The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Sebastian Shaw was killed off-panel too wasn't he?

Sebastian was semi-killed on panel but there was no body and they basically showed a building collapsing on him. I remember at the time not believing he was dead. Even Doctor Doom has had more convincing death scenes.

Ooh! Shinobi would be a great love interest for Northstar!

[Vonn Hennigar]

Iceman is lame! Otherwise every few years they wouldn't try upping his power levels or using them in a creative way for a change. Then the essential lameness creeps back in and he's at the same old, same old again. The only hope for Bobby Drake is a committment to making his characterization more interesting. I'm sorry but being clueless about Northstar's feelings or going after Lorna again don't count. They should pick another X-character male or female (at this point I don't care which) and pair him off a la Gambit and Rogue. My first choice would be Frenzy.

And Havok and Polaris? Ugh. Anyone else watch soaps? After too many breakups between characters something is just broken and that's how it feels with those two. Especially after the aborted wedding, I cannot buy those two as a couple. They should both be paired off with others and a committment made there too to make it work. Maybe a resurrected Madekine Pryor for him and some flatscan for her. That'd have built in pathos for her. Her new powers are slightly out of control and imagine what they'd do to a human lover. He wouldn't have the super constitution of a mutant and the iron in his blood would be affected by being around her. "I love you but my powers will kill you..."

I agree about Iceman to a degree, i'm still a bit disappointed Joss Whedon didn't include him or Angel on the Astonishing X-Men team just to give these 2 classic characters the kick in the ass they need.

As for Havok and Polaris i don't think ANYONE can disagree that they're finished and should be seperated for good at this point. I only hope they don't have to sacrifice one of them ala Gambit/Rogue to do the job.

Gambit and Rogue NEEDED to be split up, but Gambit as Death? Meh and the way they actually did it? Terrible.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Gambit was a mistake character from the beginning. My five most hated X-Men are Cable, Colossus, and Gambit. I hate Gambit so much he counts as three on my list!

[Vonn Hennigar]

Gambits accent can be annoying and even my eyes glaze over every time the Thieve/Murderers Guild is brought up but i still think Gambit is a cool character.

Yes he was designed to be cool and mysterious unlike all those other characters that are created to what Suck and disappear after a couple years?

Looking back he was a MUCH better X-Man than say Longshot who he sort of replaced.

Now bad X-Men? Maggott,New Thunderbird,Stacy X???

People BARELY remember these guys already, imagine in 10 years?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I loved Maggot! Thunderbird was crushed to death by Claremont's word balloons and Stacey X was from the period I was out of comics (but I did dislike her when I'd read the odd issue at the WaldenBooks I worked at). For me to truly hate a character they need to have a little staying power. T-Bird and Hooker X didn't have that at all.

[bairdduvessa]

Iceman is lame! Otherwise every few years they wouldn't try upping his power levels or using them in a creative way for a change. Then the essential lameness creeps back in and he's at the same old, same old again. The only hope for Bobby Drake is a committment to making his characterization more interesting. I'm sorry but being clueless about Northstar's feelings or going after Lorna again don't count. They should pick another X-character male or female (at this point I don't care which) and pair him off a la Gambit and Rogue. My first choice would be Frenzy.

And Havok and Polaris? Ugh. Anyone else watch soaps? After too many breakups between characters something is just broken and that's how it feels with those two. Especially after the aborted wedding, I cannot buy those two as a couple. They should both be paired off with others and a committment made there too to make it work. Maybe a resurrected Madekine Pryor for him and some flatscan for her. That'd have built in pathos for her. Her new powers are slightly out of control and imagine what they'd do to a human lover. He wouldn't have the super constitution of a mutant and the iron in his blood would be affected by being around her. "I love you but my powers will kill you..."
i've always liked iceman. but yea polaris and havok need to stop remembering the sex, and focus on how much they suck together (not during sex...)
You know who we really need to see again?

Donald Pierce and The Reavers!!!

Fuck all these lame-ass villains of the last half-decade.

Marvel under Joe Q has really neutered their villains (If they even bother using the at all! Wave hello to the kids JMS!!).

we had them recently donald pierce was called ultimate deadpool
(grrr)

i think if they updated what the reavers looked like i could be game. But i think ultimately they were replaced with the prime sentinals

[bairdduvessa]

Gambit was a mistake character from the beginning. My five most hated X-Men are Cable, Colossus, and Gambit. I hate Gambit so much he counts as three on my list!
gambit was the shit!
Gambits accent can be annoying and even my eyes glaze over every time the Thieve/Murderers Guild is brought up but i still think Gambit is a cool character.

Yes he was designed to be cool and mysterious unlike all those other characters that are created to what Suck and disappear after a couple years?

Looking back he was a MUCH better X-Man than say Longshot who he sort of replaced.

Now bad X-Men? Maggott,New Thunderbird,Stacy X???

People BARELY remember these guys already, imagine in 10 years?
i liked stacy x:surrend:
the rest sucked

especialy maggot (sorry rabbitt)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

gambit was the shit!

i liked stacy x:surrend:
the rest sucked

especialy maggot (sorry rabbitt)

:mad:

[Vonn Hennigar]

i've always liked iceman. but yea polaris and havok need to stop remembering the sex, and focus on how much they suck together (not during sex...)


we had them recently donald pierce was called ultimate deadpool
(grrr)

i think if they updated what the reavers looked like i could be game. But i think ultimately they were replaced with the prime sentinals

I remember a Fun as fuck arc in Punisher way back in the day where Micro accidently broke into Pierce's computer and Pierce sent the Reavers to go kill him and duh ran into the Punisher!

I think i'm going to bust those 2 issues out tonight for a re-read.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Elsie Dee and Albert?

Yay Or Nay?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/LCDRO.JPG

I've got a soft spot for em because the Larry Hama/Marc Silvestri run was when i truly started to love Wolverine. I wasn't a fan of the Madripoor Patch days of Wolverine at all to the point i stopped collecting it for awhile.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I also have a soft spot for the duo, though I'm not sure why.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

How cool is it that Storm is the third X-Man to escape the mutant ghetto? First there was the Beast then Wolverine and now her. I'd still like to see a little more love shown in Black Panther between Storm and her only family for years but other than that it's perfect. I'm thinking maybe every Marvel team should get an X-Man now. Let Bendis have Gambit for New Avengers and Polaris for Mighty (Cho would love the classic green costume), have Shadowcat in F4 as Reed's lab assistant, and I'm sure there's loads more to go around after that!




















Can anyone tell I'm bored tonight?

[bairdduvessa]

I remember a Fun as fuck arc in Punisher way back in the day where Micro accidently broke into Pierce's computer and Pierce sent the Reavers to go kill him and duh ran into the Punisher!

I think i'm going to bust those 2 issues out tonight for a re-read.
the reavers took on the punisher? i must find these! (i was wondering why one of them wore a punisher t-shirt)
Elsie Dee and Albert?

Yay Or Nay?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/LCDRO.JPG

I've got a soft spot for em because the Larry Hama/Marc Silvestri run was when i truly started to love Wolverine. I wasn't a fan of the Madripoor Patch days of Wolverine at all to the point i stopped collecting it for awhile.

nay. oh fuck, nay.

[Vonn Hennigar]

the reavers took on the punisher? i must find these! (i was wondering why one of them wore a punisher t-shirt)


nay. oh fuck, nay.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/65894733778.33.GIF

:rock:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

There's never been any low enough to stop the Punisher's creative teams, has there?

[bairdduvessa]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/65894733778.33.GIF

:rock:

looks fun

[Vonn Hennigar]

There's never been any low enough to stop the Punisher's creative teams, has there?

He's part of The Marvel U, he has to run into some of these guys from time to time and this story handled it very well. Micro's being an idiot and Frank has to bail him out.

If only Micro knew a Shotgun Blast to the face is what was waiting for him at the end of their partnership :(

[Vonn Hennigar]

How cool is it that Storm is the third X-Man to escape the mutant ghetto? First there was the Beast then Wolverine and now her. I'd still like to see a little more love shown in Black Panther between Storm and her only family for years but other than that it's perfect. I'm thinking maybe every Marvel team should get an X-Man now. Let Bendis have Gambit for New Avengers and Polaris for Mighty (Cho would love the classic green costume), have Shadowcat in F4 as Reed's lab assistant, and I'm sure there's loads more to go around after that!
Can anyone tell I'm bored tonight?

During the X-Men's Hiatus from 1970-1975 most of the characters got some decent screen time. Beast obviously the most, but Angel joining the Champions and Iceman popped around a bit. I just read an issue of Amazing Spider-Man where Peter grabs Gwen Stacy and goes web-swinging and Iceman comes to her rescue.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

anti-heroes as anti as Frank Castle have never been my cup of tea. 'Course, I remember when Frank thought a prancing nancy boy in a skin tight goblin costume was a good guy so maybe that's it.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Can we seriously count the Champions as being an example of the guys making it out of the mutant ghetto? The book barely lasted, wasn't created out of creative reasons, and was set on the opposite coast as every other book at the time. Meh. Only early Byrne made it noteworthy but I'll take Rog 2000 or Doomsday Plus One over it any day.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

[QUOTE=Vonn Hennigar;2806583]...but Angel joining the Champions and Iceman popped around a bit...QUOTE]

You have proven Iceman's lameness. They BOTH were in the Champions yet your subconcious makes you not type that in your post because it is trying to tell you how lame he is!

