attacked. That's why this and a few other threads here are my favorite places online.

Cool. For the record, while I disagree with your opinion of Colossus, I'm pretty much right there with you when it comes to Cable and Gambit.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

looks like the only x-book this week is new excallibur

:sleepy:

[bairdduvessa]

:sleepy:

told you i'm cursed when it comes to threads!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Favorite X-Men of all time? Northstar, Cecelia Reyes, Marvel Girl

Favorite mutant of all time? Nate Grey, The X-Man, baby. Nate Grey all the way!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

told you i'm cursed when it comes to threads!

Hang in there, buddy!

[bairdduvessa]

Hang in there, buddy!

i'm not too concerned this thread has to last whar 7 8 months?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So I read Cable & Deadpool 38 yesterday and

T-Ray is back!

:rock:

[bairdduvessa]

So I read Cable & Deadpool 38 yesterday and

T-Ray is back!

:rock:

si!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

si!

Its been a while since a return has been me smile like a school girl like this one did.

[bairdduvessa]

Its been a while since a return has been me smile like a school girl like this one did.

non!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

non!

:mistrust:

Are you feeling alright?

[bairdduvessa]

:mistrust:

Are you feeling alright?

heh i typed that while fighting insomnia.

i just wanted to reply in another language i guess

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The New Excalibur issue was a disappointment after last issue. We have a deep and emotional story and that's followed up by this alternative history drek that belongs in Exiles and the most unnecessary return on the last page that we've seen in this series yet.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The New Excalibur issue was a disappointment after last issue. We have a deep and emotional story and that's followed up by this alternative history drek that belongs in Exiles and the most unnecessary return on the last page that we've seen in this series yet.

well, who was it?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

heh i typed that while fighting insomnia.

i just wanted to reply in another language i guess

I'll allow it.

I mean: esta bien, mi amigo

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

well, who was it?

The Shadow King's evil X-Men and SCicluna, the woman whose name sounds like a pasta no matter how hard you try to tell yourself it isn't, because we can't get enough of boring and cliched characters. BTW. shouldn't the Bad X-Men make the mutant count 203?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The Shadow King's evil X-Men and SCicluna, the woman whose name sounds like a pasta no matter how hard you try to tell yourself it isn't, because we can't get enough of boring and cliched characters. BTW. shouldn't the Bad X-Men make the mutant count 203?

Ugh, their story still isn't done?

As for the number of mutants, its best to not think too hard about it.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I don't think Claremont read any comics while he was gone. I can understand it. He probably needed to be careful with his heart and how bad a few of the Exiles and New Excalibur stories got would have killed him!

[bairdduvessa]

ok just read New Excalibur. agreed this issue was not really needed. all it does is set up who Albion is. And even then it's boring. Plus they have to include those damn purple inter dimensional crap characters that were in clasremont's x-run back in 2000
the issue could have been worse regardless but still the book feels rather pointless under claremont.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

And why firm it up that Albion and Kelsey are the only two Captains of their kind? Weren't those of us who cared (all six or seven maybe) looking forward to a battle of equals between the two types of Captain Britain across the multiverse?

[bairdduvessa]

And why firm it up that Albion and Kelsey are the only two Captains of their kind? Weren't those of us who cared (all six or seven maybe) looking forward to a battle of equals between the two types of Captain Britain across the multiverse?

dunno i knew nothing about the captain brittan multi verse until house of m

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

That's probably for the best with how complicated it is. It also makes you think less of the Marvel US version because he is just so much less without use of that rich backstory...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I love all the Captain Britain Corps. stuff and the multiverse. The old Captain Britain series was great and when everything was incorporated into the old Excalibur series I loved it. Theres some great stuff out there.

[bairdduvessa]

newsarama has previews fr new x-men 37
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aprl07/previews/morepreviews.html

[The Jack Rabbitt]

newsarama has previews fr new x-men 37
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aprl07/previews/morepreviews.html

:rock:

I didn't think it was possible, but I am now even more excited than I was.

[YouStayClassy]

They brought Kelsey back???

[HomerGator]

dunno i knew nothing about the captain brittan multi verse until house of m

Dude, if you ever get a chance, you should REALLY read the Alan Moore/Alan Davis Captain Britain TPB. It's really really badass.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Dude, if you ever get a chance, you should REALLY read the Alan Moore/Alan Davis Captain Britain TPB. It's really really badass.

Agreed!

[HomerGator]

Agreed!

I was so disappointed when they brought the Fury into Uncanny X-Men. Before that he was easily the scariest villain I'D ever seen. Everyone was pissing themselves every time he showed up!!!

[bairdduvessa]

They brought Kelsey back???
huh?
Dude, if you ever get a chance, you should REALLY read the Alan Moore/Alan Davis Captain Britain TPB. It's really really badass.

i'll add it to my list

[The Jack Rabbitt]

huh?


