The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Spidey616]

Kubert New Mutants variant

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/961/961292/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Kubert New Mutants variant

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/961/961292/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

Wow.

Both Kuberts have stepped up their game so much over the last couple years.

[Treacle]

Kubert New Mutants variant

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/961/961292/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

That's hot.

Though why does Dani have a unibrow?

[BAMF]

Looks like a coloring mistake...like maybe that's supposed to be a bandana.

[Marcdachamp]

The Nightcrawler Museum. Heheheh :D

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2168&disp=table

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2168/prv2168_pg7.jpg

That looks like a lot of fun.

[SpecialK]

X-Force 13 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961950p1.html)

[MabusRex]

X-Force 13 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961950p1.html)

Another issue already? Yay!

[The Roman]

Fever pitch!!!!

[Spidey616]

Other X related title previews for next week including:

Ultimate X-Men #100 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2216&disp=table) FINAL ISSUE!

Uncanny X-Men #507 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2227&disp=table)

Wolverine: Origins #34 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2228&disp=table)

X-Factor #41 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2229&disp=table) Can't wait to find out what's going on with Layla Miller

X-Men: Legacy #222 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2232&disp=table)

X-Men: Kingbreaker #4 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2231&disp=table)

Young X-Men #12 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2233&disp=table) FINAL ISSUE!

[The Roman]

What the heck is going on in that Young X-Men preview . . . :mistrust:


But I too cannot wait to see how Layla is doing.

[The Roman]

Also, I am digging Archangel's Uncanny costume.

[NickT]

Uncanny X-Men #507 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2227&disp=table)

"You're going to die on a half-frozen island halfway between Russia and Japan without a tie, and most certainly without any dignity. Your mother would be very proud."

I like this science team :D

[Fake Pat]

"You're going to die on a half-frozen island halfway between Russia and Japan without a tie, and most certainly without any dignity. Your mother would be very proud."

I like this science team :D

Me too.

Unfortunately it's the only thing in that book that I like.

After that science team only double-sized issue, I am out.

[Kefky]

Same here.

Which is annoying since I gave this book every fucking chance I could. It's like it's not allowed to be great, even with great creators on it. :surrend:

[SpecialK]

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War, part 1: Cable & Hope (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p1.html)

Includes comments from creators, and artwork from the one-shot.

[Spidey616]

That's some nice Choi artwork :cool:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090316024156353.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090316024159103.jpg

[Criden]

That looks really cool.

[Joe Henderson]

Man, Choi's art looks great. I feel like on the 2nd page, though, Wolverine's "I know" line comes too early. I think it should come in the 2nd panel, where X23's claw pops in, transitioning to the panel which shows her revealed. Otherwise, it's two panels until we actually see that he's talking about Laura, and not Hope, and it muddies the humor of it (which is a really good beat).

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20459)

With more bad ass Choi and Crain artwork!

[SpecialK]

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War, day 2: Cyclops and Emma Frost (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p2.html)

[MabusRex]

Damn. You beat me to both stories.

But wow to those X-Force pages in the X-Position interview. Me am scared. Is that Husk?

[SpecialK]

Damn. You beat me to both stories.

But wow to those X-Force pages in the X-Position interview. Me am scared. Is that Husk?

You can't prove that I beat you! It's your word against mine.

I was going to ask who that was too, but I also had to wiki Husk.....so I have no clue.

[MabusRex]

You can't prove that I beat you! It's your word against mine.

I was going to ask who that was too, but I also had to wiki Husk.....so I have no clue.

Also read some people thinking it might be Boom Boom. Uh oh...

[Spidey616]

YIKES! The Leper Queen without her mask :shock:

Can't wait to see the Wither/Selene storyline picked up again

http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFORCE013_Page_5.jpg

[HomerGator]

YIKES! The Leper Queen without her mask :shock:

Can't wait to see the Wither/Selene storyline picked up again

http://comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/messiahwar/XFORCE013_Page_5.jpg

Yeah, it's been a good while since we've seen Wither, hasn't it? I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing what's up with Wither and Selene in the arch after Messiah War. I imagine Warpath, if no one else, isn't going to let the whole 'my dead relatives, including my brother, are currently reanimated corpses infected with the t.o. virus' thing go very easily...

[HOOKS]

Well.

I expected a death at the end of the latest X-FORCE issue.

Just not the death that actually occurred.

Boom Boom goes the dynamite.

[Spidey616]

Yup, sorry to see Tabitha Smith go Boom Bom

Glad to see x-Factor #41 feature the return of Ruby Summers

And looks like Magneto is repowered in Uncanny X-Men

[HomerGator]

ARGH! I might not have time to get to my LCS today! I want to read those spoilers SOOOOOOOO badly!

[SpecialK]

Messiah Complex Prologue preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2255&disp=table)

[HOOKS]

Messiah Complex Prologue preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2255&disp=table)

You mean MESSIAH WAR Chapter One. :D

I like how, if you're not a regular reader of CABLE and X-FORCE, you can jump right from MESSIAH COMPLEX into this story. It makes it easy for those who only follow the big events.

[Spidey616]

Messiah Complex Prologue preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2255&disp=table)

Oh yeah! Just keeps getting better and better the more I see of it :)

[SpecialK]

You mean MESSIAH WAR Chapter One. :D

I like how, if you're not a regular reader of CABLE and X-FORCE, you can jump right from MESSIAH COMPLEX into this story. It makes it easy for those who only follow the big events.

I guess I do mean that....but the CBR article is also calling it the prologue. I think that's what the original solicit says too.

[HomerGator]

Wow, big week for X-Men books. Before I start going over them, I wanted to say that last week's Deadpool was both awesome and hilarious. OK...

Young X-Men- Whatever. I still don't understand why they cancelled New X-Men.

X-Men: Legacy- Good stuff. The best issue of the arc so far, I think. Continuity! galore in this issue, so for long-time X-Men fans like myself, this issue was full of 'oh, hey!' moments. I really like the Shi'Ar group.

Wolverine (Old Man Logan)- Holy shit, but this story is cool. Some unexpected characters show up and the art's great and it's full of fanboy moments (Venom T-Rex!) but it looks like things are about to get reeeeallly ugly.

Wolverine: Origins- Doug Braithwaite is awesome. I have a feeling that Daken will never be this badass in Dark Avengers, because if he was Osborn wouldn't need the rest of them. He'd just point this psycho at whoever.

Uncanny X-Men: Best issue so far. Warren really has been getting a lot of 'screen time' lately, between this book and X-Force, and that makes me happy. If only Iceman would show up... I know a lot of us have said this before, and more than once, but the science team is awesome. The ending was a bit sappy, but then the last two pages... uh-oh.

X-Force- Wow. I expect Cyclops is going to have some very angry X-Force members to speak with/defend himself from when they get back... That ending was definitely a 'holy shit' moment.

[MabusRex]

X-Force ending was so effin' brutal.

At first, I was very pissed and kinda disappointed in Kyle and Yost. Almost felt like a needless death, but then I thought about it some more, about the beats the story hit and hopefully WILL hit afterwards, and I think it works. We shall see but as a story unto itself, WOW. Kick! Ass!

[Dan Lombardo]

I am so pissed off with Astonishing X-Men.

Ellis and Bianchi had ages before their run began to get a lead on some issues.

Last issues were released October 2008, then Jan 2009, and now we're getting solicit for the next issue maybe April.

The most The Twelve was ever late was 1 month. And yet that's been given a 'hiatus' status.

Anyone know what the deal is?

[Fake Pat]

If Old Man Logan wasn't so close to finishing, I woulda dropped it yesterday.

Such a disappointing story.

[HomerGator]

X-Force ending was so effin' brutal.

At first, I was very pissed and kinda disappointed in Kyle and Yost. Almost felt like a needless death, but then I thought about it some more, about the beats the story hit and hopefully WILL hit afterwards, and I think it works. We shall see but as a story unto itself, WOW. Kick! Ass!

That's pretty much how I felt. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone, but that character has been around, and in some of my favorite comics, since I started reading them (back in 1990.... that seems so long ago now). At first I felt like said character was kind of cheated in this issue, but after a few minutes thinking about it, if Kyle/Yost keep doing what they've been doing with X-Force (and any X-Men books they touch, really) this will most certainly be addressed, and will most likely lead to some rather intense conflicts, especially with Cyke.

I love the X-Men books right now.

[HOOKS]

The character's been around since the early days of the original X-FACTOR, so yeah, their fate was real brutal.

And that character's ties to Cable, Domino, and Warpath (not to mention current X-Men member Cannonball) will certainly make the aftermath of MESSIAH WAR interesting to watch.

One thing about the X-Books I really like since MESSIAH COMPLEX is how the books are interconnected in a way that reading all of the main titles affected by and spun-off from the event (UNCANNY X-MEN, X-FORCE, CABLE) gives you a big, epic scope of things with the character beats hitting at the right point, the plots moving along at a brisk pace, and the overall arcs feeling they are headed together to a logical place. Where that place is, we don't know yet, but the journey has certainly been worth it.

Oh, and the Science Team need a series of their own, stat.

[Arion]

If Old Man Logan wasn't so close to finishing, I woulda dropped it yesterday.

Such a disappointing story.

It's not so bad and the art has been magnificent.

[Spidey616]

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War Day 3 Stryfe (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p3.html)

Talk about an unlikely team up :shock:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090319094910682.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090319094903182.jpg

[The Roman]

Bishop, I still wuv you!

[SpecialK]

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War Day 3 Stryfe (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p3.html)

Talk about an unlikely team up :shock:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090319094910682.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090319094903182.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090319094907698.jpg

This image is god damn fantastic....too bad the spikes still seem out of place.