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
lame1 /leɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[leym] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, lam·er, lam·est, verb, lamed, lam·ing, noun
–adjective 1. crippled or physically disabled, esp. in the foot or leg so as to limp or walk with difficulty.
2. impaired or disabled through defect or injury: a lame arm.
3. weak; inadequate; unsatisfactory; clumsy: a lame excuse.
4. Slang. out of touch with modern fads or trends; unsophisticated.
–verb (used with object) 5. to make lame or defective.
–noun 6. Slang. a person who is out of touch with modern fads or trends, esp. one who is unsophisticated. 7. noun. a character in the X-Men family of books who has never been used to his full potential

[Origin: bef. 900; ME (adj. and v.); OE lama (adj.); c. D lam, G lahm, ON lami; akin to Lith lúomas]

—Related forms
lamely, adverb
lameness, noun

[The Jack Rabbitt]

During the X-Men's Hiatus from 1970-1975 most of the characters got some decent screen time. Beast obviously the most, but Angel joining the Champions and Iceman popped around a bit. I just read an issue of Amazing Spider-Man where Peter grabs Gwen Stacy and goes web-swinging and Iceman comes to her rescue.

Lets not forget that Iceman was one of Spider-Man's Amazing Friends. :-)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Can we seriously count the Champions as being an example of the guys making it out of the mutant ghetto? The book barely lasted, wasn't created out of creative reasons, and was set on the opposite coast as every other book at the time. Meh. Only early Byrne made it noteworthy but I'll take Rog 2000 or Doomsday Plus One over it any day.

Yes, we can count the Champions (whose roster contained Iceman as well as Angel).

Also, in addition to Beast, both Iceman and Angel were members of the (New) Defenders.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Can we seriously count the Champions as being an example of the guys making it out of the mutant ghetto? The book barely lasted, wasn't created out of creative reasons, and was set on the opposite coast as every other book at the time. Meh. Only early Byrne made it noteworthy but I'll take Rog 2000 or Doomsday Plus One over it any day.

You mean being created over a lunch break because the big wigs wanted another bunch of books on the shelf too sweet isn't the A-List?

Champions,Inhumans,Black Goliath and a couple more were all rushed out over that one famous lunch.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I did like that Inhumans series and one of its characters that has never appeared ever again is to this day my favorite Inhuman: Iridia. She doesn't even get a WIkipedia entry! What was cool about her was that she was this hag and begged to be exposed to the Terrigin mists and at first she was thought to have become this blob thing until it broke open and she was this beautiful butterfly woman. What was cool about here was that she thought appearance was everything and made all the difference because in the life that she had led, this was true!

[Vonn Hennigar]

I did like that Inhumans series and one of its characters that has never appeared ever again is to this day my favorite Inhuman: Iridia. She doesn't even get a WIkipedia entry! What was cool about her was that she was this hag and begged to be exposed to the Terrigin mists and at first she was thought to have become this blob thing until it broke open and she was this beautiful butterfly woman. What was cool about here was that she thought appearance was everything and made all the difference because in the life that she had led, this was true!

Reminds me of Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee's brilliant Mini-series in which that group of Inhuman youths are all friends until they're exposed to the Terrigen Mists and one is transformed into a Flyer the highest level of Inhuman and shuns the rest because she is now above them in station.

Or Marvel Knights 4 where an Inhuman and shit i forgot their names the mindless ones underground fell in love and ran away to Earth. At least i think that's what happened i've read so much the past couple of years it's hard to keep track of all the lil details.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Jenkins' Inhumans happened during My Time Away and to be honest, after the total shit that Front Line and The Return, not to mention Miracle Man II (Sorry, Sentry), turned out to be, I'm not sure I want to spend money on any trade of his work.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Jenkins' Inhumans happened during My Time Away and to be honest, after the total shit that Front Line and The Return, not to mention Miracle Man II (Sorry, Sentry), turned out to be, I'm not sure I want to spend money on any trade of his work.

His Inhumans was really quite good. I highly recommend it.

[bairdduvessa]

i'm going to bed

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i'm going to bed

Night, dude. I'm heading off soon, too.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

So much for me hitting 500 tonight...

[bairdduvessa]

So much for me hitting 500 tonight...

sorry dude

[Todd, The]

As for Havok and Polaris i don't think ANYONE can disagree that they're finished and should be seperated for good at this point. I only hope they don't have to sacrifice one of them ala Gambit/Rogue to do the job.


Oooh, oooh, I can.

Alex and Lorna are not in a relationship currently. In Brubaker's Uncanny, the two are slowly showing subtle signs of mutual love (Such as Lorna telling Alex he's so much more than he gives himself credit for) and it's that tension between the two that works at this point. After all they've been through, a relationship isn't going to work, but they still love each other, and they show it and it makes for natural drama and a visceral progression of the characters.

If you guys watch Studio 60, it's alot like Matt and Heather's characters.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Oooh, oooh, I can.

Alex and Lorna are not in a relationship currently. In Brubaker's Uncanny, the two are slowly showing subtle signs of mutual love (Such as Lorna telling Alex he's so much more than he gives himself credit for) and it's that tension between the two that works at this point. After all they've been through, a relationship isn't going to work, but they still love each other, and they show it and it makes for natural drama and a visceral progression of the characters.

If you guys watch Studio 60, it's alot like Matt and Heather's characters.

I read the same series and I think it's more like a couple of junkies who need their fixes. They're trying to stay clean but the pull of their drug is pretty strong and it's sitting right there next to them. They'll hook up again and then something bad will happen again and they'll break up again. Been there, done that, and didn't really care for it any of the other times.

[rwsmith]

How cool is it that Storm is the third X-Man to escape the mutant ghetto? First there was the Beast then Wolverine and now her. I'd still like to see a little more love shown in Black Panther between Storm and her only family for years but other than that it's perfect. I'm thinking maybe every Marvel team should get an X-Man now. Let Bendis have Gambit for New Avengers and Polaris for Mighty (Cho would love the classic green costume), have Shadowcat in F4 as Reed's lab assistant, and I'm sure there's loads more to go around after that!

I'd actually like to see Whedon "Disassemble" the Astonishing crew at the end of his run on the book. I think he's already confirmed that one cast member will die, so perhaps that's the catalyst. Cyclops and Emma would concentrate on running the school, and would be supporting cast in Uncanny X-men, X-men and New X-men. Wolverine would be a full-time New Avenger. Put Beast on the Mighty Avengers. And just integrate whichever two of the three remaining cast members (Colossus, Kitty and Hisako) make it back from the Breakworld alive (because you know it's going to be one of those three who bites it) into the other two X-men books.

That way you could push some different characters to the forefront of the X-Universe for awhile without having one team made up entirely of "A-listers."

I'd love to see the line-ups look something like this:

Uncanny X-men: Xavier, Nightcrawler, Warpath, Archangel, Marvel Girl, Hisako and Darwin

X-men: Rogue, Iceman, Cannonball, Cable, Mystique, Colossus, and Lady Mastermind

(I'm predicting that Corsair dies in Uncanny and Havok and Polaris stay in space to lead the Starjammers; and that it's Shadowcat who dies in Astonishing)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Three Points...

1) The potential for Rogue controlling her powers has been there for decades and only Xavier being a dickhead has stopped it. There was that storyline in New Mutants where Sunspot and Wolfsbane stole Cloak and Dagger's powers and Xavier accessed the part of Rogue's brain with an aon/off switch to selctively just have her steal the new powers from Bobby and Rahne and nothing else. WTF? I think the rationale for not leaving Rigue with use of this ability was that it was something she had to learn on her own. If I were Rogue at this point I'd be saying 'screw that' and have any telepath handy flip that switch for good. Enough is enough already. Give the girl some new problems and resolve this odl one.

B) Why does New Excalibur exist? If it's to keep Claremont employed out fo gratitude (and damn, do they owe him that) there has to be better ways of doing it. The book is like a modern day Champions and I even forgot to buy it last week. Not a good sign.

III) nyone else think the Legion of Super-Heroes would work better as an X-Men future than that of the DCU? Think about it. Each of these Earth colonies where everyone has certain powers would be so cool if they were the descendant of current X-charcaters. Braal? They're Magneto and Polaris' descendants. Titan? Emma and her ilk settled there. Polar Boy would be the great to the nth power grandson of Bobby Drake and so on...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'd actually like to see Whedon "Disassemble" the Astonishing crew at the end of his run on the book. I think he's already confirmed that one cast member will die, so perhaps that's the catalyst. Cyclops and Emma would concentrate on running the school, and would be supporting cast in Uncanny X-men, X-men and New X-men. Wolverine would be a full-time New Avenger. Put Beast on the Mighty Avengers. And just integrate whichever two of the three remaining cast members (Colossus, Kitty and Hisako) make it back from the Breakworld alive (because you know it's going to be one of those three who bites it) into the other two X-men books.

That way you could push some different characters to the forefront of the X-Universe for awhile without having one team made up entirely of "A-listers."

I'd love to see the line-ups look something like this:

Uncanny X-men: Xavier, Nightcrawler, Warpath, Archangel, Marvel Girl, Hisako and Darwin

X-men: Rogue, Iceman, Cannonball, Cable, Mystique, Colossus, and Lady Mastermind

(I'm predicting that Corsair dies in Uncanny and Havok and Polaris stay in space to lead the Starjammers; and that it's Shadowcat who dies in Astonishing)

I'd like to see either Havok or Polaris stay after Vulcan comes to his senses after being the one to actually kill Corsair. A galaxy isn't enough space to put between those two...

And I think Astonishing should be canceled after Whedon leaves. What's it's reason for existing without him? Either cancel it or turn it into a superstar anthology book on an irregular schedule, much like DC's Classified books...

[Ryudo]

New Excalibur exists to make fans of the old Excalibur series and its whimsy and sense of humor hope that the new book will be something remotely like it, only to severely disappoint us.

[rwsmith]

And I think Astonishing should be canceled after Whedon leaves. What's it's reason for existing without him?

Yup. Exactly how I feel. I'd hate for Marvel to just put some mediocre creative team on it next because they think it should be kept going.

So I'd like to see them either go with my suggestion and "Disassemble" the team completely (thus moving some B and C-listers to the forefront) or go with a more natural transition and just fold the Astonishing characters into the other two books. Perhaps along the lines of "Original 5" and "All New, All Different," with Carey getting the former and Brubaker getting the latter?