I think he's talking about Kelsey Leigh, aka the new Captain Britain

[bairdduvessa]

I think he's talking about Kelsey Leigh, aka the new Captain Britain

ah ok. then yup they did. she appeared in the second new excaliber arc as well. apparently she went from being an avenger to being bat shit insane.

i blame wanda.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

ah ok. then yup they did. she appeared in the second new excaliber arc as well. apparently she went from being an avenger to being bat shit insane.

i blame wanda.

can I somehow blame chuck austen?

[bairdduvessa]

can I somehow blame chuck austen?
whatever floats your easter basket

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Kelsey was a mistake from her first appearance. What made less sense: Brian fricking Braddock separating her permanantly from her kids or a Captain Britain living in NYC? I'd hoped Claremont had something just more in mind to salvage the character but if she just vanished from the story as of this issue I doubt I'd even notice.

[bairdduvessa]

Kelsey was a mistake from her first appearance. What made less sense: Brian fricking Braddock separating her permanantly from her kids or a Captain Britain living in NYC? I'd hoped Claremont had something just more in mind to salvage the character but if she just vanished from the story as of this issue I doubt I'd even notice.

i honestly know nothing about her. first thing i ever read with her in it was avengers dissassembled

[bairdduvessa]

according to new joe fridays jubilee will show up in july

[The Jack Rabbitt]

according to new joe fridays jubilee will show up in july

:boogie:

[bairdduvessa]

:boogie:

she had bette rnot be the one who dies

[The Jack Rabbitt]

she had bette rnot be the one who dies

That would make me :hulk:

[bairdduvessa]

That would make me :hulk:

i'd go all like glalactus on rabies or something

[bairdduvessa]

so what is the deal with cannoballs immortality? is he, or isn't he? how did he live again after he was impaled? are the highlander people still threatening a law suit?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

so what is the deal with cannoballs immortality? is he, or isn't he? how did he live again after he was impaled? are the highlander people still threatening a law suit?

I guess he's still one of the Externals or whatever they were called.

[bairdduvessa]

I guess he's still one of the Externals or whatever they were called.

no the one survining member said he wasn't

[HomerGator]

no the one survining member said he wasn't

Holy crap, that stuff STILL hasn't been straightened out?

[bairdduvessa]

Holy crap, that stuff STILL hasn't been straightened out?

not to my knowledge no. it all happened after i quit comics. i guess the highlander people sued marvel, marvel killed off ALL the externals but one chick (selene? the chick that absorbed people's life forces....) and she told cannonball he wasn't one of them.

[bairdduvessa]

eeep some one updated his wiki

"Cannonball's existence as an External was disputed by Selene, who once claimed that he was not an External. However, she is not a particularly trustworthy source and no alternate explanation has been given for his surviving the wounds Sauron had inflicted. His immortality was recently brought up as the reason he survived 3 gunshot wounds to the chest in New X-Men #28, so his status as an External hasn't been completely forgotten by Marvel writers."

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I thought Selene was lying to him. Pretty sure he's still an External.

Did not know about Highlander suing Marvel, though. Interesting.

[bairdduvessa]

Yeah, I thought Selene was lying to him. Pretty sure he's still an External.

Did not know about Highlander suing Marvel, though. Interesting.

i could be wrong, i read about that years ago. I just remember that the highlander show was huge and they thought marvel was ripping them off (both started around the same time right?)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I think Highlander had been going for some time before the eXternals. 'Course, they were right that there could be only one only they weren't it.

[bairdduvessa]

I think Highlander had been going for some time before the eXternals. 'Course, they were right that there could be only one only they weren't it.

:P

the tv show started around 93 or 94. the movie around 85 or 86

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Hey, X-Men people. Vote for New X-Men 37 in the review crew voting thread. Now!

[Lanowar]

I would read X-Men but I don't like the artist it's just all over the place and sometimes the X-Men in question look odd. Though some might not call it an X-book I keep really to Cable & Deadpool and thats it. Though the New X-men are alright to an extent despite the fact the amount of bad stuff that keeps happening to them.

[Matt O.]

I would read X-Men but I don't like the artist it's just all over the place and sometimes the X-Men in question look odd. Though some might not call it an X-book I keep really to Cable & Deadpool and thats it. Though the New X-men are alright to an extent despite the fact the amount of bad stuff that keeps happening to them.

You've really got to read X-Factor, man.

[bairdduvessa]

Hey, X-Men people. Vote for New X-Men 37 in the review crew voting thread. Now!
remind me later please
I would read X-Men but I don't like the artist it's just all over the place and sometimes the X-Men in question look odd. Though some might not call it an X-book I keep really to Cable & Deadpool and thats it. Though the New X-men are alright to an extent despite the fact the amount of bad stuff that keeps happening to them.
s'all good yo

[Matt O.]

I decided I'm just going to read Uncanny and Adjectiveless in trade, probably hardcover. I'm sticking to X-Factor for monthly books.