[Fake Pat]

I like how they seem to be playing "you know who" as both a major threat and a complete moron.

And I still love Olivetti.

[Plainview]

The character's been around since the early days of the original X-FACTOR, so yeah, their fate was real brutal.

And that character's ties to Cable, Domino, and Warpath (not to mention current X-Men member Cannonball) will certainly make the aftermath of MESSIAH WAR interesting to watch.


And IIRC, who brought her to X-factor was Cyke himself, wasn't it? While I hate the idea of her being dead, Kyle & Yost chose the right character to cause a big impact on almost everyone, Scott himself included.

[HomerGator]

Bishop, I still wuv you!

Heh. I was jus thinking that I still like Bishop, too, and think the writers have done a really good job of coming up with a way for him to be a 'villain', but at tthe same time, his end goal is heroic in it's own way. Plus, it's nice for Cable to have a serious rival other than ol' pointy hat (who I love, don't get me wrong).

[Arion]

Well, I finally read X-Factor 40 and I thought it was a very good issue. And I even had some fun reading the first page in which Peter David ask fans not to spoil the story to others in the Internet.

[Spidey616]

Cable & Deadpool reunion! JOY! :D

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War Deadpool (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p4.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035042379.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035045801.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035034129.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035038707.jpg

[Joe Henderson]

That is some good shit right there. Choi's knocking it out of the park, and "are you a telepath now?" is fucking hilarious.

[Magnum V.I.]

:rock: Those pages look sexy.

[augie680]

That is some good shit right there. Choi's knocking it out of the park, and "are you a telepath now?" is fucking hilarious.

Yeah that's a great line, and the art is astounding.

Really excited for this all now.

[NickT]

X-Force ending was so effin' brutal.

At first, I was very pissed and kinda disappointed in Kyle and Yost. Almost felt like a needless death, but then I thought about it some more, about the beats the story hit and hopefully WILL hit afterwards, and I think it works. We shall see but as a story unto itself, WOW. Kick! Ass!
To be honest, if it wasn't for the fact that I read Cable so I might as well at least carry on through the crossover, I'd probably have dropped X-Force after this issue.

It's the third death in three issues, and this is maybe the first to have any weight. Even then, it probably wont be that big an event since they wont even see Cyclops for a few months.

Also, I'm really not digging what is going on with Cyclops. It just doesn't feel like the same character that we had for the last few years. It doesn't even feel like character devlopment, more like a different character.


And finally, it's messed with any future Nextwave :(

[NickT]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035034129.jpg


:lol:

[Kurt Russell Crowe]

So is Vanisher a member of X-Force now?Thats pretty cool.

[Lanowar]

:lol:

Got to admit it's creepy seeing his eye through the mask, its a nice effect but still is quite creepy. Looking forward to seeing Deadpool pop up in Messiah War thats for sure.

[MabusRex]

OK. That's just too many scenes referring to Dom's luck powers. She SO doesn't have them anymore. I can feel it.

[SpecialK]

Cable & Deadpool reunion! JOY! :D

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War Deadpool (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p4.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035042379.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035045801.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035034129.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090320035038707.jpg

It seems like they've released every page from the prologue already...or at least half. We just have to put it in order!

EDIT: 18 unique pages, so far.

OK. That's just too many scenes referring to Dom's luck powers. She SO doesn't have them anymore. I can feel it.

How would she have lost them? She has used them for pretty obvious and ridiculous things since M-Day, so it can't be that.

[Joe Henderson]

OK. That's just too many scenes referring to Dom's luck powers. She SO doesn't have them anymore. I can feel it.

I'd assume it's more making sure to establish them so that when she uses them, they make sense. Since they aren't an overt power, like eye laser beams, you need to figure out a way to convey 'she's able to do this because she's lucky'.

[The Roman]

Yeah that is some damn fine art. Especially on Deadpool.

[The Roman]

To be honest, if it wasn't for the fact that I read Cable so I might as well at least carry on through the crossover, I'd probably have dropped X-Force after this issue.

It's the third death in three issues, and this is maybe the first to have any weight. Even then, it probably wont be that big an event since they wont even see Cyclops for a few months.

Also, I'm really not digging what is going on with Cyclops. It just doesn't feel like the same character that we had for the last few years. It doesn't even feel like character devlopment, more like a different character.


And finally, it's messed with any future Nextwave :(



Seeing as I've always hated the character, and the ending actually had me feeling sorry for "this character" despite my hatred of "this character" I'm a bit torn.


As for your comment, "this character" could be replaced in that series. Plenty of characters to replace them with.

[Santana]

Seeing as I've always hated the character, and the ending actually had me feeling sorry for "this character" despite my hatred of "this character" I'm a bit torn.


As for your comment, "this character" could be replaced in that series. Plenty of characters to replace them with.


Do you understand what he said? Having to replace that character is messing with it.

[The Roman]

Do you understand what he said? Having to replace that character is messing with it.

Well that depends on his particular use of the phrase "messes with"


If he meant that it messes with the chance of the series ever returning, I was supplying an alternative opinion to that. If he meant that it messed with any possible new return of this series, well, even if the series came back, they could make it work. And seeing as this series is sort of half-in/half-out of Marvel continuity, who says they wouldn' bring "this character" back in some shape or form?

[Santana]

Well that depends on his particular use of the phrase "messes with"


If he meant that it messes with the chance of the series ever returning, I was supplying an alternative opinion to that. If he meant that it messed with any possible new return of this series, well, even if the series came back, they could make it work. And seeing as this series is sort of half-in/half-out of Marvel continuity, who says they wouldn' bring "this character" back in some shape or form?


"messes with any return" were his words. Any return would have to factor it in.

[hotdogdownahallway]

I'm not sure I could stand Greg Land on Uncanny, may have to drop.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I like land more than Dodson so the next few issues will be heaven for me but I don't think either artist is a great fit for this team. 'Course, with the all over the map with no focus style of storytelling is there an artist who would be right?

[Fake Pat]

I'm dropping UXM on Wednesday.

Just can't justify it anymore, especially with all the DC stuff I'm adding over the next few months.

[Weasel21385]

Isn't that the last issue?

Oh, nevermind I thought you meant Ultimate X-Men.

[leviathan]

I'm dropping UXM on Wednesday.

Just can't justify it anymore, especially with all the DC stuff I'm adding over the next few months.

I'm only reading alternate arcs now. Can't stand Greg Land's artwork.

I figure I can pick up on anything that might have happened in the recap pages. Hell, may even switch to trade-only but I'm afraid they might try to package Land arcs with Dodson arcs so gonna hold off on that idea for a little while.

[Spidey616]

Advance X-Solicitations, June 2009 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20515)

Lot of good stuff for June. Dark Avengers/X-Men crossover one-shot, 2x Uncanny X-Men, Cap Britain Annual, and so much more.

As the solicit says, cover for Uncanny X-Men #511 speaks for itself

http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200906/118_UNCANNY_X_MEN_511.jpg

[NickT]

Love the Uncanny 512 cover :D

[leviathan]

Advance X-Solicitations, June 2009 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20515)

Lot of good stuff for June. Dark Avengers/X-Men crossover one-shot, 2x Uncanny X-Men, Cap Britain Annual, and so much more.

As the solicit says, cover for Uncanny X-Men #511 speaks for itself

http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200906/118_UNCANNY_X_MEN_511.jpg

Fucking hell. If that means what I think it does, damn you Marvel!!

I love that character but its too much to expect me to sit through Greg Land artwork in the hope of an appearance.

[Plainview]

Actually, the cover doesn't speak by itself at all.

And anyway the cover for #512 already reveals which is the character coming back in this issue. And it's not Jean Grey.

[Ryan F]

Love the Uncanny 512 cover :D

Steampunk X-Men....twice in one year!

I already love Uncanny 512 in advance.

[The Roman]

Is that who I think it is on the cover of UXM #512?! :ecstatic:

[NickT]

Is that who I think it is on the cover of UXM #512?! :ecstatic:
No, it's Angel.

[The Roman]

No, it's Angel.

Quiet you! Let me nerd-out in peace!!! :D

[Fake Pat]

The X-books are pretty much the only thing I'm getting from Marvel in June.

6 out of 8.

[The Roman]

By the way, that is a whole damn lot of Wolverine for just one month, jeez.


He's pretty much in every single book mentioned there.

[Spidey616]

And X-Force takes the stage at IGN

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War: Wolverine & X-Force (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p6.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024437436.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024140863.jpg

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http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024138175.jpg

[The Roman]

Now THAT is a Splash page.


Also, I like the art, but why does Josh look like he's eaten way too many carrots?

[SpecialK]

And X-Force takes the stage at IGN

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War: Wolverine & X-Force (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p6.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024437436.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024140863.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024135254.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090324024138175.jpg

New background. And now I think we have everything except the last scene. We'll see tomorrow!

EDIT: Also, the last Dogs of War is Thursday, so I'm guessing it is someone who is revealed in the prologue tomorrow. I'm going to guess Apocalypse

[Spidey616]

Next week in Cable, the reunion a lot of fans have been waiting for. CABLE & DEADPOOL!

Cable #13 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/966/966330p1.html)

[SpecialK]

X-Men: Messiah War - The Dogs of War: Return of Apocalypse? (http://comics.ign.com/articles/962/962889p7.html)

Looks like I was right, maybe.

[RoShambo]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090326032557743.jpg

I was looking for this thread to post the link, but for some reason I could only find 4 pages, and the Search function kept timing out on me.

I haven't seen the prologue from yesterday yet.
Did he appear there at all?

[SpecialK]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090326032557743.jpg

I was looking for this thread to post the link, but for some reason I could only find 4 pages, and the Search function kept timing out on me.

I haven't seen the prologue from yesterday yet.
Did he appear there at all?