Brubaker would get: Nightcrawler, Warpath, Colossus, Shadowcat and Darwin (plus whichever of these four make it back from space: Xavier, Marvel Girl, Havok and Polaris). Throw in Wolverine and Storm as recurring guest-stars (i.e., have Storm in the Morlock story arc that Bru is doing after "Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire," and Logan in the arc after that).

Carey would get: Cyclops, Emma Frost, Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Cannonball, Bishop and Hisako. With Archangel as perhaps a guest-star in the first arc, but beyond that I think I'd keep him retired and let Cannonball take his place as "team flier."

Just my thoughts.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Put Beast on the Mighty Avengers.

You are my new favorite person.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

New Excalibur exists to make fans of the old Excalibur series and its whimsy and sense of humor hope that the new book will be something remotely like it, only to severely disappoint us.

Spot on.

[artimoff]

They need to focus on the Beast's animal side for about a year & resolve the storyline. Either have it take over completly (or kill him off) or have him revert to the ape beast or better yet his big hands/big feet human look.

I just want the story resolved.

[artimoff]

Which of the X-Men deserves a shot at a solo title?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Which of the X-Men deserves a shot at a solo title?

I'm preferential to Beast, but I don't really think he could pull of a solo title. I would love to see a Wonder Man and Beast ongoing, though. I think that could possibly work, provided that PAD wrote it (and not the imposter thats writing the Wonder Man mini right now ;-) )

Other than that, nobody.
I think it's been proven far too many times in recent years that solo X-books simply don't sell well (Wolvie doesn't count). Perhaps they could set up a "Solo X-Men" book, sort of a series of mini-series approach, where every arc features a different X-character and a different creative team (sort of like the Classified books, I suppose, but with better stories).

[Ryudo]

Which of the X-Men deserves a shot at a solo title?

I'd like to see more Cyclops and Phoenix action.

Although it'd have to be the right creative team.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'd like to see more Cyclops and Phoenix action.

Although it'd have to be the right creative team.

Frankly I prefer Jean to stay dead.

A Cyke and White Queen series on the other hand...

[joeAR]

Which of the X-Men deserves a shot at a solo title?


Possibly a Scott and Emma solo book.

[bairdduvessa]

the only x-characters who have proven to carry solo books are wolvierine, cable deadpool and dazzler. Gambit's had two ongoing for a toral of what? aprox 37 issues (plus two minis). Rogue's had 1 or 2 ongoing. The problem with most x0characters is that they are created for beaing on a team and as such aren't as interesting (to non die hards) to support ongoing series.

[joeAR]

the only x-characters who have proven to carry solo books are wolvierine, cable deadpool and dazzler. Gambit's had two ongoing for a toral of what? aprox 37 issues (plus two minis). Rogue's had 1 or 2 ongoing. The problem with most x0characters is that they are created for beaing on a team and as such aren't as interesting (to non die hards) to support ongoing series.


This is oh so true.

[bairdduvessa]

This is oh so true.

the duvessa don't lie.

[UltimateFactor]

I wouldn't mind seeing an X-Treme solo book. :shifty:

[bairdduvessa]

I wouldn't mind seeing an X-Treme solo book. :shifty:

i think with the right creative team and a name change he could be fun

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Left-field theory on mysterious dude in X-Factor 16. Spoilers for X-Factor 16 inherent.

Emplate. That's right. He's Emplate. As in Monet's psychotic brother.

Emplate:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/e_1d/emplate.jpg

Mysterious Dude:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy1.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy2.jpg

Pros:

1) Mysterious dude is after either Monet, Siryn, or orphan chick. Emplate has reasons to be after Monet - he has done so in the past.
2) Emplate is known to wear trenchcoat and odd "metal clothing". Dude in X-Factor also dons trenchcoat (though with added hood) and we've seen same style "metallic gloves."
3) Emplate can become invisible, and it appeared (to me at least) that mysterious dude appeared out of nowhere in above image (panel two).
4) We don't see the mouth (or face) of mysterious dude. Emplate has a respirator attached to his mouth. Could be hidden in shadow.
5) Dude in X-Factor appears to make a bunch of cops disappear. Emplate has power of dimensional travel and could possibly have 'ported them into other dimension.
6) Emplate has glowing red eyes.
7) Emplate has bizarre power that originates with his hands. Mysterious dude has crazy glowing hands.

Cons.
1) Emplate's hand power is vampiric in nature and actually manifests as mouths in his palms. Our guy shows no such mouths when he removes his gloves, bringing us to point 2.
2) Emplate's hands are fucked up looking - not normal.
3) Emplate's crazy flowing "hair" is absent, though possibly somehow under hood.


Thoughts? Arguments?
Go.

[bairdduvessa]

Left-field theory on mysterious dude in X-Factor 16. Spoilers for X-Factor 16 inherent.

Emplate. That's right. He's Emplate. As in Monet's psychotic brother.

Emplate:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/e_1d/emplate.jpg

Mysterious Dude:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy1.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy2.jpg

Pros:

1) Mysterious dude is after either Monet, Siryn, or orphan chick. Emplate has reasons to be after Monet - he has done so in the past.
2) Emplate is known to wear trenchcoat and odd "metal clothing". Dude in X-Factor also dons trenchcoat (though with added hood) and we've seen same style "metallic gloves."
3) Emplate can become invisible, and it appeared (to me at least) that mysterious dude appeared out of nowhere in above image (panel two).
4) We don't see the mouth (or face) of mysterious dude. Emplate has a respirator attached to his mouth. Could be hidden in shadow.
5) Dude in X-Factor appears to make a bunch of cops disappear. Emplate has power of dimensional travel and could possibly have 'ported them into other dimension.
6) Emplate has glowing red eyes.
7) Emplate has bizarre power that originates with his hands. Mysterious dude has crazy glowing hands.

Cons.
1) Emplate's hand power is vampiric in nature and actually manifests as mouths in his palms. Our guy shows no such mouths when he removes his gloves, bringing us to point 2.
2) Emplate's hands are fucked up looking - not normal.
3) Emplate's crazy flowing "hair" is absent, though possibly somehow under hood.


Thoughts? Arguments?
Go.

its as good of a theory as my orphan maker. and who knows after wanda fucked with everybody and everything maybe he looks/acts different.

[Matthew Brown]

Finally got X-Factor in the mail today. I was not expecting Jamie would let his dupe go.

... No guesses on the shadowy figure.

[bairdduvessa]

maybe it's chamber! apoc's cult there did kind of fuck with his body and what not, who knows what changes were made

[bairdduvessa]

Finally got X-Factor in the mail today. I was not expecting Jamie would let his dupe go.

... No guesses on the shadowy figure.

i agree the twist i did not see it coming. Especialy since in my head jamie's a dick and would have just made it seem like he ran away

[The Jack Rabbitt]

maybe it's chamber! apoc's cult there did kind of fuck with his body and what not, who knows what changes were made

And, like in my theory, we don't see the lower half of the face.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Maybe it's Ravage 2099. He did have glowing hands of power...

[bairdduvessa]

And, like in my theory, we don't see the lower half of the face.
yup! you inspired that theory so if its true i'll give you co-credit
Maybe it's Ravage 2099. He did have glowing hands of power...

PAD did used to write for the 2099 comics...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

yup! you inspired that theory so if its true i'll give you co-credit

Hooray


PAD did used to write for the 2099 comics...

Don't I know it. I read the whole damn line. PAD did only write the Spidey book, though. We've got smilin Stan to thank for Ravage. ;-)

[bairdduvessa]

Hooray



Don't I know it. I read the whole damn line. PAD did only write the Spidey book, though. We've got smilin Stan to thank for Ravage. ;-)

i never read any but random issues i'd get in one of those dicount comic collection packs at like BJs :cry:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

i never read any but random issues i'd get in one of those dicount comic collection packs at like BJs :cry:

Spider-Man 2099, X-Men 2099, and Doom 2099 were all excellent - provided for the most part you ignore the last few issues of each run. Ellis' Doom and PAD's Spidey were awesome.

[bairdduvessa]

Spider-Man 2099, X-Men 2099, and Doom 2099 were all excellent - provided for the most part you ignore the last few issues of each run. Ellis' Doom and PAD's Spidey were awesome.

from the issues i have/had of Spidey it seemed so

[Todd, The]

Left-field theory on mysterious dude in X-Factor 16. Spoilers for X-Factor 16 inherent.

Emplate. That's right. He's Emplate. As in Monet's psychotic brother.

Emplate:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/e_1d/emplate.jpg

Mysterious Dude:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy1.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/PacoJames/MysteriousGuy2.jpg

Pros:

1) Mysterious dude is after either Monet, Siryn, or orphan chick. Emplate has reasons to be after Monet - he has done so in the past.
2) Emplate is known to wear trenchcoat and odd "metal clothing". Dude in X-Factor also dons trenchcoat (though with added hood) and we've seen same style "metallic gloves."
3) Emplate can become invisible, and it appeared (to me at least) that mysterious dude appeared out of nowhere in above image (panel two).
4) We don't see the mouth (or face) of mysterious dude. Emplate has a respirator attached to his mouth. Could be hidden in shadow.
5) Dude in X-Factor appears to make a bunch of cops disappear. Emplate has power of dimensional travel and could possibly have 'ported them into other dimension.
6) Emplate has glowing red eyes.
7) Emplate has bizarre power that originates with his hands. Mysterious dude has crazy glowing hands.

Cons.
1) Emplate's hand power is vampiric in nature and actually manifests as mouths in his palms. Our guy shows no such mouths when he removes his gloves, bringing us to point 2.
2) Emplate's hands are fucked up looking - not normal.
3) Emplate's crazy flowing "hair" is absent, though possibly somehow under hood.


Thoughts? Arguments?
Go.

I thought it was Mr. Sinister, but that is solely on the fact that they both have red glowing eyes and that, multiple times throughout the '90s, he would be the "hidden villain" who would stalk someone (like Gambit/Rogue) and would be concealed in the shadows until the made his appearance. Also, he's been slated to be the big bad of the upcoming X-Event.