[Lanowar]

Oh sorry I forgot X-Factor I read that yes I liked the orginal Madrox mini-series so this was no question. The agent of Hydra issue was quite good.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

remind me later please


roger roger

[Matt O.]

roger roger

It won't win. If the writer comes to promote the book, then that book's getting picked. Loners all the way, baby!:D

[Maestro]

It won't win. If the writer comes to promote the book, then that book's getting picked. Loners all the way, baby!:D

But the writer DID come to the board a while ago

[Matt O.]

But the writer DID come to the board a while ago

But CB came like 2 days ago, he takes precedence.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

It won't win. If the writer comes to promote the book, then that book's getting picked. Loners all the way, baby!:D

Ahem, Yost showed up in the review thread... and he's promoted the book a fair amount on the board (for the return of Magik, anyhow).

[Matt O.]

Ahem, Yost showed up in the review thread... and he's promoted the book a fair amount on the board (for the return of Magik, anyhow).

He didn't when I made the post:D

Is this issue the one with Niko on art? Whatever one that is would be worth reviewing.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

He didn't when I made the post:D

Is this issue the one with Niko on art? Whatever one that is would be worth reviewing.

Yup. It sure is. And its beginning the return of one of the best x-characters of all time!

[Matt O.]

Yup. It sure is. And its beginning the return of one of the best x-characters of all time!

The sad part is she won't get to meet up with her brother for about six months, if ever, since he belongs to Whedon until Astonishing is over. He's probably the guy they're going to be killing.

[bairdduvessa]

Hey, X-Men people. Vote for New X-Men 37 in the review crew voting thread. Now!

where is it?

[HomerGator]

The sad part is she won't get to meet up with her brother for about six months, if ever, since he belongs to Whedon until Astonishing is over. He's probably the guy they're going to be killing.

What makes you say that? I really doubt they'd bring Colossus back just to kill him. I'd guess that from Astonishing, Armor won't be coming back.

And if I had to guess from Uncanny, I'd say Marvel Girl and Professor X won't be coming back, although the second one would suprise me a bit.

[Matt O.]

What makes you say that? I really doubt they'd bring Colossus back just to kill him. I'd guess that from Astonishing, Armor won't be coming back.

And if I had to guess from Uncanny, I'd say Marvel Girl and Professor X won't be coming back, although the second one would suprise me a bit.

That's what writers do a lot, make you care for a character and then kill them again. And it would be a gigantic cop-out to kill Armor.


Spoiler for who will definitely return in UXM
Professor X is coming back, he plays a part in World War Hulk. Nightcrawler plays a part in the Morlocks arc, so he's definitely returning as well.

[bairdduvessa]

um isn't it the HoM illyana? therefor her peter is a different peter?

[HomerGator]

um isn't it the HoM illyana? therefor her peter is a different peter?

I remember reading something like that. That said, I don't think Piotr would give a flying fuck where she's from, as long as she's really her.

I'm just going to wait and see what New X-Men has to say before I start making any assumptions.

[bairdduvessa]

I remember reading something like that. That said, I don't think Piotr would give a flying fuck where she's from, as long as she's really her.

I'm just going to wait and see what New X-Men has to say before I start making any assumptions.

s'all good

[The Jack Rabbitt]

where is it?

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109535

[bairdduvessa]

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=109535

thanks rabbitt!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

thanks rabbitt!

Oh, no. Thank you.

*bows*

[bairdduvessa]

Oh, no. Thank you.

*bows*

so charels xavier vs optimus prime. who wins?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

so charels xavier vs optimus prime. who wins?

Us. Because it shall be a glorious battle to behold.

[bairdduvessa]

Us. Because it shall be a glorious battle to behold.

Chuck: "I'll use my mental powers to control you!"

Optimus: " uh...you do know i'm a robot though"

Chuck:" shit...um, wanna go to 7-11"

Optimus: "Sure" (looks at xavier's legs) "I'll drive"

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Chuck: "I'll use my mental powers to control you!"

Optimus: " uh...you do know i'm a robot though"

Chuck:" shit...um, wanna go to 7-11"

Optimus: "Sure" (looks at xavier's legs) "I'll drive"

Heh. But Magneto would tear Megatron a new one.

[bairdduvessa]

Heh. But Magneto would tear Megatron a new one.

yup. and megatron will like it! Can you imagine if Megatron turned into a WW2 style gun? oh the carnage that would ensue

[bairdduvessa]

Going back to the Optimus vs Xavier bit.

prime could be all like, "One shall stand, one shall...um occasionaly be able to stand. Eh who can keep track"

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

um isn't it the HoM illyana? therefor her peter is a different peter?

Am I the only one who read that as a very dirty sentence?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I would read X-Men but I don't like the artist it's just all over the place and sometimes the X-Men in question look odd. Though some might not call it an X-book I keep really to Cable & Deadpool and thats it. Though the New X-men are alright to an extent despite the fact the amount of bad stuff that keeps happening to them.

You've really got to read X-Factor, man.

X-Factor isn't the book to recommend to someone with problems with X-Men's art. I've been reading since issue 2 and Raimondi has been the only artist who's been consistently good on the book and he's already been replaced or had a fill in artist.