No, but Bishop promises to give him to Stryfe. That image and all of "Stryfe's Strike Files" are at the end of the prologue.

[RoShambo]

No, but Bishop promises to give him to Stryfe. That image and all of "Stryfe's Strike Files" are at the end of the prologue.

Nice.
I read somewhere that there was one for Deadpool as well?

[SpecialK]

Nice.
I read somewhere that there was one for Deadpool as well?

http://i42.tinypic.com/6ih9iq.jpg

[RoShambo]

Awesome.
THANKS!

[Spidey616]

Nice. Can't wait to see what's coming up for Warren in Messiah War especially after this cover :hrsmndth:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090326032603165.jpg

[RoShambo]

Oh wow.
I thought there was something there that I was missing.
I just noticed the reflection of Apocalypse.

[Arion]

By the way, that is a whole damn lot of Wolverine for just one month, jeez.


He's pretty much in every single book mentioned there.

I know, but so far we haven't heard about "character fatigue" so...

[rwsmith]

http://i42.tinypic.com/6ih9iq.jpg

Is there a large image like that of Wolverine's strike file? I saw his over on Marvel.com, but the image is smaller. It's a great illustration of him.

[~Spider-man~]

It's been awhile since I've gotten excited to read future issues of Uncanny X-Men. I'm really enjoying what Fraction is doing in the X universe. It feels a bit like a homecoming reading a good X-book again.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Did Kingbreaker feel very DC to anyone else? It wasn't so much a story as moving characters from Place A to Place B. Aside from Goardians of the Galaxy it's the weakest point to War of Kings so far. Maybe the Annihilation office should have handled it?

[HomerGator]

Nice. Can't wait to see what's coming up for Warren in Messiah War especially after this cover :hrsmndth:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/962/962889/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090326032603165.jpg

Ohhhhhhhhh yeah.

[rwsmith]

Cable, X-Force, Apocalypse, Stryfe, Archangel...feels like X-Cutioner's Song all over again. I wonder if anything major will come out of this, though. I would say it seems pretty obvious that Cable will sacrifice himself to save Hope and the rest of X-Force, but that would be almost the exact same ending as X-Cutioner's Song. So for that reason I think we're in store for something different.

I just hope the end result is a change in direction for Cable's new book. He needs to be back in the present with the X-men IMO. I think it would be cool if somehow, since Cable has gotten so old and powerless in the future, he was able to muster up his last bit of psionic power and swap bodies with Stryfe (thus making him younger and re-powered at the same time). And then he could simply kill his old body with Stryfe trapped inside of it. That might be a cool ending IMO, though I'm not sure I want Cable to be as powerful as Stryfe is. I tend to prefer characters who aren't uber-powerful.

[Spidey616]

And the Messiah War Prologue is a hit with a 2nd printing scheduled for April 29th featuring Mike Choi's interior art

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0903/30/xforcecable.jpg

[Howlett]

And the Messiah War Prologue is a hit with a 2nd printing scheduled for April 29th featuring Mike Choi's interior art

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Don't get me a bit wrong here. I loved the opening chapter, and I fucking LOVE Choi's art there.

But I am sick to fucking death of these reprintings using interior art for the covers. They look beyond lame :?

"Hey guys! Here's a reprint of that issue that sold out for any of you that missed it... oh, sorry by the way. We couldn't be bothered coming up with a new cover, or even slightly changing the old one to make it seem a bit different. Nah, we're just going to recycle some artwork that's already in the issue itself. Excuse me now, we're going to go make 70 Wolverine appreciation variant covers for books he's never even BEEN in..."

[markgrayson]

Don't get me a bit wrong here. I loved the opening chapter, and I fucking LOVE Choi's art there.

But I am sick to fucking death of these reprintings using interior art for the covers. They look beyond lame :?

"Hey guys! Here's a reprint of that issue that sold out for any of you that missed it... oh, sorry by the way. We couldn't be bothered coming up with a new cover, or even slightly changing the old one to make it seem a bit different. Nah, we're just going to recycle some artwork that's already in the issue itself. Excuse me now, we're going to go make 70 Wolverine appreciation variant covers for books he's never even BEEN in..."

I feel exactly the same way. It's kind of lazy. I'm can accept them not always expecting to sell out, but this is something that seems like they could have planned ahead for. Especially because it's a crossover.

[Howlett]

I feel exactly the same way. It's kind of lazy. I'm can accept them not always expecting to sell out, but this is something that seems like they could have planned ahead for. Especially because it's a crossover.

Not only that, but I mean, for fuck sakes, the 1st printing HAD two covers! One by Choi and one by Kaare Andrews. A third in reserve for a possible second printing would've been too much to ask? Hell, I'm sure if a second printing wasn't required, they could find someway to use the cover.

I'm sure they could find place for an X-Force cover on SOME book... New Mutants perhaps...

[markgrayson]

Not only that, but I mean, for fuck sakes, the 1st printing HAD two covers! One by Choi and one by Kaare Andrews. A third in reserve for a possible second printing would've been too much to ask? Hell, I'm sure if a second printing wasn't required, they could find someway to use the cover.

I'm sure they could find place for an X-Force cover on SOME book... New Mutants perhaps...

:lol:

I didn't know about the 2 covers for the first print. Now it seems even worse that they didn't make another one to slap on the book. :-?

[Howlett]

:lol:

I didn't know about the 2 covers for the first print. Now it seems even worse that they didn't make another one to slap on the book. :-?

Seriously. I mean, Christ, there are some books coming out getting variants for reasons I can't even figure out. And they're FULL variants. Not just interior art. Every issue of Agents of Atlas so far has gotten one. We had the zombie/ apes variants. We had the villain variants recently, the Wolverine ones coming in a month or so. The 70th anniversary Marvel ones.

One poxy cover for a reprint of a book that sold so well they need to make more is too much to ask?

[NickT]

Don't get me a bit wrong here. I loved the opening chapter, and I fucking LOVE Choi's art there.

But I am sick to fucking death of these reprintings using interior art for the covers. They look beyond lame :?

"Hey guys! Here's a reprint of that issue that sold out for any of you that missed it... oh, sorry by the way. We couldn't be bothered coming up with a new cover, or even slightly changing the old one to make it seem a bit different. Nah, we're just going to recycle some artwork that's already in the issue itself. Excuse me now, we're going to go make 70 Wolverine appreciation variant covers for books he's never even BEEN in..."
I can understand why they do it, but I do feel a bit dissapointed we don't get some cool new art.


Do another Wolverine art appreciation covers! Love them :)

[Ryan F]

Did Kingbreaker feel very DC to anyone else? It wasn't so much a story as moving characters from Place A to Place B. Aside from Goardians of the Galaxy it's the weakest point to War of Kings so far. Maybe the Annihilation office should have handled it?

Yeah, it's amazing how little that storyline has moved. X-Starjammers get captured. X-Starjammers escape. Two minis for that? I get the feeling that Yost is doing the best he can with some very constrictive remits.

What the hell was with the Phoenix thing though? That seemed like potentially a very big deal.

[SpecialK]

Don't get me a bit wrong here. I loved the opening chapter, and I fucking LOVE Choi's art there.

But I am sick to fucking death of these reprintings using interior art for the covers. They look beyond lame :?

"Hey guys! Here's a reprint of that issue that sold out for any of you that missed it... oh, sorry by the way. We couldn't be bothered coming up with a new cover, or even slightly changing the old one to make it seem a bit different. Nah, we're just going to recycle some artwork that's already in the issue itself. Excuse me now, we're going to go make 70 Wolverine appreciation variant covers for books he's never even BEEN in..."

Would you rather they just change the background colour like with the Obama ones?

[Howlett]

Would you rather they just change the background colour like with the Obama ones?

Y'know, that would actually annoy me less than reusing a splash page or double page spread as a cover.

But no. I'd actually prefer they just give it an all new cover. I mean, they seem to love doing that ANYWAY for no reason for regular issues. One more would kill them? To me interior art just never looks right as a cover. I haven't seen one comic so far that's done it that would make me want to buy the comic in question.

[billthomason]

Can someone put up a full list of all the TPB of the X-men universe post MC? I'm having a tough time keeping up with all the cross titles and stories and where they end up in trades.

[SpecialK]

X-Force and Cable Go to War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/967/967827p1.html)

IGN is covering the shit out of this crossover...

[The Goddamn Schweitz!]

Hey, I saw in the solicits that for X-Men Legacy for...June? It said that Legacy comes to an end...does this mean the titles ending or will it just become a regular x-team book again? Anyone know? I didn't see anything posted on it, but I could'a missed it. Thanks!

[Howlett]

Hey, I saw in the solicits that for X-Men Legacy for...June? It said that Legacy comes to an end...does this mean the titles ending or will it just become a regular x-team book again? Anyone know? I didn't see anything posted on it, but I could'a missed it. Thanks!

The title is ending as "X-Men Legacy" and continuing as whatever Carey continues it as. But it is continuing on as normal. Legacy was always meant as just a phase of the book.

[The Goddamn Schweitz!]

The title is ending as "X-Men Legacy" and continuing as whatever Carey continues it as. But it is continuing on as normal. Legacy was always meant as just a phase of the book.

Okay cool. So Carey will still be on the book too then. I gotta say, I was noticing, when Scott Eaton started on the book, I really thought he was kind of plain. Not really bad, but didn't stand out for me. But recently, I've really been enjoying his work a lot more. So as odd as I feel saying this; I really hope he stays on the title...and I also really hope it becomes a team book again...a kick-ass team book. Thanks for the info!

[billthomason]

Can someone put up a full list of all the TPB of the X-men universe post MC? I'm having a tough time keeping up with all the cross titles and stories and where they end up in trades.
I think I was able to do it. Let me know if anything is missing.