But he never had blue, glowing hands.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I thought it was Mr. Sinister, but that is solely on the fact that they both have red glowing eyes and that, multiple times throughout the '90s, he would be the "hidden villain" who would stalk someone (like Gambit/Rogue) and would be concealed in the shadows until the made his appearance. Also, he's been slated to be the big bad of the upcoming X-Event.

But he never had blue, glowing hands.

Sinister was my first thought, too, but the more I thought of it the less it made sense. Mostly because Sinister as the dude in shadows is soooo played.

And if the red eyes are glowing, where's the glowing jewel he's got in his forehead. ;-)

[bairdduvessa]

Sinister was my first thought, too, but the more I thought of it the less it made sense. Mostly because Sinister as the dude in shadows is soooo played.

And if the red eyes are glowing, where's the glowing jewel he's got in his forehead. ;-)

sold it for crack

[bairdduvessa]

I thought it was Mr. Sinister, but that is solely on the fact that they both have red glowing eyes and that, multiple times throughout the '90s, he would be the "hidden villain" who would stalk someone (like Gambit/Rogue) and would be concealed in the shadows until the made his appearance. Also, he's been slated to be the big bad of the upcoming X-Event.

But he never had blue, glowing hands.
could have been the lighting...

[Todd, The]

Mostly because Sinister as the dude in shadows is soooo played.


I'm with you there. It was like anytime Lobdell and/or Nicieza ran out of villains or ideas, lets put Sinister in the shadows and make him stalk someone until his shocking emergence. I must say though, he hasn't been used in years, so him being the mastermind for this summers events has me hyped.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I'm with you there. It was like anytime Lobdell and/or Nicieza ran out of villains or ideas, lets put Sinister in the shadows and make him stalk someone until his shocking emergence. I must say though, he hasn't been used in years, so him being the mastermind for this summers events has me hyped.

He was in a recent Mini-Series and played a pretty big role but it came as a surprise so i'll hide the name... Colossus : Bloodlines in which Mr.Sinister and Colossus's crazy now not dead brother were running around.

Don't bother with it though the book is utter dreck. One of the big disappointments of the last few years.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm with you there. It was like anytime Lobdell and/or Nicieza ran out of villains or ideas, lets put Sinister in the shadows and make him stalk someone until his shocking emergence. I must say though, he hasn't been used in years, so him being the mastermind for this summers events has me hyped.

I join you with the hypedness.

[Matt O.]

Sinister is one of only a few X-Villians I like.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Here's some cool news From All The Rage...

Mike Carey Brings On the Beast

It looks like writer Mike Carey is “definitely” doing a Beast: Mythos one-shot for Marvel, which will re-tell the origins of Hank McCoy. Here is an excerpt from him from his site on this:

The Beast book is definitely happening, but it will probably be in the second half of this year. I’m starting to see the art come through now, and man, it’s gorgeous. The first page will break your heart.

Though this project was announced months ago, not much has been mentioned on it. It’s nice to see Carey talking about it and other things with his fans. Another bit I saw was a reminder that Adi Granov will be doing a Colossus Mythos book. Just thought I’d mention it in case you were unaware.

This Has An “Oh Mythos, Stars, And Garters” Factor Of Nine Out Of Ten

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Here's some cool news From All The Rage...

Mike Carey Brings On the Beast

It looks like writer Mike Carey is “definitely” doing a Beast: Mythos one-shot for Marvel, which will re-tell the origins of Hank McCoy. Here is an excerpt from him from his site on this:

The Beast book is definitely happening, but it will probably be in the second half of this year. I’m starting to see the art come through now, and man, it’s gorgeous. The first page will break your heart.

Though this project was announced months ago, not much has been mentioned on it. It’s nice to see Carey talking about it and other things with his fans. Another bit I saw was a reminder that Adi Granov will be doing a Colossus Mythos book. Just thought I’d mention it in case you were unaware.

This Has An “Oh Mythos, Stars, And Garters” Factor Of Nine Out Of Ten

:rock:
:rock:
:boogie::boogie:
:boogie::boogie:
:rock:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

It'd be cool of Mythos Beast was the blue ape but I'll take what I can get. I've loved Hank mcCoy since his solo series back when. Is it too much to hope that the mini will focus on his non-X-Men ties? The Beast's place in the greater MU is one of the best things about him.

[bairdduvessa]

He was in a recent Mini-Series and played a pretty big role but it came as a surprise so i'll hide the name... Colossus : Bloodlines in which Mr.Sinister and Colossus's crazy now not dead brother were running around.

Don't bother with it though the book is utter dreck. One of the big disappointments of the last few years.

i have every issue!
[spoiler[the only big thing to know is that apprently sinister is loosing his powers and can no longer shape shift[/spoiler]

[Sam Little]

I love the idea of an Adi Granov Colossus mini. Loved his work on Extremis. If only they'd get Warren Ellis to write it...

[YouStayClassy]

I just read the Fall of the Mutants Uncanny X-Men issues this morning. CLASSIC AS HELL!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Inferno was my favorite X-Over, even if it did feature the logic defying end of Magik...

[Kefky]

Here's some cool news From All The Rage...

Mike Carey Brings On the Beast

It looks like writer Mike Carey is “definitely” doing a Beast: Mythos one-shot for Marvel, which will re-tell the origins of Hank McCoy. Here is an excerpt from him from his site on this:

The Beast book is definitely happening, but it will probably be in the second half of this year. I’m starting to see the art come through now, and man, it’s gorgeous. The first page will break your heart.

Though this project was announced months ago, not much has been mentioned on it. It’s nice to see Carey talking about it and other things with his fans. Another bit I saw was a reminder that Adi Granov will be doing a Colossus Mythos book. Just thought I’d mention it in case you were unaware.

This Has An “Oh Mythos, Stars, And Garters” Factor Of Nine Out Of Ten

Oh, fuck yes. Carey's writing an AMAZING Beast in x-men right now. There's no way that thing can't rock.

[YouStayClassy]

Inferno was my favorite X-Over, even if it did feature the logic defying end of Magik...

Inferno is my all time favorite as well. It also follows my single favorite Uncanny arc ever, the introduction of Genosha and Maddy Pryor SERIOUSLY going Charles Bronson on the Genosha soldiers.

[artimoff]

Inferno was my favorite X-Over, even if it did feature the logic defying end of Magik...

I never understood how the armor of the teen Magick cracked open & held a 5 year old Illyanna.

[Todd, The]

So am I the only one that misses Warren right now? Say what you will about Austen's run (which I dug for the first arc or so), but he made Angel leader and that was freakin' cool.

[joeAR]

So am I the only one that misses Warren right now? Say what you will about Austen's run (which I dug for the first arc or so), but he made Angel leader and that was freakin' cool.


Angel's been my faovorite X-Man since I was 9 so Hell yeah I miss him.

[artimoff]

I do wish Angel was in something at the moment.

[YouStayClassy]

Austen did a great Angel, no argument here. I can't even remember the last time we saw him... Generation M was it?

[Kefky]

Austen did a great Angel, no argument here.

Healing blood...? :no:

[YouStayClassy]

Healing blood...? :no:

Secondary mutation and Austen's fascination with Biblical references actually worked in Warren's favor that time I thought. Plus it made for some great nipple to nipple action with ol' jailbait.

[Kefky]

Secondary mutation and Austen's fascination with Biblical references actually worked in Warren's favor that time I thought. Plus it made for some great nipple to nipple action with ol' jailbait.

....Okay, I'm probably too hard on the guy already, so I won't say anything else. :)

[YouStayClassy]

....Okay, I'm probably too hard on the guy already, so I won't say anything else. :)

Heh. :lol:

I thought they had a follow up story somewhere in Uncanny that actually explained how Magick regressed to a kid again.... I'll have to keep an eye out when I reread those....

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Heh. :lol:

I thought they had a follow up story somewhere in Uncanny that actually explained how Magick regressed to a kid again.... I'll have to keep an eye out when I reread those....

But the very nature of Limbo meant that there were concurrent multiple timeline versions of everybody there. Yes, they could have saved baby Ilyana but Magik should not have ceased to exist. 'Course, I just realized that it could also mean that a non-Goblin Queen Maddie might be somewhere in there as well...

[joeAR]

Austen did a great Angel, no argument here. I can't even remember the last time we saw him... Generation M was it?


Generation M and the Civil War: X-Men mini.

[YouStayClassy]

But the very nature of Limbo meant that there were concurrent multiple timeline versions of everybody there. Yes, they could have saved baby Ilyana but Magik should not have ceased to exist. 'Course, I just realized that it could also mean that a non-Goblin Queen Maddie might be somewhere in there as well...

Sigh.... how I wish that were so.

Maddy Pryor is my favorite Marvel female of all time.

[YouStayClassy]

Generation M and the Civil War: X-Men mini.

Oh duh.... the Civil War issues of course. Yeesh, can't believe I forgot that.:surrend:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Sigh.... how I wish that were so.

Maddy Pryor is my favorite Marvel female of all time.

Heck yeah, Maddie kicked ass. Even X-Man Maddie and Mutant X Maddie. :-D

[YouStayClassy]

Heck yeah, Maddie kicked ass. Even X-Man Maddie and Mutant X Maddie. :-D

Hell yes, I'm all about Mutant X Maddie here!

But damn.... X-Man Maddie was out there. What a strange concept that was....

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Hell yes, I'm all about Mutant X Maddie here!

But damn.... X-Man Maddie was out there. What a strange concept that was....

Yeah, absolutely.

[YouStayClassy]

Yeah, absolutely.

X-Man in a whole was just a weird concept. That being said, I actually miss ol' Nate....

[joeAR]

Hell yes, I'm all about Mutant X Maddie here!

But damn.... X-Man Maddie was out there. What a strange concept that was....