[bairdduvessa]

Am I the only one who read that as a very dirty sentence?

...i see your point..and you can see hers too!

[HomerGator]

Bump.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, SOMEONE STICKY THIS FUCKING THREAD!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Bump.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, SOMEONE STICKY THIS FUCKING THREAD!

I don't see it happening. Though perhaps it will once the x-event kicks off.

[bairdduvessa]

I don't see it happening. Though perhaps it will once the x-event kicks off.

what will be will be

[Hock]

Bump.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, SOMEONE STICKY THIS FUCKING THREAD!

This shouldn't be stickied. Great thread, but not deserving of stickiness.

[bairdduvessa]

This shouldn't be stickied. Great thread, but not deserving of stickiness.

when endangered species begins maybe

[bairdduvessa]

this week. New X-Men 37. Uncanny 485

[The Jack Rabbitt]

this week. New X-Men 37. Uncanny 485

:boogie:

Looks like two great books. One from the LCS and one from the DCBS, for me.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

New X-Men 37 kicks ass!

Okay, it's actually 87%? percent of the book kicks ass. The history lesson on Belasco and Magik was awesome and the story part of the framing sequence was great but the art set in the mansion sucked donkey wang. Blindfold and Rockslide were the only characters I could identify. Ugh. The Mercury bit was nice but Surge was drawn...interestingly and not a good interesting. I also look forward to the ramifications of what the Cuckoos did. I didn't look forward to Skottie Young on this book but I had no clue the art was going to look as bad as it did. It was like all of Bachalo's bad points were emulated here. Double ugh.

I also bought the House of M trade for New Mutants since that storyline happened right before I got back into comics full time. Good but not nearly as kick ass awesome as New X-Men post-Decimation. I don't get why anyone thinks that Ilyana was porting when the Reality Wave hit. She'd clearly jumped two pages before hand and her 'ports are pretty quick when she doesn't pop through Limbo.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Uncanny X-Men kicked ass too!

I wish we had gotten to this point a whole hell of a lot sooner but what can you do? We got here and that's the point. The art was some of the best to ever grace the insides of an individual X-Men book in a long time too. What I like best about Billy Tan's artwork is that whether he's doing subtle tweaks of a character's look or not, it looks fresh and new because of the raw talent he brings to it. And the story points hit here? M'Kraan crystal, royal wedding, Darwin and Xavier going to see Jahf, and Emperor Vulcan? Wow. Hard to see how next issue's climax can go wrong at all no matter what any of the individual fates of the characters might be.

And about Deathbird. I notice her name was given as Princess Ca'Syee Neranami. I remember that when Claremont first brought Deathbird into the X-books that it was said that her name was taken away because of some great crime and there was that scene where Lilandra leaped at Deathbird screaming the word 'matricide'. Is this the first appearance of her given name? I know there was a storyline where she improbably hooked up with Bishop but I don't recall a name being given. But let's get real. That was a very forgettable era for the team, as evident in the fact Bishop was a featured player. Just curious if the name and the crime were ever etablished.

[bairdduvessa]

New X-Men 37. Quest for Magik. Ok I never really got into, or cared for Piotr's sister. She pretty much died after I started reading comics, so I came in with really, REALLY low hopes for this issue. Add to the fact I am not a fan of Scottie Young or whatever the artists name was, I really wasn't expecting to enjoy this issue. But fuck was it fun. And the art blew me away. For those who hide themselves from any spoilers
this illyana is the one from HoM and she only appears in Blindfold's story. . although I have to say that seeing Belasco actually be a bad ass was astounding. And I really did actually enjoy the art.
There were some other plot points going on to. we see that Mercuryis still not adjusting at all and Helion seam to be getting closer to realising he cares for her. Meanwhile the Cuckoo's help Elixir (using an unconscious beast) to realize his full potential)
4.5 x's

Uncanny 485-Part 11 of 12. I have to say getting this far into Bru's saga, that this book feels like it would be better in trade. instead of monthlies. As usual though Tan's art is amazing. And we begin to see just how fucked up Vulcan really is. This one I will post no spoilers for, I'm sure everything was covered before hand. The only thing is that I wish we didn't have the solicits for WWH: X-Men because the only real moment of suspense is gone. 3.75 x's

[bairdduvessa]

New X-Men 37 kicks ass!

Okay, it's actually 87%? percent of the book kicks ass. The history lesson on Belasco and Magik was awesome and the story part of the framing sequence was great but the art set in the mansion sucked donkey wang. Blindfold and Rockslide were the only characters I could identify. Ugh. The Mercury bit was nice but Surge was drawn...interestingly and not a good interesting. I also look forward to the ramifications of what the Cuckoos did. I didn't look forward to Skottie Young on this book but I had no clue the art was going to look as bad as it did. It was like all of Bachalo's bad points were emulated here. Double ugh.

