The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Howlett]

Some Giuseppe Camuncoli preview art for Dark Wolverine #75
Looks like some tension between Daken and Bullseye and Daken gets some action.

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994053/wolverine-vol-3-20090611025302077.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994053/wolverine-vol-3-20090611025305030.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994053/wolverine-vol-3-20090611025308139.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994053/wolverine-vol-3-20090611025253077.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994053/wolverine-vol-3-20090611025256295.jpg

Nice! Can't wait for this.

[leviathan]

And I'm finding I'm not such a fan of the current Uncanny artists. I do love Grege Land's art but he and Dodson aren't really serving Fraction's scripts all that well. Land's style and the sterile looking cheesecake of Dodson feel like they are in fact working against what the writing hopes to accomplish. My wish? That they'd find two young artists to replace them, preferably unknowns who bring what Joe Mad did. The book really needs artists who have an energy and dynamism to reflect what Fraction appears to be going for rather than poses...

Yeah. The only reason I'm not buying Uncanny right now is because of the artwork. I don't really mind Dodson's work, but Land's just grates one me.

I really like X-men Legacy's artwork though. Those rotating artists really fit the storylines.

[Spidey616]

Dark X-Men: Exodus & Confession Revealed (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994530p1.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994530/dark-avengersuncanny-x-men-event-20090612043912404.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/994/994530/dark-avengersuncanny-x-men-event-20090612043904982.jpg

[WinstonWolf]

Ah. I like Exodus.

[SpecialK]

Ah. I like Exodus.

It's not Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(comics)), though that's what I thought when I first read the title. I forgot that the one-shot wrapping up the crossover is called "Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus".

[WinstonWolf]

It's not Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(comics)), though that's what I thought when I first read the title. I forgot that the one-shot wrapping up the crossover is called "Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus".

Didn't we see a picture of him on the cover to Dark X-Men though?

[SpecialK]

Didn't we see a picture of him on the cover to Dark X-Men though?

No, that was Cloak, but it did look like Exodus.

[marco19]

exodus and all of the acolytes play a huge part in x-men legacy 225 coming out next week

[Spidey616]

Speaking of which, X-Men: Legacy #225 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2819&disp=table)

[WinstonWolf]

That actually looks good. I might get it just for the Acolytes.

[Spidey616]

Preview of Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2833&disp=table)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg1.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg2.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg3.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg4.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg5.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2833/prv2833_pg6.jpg

[The Roman]

I am seriously digging that, who's art?

[WinstonWolf]

Looks good, but a few questions. I haven't read the last two issues, but I thought Northstar said that he quit the team after he rejoined. Was that Glob Herman, from Grant Morrison's run? What happened to the Sisterhood anyway? I assume that the Red Queen was Maddie after all? Thanks.

[Spidey616]

Artist is Marc Silvestri

I think Northstar was just threatening to leave or kidding about leaving. Either way, he's still with the X-Men.

As for the Sisterhood still no explanation as to Madeline's return or whether the the Red Queen really was Pryor. Seems was destroyed last issue while Spiral, Lady Deathstrike, Chimera, Lady Mastermind escaped.

[hellblazer72]

the preview looks good, its always nice when silvestri draws a book...the captions describing the characters are aggravating...

[Spidey616]

I can't read french, but i think it's pretty easy to read from this article that Phil Jimenez is back drawing the X-Men with Astonishing X-Men with Warren Ellis writing starting at #31

http://forum.superpouvoir.com/showthread.php?p=297430#post297430

[Howlett]

I can't read french, but i think it's pretty easy to read from this article that Phil Jimenez is back drawing the X-Men with Astonishing X-Men with Warren Ellis writing starting at #31

http://forum.superpouvoir.com/showthread.php?p=297430#post297430

:neutral:

At least the book will look pretty.

[Fake Pat]

I am seriously digging that, who's art?

You are?

I think it looks insanely rushed, and generally pretty shitty.

[Fake Pat]

I can't read french, but i think it's pretty easy to read from this article that Phil Jimenez is back drawing the X-Men with Astonishing X-Men with Warren Ellis writing starting at #31

http://forum.superpouvoir.com/showthread.php?p=297430#post297430

It's like they're determined to make sure AXM never ships on time.

[HomerGator]

It's like they're determined to make sure AXM never ships on time.

Heh.

[WinstonWolf]

Artist is Marc Silvestri

I think Northstar was just threatening to leave or kidding about leaving. Either way, he's still with the X-Men.

As for the Sisterhood still no explanation as to Madeline's return or whether the the Red Queen really was Pryor. Seems was destroyed last issue while Spiral, Lady Deathstrike, Chimera, Lady Mastermind escaped.

Do you have a scan of them escaping? Also, was Iceman involved in this arc? What about the Stepford Cuckoos (spelling?)?

[HomerGator]

Do you have a scan of them escaping? Also, was Iceman involved in this arc? What about the Stepford Cuckoos (spelling?)?

Iceman was not, but the Cuckoos were. Not a large role, but they were there. Possible romantic developments between the three of them and one of the former New X-Men (yes, all three of them).

[Omega Flight]

Is it me or does Simon Trask look really fucking creepy even under pressure, guess he planned it? I gotta admit though it's not in your best interest to lead a peaceful demonstration with someone like Hellion taking point. :p

[Dan Lombardo]

Are people really pumped for UTOPIA? I'm concerned it's just gonna be another 'non-event' - like the current MESSIAH WAR - where nothing really happens outside of basic assumptions or solicitations. Difference is, this crossover's $3.99 an ish.

[HomerGator]

I think it looks really cool...

[billthomason]

What's the deal with Cyclops?

The dude has turned into a huge dick all of a sudden. I get that the events just preceding Messiah Complex and MC itself really fucked with his head, but come on. Why has he turned into a homicidal bio weapon using maniac? The guy has been through the ringer more than any other hero on the planet and all of a sudden he's into killing people like crazy?

It was probably a mistake not making him a skrull in SI. I hope to god they clean this up by making the Brood return somehow. I could see him forming X-Force. That's at least doable. But sending Young X-men out on murder missions and using the Legacy virus against the Skrulls? Really?

[SpecialK]

What's the deal with Cyclops?

The dude has turned into a huge dick all of a sudden. I get that the events just preceding Messiah Complex and MC itself really fucked with his head, but come on. Why has he turned into a homicidal bio weapon using maniac? The guy has been through the ringer more than any other hero on the planet and all of a sudden he's into killing people like crazy?

It was probably a mistake not making him a skrull in SI. I hope to god they clean this up by making the Brood return somehow. I could see him forming X-Force. That's at least doable. But sending Young X-men out on murder missions and using the Legacy virus against the Skrulls? Really?

About Young X-Men:

If you're referring to the first arc, that's not Cyclops. If you're not...well, I read the rest of the series but don't remember it.

[billthomason]

About Young X-Men:

If you're referring to the first arc, that's not Cyclops. If you're not...well, I read the rest of the series but don't remember it.

I haven't actually read Young X-men, just heard about it. But how do we explain X-Force and the Skrull/Legacy virus thing? Cyclops has always been about preserving life.

[SpecialK]

I haven't actually read Young X-men, just heard about it. But how do we explain X-Force and the Skrull/Legacy virus thing? Cyclops has always been about preserving life.

Well I've only been reading comics for a couple years, but X-Force seemed like a reasonable response to the Purifiers and later Bastion. And I didn't like Secret Invasion: X-Men, but....it was a war? I don't know what to tell you about that one.

[billthomason]

Well I've only been reading comics for a couple years, but X-Force seemed like a reasonable response to the Purifiers and later Bastion. And I didn't like Secret Invasion: X-Men, but....it was a war? I don't know what to tell you about that one.

Yeah, it was war, but germ warfare? Magneto would probably not even stoop that low. Maybe. Surely Cyclops wouldn't.