MESSIAH COMPLEX (492-494, 205-207, 25-27)
DIVIDED WE STAND (one shots)
X-INFERNUS (one shots, X-Infernus 1-4)

UNCANNY
- Divided We Stand (495-499)
- Manifest Destiny (500-503, FCBD X-Men, MD: Dazzler, Karma, X-23, Colossus, Emma Frost, Graymalkin, Juggernaut)
- Manifest Destiny (Wolverine MD 1-4, MD: Nightcrawler, Iceman, Boom Boom, Avalanche)
- Lovelorn (504-507, Annual)

X-MEN
- Legacy: Divided He Stands (208-212)
- Legacy: Sins of the Father (213-216, one shots)
- Original Sin (217-218, Wolverine Origins 28-30, Original Sin one shot)

X-FACTOR
- Only Game in Town (28-32, one shot)
- Secret Invasion (33-38, She Hulk 31)

X-FORCE
- Angels and Demons (1-6)
- Old Ghosts (7-10)

CABLE
- Messiah War (1-5)
- Waiting for the End of the World (6-10, King Size Cable)
- Cable and Bishop (Life and Times of Lucas Bishop 1-3, Cable 11-12)

YOUNG X-MEN
- Final Genesis (1-5)
- Book of Revelations (6-12, MD Graymalkin)

SECRET INVASION: X-MEN (1-4)
MAGNETO TESTAMENT (1-5)

DEADPOOL
- Secret Invasion (1-5)

[MabusRex]

I require an X-Force OHC. REQUIRE.

That, or a NXM Omnibus.
Jen G, where ever you are, make it happen!

[rwsmith]

X-Force and Cable Go to War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/967/967827p1.html)

IGN is covering the shit out of this crossover...

And I love it! Hopefully the next interview with Duane Swiercynski will drop some hints as to Cable's future. They seem to be teeing it up for him to die some heroic death (particularly with the constant references to how old he is now), but IMO that would be too similar to the ending of X-Cutioner's Song.

I'm intrigued as to what will happen to my second favorite X-character after this crossover. :scared:

[Spidey616]

In case anyone didn't already see this-

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/7462new_storyimage8684953_full.jpg

[Spidey616]

Been awhile since AXM came out, but here's a preview for the penultimate issur for ghost boxes

Astonishing X-Men #29 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2353&disp=table)

[Howlett]

In case anyone didn't already see this-

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/7462new_storyimage8684953_full.jpg

Okay, REALLY wasn't expecting Daken to end up on an x-team. At least not THIS soon.

And Namor? Urgh... bollocks.

Not impressed by the team so far, but I'll read it most likely. I'm more than willing to be convinced this is a good team.

[The Roman]

Come on, I've been waiting for Cloak & Dagger to be X-Men for YEARS!!! Don't ruin this for me Howlett! Don't you DARE!!!


Plus I hear it's gonna be written by Carey. If anyone can do something with this team, it's Carey.

[NickT]

I think I was able to do it. Let me know if anything is missing.

MESSIAH COMPLEX (492-494, 205-207, 25-27)
DIVIDED WE STAND (one shots)
X-INFERNUS (one shots, X-Infernus 1-4)

UNCANNY
- Divided We Stand (495-499)
- Manifest Destiny (500-503, FCBD X-Men, MD: Dazzler, Karma, X-23, Colossus, Emma Frost, Graymalkin, Juggernaut)
- Manifest Destiny (Wolverine MD 1-4, MD: Nightcrawler, Iceman, Boom Boom, Avalanche)
- Lovelorn (504-507, Annual)

X-MEN
- Legacy: Divided He Stands (208-212)
- Legacy: Sins of the Father (213-216, one shots)
- Original Sin (217-218, Wolverine Origins 28-30, Original Sin one shot)

X-FACTOR
- Only Game in Town (28-32, one shot)
- Secret Invasion (33-38, She Hulk 31)

X-FORCE
- Angels and Demons (1-6)
- Old Ghosts (7-10)

CABLE
- Messiah War (1-5)
- Waiting for the End of the World (6-10, King Size Cable)
- Cable and Bishop (Life and Times of Lucas Bishop 1-3, Cable 11-12)

YOUNG X-MEN
- Final Genesis (1-5)
- Book of Revelations (6-12, MD Graymalkin)

SECRET INVASION: X-MEN (1-4)
MAGNETO TESTAMENT (1-5)

DEADPOOL
- Secret Invasion (1-5)
Firstly, Magneto Testament MIGHT be out of continuity, not 100% as I didn't read it.


Also, you missed:

WOLVERINE: Get Mystique (Wolverine 62-65)
WOLVERINE: Manifest Destinty (1-4)


First one is definately in trade, saw it on Amazon checking it. Second might not be, but it has completed singles-wise.

[leviathan]

Okay, REALLY wasn't expecting Daken to end up on an x-team. At least not THIS soon.

And Namor? Urgh... bollocks.

Not impressed by the team so far, but I'll read it most likely. I'm more than willing to be convinced this is a good team.

I think its finally time for X-23, Wolverine and Daken to have a team-up book. They could call it: Bringing Up Howlett.

Imagine Daken as Bart, Wolverine as Homer and X-23 as Lisa and you have a pretty good idea of where my brain is right now.

[Marcdachamp]

I require an X-Force OHC. REQUIRE.

That, or a NXM Omnibus.
Jen G, where ever you are, make it happen!

I'm REALLY hoping the X-Force mini by Dell'Otto gets an OHC. Even if the story sucks (it won't), the art will be amazing.

[NickT]

I'm REALLY hoping the X-Force mini by Dell'Otto gets an OHC. Even if the story sucks (it won't), the art will be amazing.
Isn't it a oneshot?

[Weasel21385]

Couldn't they atleast add Gambit or Rogue? They can follow Professor X out of this final arc of Legacy.

[Howlett]

Come on, I've been waiting for Cloak & Dagger to be X-Men for YEARS!!! Don't ruin this for me Howlett! Don't you DARE!!!


Plus I hear it's gonna be written by Carey. If anyone can do something with this team, it's Carey.
Did I say anything about Cloak & Dazz... I mean, Dagger? Nope. Not a thing :p

Them two, I don't care about either way. If they're cool, excellent. If not, won't matter much to me. I don't read anything with them unless they guest star in something I already read.
I think its finally time for X-23, Wolverine and Daken to have a team-up book. They could call it: Bringing Up Howlett.

Imagine Daken as Bart, Wolverine as Homer and X-23 as Lisa and you have a pretty good idea of where my brain is right now.

So help me god, if Marvel ever does this, I'm finding you... :mad:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

So Cloak and Dagger are mutants this week?

[The Roman]

Did I say anything about Cloak & Dazz... I mean, Dagger? Nope. Not a thing :p



Watch it mister! :mad:

[The Roman]

So Cloak and Dagger are mutants this week?

They've been mutants for awhile, to my knowledge.

[Howlett]

So Cloak and Dagger are mutants this week?
I'm not sure of their exact nature, since I don't like them enough to read their old stuff (or even their bios) but the X-Men don't actually require someone to be a mutant to be on the team.

Longshot is the main one I can think of right off the top of my head.
Watch it mister! :mad:

What? What'd I say? :innocent:

[The Roman]

I'm not sure of their exact nature, since I don't like them enough to read their old stuff (or even their bios) but the X-Men don't actually require someone to be a mutant to be on the team.

Longshot is the main one I can think of right off the top of my head.



The current explanation (read:excuse) is that the drugs they took awakened their dormant x-genes.

Also: Binary and Omega Sentinel.

[Howlett]

The current explanation (read:excuse) is that the drugs they took awakened their dormant x-genes.

Also: Binary and Omega Sentinel.

Juggernaut too, come to think of it.

[The Roman]

Juggernaut too, come to think of it.

Oh yeah . . . where IS Juggernaut, by the way? He really should be in Dark X-Men.

[NickT]

Oh yeah . . . where IS Juggernaut, by the way? He really should be in Dark X-Men.
Last we saw him he was in bed, so I guess he's napping.





Does make me wonder what this book is going to be though. I can't imagine Rogue and Gambit will be nowhere, and Juggernaut is pretty big. Makes me wonder if this is the Hitch and/or Brubaker book, and Carey will be using those characters elsewhere.

[The Roman]

Last we saw him he was in bed, so I guess he's napping.



Did he show up in Legacy at all? I don't recall him doing so . . .

[Howlett]

Did he show up in Legacy at all? I don't recall him doing so . . .

He showed up for an issue sometime around the Wolverine Origins crossover. Completely bad again from the looks of it (the only part of Carey's run I have flat out fucking hated actually).

[Spidey616]

Did he show up in Legacy at all? I don't recall him doing so . . .

A few months ago in X-Men Legacy #219

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/938/938260/x-men-legacy-20081212080927164.jpg

[NickT]

Did he show up in Legacy at all? I don't recall him doing so . . .
Two issues, think just before the current arc, and he BRIEFLY appeared near the start.

[The Roman]

Ahh, I skipped that whole story arc.

[NickT]

He showed up for an issue sometime around the Wolverine Origins crossover. Completely bad again from the looks of it (the only part of Carey's run I have flat out fucking hated actually).
I thought he was an interesting good guy, or at least grey-area character.

[Howlett]

I thought he was an interesting good guy, or at least grey-area character.

Me too. It's just about the only part of Chuck Austen's run I loved. The work he did with Juggernaut (and Northstar actually) was fucking stellar. Having Juggy go from trying to redeem (and doing a bloody good job of it too) to deciding "Eh, fuck it. I'll just be completely evil again..." was some of the worst writing I've seen in a LONG bloody time.