Incest is where it's at ;)

[YouStayClassy]

Incest is where it's at ;)

:lol:

Imagine if they had MAX back then....:scared:

[joeAR]

:lol:

Imagine if they had MAX back then....:scared:


TABOO X-Men style.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

X-Man in a whole was just a weird concept. That being said, I actually miss ol' Nate....

At the time, I was fairly glad they got rid of him - even though I read his series the whole way through... That said, it's been about six years since they "killed" him. Maybe its time for him to return.

[Eric Williams]

Did Nate Grey actually bite the dust at the end of X-Man, or is his character just floating around in limbo.
I kind of miss him, too.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Did Nate Grey actually bite the dust at the end of X-Man, or is his character just floating around in limbo.
I kind of miss him, too.

No, he's dead. I sort of wish he sacrificed himself to stop Apocalypse instead of Cyclops at the end of The Twelve storyline.

Dying a year later to stop some nameless aliens in a forgotten storyline was unfortunate.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/NGreyShawman.jpg/235px-NGreyShawman.jpg

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Did Nate Grey actually bite the dust at the end of X-Man, or is his character just floating around in limbo.
I kind of miss him, too.

He's kinda dead. He did something along the lines of "dispersing his essence among every living thing on Earth"...

[Vonn Hennigar]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/X-Men200color.jpg

Name em all and Win...Nothing.

[Todd, The]

Did Nate Grey actually bite the dust at the end of X-Man, or is his character just floating around in limbo.
I kind of miss him, too.

I'll never forget those team-up issues with Spider-Man by DeFalco and Skroce. They were awesome and made odd but appropriate friends.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I'll never forget those team-up issues with Spider-Man by DeFalco and Skroce. They were awesome and made odd but appropriate friends.

Steve Skroce needs to run out of Matrix money already and get his ass back to Marvel.

His short Wolverine run #147-150 i think were brilliant.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/X-Men200color.jpg

Name em all and Win...Nothing.

Image needs to be bigger and I bet I could.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Steve Skroce needs to run out of Matrix money already and get his ass back to Marvel.

His short Wolverine run #147-150 i think were brilliant.

His work on Gambit's first shot at an ongoing was brilliant, too. And if I remember right, that series was actually written fairly well, too (by Nicieza with some plot assists by Skroce).

[Vonn Hennigar]

Image needs to be bigger and I bet I could.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003777853.cfm

[The Jack Rabbitt]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003777853.cfm

Danke. I shall give 'er a shot... in a 'bout an hour, when I gots the time (damn work).

[Vonn Hennigar]

Poor Angel relegated to the background :nonono2:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Alright here goes...

Husk,Lady Mastermind,Mystique,Sabretooth,Danielle Moonstar,Polaris,Lockheed,Kitty Pryde,X-23,Stacy X,Warpath,Joseph,Changeling,??????,Angel,Banshee,C annonball,Iceman,Chamber,Bishop,Juggernaut,Rogue,P sylocke,Gambit,Marvel Girl,Beast,Havok,Cable,Wolverine,Cyclops,Jean Grey,Sunfire,Storm,Slipstream,??????,Northstar,For ge,Jubilee,Darwin,Sway,Petra,Vulcan,Mimic,Sage,Mar row,Maggott,Dr.Cecilia Reyes,Longshot,Dazzler,Colossus,Emma Frost,Nightcrawler,Xorn Professor Charles Xavier & Magneto. With Dark Phoenix's Corona hovering over the whole she-bang which seems to be located in Hammer Bay,Genosha.

Those 2 flyers will drive me nuts... Underneath Angel with the Big Bracelets and The Female Winged One on the right.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Here we go:

Husk
Lady Mastermind
Mystique
Sabretooth
Polaris
Shadowcat
Stacy X
Moonstar?
Lockheed
Angel
Cannonball
Banshee
Revanche
Warpath
Joseph
Changeling
Bishop
Chamber
Juggernaut
Rogue
Iceman
Gambit
Psylocke
Rachel Summers
Havok
Beast
Cable
Wolverine
Sunfire
Cyclops
Phoenix
Storm
Lifeguard
Northstar
Forge
Darwin
Sage
Jubilee
Slipstream
Sway
Petra
Vulcan
Mimic
Maggott :rock:
Cecilia Reyes
Marrow
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Longshot
Dazzler
White Queen
Professor X
Xorn
Magneto

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Those 2 flyers will drive me nuts... Underneath Angel with the Big Bracelets and The Female Winged One on the right.

I couldn't place that first one, either. I know I recognize those goofy gloves from somewhere.

Winged Chick is Lifeguard, right?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Alright here goes...

Husk,Lady Mastermind,Mystique,Sabretooth,Danielle Moonstar,Polaris,Lockheed,Kitty Pryde,X-23,Stacy X,Warpath,Joseph,Changeling,??????,Angel,Banshee,C annonball,Iceman,Chamber,Bishop,Juggernaut,Rogue,P sylocke,Gambit,Marvel Girl,Beast,Havok,Cable,Wolverine,Cyclops,Jean Grey,Sunfire,Storm,Slipstream,??????,Northstar,For ge,Jubilee,Darwin,Sway,Petra,Vulcan,Mimic,Sage,Mar row,Maggott,Dr.Cecilia Reyes,Longshot,Dazzler,Colossus,Emma Frost,Nightcrawler,Xorn Professor Charles Xavier & Magneto. With Dark Phoenix's Corona hovering over the whole she-bang which seems to be located in Hammer Bay,Genosha.

Those 2 flyers will drive me nuts... Underneath Angel with the Big Bracelets and The Female Winged One on the right.

Wait a tick. Where's X-23 at?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wait a tick. Where's X-23 at?

My screw-up, i saw the costume and thought X-23 despite the pink sword :Oops:

Same goes for Lifeguard, i even posted in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread oooh there's Lifeguard.

Ah well no one's perfect.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

My screw-up, i saw the costume and thought X-23 despite the pink sword :Oops:

Same goes for Lifeguard, i even posted in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread oooh there's Lifeguard.

Ah well no one's perfect.

Forgiven. Now, who the hell is flying chick?

[bairdduvessa]

husl, mastermind, mystique, moonstone, polaris, lockhead, kitty, no clue on the chick with the sword, stacy-x, thunderbird1, joseph, the shi'ar dude, some flying chick , angel, banshee, cannonball, iceman, sunfire, storm, northstar, lifeguard, his sister, longshot, dazzler and xorn, magneto, prof x, emma, collossus, nightcrawler, jean grey, cyclops, wolverine, cable, havok, beast, pheonix 2, gambit, psylocke, gorgue, juggernaut, bishop, chamber, sabertooth, forge, mimic, sage, marrow, maggot, cecilia, jubille, darwin, sway, petra and vulcan.

missing are changeling, omerta, wraith, sunpyre, frenzy, the muir island x-men, redlotus and warpath

[The Jack Rabbitt]

chick with sword is Revanche, fool.
Changeling is there as well as Warpath (thats not Thunderbird 1)

And there're others missing, as well.

[Vonn Hennigar]

husl, mastermind, mystique, moonstone, polaris, lockhead, kitty, no clue on the chick with the sword, stacy-x, thunderbird1, joseph, the shi'ar dude, some flying chick , angel, banshee, cannonball, iceman, sunfire, storm, northstar, lifeguard, his sister, longshot, dazzler and xorn, magneto, prof x, emma, collossus, nightcrawler, jean grey, cyclops, wolverine, cable, havok, beast, pheonix 2, gambit, psylocke, gorgue, juggernaut, bishop, chamber, sabertooth, forge, mimic, sage, marrow, maggot, cecilia, jubille, darwin, sway, petra and vulcan.

missing are changeling, omerta, wraith, sunpyre, frenzy, the muir island x-men, redlotus and warpath

Weak Sauce :nonono2:

Shiar Dude? Thunderbird?Aurora?

Hang your head in SHAME!

[bairdduvessa]

Weak Sauce :nonono2:

Shiar Dude? Thunderbird?Aurora?

Hang your head in SHAME!

blah i just woke up! no aurora there for me. whaere is kharmina (sp)?

thunderbird looks like warpath damnit and is with the "dead" characters (and 1 prostitute)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

blah i just woke up! no aurora there for me. whaere is kharmina (sp)?

thunderbird looks like warpath damnit

Karima is conspicuously absent...

[bairdduvessa]

i am so mad for not getting revanche

[bairdduvessa]

thunderbird III and madie are missing

[Todd, The]

is Monet St. Croix pictured, 'cause I'm not finding her (chick from X-Factor).

[bairdduvessa]

is Monet St. Croix pictured, 'cause I'm not finding her (chick from X-Factor).

she has never been considered an official x-member to my knowledge

[Vonn Hennigar]

is Monet St. Croix pictured, 'cause I'm not finding her (chick from X-Factor).

No but then she was never a true X-Man hence why Jamie,Rahne,Siryn and company aren't their either.

Strong Guy was one technically for 43 seconds but hey whatchoo gonna do?

[bairdduvessa]

No but then she was never a true X-Man hence why Jamie,Rahne,Siryn and company aren't their either.

Strong Guy was one technically for 43 seconds but hey whatchoo gonna do?
go to work, thats what i am going to do!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

thunderbird III and madie are missing

The whole time I looked through that pic, I was hoping Maddie would pop up.

[Todd, The]

So despite reading every other X-Book in the '90s, I skipped Generation X. Was it good? Should I pick up some back issues?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So despite reading every other X-Book in the '90s, I skipped Generation X. Was it good? Should I pick up some back issues?

I really enjoyed the early issues when Lobdell was writing and Bachalo was on the majority of the pencils (back when his art was more readable). When Hama took over (with ish 33) it turned to :Poo:. It got good again when Faerber came on board with 48. And Brian Wood closed out the series writing the last dozen issues, which were also pretty good (iirc - memory is a little hazier on the later stuff).

[Vonn Hennigar]

So despite reading every other X-Book in the '90s, I skipped Generation X. Was it good? Should I pick up some back issues?

I only read the first year or so before i stopped reading comics in 1995 but from what i've read in the ensuing years it's pretty good.