I also bought the House of M trade for New Mutants since that storyline happened right before I got back into comics full time. Good but not nearly as kick ass awesome as New X-Men post-Decimation. I don't get why anyone thinks that Ilyana was porting when the Reality Wave hit. She'd clearly jumped two pages before hand and her 'ports are pretty quick when she doesn't pop through Limbo.
heh i only picked up the HoM issues because it was the last full powered Jubilee issues L-( but yea they do not compare at all
Uncanny X-Men kicked ass too!

I wish we had gotten to this point a whole hell of a lot sooner but what can you do? We got here and that's the point. The art was some of the best to ever grace the insides of an individual X-Men book in a long time too. What I like best about Billy Tan's artwork is that whether he's doing subtle tweaks of a character's look or not, it looks fresh and new because of the raw talent he brings to it. And the story points hit here? M'Kraan crystal, royal wedding, Darwin and Xavier going to see Jahf, and Emperor Vulcan? Wow. Hard to see how next issue's climax can go wrong at all no matter what any of the individual fates of the characters might be.

And about Deathbird. I notice her name was given as Princess Ca'Syee Neranami. I remember that when Claremont first brought Deathbird into the X-books that it was said that her name was taken away because of some great crime and there was that scene where Lilandra leaped at Deathbird screaming the word 'matricide'. Is this the first appearance of her given name? I know there was a storyline where she improbably hooked up with Bishop but I don't recall a name being given. But let's get real. That was a very forgettable era for the team, as evident in the fact Bishop was a featured player. Just curious if the name and the crime were ever etablished.

i agree whole heartedly about the art and tan's style.

i think Deathbird was named back in the early 90s. I"m sure it was on a trading card. If not who knows? Maybe check her wiki?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The picture of who Belasco sensed was HoM Magik but then he said she was gone. I really do hope that they revive the One True Magik. Anyways, a comment by Yost (or maybe it was the other one) said that they had zero interest in HoM Magik. Hope that's true because HoM Magik didn't hold a candle to even the Exiles version. I want my Darkchild!

[Raydawggie]

Since Jack seems to have lost this. ;)

[bairdduvessa]

Since Jack seems to have lost this. ;)

i'm sure he'll kick my ass soon

[Matt O.]

It's so much more fun invading other threads.........

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Since Jack seems to have lost this. ;)

Thats not all I've lost...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i'm sure he'll kick my ass soon

:mistrust:

Okay.

*boots Baird*

[bairdduvessa]

:mistrust:

Okay.

*boots Baird*

in post count

[The Jack Rabbitt]

in post count

Ohhhhhh. Okay.

[bairdduvessa]

Ohhhhhh. Okay.

i think. i'm not longer a precog do to some gypsie chick's mental break down

[HomerGator]

i think. i'm not longer a precog do to some gypsie chick's mental break down

I hate it when that happens.

[bairdduvessa]

I hate it when that happens.
at one times i knew you would have said that, but not now

[The Jack Rabbitt]

at one times i knew you would have said that, but not now

Dude, you think its bad no longer remember what you were going to say, I can no longer remember what i've already said...

...

[HomerGator]

at one times i knew you would have said that, but not now

A damn shame, that.....

:cry:

[bairdduvessa]

A damn shame, that.....

:cry:
si
Dude, you think its bad no longer remember what you were going to say, I can no longer remember what i've already said...

...

ha

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

A) Get a room.

2) Call me sometime in 2009 when this thread gets back near topic at least.

[HomerGator]

A) Get a room.

2) Call me sometime in 2009 when this thread gets back near topic at least.

Sorry, dude, anytime bairdduvessa (and youstayclassy, but i haven't seen him around these parts in a while) and I get going, the thread will find itself miles and miles away from its 'track'. We personally derailed the Civil War thread like fifty times.

[bairdduvessa]

Sorry, dude, anytime bairdduvessa (and youstayclassy, but i haven't seen him around these parts in a while) and I get going, the thread will find itself miles and miles away from its 'track'. We personally derailed the Civil War thread like fifty times.

also include rabbitt in that

[The Jack Rabbitt]

also include rabbitt in that

Yeah... :surrend:

[HomerGator]

also include rabbitt in that

Woops! Sorry, Jack! I had every intention of including you, I guess I just think much faster than I type!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Woops! Sorry, Jack! I had every intention of including you, I guess I just think much faster than I type!

I tend to type without thinking at all...

[bairdduvessa]

Woops! Sorry, Jack! I had every intention of including you, I guess I just think much faster than I type!

I tend to type without thinking at all...

stinking mutants!

[HomerGator]

stinking mutants!

Screw you, you flatscan genejoke!