Considering how much I love Carey's run, it's shocking to me that I can say that.

[The Roman]

I thought he was an interesting good guy, or at least grey-area character.

As far as I'm concerned, my life is complete as soon as someone has him say "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" in an appearance.

[The Roman]

Me too. It's just about the only part of Chuck Austen's run I loved. The work he did with Juggernaut (and Northstar actually) was fucking stellar. Having Juggy go from trying to redeem (and doing a bloody good job of it too) to deciding "Eh, fuck it. I'll just be completely evil again..." was some of the worst writing I've seen in a LONG bloody time.

Considering how much I love Carey's run, it's shocking to me that I can say that.

Same! I actually was liking Juggs as a good guy (or as was stated, grey-area guy) and I think Northstar works well as an X-Man. Of course, with Aurora back, who knows what's going on there. How long until Alpha Flight returns long enough to get cancelled again?

[Howlett]

As far as I'm concerned, my life is complete as soon as someone has him say "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" in an appearance.

I hope to god your life is never complete then.

[The Roman]

I hope to god your life is never complete then.

I do plan on living forever.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Mimic was another non-mutant X-Man but Cloak and Dagger have gone back and forth in status for years, most of it in reference material, not story. Does anyone recall any in-story statements as to their mutant/latent mutant status? Frankly I like them better in the mutate status but if this is a Dark X-Men in the same style as Dark Avengers, it wouldn't even be the real Cloak and Dagger to begin with, would it?

[The Roman]

Mimic was another non-mutant X-Man but Cloak and Dagger have gone back and forth in status for years, most of it in reference material, not story. Does anyone recall any in-story statements as to their mutant/latent mutant status? Frankly I like them better in the mutate status but if this is a Dark X-Men in the same style as Dark Avengers, it wouldn't even be the real Cloak and Dagger to begin with, would it?


That would explain Cloak's rocking new do.


And I seem to recall Cloak mentioning the fact the narcotics didn't give them their powers, only awakened them, in the Runaways in New York story arc in Vol. 2.

[Arion]

That would explain Cloak's rocking new do.


And I seem to recall Cloak mentioning the fact the narcotics didn't give them their powers, only awakened them, in the Runaways in New York story arc in Vol. 2.

Yes, but this subject was never brought up in the Cloak and Dagger miniseries.

[SpecialK]

Isn't it a oneshot?

I think it's 3 issues. We're talking about Sex and Violence, right?

[Marcdachamp]

Me too. It's just about the only part of Chuck Austen's run I loved. The work he did with Juggernaut (and Northstar actually) was fucking stellar. Having Juggy go from trying to redeem (and doing a bloody good job of it too) to deciding "Eh, fuck it. I'll just be completely evil again..." was some of the worst writing I've seen in a LONG bloody time.

Considering how much I love Carey's run, it's shocking to me that I can say that.

I still hate that they undid it. Bull shit. Character development isn't a crime.

[NickT]

I think it's 3 issues. We're talking about Sex and Violence, right?
Yes, and I checked and you're right.

[MabusRex]

I still hate that they undid it. Bull shit. Character development isn't a crime.

Quoted for truth!
I always argued that if there NEEDED to be an evil Juggernaut in the MU then Cytorrak should have just made another person his avatar on Earth. That way Cain could have a nemesis and other heroes could have someone to kick their asses once in a while.

Tried passing this idea to Chuck when he was writing the book and unfortunately he came up with the Trail of the Juggernaut plot with a mutant (heh, originally it was supposed to be named after me) who just impersonated him. Not really what I had in mind and, judging from the reaction, didn't quite find its audience.

I really wish Chuck had had the opportunity to launch his solo Juggernaut book like he wanted to. :(

[Marcdachamp]

Quoted for truth!
I always argued that if there NEEDED to be an evil Juggernaut in the MU then Cytorrak should have just made another person his avatar on Earth. That way Cain could have a nemesis and other heroes could have someone to kick their asses once in a while.

Tried passing this idea to Chuck when he was writing the book and unfortunately he came up with the Trail of the Juggernaut plot with a mutant (heh, originally it was supposed to be named after me) who just impersonated him. Not really what I had in mind and, judging from the reaction, didn't quite find its audience.

I really wish Chuck had had the opportunity to launch his solo Juggernaut book like he wanted to. :(

His stuff had really been improving over time. It was a shame to see him go and pretty much get run out of the industry.

[HomerGator]

Goody-two shoes X-Men/Excalibur tagalong Juggernaut is so fucking shitty it should never be mentioned again. It's almost as bad as Magneto taking over the X-Mansion and doing the New Mutants' laundry. The Juggernaut is a bad guy. Chuck Austen disregarding years of continuity because he couldn't use Colossus at the time and wanted a big guy on his team shouldn't count. Hell, NONE of Austen's run should count.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I agree that the Claremont (and Bedard but he was just a placeholder) Juggernaut was lame as hell but he had potential before CC angsted him up the CC way...

[Fake Pat]

What's up with the DA/X-Men x-over?

Looks like the first special has been pushed back from June (according to marvel.com), and DA #6 doesn't seem to be connected.

Wha happened?

[Joe Henderson]

What's up with the DA/X-Men x-over?

Looks like the first special has been pushed back from June (according to marvel.com), and DA #6 doesn't seem to be connected.

Wha happened?

I'm guessing Silvestri needs a little more time to get the art done.

[Spidey616]

I was also a little surprised to see it disapear from marvel's June solicits on their site, especially since a few other titles have disapeared as well like Weapon X and All-New She-Hulk. Strange.

Related to the DA/XM crossover, the previously teased Dark X-Men team has been announced as being part of the storyline. Things just got a whole lot more interesting :)

[HOOKS]

Goody-two shoes X-Men/Excalibur tagalong Juggernaut is so fucking shitty it should never be mentioned again. It's almost as bad as Magneto taking over the X-Mansion and doing the New Mutants' laundry. The Juggernaut is a bad guy. Chuck Austen disregarding years of continuity because he couldn't use Colossus at the time and wanted a big guy on his team shouldn't count. Hell, NONE of Austen's run should count.

Austen didn't "disregard continuity" whatsoever.

I am not a fan of Austen's run, but Juggernaut's evolution was a natural continuation from Fabian Nicieza's X-MEN FOREVER mini-series, especially given the fact that his initial motivation for joining the X-Men was to infiltrate them from the inside, until he was betrayed by Black Tom. Besides, Juggernaut has always been more of a thug and a bully than an "evil" super-villain.

Regardless of your feelings of Juggernaut's reformation, it was not an unnatural event that "disregarded" continuity.

[Magnum V.I.]

Austen didn't "disregard continuity" whatsoever.

I am not a fan of Austen's run, but Juggernaut's evolution was a natural continuation from Fabian Nicieza's X-MEN FOREVER mini-series, especially given the fact that his initial motivation for joining the X-Men was to infiltrate them from the inside, until he was betrayed by Black Tom. Besides, Juggernaut has always been more of a thug and a bully than an "evil" super-villain.

Regardless of your feelings of Juggernaut's reformation, it was not an unnatural event that "disregarded" continuity.

And his recent "heel" turn has it's roots in Claremonts Excalibur where he let Juggs take back the Cytorrack crystal and "leave" the team to find himself when the series folded.

[MabusRex]

And his recent "heel" turn has it's roots in Claremonts Excalibur where he let Juggs take back the Cytorrack crystal and "leave" the team to find himself when the series folded.

That was Tieri's 2 parter as well as the WWH mini by Gage, not really Claremont's.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that was editorially driven. They've been wanting him turned back even before Austen left.

[Magnum V.I.]

That was Tieri's 2 parter, not really Claremont's.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that was editorially driven. They've been wanting him turned back even before Austen left.

Regardless! I think the Sentry should rip him in half and throw him into the sun. Along with Sammy the Fish Boy.

[Spidey616]

X Position column with Mike Carey is out and he hints about some very interesting stuff coming up like Children of the Vault plans, and Rogue's future

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20735

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/223/XMEN223009.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/223/XMEN223005.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/223/XMEN223014.jpg

[The Roman]

Magneto in a loincloth! Someone send Ray some tissues, fast!

[artimoff]

I just read X-Force #12 & 13. What a fucking waste. To kill Tabby off like that. :-x

[MabusRex]

I just read X-Force #12 & 13. What a fucking waste. To kill Tabby off like that. :-x

Well, the story's not exactly over yet.
There IS time travel and a healer involved here, after all.

[Spidey616]

Previews of next week's X Books

Uncanny X-Men #508 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2384&disp=table)

X-Factor #42 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2386&disp=table)

X-Men: Legacy #223 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2387&disp=table)

Wolverine: Noir #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2385&disp=table)

[Howlett]

Previews of next week's X Books

Uncanny X-Men #508 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2384&disp=table)

X-Factor #42 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2386&disp=table)

X-Men: Legacy #223 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2387&disp=table)

Wolverine: Noir #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2385&disp=table)
Sweet! Getting everything there but Noir. Just so you know, you missed one by the way. I thought this was that reprint magazine, so I nearly skipped the preview too.

Rampaging Wolverine #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2380&disp=table)

[Spidey616]

Interview with Duane Swierczynski on Messiah War @ CBR with preview art of Cable #14

Last Hope: Swierczynski on Messiah War
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20764)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/14/CA1403-.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/14/CA1404-.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/14/CA1405.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/14/CA1406.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/cable/14/CA1407-.jpg

[MabusRex]

Previews of next week's X Books

Uncanny X-Men #508 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2384&disp=table)

X-Factor #42 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2386&disp=table)

X-Men: Legacy #223 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2387&disp=table)

Wolverine: Noir #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2385&disp=table)

Needs more Messiah War!