[Spidey616]

September Advanced X-Solicits (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21577)

A lot of good stuff. Warlock returns to New Mutants and Giant Sized Old Man Logan!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200909/120_WOLVERINE__OLD_MAN_LOGA.jpg

[Fake Pat]

September Advanced X-Solicits (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21577)

A lot of good stuff. Warlock returns to New Mutants and Giant Sized Old Man Logan!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200909/120_WOLVERINE__OLD_MAN_LOGA.jpg

The last OML and X-Force. That's it.

I thought there was gonna be a AXM by Jimenez sketchbook?

[Marcdachamp]

Holy. CRAP. That OML cover is incredible.

[MabusRex]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200909/120_WOLVERINE__OLD_MAN_LOGA.jpg

Surprise buttsecks?

and I SOOOO <3 that X-Force cover. Though Sonia needs to remember that Warren is blue. BLUE! Not grey ;)

[SpecialK]

Surprise buttsecks?

and I SOOOO <3 that X-Force cover. Though Sonia needs to remember that Warren is blue. BLUE! Not grey ;)

But then he'd clash with the rest of the team ;-)

[hellblazer72]

warren's leg's off on that cover, but i do like the wings

[HomerGator]

Yeah, it was war, but germ warfare? Magneto would probably not even stoop that low. Maybe. Surely Cyclops wouldn't.

Yeah, Scott used the Legacy Virus on the Skrulls, but if you remember, he told them they had a cure that would work on Skrull physiology, and that if they stood down he would share it with them. The Skrulls decided to self-destruct, rather than let him have the satisfaction of winning.

[Omega Flight]

Are people really pumped for UTOPIA? I'm concerned it's just gonna be another 'non-event' - like the current MESSIAH WAR - where nothing really happens outside of basic assumptions or solicitations. Difference is, this crossover's $3.99 an ish.

I am that's for sure. Besides how's Utopia going to be a non-event? I doubt they'd be hyping as it was if it wasn't. It's got a new X-Men team, Emma Frost betraying the X-Men, the return of Professor X to the main x-book and other things of that nature. Those all seem like event-type things to me.

Also how's Messiah War a non-event if I may ask?

[Marcdachamp]

Surprise buttsecks?

and I SOOOO <3 that X-Force cover. Though Sonia needs to remember that Warren is blue. BLUE! Not grey ;)

I like him much, MUCH better gray.

[Omega Flight]

Did anyone notice that homage to Final Crisis in the last issue of X-Force. Well if it was an homage, felt like one to me.

[WinstonWolf]

About the Legacy Virus thing, wasn't the entire thing done away with when Peter died? I know that he's back now, but i thought the Legacy Virus was long done away with.

[Criden]

the preview looks good, its always nice when silvestri draws a book...the captions describing the characters are aggravating...

They really are.

[SpecialK]

About the Legacy Virus thing, wasn't the entire thing done away with when Peter died? I know that he's back now, but i thought the Legacy Virus was long done away with.

The Legacy Virus has been used as a plot point in a couple books recently, like X-Force and Secret Invasion: X-Men.

[Savage Gong]

Why are there solicits classified until June 22? Is there another Monday release?*




*That Marvel won't ship to my LCS.

[marco19]

major announcemetns at the x-men panel this sunday at heroes con

[Dr. Chaos]

Why are there solicits classified until June 22? Is there another Monday release?
So is it just Amazing and Uncanny with the "classified until 6/22" message? Didn't notice any others.

Interesting.

[Savage Gong]

So is it just Amazing and Uncanny with the "classified until 6/22" message? Didn't notice any others.

Interesting.

I saw some Spider-Man issues were, too. Iron Patriot Acts business?

[Spidey616]

No X-Men: Legacy for September it seems. Eager to find out what lies in store for the title with this week's issue.

[Dr. Chaos]

I saw some Spider-Man issues were, too. Iron Patriot Acts business?
Thats what I've been wondering about/guessing at the moment aswell.

Whatever the Iron Patriot thing is, it supposedly goes down/starts in September going by the house ads and we see nothing about it in solicitations so the key to that may be in Amazing and or Uncanny.

[Savage Gong]

Thats what I've been wondering about/guessing at the moment aswell.

Whatever the Iron Patriot thing is, it supposedly goes down/starts in September going by the house ads and we see nothing about it in solicitations so the key to that may be in Amazing and or Uncanny.

Yep, but the Monday release of the solicitations seems odd. Or maybe not.

[Criden]

Yep, but the Monday release of the solicitations seems odd. Or maybe not.

Yeah--why release them on Monday and not their usual day of Wednesday?

(Cap #600 joke! Timely!)

[Savage Gong]

Yeah--why release them on Monday and not their usual day of Wednesday?

(Cap #600 joke! Timely!)

That was my original thought (of course, my store didn't get it. Jerky Marvel!)

[WinstonWolf]

Yeah, but how did the Legacy Virus come back? And how did they get a hold of it again?

[SpecialK]

Yeah, but how did the Legacy Virus come back? And how did they get a hold of it again?

Scientists, like Sinister and McCoy, kept samples of the virus.

[Omega Flight]

Yeah, but how did the Legacy Virus come back? And how did they get a hold of it again?

The X-Men must've kept inert samples. And X-Force also recovered some altered vials Mr Sinister kept.

[HomerGator]

About the Legacy Virus thing, wasn't the entire thing done away with when Peter died? I know that he's back now, but i thought the Legacy Virus was long done away with.

When Piotr used the Legacy Virus on himself to create the cure, it was the cure for the strain of the LEgacy Virus STRYFE introduced. Of course, not one to sit around while an insanely powerful weapon was literally floating around, Sinister apparently had been experimenting with creating different strains of the virus. In the second arc of X-Force, it is revealed that Bastion's forces (Cameron Hodge's The Right, in particular) have at least one strain of the virus, and the other ones (at least the ones we know about) have all been destroyed.

So, the only verion(s) out there now are in the hands of Bastion/Nimrod and his insanely huge forces.

[Omega Flight]

When Piotr used the Legacy Virus on himself to create the cure, it was the cure for the strain of the LEgacy Virus STRYFE introduced. Of course, not one to sit around while an insanely powerful weapon was literally floating around, Sinister apparently had been experimenting with creating different strains of the virus. In the second arc of X-Force, it is revealed that Bastion's forces (Cameron Hodge's The Right, in particular) have at least one strain of the virus, and the other ones (at least the ones we know about) have all been destroyed.

So, the only verion(s) out there now are in the hands of Bastion/Nimrod and his insanely huge forces.

And the version that the X-Men used to create a Skrull-targeting version of the virus.

[HomerGator]

And the version that the X-Men used to create a Skrull-targeting version of the virus.

D'oh!

Yes, and the version I was just talking about a few posts ago (which may in fact be the Stryfe version...).

[Omega Flight]

D'oh!

Yes, and the version I was just talking about a few posts ago (which may in fact be the Stryfe version...).

I'm pretty sure it was an altered version. But I don't have the comic anywhere near so I couldn't say.

[Dan Lombardo]

I am that's for sure. Besides how's Utopia going to be a non-event? I doubt they'd be hyping as it was if it wasn't. It's got a new X-Men team, Emma Frost betraying the X-Men, the return of Professor X to the main x-book and other things of that nature. Those all seem like event-type things to me.

Also how's Messiah War a non-event if I may ask?

Your first question: because everything you've listed, is going to happen. I see no surprises coming from this mini whatsoever. What fun is a big event when everything you need to know is discernable from the solicits and covers?

Your second question: because everything I just wrote is completely applicable to Messiah War. Nothing new has occurred outside of what we were told would occur, and judging from the future solicits (and even that retarted interview that one of the comics sites held with Yost Kyle + Swiercyinzki where they discussed the future of their books AFTER MW, when there's still 2 issues to go), there will be zero consequences. Such things are acceptable from regular arcs, but they are requirements for events.

Thus, the term 'non-event': when something said to be an 'event' achieves nothing whatsoever. Of which I fear for UTOPIA, seeing as there'll be 6-8 issues worth - all at $3.99 - of what seems like 90% of which we are already privy to due to announcements and such.