I always liked the cast for the most part.

Emma and Banshee running the joint. Jubilee,M,Synch,Husk,Skin and Chamber were all great characters.

Mondo and the total clusterfuck that was Penance & M not so much.

Still recommended. Hopefully the character of New X-Men will fair a lil better in terms of real staying power though.

[Ryan F]

So despite reading every other X-Book in the '90s, I skipped Generation X. Was it good? Should I pick up some back issues?

If you like Bachalo, it's some of his best work. If not...it's still pretty decent. I think it was the best x-book when it first started.

[Vonn Hennigar]

They're introduction in The Phalanx Covenant storyline was pretty much flawless all around.

Blink's death,Synch's badassedness (Is That a Word?) all pitch perfect stuff to launch a book including Emma Frost's recovery,Banshee stepping up to the plate as a leader/teacher and Jubilee's sad goodbye to the X-Men.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

They're introduction in The Phalanx Covenant storyline was pretty much flawless all around.

Blink's death,Synch's badassedness (Is That a Word?) all pitch perfect stuff to launch a book including Emma Frost's recovery,Banshee stepping up to the plate as a leader/teacher and Jubilee's sad goodbye to the X-Men.

I loved the Generation Next Phalanx story. Wonderful stuff.

[bairdduvessa]

I really enjoyed the early issues when Lobdell was writing and Bachalo was on the majority of the pencils (back when his art was more readable). When Hama took over (with ish 33) it turned to :Poo:. It got good again when Faerber came on board with 48. And Brian Wood closed out the series writing the last dozen issues, which were also pretty good (iirc - memory is a little hazier on the later stuff).
didn't ellis write some of it too?
They're introduction in The Phalanx Covenant storyline was pretty much flawless all around.

Blink's death,Synch's badassedness (Is That a Word?) all pitch perfect stuff to launch a book including Emma Frost's recovery,Banshee stepping up to the plate as a leader/teacher and Jubilee's sad goodbye to the X-Men.
suck a great mini series! granted i hate the other parts of the tie in. But the Phalenx Convent was so damn good.

[xanderharris]

didn't ellis write some of it too?



he co-wrote the first arc of counter x with Brian Wood yes.

[bairdduvessa]

he co-wrote the first arc of counter x with Brian Wood yes.

danke bry

[Vonn Hennigar]

didn't ellis write some of it too?

suck a great mini series! granted i hate the other parts of the tie in. But the Phalenx Convent was so damn good.

There was No Phalanx Covenant Mini-Series.

It was an old school crossover with specific parts. Broken into 3 different stories.

Makes me remember Cameron Hodge. What an Asshole! From his X-Factor days to X-Tinction Agenda to this.

I don't think any character in comics could compare to his outright HATRED of his enemies.

[bairdduvessa]

There was No Phalanx Covenant Mini-Series.

It was an old school crossover with specific parts. Broken into 3 different stories.

Makes me remember Cameron Hodge. What an Asshole! From his X-Factor days to X-Tinction Agenda to this.

I don't think any character in comics could compare to his outright HATRED of his enemies.

grrr what's up with my mind tonight, i mean x-over. i rested well today too :cry:

i'm reading the second volume of esseintial x-factor when i have time at home, damn that dude is a douche

[Ryan F]

There was No Phalanx Covenant Mini-Series.

It was an old school crossover with specific parts. Broken into 3 different stories.

Makes me remember Cameron Hodge. What an Asshole! From his X-Factor days to X-Tinction Agenda to this.

I don't think any character in comics could compare to his outright HATRED of his enemies.

Wasn't he involved in the death of Doug Ramsey. :angry:

[joeAR]

I've figured out everyone from the picture except for the flying chick by Angel. Who in the fuck is that?

[Ryan F]

grrr what's up with my mind tonight, i mean x-over. i rested well today too :cry:

i'm reading the second volume of esseintial x-factor when i have time at home, damn that dude is a douche

The original premise of X-Factor is so ridiculously complicated. It's kind of sad that they would fall for Hodge's plan.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wasn't he involved in the death of Doug Ramsey. :angry:

Yes and he also outright killed Warlock too.

[joeAR]

Yes and he also outright killed Warlock too.


Such an evil motherfucker....I loved him as a villian.

[bairdduvessa]

The original premise of X-Factor is so ridiculously complicated. It's kind of sad that they would fall for Hodge's plan.

Warren: "why do you hate me? We were friends"

Hodge" In school I followed you like a puppy, then you grew wings and left behind. Then you hook up with this hot asian chick and I couldn't take it anymore. DEATH TO MUTANTS!"

[Vonn Hennigar]

Such an evil motherfucker....I loved him as a villian.

I love when Cyclops and Havok just unload on the fucker destroying his body and he still almost manages to kill them all with his tongue.

Then even as a disembodied head he manages to taunt Wolfsbane.

[xanderharris]

I love when Cyclops and Havok just unload on the fucker destroying his body and he still almost manages to kill them all with his tongue.

Then even as a disembodied head he manages to taunt Wolfsbane.

that part sketched me out when i first read it. ( i think i was like 11)

[bairdduvessa]

has he been seen since phalanx?

i remember my first expieriance with him was a few issues prior to Jean and Scott's wedding. He was disguised as Candy Souther then attacked Warren and Jean.

[xanderharris]

has he been seen since phalanx?

i remember my first expieriance with him was a few issues prior to Jean and Scott's wedding. He was disguised as Candy Souther then attacked Warren and Jean.

i think he was seen during Lobdell's Phalanx space storyline in the 340's but i could be wrong

[Ryan F]

I love when Cyclops and Havok just unload on the fucker destroying his body and he still almost manages to kill them all with his tongue.

Then even as a disembodied head he manages to taunt Wolfsbane.

Where is he, btw? I can't remember. He's an unkillable head, right? Still buried under Genoshan ruble?

EDIT: Oh yeah, he joined the Phalanx.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Quesada didn't outright rule out a return of Nate Gray when asked a few months back. I say someone puts together a Superhero Undisperser and gives us back X-Man and Genis-Vell now!

[Ryan F]

Warren: "why do you hate me? We were friends"

Hodge" In school I followed you like a puppy, then you grew wings and left behind. Then you hook up with this hot asian chick and I couldn't take it anymore. DEATH TO MUTANTS!"

Before that even:

Hodge: "Okay Warren, you're going to hunt mutants and spread anti-mutant propaganda...but it's okay, because you'll actually be kidnapping the mutants you hunt and training them. Oh, also, you'll fight yourselves. It'll be great!"

Warren: "sounds like a good idea."

[bairdduvessa]

Quesada didn't outright rule out a return of Nate Gray when asked a few months back. I say someone puts together a Superhero Undisperser and gives us back X-Man and Genis-Vell now!
mastermind in x-men has something "dead" inside her and is suddenly showing some tk spikes...
Where is he, btw? I can't remember. He's an unkillable head, right? Still buried under Genoshan ruble?

he showed up a few years later semi bonded with the phallenx. And was buried under mt everest.

[joeAR]

i remember my first expieriance with him was a few issues prior to Jean and Scott's wedding. He was disguised as Candy Souther then attacked Warren and Jean.


That's one of my favorite X-Men issues ever.

[bairdduvessa]

wow does his wiki suck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Hodge

[Vonn Hennigar]

Is that bad-ass Genoshan Magistrate chick still around?

The one who handed Wolverine his ass in X-Tinction Agenda?

Grrr what's her name again? Those 3 Jim Lee issues are some of my favorite comics ever, but Jon Bogdanvove (sp) X-Factor issues are just so so bad it taints the whole crossover. Same goes for Rob Liefelds New Mutants issues but i think he only did basic layouts there.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Is that bad-ass Genoshan Magistrate chick still around?

The one who handed Wolverine his ass in X-Tinction Agenda?

Grrr what's her name again? Those 3 Jim Lee issues are some of my favorite comics ever, but Jon Bogdanvove (sp) X-Factor issues are just so so bad it taints the whole crossover. Same goes for Rob Liefelds New Mutants issues but i think he only did basic layouts there.

Chief Magistrate Anderson, maybe? No idea what happened to her.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Man i think i need to give that whole story a re-read tonight. Wolverine,Psylocke and Jubilee infiltrating Genosha to rescue the New Mutants, Wolverine's absolutely mind-blowing fight with Havok (Fresh out of the Siege Perilous), Gambit's great escape from Hodge using the spike in his leg. Storm being turned into a Mutate.

That stuff was so so good.

[bairdduvessa]

Chief Magistrate Anderson, maybe? No idea what happened to her.

gods i thnk the last time i saw her was in x-men # 3, unless she turned up in the post AoA Excallibur issues

[bairdduvessa]

Man i think i need to give that whole story a re-read tonight. Wolverine,Psylocke and Jubilee infiltrating Genosha to rescue the New Mutants, Wolverine's absolutely mind-blowing fight with Havok (Fresh out of the Siege Perilous), Gambit's great escape from Hodge using the spike in his leg. Storm being turned into a Mutate.

That stuff was so so good.

i reread it two weeks ago due to insomnia

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Man i think i need to give that whole story a re-read tonight. Wolverine,Psylocke and Jubilee infiltrating Genosha to rescue the New Mutants, Wolverine's absolutely mind-blowing fight with Havok (Fresh out of the Siege Perilous), Gambit's great escape from Hodge using the spike in his leg. Storm being turned into a Mutate.

That stuff was so so good.

Damn good stuff. Maybe I'll drag those out tonight, too.

[bairdduvessa]

wow i just read steven lang's wiki. I didn't realised he was used so minimaly

[The Jack Rabbitt]

wow i just read steven lang's wiki. I didn't realised he was used so minimaly

Yeah, he's barely been used.