(Though the XF preview was great and that last panel reveal in Uncanny was interesting)

[Rivka]

Magneto in a loincloth! Someone send Ray some tissues, fast!

Those must be Rogue's memories of UNCANNY #274 when she and Magneto were fighting Zaladane in the Savage Land. I have steadfastly maintained that Rogue and Magneto were ... intimate ... during this adventure, and so I am looking forward to reading LEGACY #223 because of the juicy Magneto in loin-cloth bits (in the original he was wearing briefs and that was only added by editorial 'cause Jim Lee originally drew him naked), but I'm also nervous regarding what Rogue will conclude in her memory-tour about her time with Magneto.

And at the end of UNCANNY #275, a fully naked Magneto kills a few Russians and spikes Zaladane with thousands of shards of metal. No loin-cloth, for anyone who is interested.

[Rivka]

Sweet! Getting everything there but Noir. Just so you know, you missed one by the way. I thought this was that reprint magazine, so I nearly skipped the preview too.

Rampaging Wolverine #1 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2380&disp=table)

Oh, and all those previews look outstanding. It's the most promising UNCANNY in a long while, although I have thoroughly enjoyed Magneto's small scenes in UNCANNY #500 and #507. On the whole though, it seemed to me that UNCANNY for the last six months was treading water. The preview for #508 is fantastic, and it looks like Fraction is ready to start swimming.

[Spidey616]

First preview at the new NEW MUTANTS book coming soon

FIRST LOOK: New Mutants #1 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27252)

[Howlett]

Oh, and all those previews look outstanding. It's the most promising UNCANNY in a long while, although I have thoroughly enjoyed Magneto's small scenes in UNCANNY #500 and #507. On the whole though, it seemed to me that UNCANNY for the last six months was treading water. The preview for #508 is fantastic, and it looks like Fraction is ready to start swimming.

Honestly, I've felt Uncanny has been pretty consistantly terrible since issue 500 on. It hasn't been as bad as I thought the 500th issue was, which I hated on an almost galactic scale, but I still haven't enjoyed it. Everytime it felt like it might shift back to enjoyable for me, it's stopped and reverted to terrible. The only x-book I felt has been worse has been Astonishing by Ellis, which isn't even an X-book anymore in my opinion. It's an Ellis book with characters that kinda look like the X-Men in it.

[artimoff]

Honestly, I've felt Uncanny has been pretty consistantly terrible since issue 500 on. It hasn't been as bad as I thought the 500th issue was, which I hated on an almost galactic scale, but I still haven't enjoyed it. Everytime it felt like it might shift back to enjoyable for me, it's stopped and reverted to terrible. The only x-book I felt has been worse has been Astonishing by Ellis, which isn't even an X-book anymore in my opinion. It's an Ellis book with characters that kinda look like the X-Men in it.

Uncanny has been really bad. A boring storys with boring characters. The only bright spot had been the science team.

[Howlett]

Uncanny has been really bad. A boring storys with boring characters. The only bright spot had been the science team.

I'll be perfectly honest. Outside of some witty lines, even the science team is boring the ever loving shit out of me.

[Ben]

I'm really enjoying Uncanny.

[MabusRex]

Only aspect of Uncanny I've been enjoying is the X-Club / Science Team. Though the preview for next issue looks pretty good.

[Georgie]

I've been digging Uncanny. After New and Astonishing, it's nice to be reading a mutant book that doesn't feel so dire. Don't get me wrong, my love of New and Astonishing burns with the fire of a millions suns, but I'm also really enjoying Fraction's run. The issue with Emma inside Scott's head, especially.

And now Fraction is writing Domino...I'm quite a fan of that. I'm still not totally sold on Land's work (which looks out of place with the bg art) but it's nothing that would make me not buy the book, personally.

[artimoff]

I'll be perfectly honest. Outside of some witty lines, even the science team is boring the ever loving shit out of me.

I can see that. I guess I liked Angel vs Godzilla but that was it.

[Spidey616]

McNiven preview pages of Wolverine #72, the penultimate chapter of Old Man Logan coming early next month. The Death of Captain America....again ;)

http://comics.ign.com/articles/972/972143p1.html

[Howlett]

McNiven preview pages of Wolverine #72, the penultimate chapter of Old Man Logan coming early next month. The Death of Captain America....again ;)

http://comics.ign.com/articles/972/972143p1.html

Not bad. First Red Skull I've seen in a while that impressed me, I'll say that.

[HOOKS]

McNiven preview pages of Wolverine #72, the penultimate chapter of Old Man Logan coming early next month. The Death of Captain America....again ;)

http://comics.ign.com/articles/972/972143p1.html

That censored panel just makes me think Red Skull is taking a piss on Captain America's face. :)

[The Roman]

That censored panel just makes me think Red Skull is taking a piss on Captain America's face. :)

If Ellis or Millar was writing, he probably would be.

[SpecialK]

If Ellis or Millar was writing, he probably would be.

Millar is writing....I'm confused:cry:

[The Roman]

Millar is writing....I'm confused:cry:

Heh. Oops. :lol:

[Fake Pat]

OML might be my biggest disappointment of last year.

[Howlett]

OML might be my biggest disappointment of last year.

It's not the biggest for me, but for every good moment, it's got about 5 boring ones. I think making it 8 issues was way too much.

[Fake Pat]

Honestly, I've felt Uncanny has been pretty consistantly terrible since issue 500 on. It hasn't been as bad as I thought the 500th issue was, which I hated on an almost galactic scale, but I still haven't enjoyed it. Everytime it felt like it might shift back to enjoyable for me, it's stopped and reverted to terrible. The only x-book I felt has been worse has been Astonishing by Ellis, which isn't even an X-book anymore in my opinion. It's an Ellis book with characters that kinda look like the X-Men in it.

I would definitely argue that.

It definitely has Ellis-ness dripping off every page, but I have been consistently impressed by how well he's nailed every character in the book. I didn't think anybody could match Whedon in terms of "getting" the characters, but Ellis is coming damn close.

[Fake Pat]

It's not the biggest for me, but for every good moment, it's got about 5 boring ones. I think making it 8 issues was way too much.

Yeah, the pacing is definitely it's most glaring flaw. Large chunks have been repetitive and appear to be largely pointless, and every time an actual fun concept is presented it disappears almost immediately.

I suppose Millar could tie it all together in a way that justifies the problem spots I mentioned, but I'm not holding out much hope.

[Howlett]

I would definitely argue that.

It definitely has Ellis-ness dripping off every page, but I have been consistently impressed by how well he's nailed every character in the book. I didn't think anybody could match Whedon in terms of "getting" the characters, but Ellis is coming damn close.

We'll definitely have to disagree here then. I can't think of a writer off the top of my head who's come furthest from capturing their voices than Ellis, except maybe Morrison a fair few times during his run (though he at least had them more often than not). The only characters I think he's done well are Emma and Wolverine, both of whom are utter assholes more often than not, so it's writing to his strengths when it comes to characterization.

I can't think of a single X-Men run I've disliked as much as this.

[Fake Pat]

We'll definitely have to disagree here then. I can't think of a writer off the top of my head who's come furthest from capturing their voices than Ellis, except maybe Morrison a fair few times during his run (though he at least had them more often than not). The only characters I think he's done well are Emma and Wolverine, both of whom are utter assholes more often than not, so it's writing to his strengths when it comes to characterization.

I can't think of a single X-Men run I've disliked as much as this.

Huh.

I still think he's doing Armor, Storm, and Cyclops almost perfectly.

[Howlett]

Yeah, the pacing is definitely it's most glaring flaw. Large chunks have been repetitive and appear to be largely pointless, and every time an actual fun concept is presented it disappears almost immediately.

I suppose Millar could tie it all together in a way that justifies the problem spots I mentioned, but I'm not holding out much hope.

Yup. Pretty much.

The multitude of double page spreads don't help things either.

[Howlett]

Huh.

I still think he's doing Armor, Storm, and Cyclops almost perfectly.

Cyclops I'll ALMOST agree on, because of how darker he's gotten as a character recently. But he's still suffering from Ellis's obvious desire to make every single character a dry witted, smart ass with absolutely no concern about what anyone thinks of how they behave because "Fuck them, I'm better than everybody". Since Cyke is pretty much on the "Shut up, do what I say. I'm in charge. Love it, or fuck right the hell off" path recently, it's not as glaring. But he's still going overboard in my opinion.

Armour is different in that she's so new, but Whedon (and the other few writers I've seen write her) have shown her as still unsure of her place, obviously young but trying to fit in and be accepted. Ellis has had her trading witty, sarcastic, crude comments with the team a fair few times. And it doesn't come across as a character trying too hard to fit in and sounding like a bit of an idiot, it's just how he writes characters. And again, it's glaring that's it's his schtick.

Storm is probably the one that's the closest to normal, but still suffers a fair bit of Ellis-isms. I remember her scene where she showed up first in his first issue actually made me grown and roll my eyes because I got the point he was making with her dialogue, but had he not tried making her sound like Emma, it would've had more impact. Instead, we again got the witty, sarcastic comments that Ellis characters just have to make. There have been other moments, but honestly, I'm trying to forget this run. I haven't got it in me right now to dig through the issues and find more scenes. I'll try remember tomorrow, if you want to discuss it more indepth :)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

First preview at the new NEW MUTANTS book coming soon

FIRST LOOK: New Mutants #1 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27252)

:rock:

[dnk]

How is/was that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN series? Who watched it and what'd you think? Worth my time?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm really enjoying Uncanny.

Ditto

[SpecialK]

How is/was that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN series? Who watched it and what'd you think? Worth my time?

I've watched the entire thing and enjoyed most of it. How valuable is this time of yours?

[Howlett]

How is/was that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN series? Who watched it and what'd you think? Worth my time?