[Spidey616]

Messiah War goes all Star Wars in the penultimate chapter plus X-23 reunites iwth Kiden Nixon from NYX

And Xavier enters into DARK REGIN in Legacy.

[WinstonWolf]

I'll be buying the $2.99 books, but that's it. Happily, an X book actually SOLD OUT at my comic store.

[SpecialK]

X-Force 16 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/996/996465p1.html): The conclusion to Messiah War!

[marco19]

ugh looks like legacy is turning into rogue teaching and mentoring the x-kids according to the new cup of joe. Personally i think it would have been way cooler to have rogue have her own east coast team of x-men

[Spidey616]

Other X titles beside the Messiah War conclusion include:

WOLVERINE: WEAPON X #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2896&disp=table)

WOLVERINE NOIR #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2894&disp=table)

WOLVERINE: FIRST CLASS #16 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2895&disp=table)

X-FACTOR #45 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2897&disp=table)

X-MEN: FOREVER #2 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2898&disp=table)

[Fake Pat]

X-Force 16 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/996/996465p1.html): The conclusion to Messiah War!

Messiah War has completely destroyed my interest in X-Force. And I was really digging that book before.

[SpecialK]

Messiah War has completely destroyed my interest in X-Force. And I was really digging that book before.

I don't mind it, but it's certainly not at the same level as the first two arcs were for me.

[artimoff]

WOLVERINE: FIRST CLASS #16 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2895&disp=table)



I really hope this book lasts forever.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Maybe I still like X-Force because I didn't buy the Cable issues...

[Spidey616]

New info on the X-Men: Legacy Annual coming in September written by Mike Carey and drawn by Daniel Acuna

HeroesCon: Carey on X-Men: Legacy (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1245460736.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1245461216.jpg

[SpecialK]

HeroesCon: X-Men Panel (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090621-heroes-09-x-men.html)

Psylocke mini by Chris Yost coming.

Cover of Beast leaving?!?

[Omega Flight]

Ok so I'm looking to buy the whole New X-Men run but since the chances of getting the Omnibus at a fair price are FUBAR I wanted to know what the best alternative format is. I don't want to buy ALL the trades but I saw 3 ultimate collection trade paperbacks that collect the entire run so I wanted to know what the quality of those are.

As in do they collect all of the things that the Omnibus does including bonus material or is it inferior?

I also wanted to know what some of the best past X-Men comics to pick up are. I'm planning on getting the whole of the Joss Whedon Astonishing X-Men run and maybe check out the original Stan Lee/ Jack Kirby X-Men run.

[Criden]

Ok so I'm looking to buy the whole New X-Men run but since the chances of getting the Omnibus at a fair price are FUBAR I wanted to know what the best alternative format is. I don't want to buy ALL the trades but I saw 3 ultimate collection trade paperbacks that collect the entire run so I wanted to know what the quality of those are.

As in do they collect all of the things that the Omnibus does including bonus material or is it inferior?

I also wanted to know what some of the best past X-Men comics to pick up are. I'm planning on getting the whole of the Joss Whedon Astonishing X-Men run and maybe check out the original Stan Lee/ Jack Kirby X-Men run.

Make sure you read NXM before AXM. I'd just go for those Ultimate Collections.

[Omega Flight]

Make sure you read NXM before AXM. I'd just go for those Ultimate Collections.

A little late for that I already read the first trade of AXM and know what happens.

[Criden]

A little late for that I already read the first trade of AXM and know what happens.

Oh well. At least read NXM before you read any more AXM.

[Omega Flight]

Oh well. At least read NXM before you read any more AXM.

Oh ok. Care to recommend any other X-Men books or is that all you think?

[Criden]

Oh ok. Care to recommend any other X-Men books or is that all you think?

District X was really great. I liked the newest Gambit, Rogue, and Nightcrawler series. Carey's X-Men stuff has been very good. I'll try and think of some more.

[Omega Flight]

What about PAD's original run on X-Factor? And what would be good stories from the past Wolverine serieses? I'm thinking Claremont and Miller and the Weapon X mini.

[brianhalpin]

HeroesCon: X-Men Panel (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090621-heroes-09-x-men.html)

Psylocke mini by Chris Yost coming.

Cover of Beast leaving?!?


I'd love if that mini brought Psylocke's power set back to the Psi-knife and the precognition. That was always my favorite of her powers.

[artimoff]

HeroesCon: X-Men Panel (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090621-heroes-09-x-men.html)

Psylocke mini by Chris Yost coming.

Cover of Beast leaving?!?


I've lost all interest in her now that she's asian again.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Her being re-Asianified was a bummer. I haven't liked Betsy nearly as much since she went all Kwannon.

I read the Carey bit too and despite the fact I don't care for his writing very much and haven't really enjoyed Rogue since she's been shackled to Gambit, the new direction does sound intriguing. I'll be giving Legacy another go starting with the annual and I hope I last more than a story arc this time...

[John Drake]

HeroesCon: X-Men Panel (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090621-heroes-09-x-men.html)

Psylocke mini by Chris Yost coming.

Cover of Beast leaving?!?
Who do you guys think will be part of the "stable" team?

Iceman, Storm, Cyclops, Colossus, Pixie, Psylocke, Emma, Angel, Nightcrawler, Northstar.

[Spidey616]

I like what Yost teases for the first issue of his Psylocke mini

Chris Yost: Settling the Ghosts of Psylocke (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060922-Psylocke-Yost.html)

NRAMA: Can't let you go without a tease - how does issue #1 kick off?

CY: Psylocke kills some guy.

http://i.livescience.com/images/Psylocke_4_htolibao.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/Psylocke_3_htolibao.jpg

[Spidey616]

New Wolverine teaser image by Gabriel dell'Otto

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/997/997244/ominous-wolverine-teaser-released-20090623023429208.jpg

[hellblazer72]

if wolverine is the new terminator then john conner's in fuckin trouble..

[Omega Flight]

Her being re-Asianified was a bummer. I haven't liked Betsy nearly as much since she went all Kwannon.

I read the Carey bit too and despite the fact I don't care for his writing very much and haven't really enjoyed Rogue since she's been shackled to Gambit, the new direction does sound intriguing. I'll be giving Legacy another go starting with the annual and I hope I last more than a story arc this time...

I gotta agree with this. I can't honestly see any rhyme and reason why they put her back in Kwannon's body. Couldn't they just make Betsy a little more innocent? Why not put her back in her body and Kwannon in hers? Two seperate Psylockes so everyone wins.

[Dan Lombardo]

So Psylocke got RE-Asianified? Is THAT what happened?

I officially have no fucking clue what that last arc was about.

[Omega Flight]

So Psylocke got RE-Asianified? Is THAT what happened?

I officially have no fucking clue what that last arc was about.

To be honest half of it was a mystery to me too. They resurrected her in her previous body but then it got fried by Dazzler and she magically defeated the control over her AFTER it got fried thus forcing her into her asian body.

[artimoff]

So Psylocke got RE-Asianified? Is THAT what happened?

I officially have no fucking clue what that last arc was about.

It was about letting Greg Land draw lots of women. It's also about Fracton Thaking cool old concepts like the Hellfire Club & the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants & making them really lame.

[Omega Flight]

It was about letting Greg Land draw lots of women. It's also about Fracton Thaking cool old concepts like the Hellfire Club & the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants & making them really lame.

I honestly didn't get the point of the Hellfire Cult as to why they're using the name and yet another mutant-hating group. The Sisterhood I could get behind a bit more even though the name is a bit inaccurate (Spiral and Deathstrike aren't mutants).

Though the arc with Terry Dodson featuring the X-Club and Colossus was leaps and bounds better, hopefully it'll be the same with Utopia.

[Dan Lombardo]

To be honest half of it was a mystery to me too. They resurrected her in her previous body but then it got fried by Dazzler and she magically defeated the control over her AFTER it got fried thus forcing her into her asian body.