[Vonn Hennigar]

wow i just read steven lang's wiki. I didn't realised he was used so minimaly

LANG, DR. STEVEN
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CX 7
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UX 99
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H@ 7-BTS
UX 291
XF 106-FB

[bairdduvessa]

LANG, DR. STEVEN
UX 100-FB
{UX 96}
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CX 6/2-BTS
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:surrend:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Just read X-Men 196 (it arrived via DCBS today)

Not bad. Not great. This Primary Infection arc was not as good, all told, as the opening six-issue arc. Still some fun stuff - though it is harmed by Ramos ugly art, imo. There are some nice tidbits thrown in and some decent fight scenes. I'm curious what is wrong with Lady Mastermind, with the whole comment from Sabretooth about something being dead inside her. No idea what that's about. On the other hand, the changes that Pandemic has made to Rogue... I'm fairly willing to bet that Rogue is going to gain control over her absorption abilities (finally) - once we get by this whole "Rogue's dying! omg!" stuff. I will say that the way Pan was defeated was pretty clever. All in all, I'm digging Carey's run... and I am stoked for the X-over...

6 x's out of 10. Would've been higher but I can't stand Ramos' art.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh, Wisdom 3 came today, too. I'll give it a read tonight or tomorrow and get a review up.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Rogue gaining ability over her powers would be nice, it's time i think.

I'm hoping it's a part of Jason trapped in Lady Masterminds uh mind myself.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm hoping it's a part of Jason trapped in Lady Masterminds uh mind myself.

That would certainly be... interesting.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Um, correct me if I'm wrong (anyone that's read X-Men 196), and i just realized this, but wasn't Iceman one of the strike team last issue? Where was he this issue? Not a single mention of him. the fuck, did i miss something?

[joeAR]

Rogue gaining ability over her powers would be nice, it's time i think.




It was so badass when this happened for 1 issue in Xtreme X-Men.

[bairdduvessa]

Um, correct me if I'm wrong (anyone that's read X-Men 196), and i just realized this, but wasn't Iceman one of the strike team last issue? Where was he this issue? Not a single mention of him. the fuck, did i miss something?

He was there if you pay attention. one of Pan's sambles appeared to be frosting over. He's going to rebuild himself in time to keep rogue's fever down

[The Jack Rabbitt]

He was there if you pay attention. one of Pan's sambles appeared to be frosting over. He's going to rebuild himself in time to keep rogue's fever down

Excellent call. And good eyes.

[Vonn Hennigar]

That Xorn talk in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread has got me worked up again about Grant Morrison's Magneto.

Okay first Magneto as Xorn was mind-blowing! Period, no question. The internet almost collapsed under it's awesomeness. Reading some columns like Paul O'Briens detailing all the lil hints and clues that Grant layed out made it all the better.

But dear lord ,why did he have to go so far with Crazee Magneto? :( Turning off Professor X's nanites? Cool Beans, setting up execution chambers in the middle of New York to start a second Holocaust? Not so much. Yes he was high on Kick and thus was being affected maybe even outright being controlled by John Sublime but really it threw 3 decades of character development down the drain for no reason other than to give his run some extra importance. Never helped that no one seemed to mind Magneto exterminating everyone, where were everybody??? Then just to put the cherry on top, hey lets kill Jean Grey and have Wolverine execute Magneto too.

Bah!

Now if he did it right and Magneto went off with his students and truly became a leader of mutants again, slowly building up his forces for a showdown with the X-Men down the line without ANY of that NY extermination nonsense? Fucking brilliant! except that would mean Grant wouldn't get to write it. But what's a better sign of a great run than leaving your successor with such a perfect ready made impossible to fuck up story?

Sure with the deaths of Jean Grey and "Magneto" he set up suitable replacements in Emma Frost and even Polaris but someone at Marvel really needed to put their foot down and say no to him. Clearly they were uncomfortable with the story since Magneto showed up what 6 months later? That means they green-lit his return pretty much exactly when his death hit the racks!!!

Just my 2 cents.

[bairdduvessa]

i just went through wikis "official" x-men list. i think the flying girl must be an oddly drawn omega sentinal (Karima Shapandar)

[bairdduvessa]

That Xorn talk in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread has got me worked up again about Grant Morrison's Magneto.

Okay first Magneto as Xorn was mind-blowing! Period, no question. The internet almost collapsed under it's awesomeness. Reading some columns like Paul O'Briens detailing all the lil hints and clues that Grant layed out made it all the better.

But dear lord ,why did he have to go so far with Crazee Magneto? :( Turning off Professor X's nanites? Cool Beans, setting up execution chambers in the middle of New York to start a second Holocaust? Not so much. Yes he was high on Kick and thus was being affected maybe even outright being controlled by John Sublime but really it threw 3 decades of character development down the drain for no reason other than to give his run some extra importance. Never helped that no one seemed to mind Magneto exterminating everyone, where were everybody??? Then just to put the cherry on top, hey lets kill Jean Grey and have Wolverine execute Magneto too.

Bah!

Now if he did it right and Magneto went off with his students and truly became a leader of mutants again, slowly building up his forces for a showdown with the X-Men down the line without ANY of that NY extermination nonsense? Fucking brilliant! except that would mean Grant wouldn't get to write it. But what's a better sign of a great run than leaving your successor with such a perfect ready made impossible to fuck up story?

Sure with the deaths of Jean Grey and "Magneto" he set up suitable replacements in Emma Frost and even Polaris but someone at Marvel really needed to put their foot down and say no to him. Clearly they were uncomfortable with the story since Magneto showed up what 6 months later? That means they green-lit his return pretty much exactly when his death hit the racks!!!

Just my 2 cents.

i like your idea about how to have handeled it

[joeAR]

That Xorn talk in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread has got me worked up again about Grant Morrison's Magneto.

Okay first Magneto as Xorn was mind-blowing! Period, no question. The internet almost collapsed under it's awesomeness. Reading some columns like Paul O'Briens detailing all the lil hints and clues that Grant layed out made it all the better.

But dear lord ,why did he have to go so far with Crazee Magneto? :( Turning off Professor X's nanites? Cool Beans, setting up execution chambers in the middle of New York to start a second Holocaust? Not so much. Yes he was high on Kick and thus was being affected maybe even outright being controlled by John Sublime but really it threw 3 decades of character development down the drain for no reason other than to give his run some extra importance. Never helped that no one seemed to mind Magneto exterminating everyone, where were everybody??? Then just to put the cherry on top, hey lets kill Jean Grey and have Wolverine execute Magneto too.

Bah!

Now if he did it right and Magneto went off with his students and truly became a leader of mutants again, slowly building up his forces for a showdown with the X-Men down the line without ANY of that NY extermination nonsense? Fucking brilliant! except that would mean Grant wouldn't get to write it. But what's a better sign of a great run than leaving your successor with such a perfect ready made impossible to fuck up story?

Sure with the deaths of Jean Grey and "Magneto" he set up suitable replacements in Emma Frost and even Polaris but someone at Marvel really needed to put their foot down and say no to him. Clearly they were uncomfortable with the story since Magneto showed up what 6 months later? That means they green-lit his return pretty much exactly when his death hit the racks!!!

Just my 2 cents.


Yeah I pretty much agree with everything that you wrote here.

[bairdduvessa]

seeing how Tiery just seems to love chamber and there were hints that an x-man is going to appear in his WWH miniseries Gamma Coprs...anythoughts on it being chamber?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Didn't Morrison admit he turned in the books late on purpose as part of his plan to make sure they saw print with as little editorial influence as possible? I only picked up what came in to WaldenBooks during that period but I don't think I ever finished an entire issue of Morrison's X-Men. His style and ideas never meshed with what I think the X-Men mythos is all about.

[bairdduvessa]

Didn't Morrison admit he turned in the books late on purpose as part of his plan to make sure they saw print with as little editorial influence as possible? I only picked up what came in to WaldenBooks during that period but I don't think I ever finished an entire issue of Morrison's X-Men. His style and ideas never meshed with what I think the X-Men mythos is all about.

pre fantomex he was pretty good. Everything after, kind of fell apart and he became predictable an weak, then when he had kick as reveals, they would fall apart.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Well he helped re-establish the school segment of the X-Men,built up Emma Frost to such a level i can't even imagine her not being on the team at this point and created one of the great villains of the last decade in Cassandra Nova. I don't even mind him killing Jean Grey and in my perfect Xorn/Magneto story detailed earlier i'd still have Magneto killing Jean Grey except after the battle which tore the Westchester grounds down between the X-Men and Magneto's new Brotherhood.

Secondary Mutations, meh not a fan the ideas not a bad one per se but waiting for random powers to manifest themselves on every mutant around is. When they start manifesting powers that match their namesake or personality Angels healing blood, Emma's a Diamond it gets even worse.

The angle of Mutants overtaking Humanity? Old hat really and i cant blame Grant for at least exploring the angle but the entire point of the X-men is that they're the hated Minority! Sure they're the next step in evolution and thus should overtake humanity but that's a story best left for What If? comics since it would take thousands of years. Not to mention i thought he understood the Minority part since he immediately destroyed Genosha in his first issue so i was always left a lil puzzled by later developments.

Ugly Mutants - Now by their very name you'd expect mutants to be ugly and sometimes they are operative word being sometimes, having tons of them be these goofy looking monsters just screams to the reader hey look more no name Morlock types just waiting to die. Beak was a nice design and the Cuckoos are obviously an exception along with Quentin etc etc but a LOT of background players were the ugly types never to have a real future.

There's more i'm sure but that's all i got for now.

[Ryan F]

That Xorn talk in the X-Men # 200 Cover thread has got me worked up again about Grant Morrison's Magneto.

Okay first Magneto as Xorn was mind-blowing! Period, no question. The internet almost collapsed under it's awesomeness. Reading some columns like Paul O'Briens detailing all the lil hints and clues that Grant layed out made it all the better.

But dear lord ,why did he have to go so far with Crazee Magneto? :( Turning off Professor X's nanites? Cool Beans, setting up execution chambers in the middle of New York to start a second Holocaust? Not so much. Yes he was high on Kick and thus was being affected maybe even outright being controlled by John Sublime but really it threw 3 decades of character development down the drain for no reason other than to give his run some extra importance. Never helped that no one seemed to mind Magneto exterminating everyone, where were everybody??? Then just to put the cherry on top, hey lets kill Jean Grey and have Wolverine execute Magneto too.