[bairdduvessa]

so after work this morning i decided to read the premium hardcover Weapon X trade by Windsor-Smith. I have most of the issues seperately, but never the whole thing at once. And damn is it still a fun read. The art can be a little less than stellar, but after a few chapters it was near impossible to put down!
Not only that I had never read the final chapter, so here I was all pissed that it's been retconned that winter soldier was the one to get logan out, seeing how it is now after reading the final chapter I can actualy see it without being mad.
Sweet

[The Jack Rabbitt]

so after work this morning i decided to read the premium hardcover Weapon X trade by Windsor-Smith. I have most of the issues seperately, but never the whole thing at once. And damn is it still a fun read. The art can be a little less than stellar, but after a few chapters it was near impossible to put down!
Not only that I had never read the final chapter, so here I was all pissed that it's been retconned that winter soldier was the one to get logan out, seeing how it is now after reading the final chapter I can actualy see it without being mad.
Sweet

I've been thinking about maybe buying that. I have some of the individual issues, but I haven't read 'em in years...

[HomerGator]

so after work this morning i decided to read the premium hardcover Weapon X trade by Windsor-Smith. I have most of the issues seperately, but never the whole thing at once. And damn is it still a fun read. The art can be a little less than stellar, but after a few chapters it was near impossible to put down!
Not only that I had never read the final chapter, so here I was all pissed that it's been retconned that winter soldier was the one to get logan out, seeing how it is now after reading the final chapter I can actualy see it without being mad.
Sweet

I had to read this twice to have any idea what you were trying to say, dude. Let me see if I've got this straight: you're saying that, after re-reading Weapon X, the retcon that the Winter Soldier busted Logan out makes sense within the framework of the original story? Am I right?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I had to read this twice to have any idea what you were trying to say, dude. Let me see if I've got this straight: you're saying that, after re-reading Weapon X, the retcon that the Winter Soldier busted Logan out makes sense within the framework of the original story? Am I right?

Thats how I interpreted his comments...

[HomerGator]

Thats how I interpreted his comments...

OK, cool. Are we talking about the revelation from Daniel Way's run on the core Wolverine book?

[bairdduvessa]

I had to read this twice to have any idea what you were trying to say, dude. Let me see if I've got this straight: you're saying that, after re-reading Weapon X, the retcon that the Winter Soldier busted Logan out makes sense within the framework of the original story? Am I right?
yup
in the story we go through the chapter where logan goes beserk and kills everybody only to wake up thinking we hid, and we find that the professor, hines and Cornelius lived and had it all staged. So it is fesable that at some point during this winter soldier massacred the gaurds before logan awoke thus giving the trio the plan that they needed to avoid Logan's wrath etc.
then when he actualy left he stumbled upon the future director and carved him up

[bairdduvessa]

I've been thinking about maybe buying that. I have some of the individual issues, but I haven't read 'em in years...

i like the set up it uses. The pages are a little hard to turn though...You get the entire Weapon X saga, plus his initial preview and from late in Tiery's run on Wolverine the Origin of the Director

[bairdduvessa]

Wind Dancer is going to be in the New Warriors! albeit still unpowered...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Maybe her power was what holding the character back from being interesting...

[bairdduvessa]

Maybe her power was what holding the character back from being interesting...

i actually liked her. there was no trace of emo in her at all, which was nice

[bairdduvessa]

this weeks x-books, presented in an images only preview kind of way!
http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/814667_ful.jpg
http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/814795_ful.jpg
http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/814808_ful.jpg
http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/814809_ful.jpg
http://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/814810_ful.jpg
PLUS ALL THE DAMN ww3/52 STUFF...sigh it's gonna be an expensive week.
but damn as mutch as i hate Scottie's art i love this weeks c/d cover

[bairdduvessa]

*bamf bump bamf*

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Wind Dancer is going to be in the New Warriors! albeit still unpowered...

Yeah, I noticed that, too, and it actually has me considering picking up NW... :dunno:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Dude, that C&D cover kicks ass!
On top of that, X-Factor and X-Men for me, too.
Though only X-Factor through the LCS.

[HomerGator]

With the risk of getting everyone bitching about Kirkman's Ultimate X-Men, AGAIN (although I like it), what is everyone's reaction to ultimate Beast coming back?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

With the risk of getting everyone bitching about Kirkman's Ultimate X-Men, AGAIN (although I like it), what is everyone's reaction to ultimate Beast coming back?

Well, Beast is my favorite x-character so I'm all for it, even though I'm not reading Ultimate X-Men right now. Maybe this return will bring me back... :dunno:

[Matt O.]

Well, Beast is my favorite x-character so I'm all for it, even though I'm not reading Ultimate X-Men right now. Maybe this return will bring me back... :dunno:

You're really using that smilie a lot:dunno:


Ultimate X-Men was only better than decent with BKV and BMB, but what I've read of Kirkman's run is just horrendous. Professor X better no stay dead.

[artimoff]

You're really using that smilie a lot:dunno:


Ultimate X-Men was only better than decent with BKV and BMB, but what I've read of Kirkman's run is just horrendous. Professor X better no stay dead.

we already know he's not.

[Matt O.]

we already know he's not.

Was it revealed in the book? I dropped it awhile ago.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Ultimate X-Men was only better than decent with BKV and BMB, but what I've read of Kirkman's run is just horrendous. Professor X better no stay dead.