So strange... because the way I saw it:

they had Psylocke in the Asian Ninja body, and stole the Betsy body (the one Kwannon died in) from Japan.

Then, they tested their body-transferring thingie by moving Psylocke from Asian Ninja body back to her original Betsy body, which somehow healed all the gross decomposition. Also, they made her evil.

THEN, while Good Psylocke battled Evil Psylocke inside of the newly-healed Betsy body (while Asian Ninja body was left empty), Dazzler trashed her.

Good Psylocke won, but left trashed Betsy body and went back to her Asian Ninja body.

Did that happen? It sure was all very confusing.

[Omega Flight]

So strange... because the way I saw it:

they had Psylocke in the Asian Ninja body, and stole the Betsy body (the one Kwannon died in) from Japan.

Then, they tested their body-transferring thingie by moving Psylocke from Asian Ninja body back to her original Betsy body, which somehow healed all the gross decomposition. Also, they made her evil.

THEN, while Good Psylocke battled Evil Psylocke inside of the newly-healed Betsy body (while Asian Ninja body was left empty), Dazzler trashed her.

Good Psylocke won, but left trashed Betsy body and went back to her Asian Ninja body.

Did that happen? It sure was all very confusing.
Yeah something like that. As for why Betsy's body didn't look like a skeleton, I guess Spiral restored it with her body shoppe, the point of putting her in the body? Beats the hell out of me...

Uhh and they never actually pinned who the Red Queen was. Fraction kept saying she was a psychic ghost that killed Maddie while in the book she was being referred to as Maddie THEN at the end she gets called a psychic ghost... Also you think there's gonna be any followup to the phoenix energy being taken away from Rachel and Korvus in X-Men: Kingbreaker? That's the only reason I thought Jean Grey would be reserructed.

[Dan Lombardo]

Yeah something like that. As for why Betsy's body didn't look like a skeleton, I guess Spiral restored it with her body shoppe, the point of putting her in the body? Beats the hell out of me...

Uhh and they never actually pinned who the Red Queen was. Fraction kept saying she was a psychic ghost that killed Maddie while in the book she was being referred to as Maddie THEN at the end she gets called a psychic ghost... Also you think there's gonna be any followup to the phoenix energy being taken away from Rachel and Korvus in X-Men: Kingbreaker? That's the only reason I thought Jean Grey would be reserructed.

Well I personally believe it was the Phoneix Force or Jean that helped Emma break free. Remember when she said something like "Maddie?" or "Jean?" and the blurry red-headed image said "No, but I get that alot." or something?
Which would tie in with what occurred with Rachel and when it occurred in Kingbreaker.

[Spidey616]

This New Mutants #3 variatn is hot. In more ways than one ;)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1245879820.jpg

[Fake Pat]

So, Utopia's art was pretty much a total mess, huh?

[SpecialK]

So, Utopia's art was pretty much a total mess, huh?

Overall, yes. There were a few pieces I thought were good, though. Also, I had no idea who Onyxx was...I thought he was drawing Rockslide twice, but once with a helmet for some reason...

[Fake Pat]

I thought X-Force was a complete mess too. Messiah War absolutely ruined this book's momentum.

AXM pretty much redeemed itself though, which was nice, and Uncanny was the best issue of that title in a long time. Still getting dropped though.

[HomerGator]

I liked Messiah War in principle. I really like the characters involved, etc. but the last two issues just didn't do much for me. I liked the ending of this last issue, but end of the day, it felt like not much happened. To be fair, I'll wait until the fallout in the next issues of X-Force and Cable to judge it completely, but for an arc with Deadpool, X-Force, Cable, the mutant messiah, Stryfe, Bishop, AND Apocalypse, all in the future, it just didn't really live up to my expectations.

Haven't read Utopia or Uncanny yet, but I'll post with my feelings on those later tonight. I'm sure you're all eagerly waiting.

[Fake Pat]

I liked Messiah War in principle. I really like the characters involved, etc. but the last two issues just didn't do much for me. I liked the ending of this last issue, but end of the day, it felt like not much happened. To be fair, I'll wait until the fallout in the next issues of X-Force and Cable to judge it completely, but for an arc with Deadpool, X-Force, Cable, the mutant messiah, Stryfe, Bishop, AND Apocalypse, all in the future, it just didn't really live up to my expectations.

Haven't read Utopia or Uncanny yet, but I'll post with my feelings on those later tonight. I'm sure you're all eagerly waiting.

I really did too.

Then I actually read it.

[SpecialK]

Uncanny X-Men 513 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21766)

Cable 16 Preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2926&disp=table) Art only, but it's good looking art.

[NickT]

Overall, yes. There were a few pieces I thought were good, though. Also, I had no idea who Onyxx was...I thought he was drawing Rockslide twice, but once with a helmet for some reason...
I did the Onyxx thing too :Oops:





Uncanny was just fantastic in other book news, couldn't have hoped for more.

[The Roman]

That's some cool Cyclops panels there.

[HomerGator]

OK, the Uncanny issue was terrific. Just awesome stuff.

I also really dug Utopia. It certainly suffered from too many artists, but the story was really cool. I certainly didn't see the twist with Charles coming.

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Brian Reed (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21772) talks 2099

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I was a fucking idiot not to trust PAD. I thought he was pulling a Slott and then I got the last page of X-Factor 45. Thank you, Mister David, and my apologies for doubting...

[Omega Flight]

I was a fucking idiot not to trust PAD. I thought he was pulling a Slott and then I got the last page of X-Factor 45. Thank you, Mister David, and my apologies for doubting...

Whaddya mean pulling a Slott? That's not a bad thing by any means.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

It is when you 'out' Living Lightning for a juvenile gay joke and never ever touch base on it again over the years...

[Zac Goyette]

OK, the Uncanny issue was terrific. Just awesome stuff.

I also really dug Utopia. It certainly suffered from too many artists, but the story was really cool. I certainly didn't see the twist with Charles coming.

Agreed. I loved the Dr. Nemesis stuff for this issue. Utopia was good. I enjoyed quite a few scenes from the issue and it certainly gives promise to the rest of the crossover.

[Zac Goyette]

Whaddya mean pulling a Slott? That's not a bad thing by any means.

Is that like pulling your Thing?:-P

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I preferred Utopia (I read reviews condemning the many hands involved in the art but I thought it was fine and Fraction's strongest X-story to date) to Uncanny (best art since 500) and X-Factor (all around PAD-y goodness and nice art) and Forever (loved it and am amazed since I can't say that of any Claremont work since his first return besides GeNext) over both of them. X-Force? The crossover's done so we'll see if the wild ride will still be high octane or if this derailed it for good...

[Spidey616]

Fraction Utopia commentary

EVOLUTION REVOLUTION PART 1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21774)

[Arion]

I was a fucking idiot not to trust PAD. I thought he was pulling a Slott and then I got the last page of X-Factor 45. Thank you, Mister David, and my apologies for doubting...

Peter David has not let me down so far.

[HomerGator]

I'm REALLY looking forward to the Doom appearance in X-Factor. Should be interesting.

[Spidey616]

Qutie a development in Rictor and Shatterstar's relationship last issue.

Speaking of X-Factor-
X-Factor #46 PREVIEW (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table)

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Matt Fraction (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21827) talks Uncanny and Utopia.

[Spidey616]

That's some nice Dodson art :)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/xposition/UNCX514002_150p.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/xposition/UNCX514006_150p.jpg

[The Roman]

Qutie a development in Rictor and Shatterstar's relationship last issue.

Speaking of X-Factor-
X-Factor #46 PREVIEW (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table)

Was just about to say, that's both shocking and NOT shocking. :lol:

[Arion]

I'm REALLY looking forward to the Doom appearance in X-Factor. Should be interesting.

More than interesting.

[Spidey616]

X-Men: Legacy #226 Preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2975&disp=table)

"Mom, I got saved by a Transformer!" Good stuff :)

[SpecialK]

THE BEGINNING: Cornell & Lowe on Dark X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21868) with pages from the Namor, Mimic, and Dark Beast stories. I think the Dark Beast pages are fantastic.