I got about 12 episodes in and enjoyed it immensely. I haven't gotten around to watching the rest (catching up on some other series I prefer first) but I definitely think it's worth a watch.

The Hulk Vs Wolverine movie is set before it, and has a sequel in the 7th episode of the series. DEFINITELY worth watching if you have the chance. The Hulk Vs Thor part of the DVD is fairly good too.

[dnk]

I've watched the entire thing and enjoyed most of it. How valuable is this time of yours?

Right now, semi-valuable. School and such. So with homework and procrastinating-until-I-start-homework, there's not too much time to watch whole seasons of TV. But over the summer, a little less so, I'll be working, but my free time will be my free time. So I'll probably give it a shot then.

I'm really enjoying Uncanny.

I, too, enjoy UNCANNY. Not nearly Fraction's best work nor a peak of an X-book, but it's good fun, and looks to be getting even better.

[rwsmith]

McNiven preview pages of Wolverine #72, the penultimate chapter of Old Man Logan coming early next month. The Death of Captain America....again ;)

http://comics.ign.com/articles/972/972143p1.html

Bucky-Cap's left arm should be metal. Other than that it looks great.

[dnk]

Bucky-Cap's left arm should be metal. Other than that it looks great.

I think it's weird that it's Bucky-Cap. Because even though OML will probably end up as a kind of a glorified WHAT IF?, this is either insinuating that this villainous upheaval takes place in the pretty near future (presuming Steve comes back in the not too distant future), that Steve doesn't come back as Cap, or that Bucky replaces Steve again later. Or that the Cap of this time, whoever it is, wears a Bucky-Cap costume.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

If that's Shan in the New Mutants preview, then things don't bode well artistically for this book...

[Howlett]

If that's Shan in the New Mutants preview, then things don't bode well artistically for this book...
I was just thinking the same thing.

[rwsmith]

I think it's weird that it's Bucky-Cap. Because even though OML will probably end up as a kind of a glorified WHAT IF?, this is either insinuating that this villainous upheaval takes place in the pretty near future (presuming Steve comes back in the not too distant future), that Steve doesn't come back as Cap, or that Bucky replaces Steve again later. Or that the Cap of this time, whoever it is, wears a Bucky-Cap costume.

Millar said it's supposed to be Rogers on his website. Not sure why he's in Bucky-Cap's costume, though, in that case. Or why his eyes are brown instead of blue. Coloring error, I suppose.

[artimoff]

If that's Shan in the New Mutants preview, then things don't bode well artistically for this book...


Why would that be Shan? It's a white woman & her white child.

[Howlett]

Why would that be Shan? It's a white woman & her white child.

I'm guessing because she says "Hi, I'm Shan..." in one of the first panels, but y'know, that might just be me...

[leviathan]

I'm guessing because she says "Hi, I'm Shan..." in one of the first panels, but y'know, that might just be me...

And yet...Illyana looks perfect.

Maybe being Asian was Shan's secondary mutation and she lost it during M-Day? ;)

[Howlett]

And yet...Illyana looks perfect.

Maybe being Asian was Shan's secondary mutation and she lost it during M-Day? ;)

If you're talking about the other girl in that first preview page, unless I missed something when I didn't bother continuing with the preview, it isn't Illyanna. Shan calls her Marci or something (been about 12 hours since I read the preview, so I can't remember too clearly).

[leviathan]

If you're talking about the other girl in that first preview page, unless I missed something when I didn't bother continuing with the preview, it isn't Illyanna. Shan calls her Marci or something (been about 12 hours since I read the preview, so I can't remember too clearly).

No...I proceeded to the very end of the five-pager. The last page is Illyana. Here it is so you don't have to plod through the whole thing:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/MRV_NEWMUTprvwv1-6.jpg

[Howlett]

No...I proceeded to the very end of the five-pager. The last page is Illyana. Here it is so you don't have to plod through the whole thing:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/MRV_NEWMUTprvwv1-6.jpg

Oh look, no goat legs! Thank the fucking lord!

[HOOKS]

If that's Shan in the New Mutants preview, then things don't bode well artistically for this book...

The art is wonderful and is different from a lot of mainstream books.

But... yeah, that looks nothing like Shan. Odd.

[On a side note, on the CBR forums I read the most disturbing post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8757849&postcount=5) I have ever read about a fictional character. I don't post there, but if you need a sideshow, go to the X-Men section of CBR. *shudders*]

[Howlett]

The art is wonderful and is different from a lot of mainstream books.

But... yeah, that looks nothing like Shan. Odd.

[On a side note, on the CBR forums I read the most disturbing post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8757849&postcount=5) I have ever read about a fictional character. I don't post there, but if you need a sideshow, go to the X-Men section of CBR. *shudders*]

Yeah, the rest of the art looks good but the change in Shan is... wow.

And Jesus tap dancing Christ.... :shock:

[Rivka]

The art is wonderful and is different from a lot of mainstream books.

But... yeah, that looks nothing like Shan. Odd.

[On a side note, on the CBR forums I read the most disturbing post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8757849&postcount=5) I have ever read about a fictional character. I don't post there, but if you need a sideshow, go to the X-Men section of CBR. *shudders*]

Obviously you don't spend much time reading the CBR forums, or you would realize this is not even close to being CBR's most disturbing post about a fictional character.

Due to the "no drama" rule on the Benbo, I won't include any quotes or links, but there are two types of "crazy" on that board. One group is just playing around and they are high as kites without the use of drugs or alcohol, and it's like comic book fans through the looking glass. And the other group, more seriously disturbed but their posts might seem rational at first glance -- they actually believe the characters are real, (and in one case a female believes she is this character's "girl-friend") and the creative teams of the comics are fictional -- all kinds of hilarity ensues.

[Howlett]

Obviously you don't spend much time reading the CBR forums, or you would realize this is not even close to being CBR's most disturbing post about a fictional character.

Due to the "no drama" rule on the Benbo, I won't include any quotes or links, but there are two types of "crazy" on that board. One group is just playing around and they are high as kites without the use of drugs or alcohol, and it's like comic book fans through the looking glass. And the other group, more seriously disturbed but their posts might seem rational at first glance -- they actually believe the characters are real, (and in one case a female believes she is this character's "girl-friend") and the creative teams of the comics are fictional -- all kinds of hilarity ensues.

Must... not... lurk... GAH YER KILLIN' ME HERE!!! :scared:

[HOOKS]

Obviously you don't spend much time reading the CBR forums, or you would realize this is not even close to being CBR's most disturbing post about a fictional character.

Due to the "no drama" rule on the Benbo, I won't include any quotes or links, but there are two types of "crazy" on that board. One group is just playing around and they are high as kites without the use of drugs or alcohol, and it's like comic book fans through the looking glass. And the other group, more seriously disturbed but their posts might seem rational at first glance -- they actually believe the characters are real, (and in one case a female believes she is this character's "girl-friend") and the creative teams of the comics are fictional -- all kinds of hilarity ensues.

:-|

[leviathan]

Obviously you don't spend much time reading the CBR forums, or you would realize this is not even close to being CBR's most disturbing post about a fictional character.

Due to the "no drama" rule on the Benbo, I won't include any quotes or links, but there are two types of "crazy" on that board. One group is just playing around and they are high as kites without the use of drugs or alcohol, and it's like comic book fans through the looking glass. And the other group, more seriously disturbed but their posts might seem rational at first glance -- they actually believe the characters are real, (and in one case a female believes she is this character's "girl-friend") and the creative teams of the comics are fictional -- all kinds of hilarity ensues.

I wouldn't call that hilarity. Disturbing and ashamed to be called a "comic fan" right along these people, yes. But amused, definitely not. :nonono2:

[Howlett]

:-|

Really makes you appreciate this place sometimes, doesn't it?

[Arion]

Obviously you don't spend much time reading the CBR forums, or you would realize this is not even close to being CBR's most disturbing post about a fictional character.

Due to the "no drama" rule on the Benbo, I won't include any quotes or links, but there are two types of "crazy" on that board. One group is just playing around and they are high as kites without the use of drugs or alcohol, and it's like comic book fans through the looking glass. And the other group, more seriously disturbed but their posts might seem rational at first glance -- they actually believe the characters are real, (and in one case a female believes she is this character's "girl-friend") and the creative teams of the comics are fictional -- all kinds of hilarity ensues.

I think I've never visited the CBR forums.

[Rivka]

I wouldn't call that hilarity. Disturbing and ashamed to be called a "comic fan" right along these people, yes. But amused, definitely not. :nonono2:

I was being sarcastic. Believe me. I am not amused, either.

[Arion]

Really makes you appreciate this place sometimes, doesn't it?

Absolutely.

[Rivka]

Really makes you appreciate this place sometimes, doesn't it?


Yes, yes, a hundred times yes.

[Arion]

Must... not... lurk... GAH YER KILLIN' ME HERE!!! :scared:

But you shall lurk... soon.

[Howlett]

Absolutely.

Yes, yes, a hundred times yes.

*rubs fingers against temple*

I'm glad you think so. To me, my Benbo-Men :crazy:

[Howlett]

But you shall lurk... soon.

I won't lurk SOON!

:shifty:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I wouldn't call that hilarity. Disturbing and ashamed to be called a "comic fan" right along these people, yes. But amused, definitely not. :nonono2:

Really? I think it was one of the funniest things I've heard all day. I'm (barely) resisting the urge to register there so I can fuck with them...