I think thats already been overturned.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was it revealed in the book? I dropped it awhile ago.

I think it was revealed last issue. I'm not reading it either, but Baird gave a good synopsis of that ish (in this very thread).

[Matt O.]

Spoilers for another reveal of who will definitely return in Uncanny

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004281177.cfm


Warpath's returning. This is awsome, coolest reinvention in a long while:boogie:

[Eric Williams]

Spoilers for another reveal of who will definitely return in Uncanny

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004281177.cfm


Warpath's returning. This is awsome, coolest reinvention in a long while:boogie:
Awesome! I'm so happy that Bru is doing something productive and interesting with the character.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Spoilers for another reveal of who will definitely return in Uncanny

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/004281177.cfm


Warpath's returning. This is awsome, coolest reinvention in a long while:boogie:

Excellent

[Matt O.]

Excellent

Now we can only hope that......

Darwin doesn't bite it





I'm debating whether or not to try the next arc. I'm trying to trade-wait things, and I was really disappointed with the 12-issue series. it wouldn't have been half as bad if they were allowed to tell the story in 18 or 24 issues. , instead of 8 chapters of character depth and only 4 chapters of story.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Now we can only hope that......

Darwin doesn't bite it





I'm debating whether or not to try the next arc. I'm trying to trade-wait things, and I was really disappointed with the 12-issue series. it wouldn't have been half as bad if they were allowed to tell the story in 18 or 24 issues. , instead of 8 chapters of character depth and only 4 chapters of story.

Do it. Read the next arc. In Bru we trust, remember?

[Matt O.]

Do it. Read the next arc. In Bru we trust, remember?

But......... I love the trade!:x



I'll be buying the TPB when it comes out either way, I just have to decide whether or not I want to spend the extra $10

[lonesomefool]

I'm on board for the next arc, it looks more up Bru's alley. I dont hate the current arc, but these 12 issue space sagas, just are not for me.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

But......... I love the trade!:x



I'll be buying the TPB when it comes out either way, I just have to decide whether or not I want to spend the extra $10

I just can't imagine buying Uncanny in trade form at this point, but thats because I have the last 380 or so in single form. I can't break that stride.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm on board for the next arc, it looks more up Bru's alley. I dont hate the current arc, but these 12 issue space sagas, just are not for me.

It definitely seems to be an arc thats more fit to Bru's style. He's openly admitted that he paced the space arc poorly. He's still getting used to the X-men's style. I expect the next arc to :rock:

[Matt O.]

I just can't imagine buying Uncanny in trade form at this point, but thats because I have the last 380 or so in single form. I can't break that stride.

:shock:


You've got every issue since #100?

[HCMarvel]

It definitely seems to be an arc thats more fit to Bru's style. He's openly admitted that he paced the space arc poorly. He's still getting used to the X-men's style. I expect the next arc to :rock:

Where'd he say that?

[lonesomefool]

Yeah, I respect Bru for coming out and saying he screwed up. I'm sticking with Uncanny X-Men, it isnt great, but there are A LOT worse books on the stands. I feel the same way about X-Men by Carey and Bachalo, it isnt ground breaking, it isnt a great book, but it entertains me enough that I feel it's money well spent.

[Matt O.]

Where'd he say that?

I think it was a Newsarama or Wizard article.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

:shock:


You've got every issue since #100?

I have #132 and up straight, and have 96, 101, 102, 105-119, 122-130, and a reprint of 94. I really should fill in the gaps at some point. I also have a smattering of the pre-relaunch issues.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Where'd he say that?

Don't remember exactly. Somewhere.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I respect Bru for coming out and saying he screwed up. I'm sticking with Uncanny X-Men, it isnt great, but there are A LOT worse books on the stands. I feel the same way about X-Men by Carey and Bachalo, it isnt ground breaking, it isnt a great book, but it entertains me enough that I feel it's money well spent.

I'm completely digging on X-Men right now. Fun stuff.

[Matt O.]

I'm completely digging on X-Men right now. Fun stuff.

But..... the art:sick:


I couldn't get into the story with Chris Bachalo drawing. It's just too.......... I don't know, just not for me.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

But..... the art:sick:


I couldn't get into the story with Chris Bachalo drawing. It's just too.......... I don't know, just not for me.

See, I like Bachalo. I have ever since the early days of Gen X and GR2099. There are times when its not the best, but its still fun. And his art in the last issue was great. Now, the Ramos fill-ins were horrible. I'll grant you that.

[HomerGator]

See, I like Bachalo. I have ever since the early days of Gen X and GR2099. There are times when its not the best, but its still fun. And his art in the last issue was great. Now, the Ramos fill-ins were horrible. I'll grant you that.

Once again, I agree with you completely. I've always been a big fan of Bachalo (especially his New X-Men work with Weapon Plus, I thought that was awesome). Now, Ramos? Not so much, but the inking and coloring are consistent enough where the switch isn't THAT jarring.