[HomerGator]

OK, the ending to that X-Factor was just... I don't buy it. Just reeks of "THIS'LL get them talking!" Put a dampner on what was otherwise a pretty good issue. The Doom scenes didn't disappoint, but the Shatterstar stuff was meh.

[Spidey616]

Fraction commentary on UXM #513

EVOLUTION REVOLUTION Part 2 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21916)

[Marcdachamp]

OK, the ending to that X-Factor was just... I don't buy it. Just reeks of "THIS'LL get them talking!" Put a dampner on what was otherwise a pretty good issue. The Doom scenes didn't disappoint, but the Shatterstar stuff was meh.

It's been a heavily alluded to thing. It wasn't completely left field.

The Doom stuff was fantastic. Really enjoyed the hell out of this issue. X-Factor is a book I enjoy in bursts. There's a few mediocre issues, one or two that are just phenomenal, then back to mediocre. Rinse, repeat. The phenomenal stuff always makes the mediocre stuff completely worth it, especially when we get an issue like #39.

[Spidey616]

Dark Avengers #7 First Look (http://comics.ign.com/articles/100/1001713p1.html)

Luke Ross isn't half bad filling in for Mike Deodato Jr. for this issue. Looks like Dark Beast gets pissed. Never spit on Norman Osborn ;)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1001713/dark-avengers-20090707025219145.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1001713/dark-avengers-20090707025216303.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1001713/dark-avengers-20090707025221831.jpg

[sharp1]

The Doom scenes didn't disappoint

I was a bit confused on the Doom scenes. Was the decrepit Doom a hallucination or something? We see him in armor on a throne. Then the gang sees him as the feeble old man in a ratty apartment. Then after Layla tells her story, he is back in armor on his throne. AND he is in his armor on his throne on the video monitor also.

Can anyone explain what the deal was with that?

That bugged me, but the issue was very good otherwise.

[artimoff]

I was a bit confused on the Doom scenes. Was the decrepit Doom a hallucination or something? We see him in armor on a throne. Then the gang sees him as the feeble old man in a ratty apartment. Then after Layla tells her story, he is back in armor on his throne. AND he is in his armor on his throne on the video monitor also.

Can anyone explain what the deal was with that?

That bugged me, but the issue was very good otherwise.

I think it was 2 different pencilers & an editor who was asleep at the wheel.

[Marcdachamp]

I was a bit confused on the Doom scenes. Was the decrepit Doom a hallucination or something? We see him in armor on a throne. Then the gang sees him as the feeble old man in a ratty apartment. Then after Layla tells her story, he is back in armor on his throne. AND he is in his armor on his throne on the video monitor also.

Can anyone explain what the deal was with that?

That bugged me, but the issue was very good otherwise.

Doom was actually the decrepit old man. When he looks regal and as we are normally used to, it's all in Doom's head.

[sharp1]

Doom was actually the decrepit old man. When he looks regal and as we are normally used to, it's all in Doom's head.

That was what I thought, and it made sense except for the video surveilance of armored doom. I can overlook it, but it is still a little distracting. I'm going with editor asleep at the wheel.

[Dr. Chaos]

Yeah, pretty much his refusal to face any sort of reality where he's not some powerful overlord.

Not just denial, full on dementia.

[HomerGator]

That was what I thought, and it made sense except for the video surveilance of armored doom. I can overlook it, but it is still a little distracting. I'm going with editor asleep at the wheel.

The no-prize explanation: Long ago, Doom created a program that makes him appear in top form to any surveillance devices, so that if he is ever in a weakened state, his enemies aren't able to recognize the opportunity to take him out.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

If the monitor is a feed using psychic means liek Cortex, the regal Doom on it makes sense...

[Spidey616]

X-POSITION: Duane Swierczynski (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21929)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/18/cable018002.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/18/CABLE0018003.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/18/CABLE0018007.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/18/CABLE0018008.jpg

[HomerGator]

Got Dark X-Men and X-Men Legacy today, and I really liked both.

Dark X-Men:
Namor: Nice deconstruction by Cornell and Kirk. Osborn thinks he has it all figured out, doesn't he? I'm thinking right about the time you think you have Namor where you want him he doesn't just upset the apple cart, he decimates the shit out of it and crushes all the apples.

Mimic: I can honestly say I haven't read a lot of Mimic stories, although I am aware of his history. James Asmus seems to have a handle on X-Men continuity, much like Mike Carey and Chris Yost. Cool story.

Dark Beast: This was the one I was really looking forward to. AOA Hank is just such a despicable bastard. I hadn't quite caught the connection between the Omega device and the fact that Osborn has Weapon Omega on his X-Men, and Weapon Omega can absorb pretty much any/all kinds of energy, IIRC. So are Osborn and McCoy using Omega's powers to siphon away the... potency?... of other mutant's powers? If so, that should come back to bite them pretty hard in the near future.

X-Men Legacy:
It was nice to see Scott let Rogue know he feels she fucked up, and isn't especially thrilled with Gambit and Danger being there, and then let all of that go to focus on the disaster at hand. Classic Cyclops: "You're an ass, but before we discuss this further, let's go beat Magneto into a coma." I really enjoyed the fight scene between Rogue and Moonstone/Ms. Marvel, especially Rogue's tactic of shooting out the glass ceiling then running through Moonstone when she went intangible. Likely learned that one in the Danger Room with Kitty. Finally, the showdown with Ares was awesome. I especially liked how Danger decided to break the contact between Rogue and Ares: a Gambit-charged manhole cover to the face.

[valentine]

I was a bit confused on the Doom scenes. Was the decrepit Doom a hallucination or something? We see him in armor on a throne. Then the gang sees him as the feeble old man in a ratty apartment. Then after Layla tells her story, he is back in armor on his throne. AND he is in his armor on his throne on the video monitor also.

Can anyone explain what the deal was with that?

That bugged me, but the issue was very good otherwise.

Sorry if that scene was confusing, I'll take the hit for that one as those pages were visually my responsibility.

But glad you're enjoying the book despite my mistake.
~Valentine

[HomerGator]

Sorry if that scene was confusing, I'll take the hit for that one as those pages were visually my responsibility.

But glad you're enjoying the book despite my mistake.
~Valentine

The book is awesome, month in and month out.

[Spidey616]

Exclusive Marvel Preview: New Mutants #3 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=29284)

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

What is the reasoning/motivation behind Danger becoming a good 'bot and teaming with Rogue and Gambit?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

What is the reasoning/motivation behind Danger becoming a good 'bot and teaming with Rogue and Gambit?

Only Carey is allowed to have a character grow and change, while regressing others' work in that area (*cough*Juggernaut*cough*) void simply because he can?

[Omega Flight]

Only Carey is allowed to have a character grow and change, while regressing others' work in that area (*cough*Juggernaut*cough*) void simply because he can?

Actually Carey wasn't the one who turned Juggernaut back into a villain. That was Chris Gage's handiwork back in the World War Hulk: X-Men mini. Even so I enjoy Juggernaut more as a villain anyway.

[MabusRex]

Only Carey is allowed to have a character grow and change, while regressing others' work in that area (*cough*Juggernaut*cough*) void simply because he can?


Don't get me started. I've only just started reading Legacy after that issue. Still ticks me off. :no:

[valentine]

The book is awesome, month in and month out.

Not for nothing, Peter David is writing one of the best characterizations of Dr. Doom that I've ever read.

You're in for some good reading in the next few issues for sure.

[Arion]

Not for nothing, Peter David is writing one of the best characterizations of Dr. Doom that I've ever read.

You're in for some good reading in the next few issues for sure.

Peter David has never let me down so far.

[HomerGator]

Not for nothing, Peter David is writing one of the best characterizations of Dr. Doom that I've ever read.

You're in for some good reading in the next few issues for sure.

One thing I've noticed over the years: Peter David writes one of the best chracterizations of pretty much everyone.