[HomerGator]

I think the worst moment I've had as far as "I can't believe I'm in the same place as this person. I wish I wasn't a comic book fan right now" was one day in my LCS. I always talk with the owner (who works there six days a week) for a good while before he gets my comics, then I usually take those and wander around the store, seeing if there's anything else I want that day.
Well, this one time I wandered over to the quarter bins, just to see if there was anything new in there. The first comic I looked at was a James Robinson Starman, so damned if I wasn't looking through the rest of them. I'm kind of tranced out while digging through the boxes, so I didn't notice at first that a walking ball of body odor attached to what had to be a host body had hoved up next to me. It wasn't even the cabbage wrapped in filthy gym socks smell that I noticed first, but this really deep, heavy breathing with a soft... almost moaning at the end of each breath.
I looked this guy up and down, just completely disgusted by everything about him, when I noticed that he was staring at this poster in the store of Princess Leia in her slave outfit from Jaba's palace. Dude was staring at it so intently I doubt he even knew I was there. Just staring, breathing really loudly, and softly moaning, all while smelling like a corpse took a shit.
The store owner said that the dude was in all the time, buys tons of comics, but only ones with girls on the covers.
<shiver>

[Rivka]

Really? I think it was one of the funniest things I've heard all day. I'm (barely) resisting the urge to register there so I can fuck with them...

I've been feeling guilty all day because I didn't want to tar-and-feather everyone on the CBR forums with the same brush. There are a bunch of people who post there who are highly intelligent, rational X-fans. We can love the characters, the creators, the concept, and Marvel without being nutty.

This thread is great, btw, because X-fans can talk about the X-books without feeling too self-consciously "fannish".

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Nick Lowe (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20825) with more teasers for Dark X-Men.

[The Roman]

Oh wow, that's some bad-ass Dani Moonstar art right there . . .

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/xposition/NEWMUTV3003_cov_col.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Oh wow, that's some bad-ass Dani Moonstar art right there . . .

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/xposition/NEWMUTV3003_cov_col.jpg

God, I have grown to LOVE the Kuberts.

They've gotten better and better since that move to DC.

[Spidey616]

Already posted in the Dark X-Men thread that new teaser drawn by Jae Lee that I can't get enough of :)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/xposition/DRKXMEN001cov.jpg

[Ahmed]

That is awesome. Jae Lee should be drawing astonishing with Ellis after Bianchi is done.

[dnk]

I think the worst moment I've had as far as "I can't believe I'm in the same place as this person. I wish I wasn't a comic book fan right now" was one day in my LCS. I always talk with the owner (who works there six days a week) for a good while before he gets my comics, then I usually take those and wander around the store, seeing if there's anything else I want that day.
Well, this one time I wandered over to the quarter bins, just to see if there was anything new in there. The first comic I looked at was a James Robinson Starman, so damned if I wasn't looking through the rest of them. I'm kind of tranced out while digging through the boxes, so I didn't notice at first that a walking ball of body odor attached to what had to be a host body had hoved up next to me. It wasn't even the cabbage wrapped in filthy gym socks smell that I noticed first, but this really deep, heavy breathing with a soft... almost moaning at the end of each breath.
I looked this guy up and down, just completely disgusted by everything about him, when I noticed that he was staring at this poster in the store of Princess Leia in her slave outfit from Jaba's palace. Dude was staring at it so intently I doubt he even knew I was there. Just staring, breathing really loudly, and softly moaning, all while smelling like a corpse took a shit.
The store owner said that the dude was in all the time, buys tons of comics, but only ones with girls on the covers.
<shiver>

I forgot to take a shower that day! Can't wait for GOTHAM CITY SIRENS!



K, but seriously. Here are my thoughts on today's ish of UNCANNY.
I'm getting used to Fraction's frenetic, slightly disjointed, change-of-pace storytelling on this book. And it's a lot of fun. Really intriguing and the narration and dialogue was well-written (structure aside for those that don't like his storytelling style on this book). BUT Wolverine's kind of all over the place in this. I don't understand the story flow here at all. He is pissed about what happened with Domino and the graveyard, but doesn't seem to tell anybody about it. Then doesn't act on it at all. Then he just shows up to ask Northstar to join the X-Men, acting very carefree. Also, Wolverine said "Yo." Weird. I think this issue might not have been in chronological order (the end of where the Sisterhood actually does something comes after the psychics freak out in earlier pages), and that might explain it (Wolverine goes to Northstar before having the conversation with Domino), but it'd be nice for that to be included in the captions. If it's the case. And if it's not, then I don't know. And I've said it before, but I don't care for Land. At all. But overall, UNCANNY's a lot of fun.

[Spidey616]

Interview with Fraction on UXM plus preview pages of #509. Needless to say, spoilers for this week's issue.

Matt Fraction Talks Uncanny X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846)

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[SpecialK]

Interview with Fraction on UXM plus preview pages of #509. Needless to say, spoilers for this week's issue.

Matt Fraction Talks Uncanny X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846)

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I don't know who that is on the cover...other than Psylocke.

Also, Piotr should know better. Raiders suck!

[Fake Pat]

Interview with Fraction on UXM plus preview pages of #509. Needless to say, spoilers for this week's issue.

Matt Fraction Talks Uncanny X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846)

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I'm sorry, but that is some really awful art.

[Nick Spencer]

I'm sorry, but that is some really awful art.

We must be looking at different pages, because it looks great to me.

Also, that Colossus panel is hilarious.

[SpecialK]

We must be looking at different pages, because it looks great to me.

Also, that Colossus panel is hilarious.

People are all over the place with Land. I'm with you on this one, but I think Pat dislikes the photo-referenced material.

Different strokes.

[Ben]

I'm sorry, but that is some really awful art.I think the art looks beautiful, and I'm so happy that Psylocke is back!

[HOOKS]

So I decided to read through the CBR forums some more, and besides the rampant pedophilia and these-characters-are-my-boyfriends<3 craziness that goes on...

These people don't even buy the damn books.

They read the full summaries people give and then either demand scans to be posted in the thread or download the books themselves illegally.

Fuck them.

[Spidey616]

What's up with the DA/X-Men x-over?

Looks like the first special has been pushed back from June (according to marvel.com), and DA #6 doesn't seem to be connected.

Wha happened?

Good news! Looks like DA/UXM: Utopia #1 is back on for a June 24th release.

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11969

[Jef UK]

So glad the real Betsy is back. Fuck that decades long Kwannon bullshit. I hope we get a Captain Britain appearance soon!

Question: who are the two sisters that hate each other?

[henryfish]

Who is Kwannon and what does she have to do with Psylocke? I tried reading the wiki on her and Psylocke but kept getting confused. :cry:

So Pyslocke and Kwannon switched bodies at some point? And someone is named Revanche? Wha?

[Gnome]

So glad the real Betsy is back. Fuck that decades long Kwannon bullshit. I hope we get a Captain Britain appearance soon!

Question: who are the two sisters that hate each other?

The two daughters of Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind).

[Gnome]

[QUOTE=henryfish;5924195]Who is Kwannon and what does she have to do with Psylocke? I tried reading the wiki on her and Psylocke but kept getting confused. :cry:

I read the comics and I'm still confused.

[dougmac]

Who is Kwannon and what does she have to do with Psylocke? I tried reading the wiki on her and Psylocke but kept getting confused. :cry:

So Pyslocke and Kwannon switched bodies at some point? And someone is named Revanche? Wha?

Yes they switched bodies. Revanche was Kwannon in Betsy's (psylocke's) original body. The explanation was weak, but I liked the asian Psylocke.

[artimoff]

I'm glad to have the original Betsy back.

[Jef UK]

The two daughters of Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind).

Thanks!

[leviathan]

[QUOTE=henryfish;5924195]Who is Kwannon and what does she have to do with Psylocke? I tried reading the wiki on her and Psylocke but kept getting confused. :cry:

I read the comics and I'm still confused.

I'm just curious about where this leaves the Revanche body. Isn't she in Exiles? Does that mean that body dies? Does Revanche come back too? Honestly, I'm more interested in that than I am Betsy herself.

[Spidey616]

Next week's X Book previews including the penultimate chapter of AXM Ghost Boxes

Astonishing X-Men #29 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2423&disp=table)

X-Force #14 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2439&disp=table)

X-Men: The Times and Life of Lucas Bishop #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2440&disp=table)

Wolverine: Origins #35
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2438&disp=table)

[Rivka]

Interview with Fraction on UXM plus preview pages of #509. Needless to say, spoilers for this week's issue.

Matt Fraction Talks Uncanny X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20846)


Nice interview. But now I'm totally confused as to who the Red Queen is.

Is she possibly the Goblyn Queen sans Maddy's good side, as some have speculated. Or, like someone with DID, is the Goblyn Queen an alter of Madeline Pryor, so Pryor is for all intents and purposes dead? Or, "absorbed" ...

I need to read the entire comic before I can comment on Land's art in the next issue.

I'm also a bit frazzled about the x-gene stuff.

We've gone from x-gene is gone, to now it's deactivated and hidden from perception in some way. So, does this mean there really are still 16-million mutants on earth, but they just don't know it?


Edited to add: I thought UNCANNY #508 was a great read. Up-to-date and modern but also good-old-fashioned comic-book super-hero magico-science fiction goodness. With lots of interesting female characters. Was Cyclops even in it? I didn't notice him, thank goodness. I've been recommending the book to people who had given up the X-MEN.

[Rivka]

Next week's X Book previews including the penultimate chapter of AXM Ghost Boxes

Astonishing X-Men #29 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2423&disp=table)

X-Force #14 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2439&disp=table)

X-Men: The Times and Life of Lucas Bishop #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2440&disp=table)

Even with Cable in it, X-FORCE looks good. The art is beautiful.

I wish I didn't like X-FORCE so much. I don't want to like it. I don't like characters being gratuitously killed and blood spraying and guts being sliced and my second favorite character of all time eating her father ....

The book is just so damn well done, I can't help myself. It remains one of the few X-books still on my pull list.