Personally, I dislike Billy Tan's work more than anyone else on an X book right now, with the possible exception of Skottie Young (haven't read any of his X stuff yet, so I'll comment once I've seen it). I think Clayton Henry would be a much better artist for Uncanny, but I guess that's just me.

As far as the quality of the two books, I'm digging on Uncanny AND X-Men SO hard right now (not to mention Astonishing, which is maybe my favorite book Marvel is putting out, albeit sporadically).

[bairdduvessa]

With the risk of getting everyone bitching about Kirkman's Ultimate X-Men, AGAIN (although I like it), what is everyone's reaction to ultimate Beast coming back?

i honestly thought he was going to appear in ultimates a week after his death

[Mike_Johnson]

i honestly thought he was going to appear in ultimates a week after his death

That actually would have been pretty cool.

[bairdduvessa]

Now we can only hope that......

Darwin doesn't bite it





I'm debating whether or not to try the next arc. I'm trying to trade-wait things, and I was really disappointed with the 12-issue series. it wouldn't have been half as bad if they were allowed to tell the story in 18 or 24 issues. , instead of 8 chapters of character depth and only 4 chapters of story.

darwin and xavier are merging

[bairdduvessa]

Where'd he say that?

an interview a while back either in wizard or newsarama

[bairdduvessa]

But..... the art:sick:


I couldn't get into the story with Chris Bachalo drawing. It's just too.......... I don't know, just not for me.
the art is what is keeping carey's run to me as being 100% kick ass
Once again, I agree with you completely. I've always been a big fan of Bachalo (especially his New X-Men work with Weapon Plus, I thought that was awesome). Now, Ramos? Not so much, but the inking and coloring are consistent enough where the switch isn't THAT jarring.

Personally, I dislike Billy Tan's work more than anyone else on an X book right now, with the possible exception of Skottie Young (haven't read any of his X stuff yet, so I'll comment once I've seen it). I think Clayton Henry would be a much better artist for Uncanny, but I guess that's just me.

As far as the quality of the two books, I'm digging on Uncanny AND X-Men SO hard right now (not to mention Astonishing, which is maybe my favorite book Marvel is putting out, albeit sporadically).

wow we really have opposte views on art

[HomerGator]

the art is what is keeping carey's run to me as being 100% kick ass


wow we really have opposte views on art

About Ramos? Young? Tan? Henry? All of the above? Where do we differ?

[bairdduvessa]

About Ramos? Young? Tan? Henry? All of the above? Where do we differ?

tan is better than ramos who is better than Baccelo

[The Jack Rabbitt]

tan is better than ramos who is better than Baccelo

You're fucking nuts.

Bachalo is a billion times (literally) better than Ramos.

And Tan is overrated.

[Matt O.]

darwin and xavier are merging

Gah. Not again:)

[bairdduvessa]

You're fucking nuts.

Bachalo is a billion times (literally) better than Ramos.

And Tan is overrated.

grrrrrrrrrr

[The Jack Rabbitt]

grrrrrrrrrr

:mad:

[bairdduvessa]

:mad:

tan is the best artist on a monthly x-book right now (astonishing is not included as a monthly...because well..)

[Matt O.]

tan is the best artist on a monthly x-book right now (astonishing is not included as a monthly...because well..)

Other than Pablo Raimiondi, I'd agree, just because I don't think any of the other books are that strong.

[bairdduvessa]

Other than Pablo Raimiondi, I'd agree, just because I don't think any of the other books are that strong.

yea i don't read that book so i don't even think of it

[Matt O.]

yea i don't read that book so i don't even think of it

Wait......... you don't read X-Factor?:x



:bansign:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

tan is the best artist on a monthly x-book right now (astonishing is not included as a monthly...because well..)

Raimondi is better.

[bairdduvessa]

Wait......... you don't read X-Factor?:x



:bansign:

oops for some reason i read the artist name as the guy doing wolverine with loeb.

[bairdduvessa]

i honestly have a hard time thinking of x-factor as an x book, it is so anti typical x-fare.

[Matt O.]

i honestly have a hard time thinking of x-factor as an x book, it is so anti typical x-fare.

That's why I like it. I've never liked the X-Men that much, mainly because I prefer to go against the grain and they were extremely popular when I was growing up.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i honestly have a hard time thinking of x-factor as an x book, it is so anti typical x-fare.

Yeah, I have the same problem. Same with Cable & Deadpool actually. and I ignore Wolverine books. Isn't Dillon on one of those? He's a fantastic artist.

[bairdduvessa]

Yeah, I have the same problem. Same with Cable & Deadpool actually. and I ignore Wolverine books. Isn't Dillon on one of those? He's a fantastic artist.

heh technically cable/deadpool isn't an x-book it's overseen by a different editorial group :-P but yea. i think dillon is on origins.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

heh technically cable/deadpool isn't an x-book it's overseen by a different editorial group :-P but yea. i think dillon is on origins.

Really? I didn't even realize that.

And, yeah, Dillon is better than Tan, too.