[Spidey616]

Speaking of X-Factor, preview of next week's issue-

X-Factor #46 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3025&disp=table)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Actually Carey wasn't the one who turned Juggernaut back into a villain. That was Chris Gage's handiwork back in the World War Hulk: X-Men mini. Even so I enjoy Juggernaut more as a villain anyway.

It's been a running thread that Cain was missing the full power he once had and the temptations involved. It was Carey that had Cain acting as if it was no big going back to e-e-e-e-evil...

[artimoff]

X-Men Forever #3 was really great. Claremont has wanted Kitty to have Wolverine's claws for a long time. (Remember, she had one of his bone claws back in X-Men 100. She had short hair back then too.) I'm really looking forward to the return of Paul Smith to the X-Men.

[HomerGator]

It's been a running thread that Cain was missing the full power he once had and the temptations involved. It was Carey that had Cain acting as if it was no big going back to e-e-e-e-evil...

Gage had him acknowledge the fact that he wasn't being all he could be because he was denying his true nature (to the demon Cyttorak in side the gem). By accepting his true nature- a human Juggernaut that lives to destroy- he regained his full power.

Carey wrote the story where Cain and Charles had a bit of a 'chat'. I really liked this story, and the turn back to villain for Cain, as I hated every. single. thing. Chuck Austen did during his time on the X-books. Taking one of the X-Men's greatest villains and making him a replacement for Colossus? Didn't we see that with Sabretooth in the 90's? It sucked both times.

[Marcdachamp]

Juggie was never evil, he was a thug. I loved that Austin actually fleshed him out. If I ever write X-Men, making Cain good again would be a high priority.

[artimoff]

Juggie was never evil, he was a thug. I loved that Austin actually fleshed him out. If I ever write X-Men, making Cain good again would be a high priority.

I hate to say anything good about Austen, but his portrail of Juggy was what kept me comming back to the title.

[HomerGator]

Juggie was never evil, he was a thug. I loved that Austin actually fleshed him out. If I ever write X-Men, making Cain good again would be a high priority.

No offense, Marc, but I hope you never get to write X-Men. :D

[Marcdachamp]

No offense, Marc, but I hope you never get to write X-Men. :D

:lol: None taken?

[MabusRex]

No offense, Marc, but I hope you never get to write X-Men. :D

My question to you is that now that he's a villain, just what have they done with the character? Not much at all, if you ask me.

I guess we'll find out when he appears in Incredible Hulk 602.

But my solution to this was always rather simple. Leave Cain as the one seeking redemption and have Cytorrak choose a new avatar for the full power villain approach. A.) You could still have a Juggernaut that would plow through most heroes he came upon and B.) Cain would now have a nemesis while staying the anti-hero route. Win-win.

[Omega Flight]

My question to you is that now that he's a villain, just what have they done with the character? Not much at all, if you ask me.

I guess we'll find out when he appears in Incredible Hulk 602.

And Amazing Spider-Man!!!

[HomerGator]

And Amazing Spider-Man!!!

Damn skippy. Roger Stern!

[HomerGator]

My question to you is that now that he's a villain, just what have they done with the character? Not much at all, if you ask me.

I guess we'll find out when he appears in Incredible Hulk 602.

But my solution to this was always rather simple. Leave Cain as the one seeking redemption and have Cytorrak choose a new avatar for the full power villain approach. A.) You could still have a Juggernaut that would plow through most heroes he came upon and B.) Cain would now have a nemesis while staying the anti-hero route. Win-win.

They haven't done much with the character since they made him a "villain" again. But Cain's not strictly a 'villain', really. He thinks of himself as a good guy that will do bad things if he feels he has to.

I never understood why the X-Men were so stupid during the Austen/Milligan years. Hadn't they JUST been infiltrated by Xorneto? No sooner does that happen then they accept the Juggernaut and Mystique as members? Seriously, how retarded are the X-Men? And then they're suprised when Juggernaut dips and Mystique betrays them? That's like being suprised a Sentinel attacked them rather than picking flowers.

[HomerGator]

astonishingly uncanny x-bump

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Mike Carey (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22021) talks X-Men: Legacy.

[Howlett]

They haven't done much with the character since they made him a "villain" again. But Cain's not strictly a 'villain', really. He thinks of himself as a good guy that will do bad things if he feels he has to.

I never understood why the X-Men were so stupid during the Austen/Milligan years. Hadn't they JUST been infiltrated by Xorneto? No sooner does that happen then they accept the Juggernaut and Mystique as members? Seriously, how retarded are the X-Men? And then they're suprised when Juggernaut dips and Mystique betrays them? That's like being suprised a Sentinel attacked them rather than picking flowers.

Juggernaut was an X-Man long before Xorn was outted. As for Mystique, she only had restricted access, and was watched like a hawk by everyone. "Better to know where she was and what she was doing than to have her out and about doing god knows what", or something along those lines.

[Arion]

Speaking of X-Factor, preview of next week's issue-

X-Factor #46 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3025&disp=table)

I want to see what happens between Rictor and Shatterstar.

[Marcdachamp]

I want to see what happens between Rictor and Shatterstar.

You'll have to wait another month. They get literally one panel this issue.

[HomerGator]

Juggernaut was an X-Man long before Xorn was outted. As for Mystique, she only had restricted access, and was watched like a hawk by everyone. "Better to know where she was and what she was doing than to have her out and about doing god knows what", or something along those lines.

Maybe like blind hawks. She still betrayed the shit out of them, and it didn't seem like they saw it coming.

I dunno, you'd think after trying to rehabilitate so many villains as X-Men, they'd have figured out by now that it's not worth the hassle.

[Spidey616]

Exclusive Marvel Preview - DARK WOLVERINE #76 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=29433)

[Arion]

You'll have to wait another month. They get literally one panel this issue.

Oh well, I've been waiting for this to happen since the 90s. One more month won't make a difference.

[Spidey616]

Marvel Exclusive Preview: X-Force #17 (http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124774504867916.htm)

[marco19]

NEW DARK x-men limited series to begin this October Written by Paul Cornell and Artwork by Lenard KIRK, we will probably get all the details next week at comiccon

http://forum.superpouvoir.com/showthread.php?p=301906#post301906

[Spidey616]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22080

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xfactor/xpos/XFACTOR050_cov.jpg

[leviathan]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22080

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xfactor/xpos/XFACTOR050_cov.jpg

So I'm guessing, based on the cover, Rictor and Shatterstar are officially together then?

Cool. I'm glad somebody finally had the guts to go through with this storyline.

[Foggy's Pal]

When is Astonishing X-Men returning with issue #31? And...is Jimenez on art?

[Fake Pat]

When is Astonishing X-Men returning with issue #31? And...is Jimenez on art?

October, and yes.

[Marcdachamp]

If you'd told me a few years back that I'd read a book featuring that cast for 50 issues, I'd call you a damn liar. Way to prove me wrong PAD.

[Spidey616]

Esad Ribic cover for Wolverine-The List

FANTOMEX!
MARVEL BOY!
:rock:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1005226/sneak-peek-at-marvels-dark-reign-cosmic-titles-20090717054357244.jpg

[Foggy's Pal]

October, and yes.

Thanks as usual Patrick!

[Fake Pat]

Thanks as usual Patrick!

:thumb:

[Fake Pat]

Esad Ribic cover for Wolverine-The List

FANTOMEX!
MARVEL BOY!
:rock:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/100/1005226/sneak-peek-at-marvels-dark-reign-cosmic-titles-20090717054357244.jpg

Fah. King. Sweeeeet.

[Arion]

Fah. King. Sweeeeet.

Yes, looks awesome.

[WhindamPryce]

Loving the X-books right now, from UXM to OML to X-Factor and X-Force. Strong stuff across the board.

And that Ribic cover is FANTASTIC!!! He needs to do more covers or interiors or even just doodles haha.. can't get enough of his stuff!

[Arion]

Ribic is a very good artist. I loved it when he was drawing Wolverine covers back in 2003? 2004?