Bah!

Now if he did it right and Magneto went off with his students and truly became a leader of mutants again, slowly building up his forces for a showdown with the X-Men down the line without ANY of that NY extermination nonsense? Fucking brilliant! except that would mean Grant wouldn't get to write it. But what's a better sign of a great run than leaving your successor with such a perfect ready made impossible to fuck up story?

Sure with the deaths of Jean Grey and "Magneto" he set up suitable replacements in Emma Frost and even Polaris but someone at Marvel really needed to put their foot down and say no to him. Clearly they were uncomfortable with the story since Magneto showed up what 6 months later? That means they green-lit his return pretty much exactly when his death hit the racks!!!

Just my 2 cents.

Bah, it was just Wanda turning Xorn into Magneto anyway. :scared:

[bairdduvessa]

Well he helped re-establish the school segment of the X-Men,built up Emma Frost to such a level i can't even imagine her not being on the team at this point and created one of the great villains of the last decade in Cassandra Nova. I don't even mind him killing Jean Grey and in my perfect Xorn/Magneto story detailed earlier i'd still have Magneto killing Jean Grey except after the battle which tore the Westchester grounds down between the X-Men and Magneto's new Brotherhood.

Secondary Mutations, meh not a fan the ideas not a bad one per se but waiting for random powers to manifest themselves on every mutant around is. When they start manifesting powers that match their namesake or personality Angels healing blood, Emma's a Diamond it gets even worse.

The angle of Mutants overtaking Humanity? Old hat really and i cant blame Grant for at least exploring the angle but the entire point of the X-men is that they're the hated Minority! Sure they're the next step in evolution and thus should overtake humanity but that's a story best left for What If? comics since it would take thousands of years. Not to mention i thought he understood the Minority part since he immediately destroyed Genosha in his first issue so i was always left a lil puzzled by later developments.

Ugly Mutants - Now by their very name you'd expect mutants to be ugly and sometimes they are operative word being sometimes, having tons of them be these goofy looking monsters just screams to the reader hey look more no name Morlock types just waiting to die. Beak was a nice design and the Cuckoos are obviously an exception along with Quentin etc etc but a LOT of background players were the ugly types never to have a real future.

There's more i'm sure but that's all i got for now.

heh wikipedia names one as "michael jackson lookalike"

[bairdduvessa]

Bah, it was just Wanda turning Xorn into Magneto anyway. :scared:

prepare for the grant lovers to come hun you down

[Vonn Hennigar]

Bah, it was just Wanda turning Xorn into Magneto anyway. :scared:

I could have lived with the resurrected Magneto being a result of Wanda instead of just being the real Magneto hanging out in destroyed Genosha for months on end.

As it stands now though would Magneto would be considered a good guy? At least in the eyes of the X-Men? He worked with Charles in Excalibur Volume 2, House Of M he was a benevolent leader and clearly wasn't in the wrong any more than anyone else and running away from Shield is common these days.

[Ryan F]

I could have lived with the resurrected Magneto being a result of Wanda instead of just being the real Magneto hanging out in destroyed Genosha for months on end.

As it stands now though would Magneto would be considered a good guy? At least in the eyes of the X-Men? He worked with Charles in Excalibur Volume 2, House Of M he was a benevolent leader and clearly wasn't in the wrong any more than anyone else and running away from Shield is common these days.

Well, assuming that Bendis has safely gotten him off the hook for genocidal actions in NYC (which I am personally conflicted on - it steps on a good run and is damn awkward, but it's pretty much necessary for the longterm well being of the character, and maybe even the franchise), I'd say he's pretty frickin' ambiguous. I'd love to see what Carey or Bru would do with him.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

We don't have to worry about Morrison groupies here. DC's the area that considers him a god (and I never got why. 7 Soldiers, all new Atom, and Freedom Fighters anyone?). Marvel and its fans were pretty immune to his charms. Unless they're googling his name like a cut rate stalker they'll never even know we only like a small portion of what he did and thus avoid flaming.

[Vonn Hennigar]

All this talk of Morrison makes me want to see Mike Carey or Ed Brubaker give Sublime another run. Sublime,Kid Omega,Glob Herman,Cassandra Nova (Although Joss Whedon may have the last word on her in Astonishing)

These characters would all work great again with these guys. I want to see Magneto,Mr.Sinister and Apocalypse back trust me but there's no need to not use these ready made guys either somewhere down the road.

[bairdduvessa]

I could have lived with the resurrected Magneto being a result of Wanda instead of just being the real Magneto hanging out in destroyed Genosha for months on end.

As it stands now though would Magneto would be considered a good guy? At least in the eyes of the X-Men? He worked with Charles in Excalibur Volume 2, House Of M he was a benevolent leader and clearly wasn't in the wrong any more than anyone else and running away from Shield is common these days.
depends on the x-man. Cyclops and Wolverine would have him on the Vilan side, where as Charles, Rogue and maybe Angel would see him as Heroic
We don't have to worry about Morrison groupies here. DC's the area that considers him a god (and I never got why. 7 Soldiers, all new Atom, and Freedom Fighters anyone?). Marvel and its fans were pretty immune to his charms. Unless they're googling his name like a cut rate stalker they'll never even know we only like a small portion of what he did and thus avoid flaming.
there are threads and threads about us fanboys arguing abotu him, alot of people on this board seem to worship him

[Ryan F]

All this talk of Morrison makes me want to see Mike Carey or Ed Brubaker give Sublime another run. Sublime,Kid Omega,Glob Herman,Cassandra Nova (Although Joss Whedon may have the last word on her in Astonishing)

These characters would all work great again with these guys. I want to see Magneto,Mr.Sinister and Apocalypse back trust me but there's no need to not use these ready made guys either somewhere down the road.

I always felt that no one at Marvel really understood the Sublime part of new x-men. The guy's apparently been manipulating things for ages (he's behind Weapon Plus). I always thought it'd be interesting to just say Sublime = "That Which Endures" from Byrne's WCA. Then you could even play up the Wanda connection.

It'd tie things up a little neater, but I think that would be considered continuity-navel-gazing by the current Marvel editorial....and they wouldn't really be wrong.

[bairdduvessa]

All this talk of Morrison makes me want to see Mike Carey or Ed Brubaker give Sublime another run. Sublime,Kid Omega,Glob Herman,Cassandra Nova (Although Joss Whedon may have the last word on her in Astonishing)

These characters would all work great again with these guys. I want to see Magneto,Mr.Sinister and Apocalypse back trust me but there's no need to not use these ready made guys either somewhere down the road.

sublime was a reoccuring character in Weapon X and Pheonix: Warsong.

Glob I believe is dead. And Kid Omega has shown up in Both Endsong and Warsong

[bairdduvessa]

wtf lockhead can talk?

[Vonn Hennigar]

sublime was a reoccuring character in Weapon X and Pheonix: Warsong.

Glob I believe is dead. And Kid Omega has shown up in Both Endsong and Warsong

No i know John Sublime is currently alive and well and i heard Kid Omega returned body and all in Warsong just recently.

They need to make themselves known again. I think Glob is still alive though.

Edited - John Sublime's current status, i got him and Kid Omega mixed up there for a second.

[Vonn Hennigar]

One thing about Cassandra Nova, she was trapped in Stuff and contained in the basement right? But what about Ernst? Cassandra Nova took over her body without question, yet in Astonishing Cassandra's trying to get Kitty to free her from her containment box :?

I'm so confused. :(

[bairdduvessa]

No i know John Sublime is currently in Beast's lab and i heard Kid Omega returned body and all in Warsong just recently.

They need to make themselves known again. I think Glob is still alive though.
sublime's in beast' lab? since when? Last anyone saw he took out Wolverine, Zero and Fantomex after getting killed by chamber like 50 times...
One thing about Cassandra Nova, she was trapped in Stuff and contained in the basement right? But what about Ernst? Cassandra Nova took over her body without question, yet in Astonishing Cassandra's trying to get Kitty to free her from her containment box :?

I'm so confused. :(

i think emma trapped her into stuff then created ernst

[Vonn Hennigar]

sublime's in beast' lab? since when? Last anyone saw he took out Wolverine, Zero and Fantomex after getting killed by chamber like 50 times...


i think emma trapped her into stuff then created ernst

No i mixed Sublime up with Kid Omega for a second. KO was in Beast's lab for a while until his recent resurrection.

John Sublime was behind Sabretooths raid on Mr.Sinister and the Children Of The Vault though right? so Mike Carey clearly must have plans for him.

Wait, i don't get the Emma/Ernst thing you're talking about. It was pretty well shown that Cassandra Nova inhabited Ernst's body. Hell it was Specifically stated in Here Comes Tomorrow. I remember Cyclops and Beast even opening up the Containment container and finding it empty post Morrison. Maybe it's just a small portion of her inside Ernst much like a portion of her was hiding in Emma Frost herself but she needs her full "body" to return to full strength.

[bairdduvessa]

No i mixed Sublime up with Kid Omega for a second. KO was in Beast's lab for a while until his recent resurrection.

John Sublime was behind Sabretooths raid on Mr.Sinister and the Children Of The Vault though right? so Mike Carey clearly must have plans for him.

Wait, i don't get the Emma/Ernst thing you're talking about. It was pretty well shown that Cassandra Nova inhabited Ernst's body. Hell it was Specifically stated in Here Comes Tomorrow. I remember Cyclops and Beast even opening up the Containment container and finding it empty post Morrison. Maybe it's just a small portion of her inside Ernst much like a portion of her was hiding in Emma Frost herself but she needs her full "body" to return to full strength.

ok that could be it too!

(and it sounds more logical than my theories)

[artimoff]

wtf lockhead can talk?

In his own language, yes.