[WhindamPryce]

Ribic is a very good artist. I loved it when he was drawing Wolverine covers back in 2003? 2004?

Yeah the tail end of Tieri's run. Don't remember if he did any of Rucka's. And of course there was House of M :rock:

[HomerGator]

The hell with his covers. Read the LOKI miniseries he drew. Best comic art I've ever seen.

[Spidey616]

Advance X-Solicitations, October 2009 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22104)

Quite a few are classified until the SDCC it seems. Can't wait.

[Spidey616]

Looks like Luke Ross is also drawing the second Dark Avengers Utopia tie-in issue with issue #8.

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/1556new_storyimage7866118_full.jpg

[Blake Sims]

Fantomex? Sweet.

[Arion]

Yeah the tail end of Tieri's run. Don't remember if he did any of Rucka's. And of course there was House of M :rock:

Yes, the first 6 or 7 covers.
And I've always wanted to buy the Loki mini.

[Marcdachamp]

Love that cover with Fantomex. He was awesome in New X-Men.

[Spidey616]

Dark Wolverine 50's Variant :lol:

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[marco19]

so it looks like one of the big san diego x-men announcements is some type of x-force new mutants crossover called NECROSHA, perhaps dealing with genosha

[Foggy's Pal]

so it looks like one of the big san diego x-men announcements is some type of x-force new mutants crossover called NECROSHA, perhaps dealing with genosha

Any idea about Legacy and Uncanny; both of these solicits say to be announced as well.

[Fake Pat]

so it looks like one of the big san diego x-men announcements is some type of x-force new mutants crossover called NECROSHA, perhaps dealing with genosha

Even MORE zombies?

[SpecialK]

so it looks like one of the big san diego x-men announcements is some type of x-force new mutants crossover called NECROSHA, perhaps dealing with genosha

Why can't X-Force stop crossing over with things? It was so good when it was on its own.

[SpecialK]

Chris Yost: An X-Forced Confession (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070922-XFORCEYost.html) from Newsarama. The writer talks about upcoming stories in X-Force, as well as Dark Avengers/X-Men: The Confession.

[Spidey616]

Chris Yost: An X-Forced Confession (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070922-XFORCEYost.html) from Newsarama. The writer talks about upcoming stories in X-Force, as well as Dark Avengers/X-Men: The Confession.

Looks like Leper Queen story did indeed resolve. Leper Queen bites the dust.

Also yesterday X-POSITION: Zeb Wells (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22143)

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[SpecialK]

Kyle, Yost, Carey, and Wells Talk "Necrosha" (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196), the upcoming crossover between X-Force, X-Men Legacy, and New Mutants.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Looks like Leper Queen story did indeed resolve. Leper Queen bites the dust.

Also yesterday X-POSITION: Zeb Wells (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22143)

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Wasn't this for the best? The character wasn't exactly interesting in their other appearances and the small amount gotten in X-Force would have only had so much mileage. Better to know when it's time to retire a character...

[MabusRex]

Wasn't this for the best? The character wasn't exactly interesting in their other appearances and the small amount gotten in X-Force would have only had so much mileage. Better to know when it's time to retire a character...

Are you referring to Sunspot?

If so, my thinking is that they're going to use this to hint that Roberto turns into energy when he powers up, thus kinda negating physical harm? It's kinda hinted at in the interview.

[Marcdachamp]

Are you referring to Sunspot?

If so, my thinking is that they're going to use this to hint that Roberto turns into energy when he powers up, thus kinda negating physical harm? It's kinda hinted at in the interview.

I think he meant Leper Queen.

[MabusRex]

I think he meant Leper Queen.

Wow. Yeah, that's pretty freakin' obvious now. Ignore me, then. ;)

[Spidey616]

No posts yet on the next MAJOR story after Utopia.

NATION X !


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[Arion]

Kyle, Yost, Carey, and Wells Talk "Necrosha" (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196), the upcoming crossover between X-Force, X-Men Legacy, and New Mutants.

Is Necrosha the real name?

[RoShambo]

No posts yet on the next MAJOR story after Utopia.

NATION X !


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Wait?!?
Cable/Stryfe is becoming Magneto?? :eek:

[Omega Flight]

Is Necrosha the real name?

Yes it is.

[moecah]

So what do people think Nation X is gonna be?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

San Francisco tries to secede and become like Vatican City?

[HomerGator]

I'm pretty sure Fraction said it was a Cyclops-centric story...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'm finding I'm a bigger fan of Fraction's character moments rather than his stories. With less of them I'd have dropped Uncanny by now. He did get points for remembering Dazzler's a lawyer though...

[HomerGator]

Dark X-Men 2 was good. I really liked the Weapon Omega story.

[Spidey616]

Can't wait for the Mystique story by Jason Aaron and Jock next issue

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[The Roman]

Mystique-Spidey, awesome. :lol:

[artimoff]

Uggh! I can't stand Jock on a mainstream title.

[Zac Goyette]

Dark X-Men 2 was good. I really liked the Weapon Omega story.

I thought the Daken story was pretty good.

[Zac Goyette]

You know what I find irritating right now? The people that are claiming that Necrosha is a rip off of Blackest Night. The seeds for Necrosha were planted pretty much with the launch of X-Force. I know Johns has been planning Blackest Night for years, but I doubt that he was talking about it to Chris Yost, Craig Kyle, Mike Carey, and Nick Lowe. I am looking forward to Necrosha. I think it will be good. I am also enjoying Blackest Night. I haven't been this excited about a DC title in a long time.

[HOOKS]

You know what I find irritating right now? The people that are claiming that Necrosha is a rip off of Blackest Night. The seeds for Necrosha were planted pretty much with the launch of X-Force. I know Johns has been planning Blackest Night for years, but I doubt that he was talking about it to Chris Yost, Craig Kyle, Mike Carey, and Nick Lowe. I am looking forward to Necrosha. I think it will be good. I am also enjoying Blackest Night. I haven't been this excited about a DC title in a long time.

Agreed. Except the seeds were planted even before X-FORCE, back in NEW X-MEN #32. Which was about three years ago.

[Zac Goyette]

Agreed. Except the seeds were planted even before X-FORCE, back in NEW X-MEN #32. Which was about three years ago.

Even more so then. Read the Newsarama boards and you would think DC invented the idea of bring back "zombiefied characters", and that Marvel is blatantly ripping them off.

[HOOKS]

Even more so then. Read the Newsarama boards and you would think DC invented the idea of bring back "zombiefied characters", and that Marvel is blatantly ripping them off.

And they never heard of Marvel Zombies? :lol:

[Zac Goyette]

And they never heard of Marvel Zombies? :lol:

Exactly, and I'm sure both companies have done something like this before at some point in their histories.

[Omega Flight]

And they never heard of Marvel Zombies? :lol:

The problem is Blackest Night is different from Marvel Zombies. :roll: Necrosha just at a glance is very close to Blackest Night in concept. With the whole revival of dead heroes and villains sort of thing.

[Omega Flight]

Agreed. Except the seeds were planted even before X-FORCE, back in NEW X-MEN #32. Which was about three years ago.

And Johns has been planting the seeds for Blackest Night since Green Lantern: Rebirth nearly 5 years ago. It hardly matters who came up with it first cause if they were planning this a long time I highly doubt they were both thinking "let's rip off the other guy".

[Magnum V.I.]

The problem is Blackest Night is different from Marvel Zombies. :roll: Necrosha just at a glance is very close to Blackest Night in concept. With the whole revival of dead heroes and villains sort of thing.

And Johns has been planting the seeds for Blackest Night since Green Lantern: Rebirth nearly 5 years ago.

Oh come on!

Don't turn this into another DC versus Marvel thing. Let the stories stand on their own.

[Omega Flight]

Oh come on!

Don't turn this into another DC versus Marvel thing. Let the stories stand on their own.

I'm not. I was supportive on both stories and I don't believe either set of writers plagiarized. I am going to read both stories though I am leaning more towards Blackest Night but that's just cause Johns is one of my favorite writers. ;)

[Magnum V.I.]

I'm not. I was supportive on both stories and I don't believe either set of writers plagiarized. I am going to read both stories though I am leaning more towards Blackest Night but that's just cause Johns is one of my favorite writers. ;)

:mistrust: How can you lead towards Blackest Night when it's not finished, and Necrosha hasn't started?

[Omega Flight]

:mistrust: How can you lead towards Blackest Night when it's not finished, and Necrosha hasn't started?

I've read the build-up to Blackest Night and have enjoyed it more than the leadup to Necrosha. It's a simple idea.

[Zac Goyette]

I'm not. I was supportive on both stories and I don't believe either set of writers plagiarized. I am going to read both stories though I am leaning more towards Blackest Night but that's just cause Johns is one of my favorite writers. ;)

That was my point. I think it is ironic that these stories are releasing so close to each other, but I think each story was conceived on its own. My earlier statements were based off of things that I have been reading elsewhere. One of the first things I read was that Johns and DC should sue Marvel. I think it is completely ridiculous and see no reason that each story can't be enjoyed by whoever wants to enjoy them without turning it into a Marvel v. DC and who is ripping off who. Blackest Night #1 was fantastic. I am also looking forward to Necrosha. There is room to support both.

[Omega Flight]

I do too. Just as ridiculous as the way Newsarama writes about Blackest Night. But y'know not everyone gets what they want.

[Zac Goyette]

I do too. Just as ridiculous as the way Newsarama writes about Blackest Night. But y'know not everyone gets what they want.

Newsarama is where I picked up most of the shit about Marvel ripping off Blackest Night with Necrosha. I broke my rule and read posts, and I'm fucking pissed at myself for it. That ignorance and blindly posting about something without reading anything more than the headline and intro was the reason I stopped posting there in the first place.

[Omega Flight]

Newsarama is where I picked up most of the shit about Marvel ripping off Blackest Night with Necrosha. I broke my rule and read posts, and I'm fucking pissed at myself for it. That ignorance and blindly posting about something without reading anything more than the headline and intro was the reason I stopped posting there in the first place.
Yeah I can't stand reading Newsarama posts either. It's like the worst of the comic book geeks with anger issues gathered. :-?

[Spidey616]

Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3142&disp=table)

WOW! Some great stuff to look forward to.

X23 and Wolverine vs. Daken
Archangel vs Bullseye.
:D

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[Cardinal Braxiatel]

You know what I find irritating right now? The people that are claiming that Necrosha is a rip off of Blackest Night. The seeds for Necrosha were planted pretty much with the launch of X-Force. I know Johns has been planning Blackest Night for years, but I doubt that he was talking about it to Chris Yost, Craig Kyle, Mike Carey, and Nick Lowe. I am looking forward to Necrosha. I think it will be good. I am also enjoying Blackest Night. I haven't been this excited about a DC title in a long time.

Another difference between the two is that beyond the Free Comic Book Day Blackest Night, I'm not interested in Blackest Night. I won't be picking up even a single tie in but Necrosha? I don't like Rogue as a main character and Carey's writing in general but I will read the Necrosha tie in...

[HomerGator]

Another difference between the two is that beyond the Free Comic Book Day Blackest Night, I'm not interested in Blackest Night. I won't be picking up even a single tie in but Necrosha? I don't like Rogue as a main character and Carey's writing in general but I will read the Necrosha tie in...

Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me just how much we disagree on.

[joeAR]

Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3142&disp=table)

WOW! Some great stuff to look forward to.

X23 and Wolverine vs. Daken
Archangel vs Bullseye.
:D

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I want that issue in my hands now

[WhindamPryce]

Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3142&disp=table)

WOW! Some great stuff to look forward to.

X23 and Wolverine vs. Daken
Archangel vs Bullseye.
:D

http://comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/3142/prv3142_pg1.jpg

http://comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/3142/prv3142_pg2.jpg

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!

But does Emma have an arrow through her WHILE she's in diamond form? Or is that someone else?

[SpecialK]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!

But does Emma have an arrow through her WHILE she's in diamond form? Or is that someone else?

I think that's Mercury?

[MabusRex]

I think that's Mercury?

Or maybe even Husk...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

If it's Husk then it's a shame that it's in her arm rather than her heart...

[Arion]

Yeah I can't stand reading Newsarama posts either. It's like the worst of the comic book geeks with anger issues gathered. :-?

I've run into some real assholes there. Maybe it is that there are so few 'Rama posters that they act the way the do. I should know. I've been Newsarama's top poster for months now.

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Craig Kyle & Chris Yost (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22418) answer questions about X-Force, as well as any comparison between Necrosha and Blackest Night.

EDIT: Also included, beautiful Choi/Oback artwork.

[WinstonWolf]

I have two questions:


# What happened to Dragonfly in the latest Legacy issue? Is she still alive?

#Does Aurora still have her powers? If so, how come they didn't ask HER along with Northstar to be an X-Man. Also, what happened to Skids?

[SpecialK]

Uncanny X-Men 514 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3155&disp=table) from CBR

[Arion]

Newsarama is where I picked up most of the shit about Marvel ripping off Blackest Night with Necrosha. I broke my rule and read posts, and I'm fucking pissed at myself for it. That ignorance and blindly posting about something without reading anything more than the headline and intro was the reason I stopped posting there in the first place.

Newsarama wasn't so bad a few years ago. Now it's terrible.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Aurora has a history of major instabilities and power set changes plus Northstar has been a full member of the team in the past. I can see having her hang out at the base and maybe tag along but if you're looking for someone steady to fill a role, her brother's the go to guy. Plus, we'd never get the scene of he and Iceman laughing at Northstar's misguided crush that I'd like to see if Aurora had been tagged to fill the spot...

[WinstonWolf]

Aurora has a history of major instabilities and power set changes plus Northstar has been a full member of the team in the past. I can see having her hang out at the base and maybe tag along but if you're looking for someone steady to fill a role, her brother's the go to guy. Plus, we'd never get the scene of he and Iceman laughing at Northstar's misguided crush that I'd like to see if Aurora had been tagged to fill the spot...


Yeah, but Wolvie asking Northstar RIGHT in front of Aurora without asking her feels kind of crappy.

[Howlett]

Yeah, but Wolvie asking Northstar RIGHT in front of Aurora without asking her feels kind of crappy.

Wolverine is a prick.

This isn't news to anyone.

[Arion]

Wolverine is a prick.

This isn't news to anyone.

He is a great guy when he's drunk. That's a fact.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Yeah, but Wolvie asking Northstar RIGHT in front of Aurora without asking her feels kind of crappy.

That never occurred to me! That just adds a level of hilarity to that scene...

[Spidey616]

Some great X announcements at WWChicago including a new SWORD series, a Dark X-Men mini by Paul Cornell, Mr.X/Wolverine ones-shot, and the the possible return of X-Man!

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[SpecialK]

Some great X announcements at WWChicago including a new SWORD series, a Dark X-Men mini by Paul Cornell, Mr.X/Wolverine ones-shot, and the the possible return of X-Man!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/cons/wwc2009/xmen/DARKXM001COV_col.jpg

I'm guessing the whited-out characters areMystique and Michael Pointer

[Zac Goyette]

That Sword series looks interesting. Not entirely sure about the Dark X-Men mini.

[HOOKS]

That Sword series looks interesting. Not entirely sure about the Dark X-Men mini.

It's by the entire creative team of CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13.

It's going to be outstanding.

[John Drake]

Mimic should be wearing the Cyclops visor!

[HomerGator]

It's by the entire creative team of CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13.

It's going to be outstanding.

Damn skippy. I'm still so bummed about Captain Britain being cancelled...

[Matthew Brown]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22476

Wow. X-Man is one of my favorite characters, and now Cornell and Kirk are bringing him back.

[Evan the Shaggy]

So fucking psyched for Nate Grey coming back.