The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Howlett]

I sure as hell didn't read it. What happened?

Wolverine told Hawkeye what happened to him 50 years ago. Turns out he got mind-fucked by Mysterio and killed the X-Men during the night the supervillains revolted and wiped out the heroes. Then stuck his head in front of a frieght train.

And while driving to wherever Hawkeye wants to go, a Venomsaurus Rex showed up.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Wolverine told Hawkeye what happened to him 50 years ago. Turns out he got mind-fucked by Mysterio and killed the X-Men during the night the supervillains revolted and wiped out the heroes. Then stuck his head in front of a frieght train.

And while driving to wherever Hawkeye wants to go, a Venomsaurus Rex showed up.

Meh

[Howlett]

Meh

I think the story itself is pretty fucking good.

HOWEVER!

Big however.

Under no circumstances should this have been put in the main book. This should've been a Marvel Knights mini. This is what the fucking Marvel Knights banner is FOR now :?

[Kefky]

It can't be in marvel knights because Millar's convinced that he can make this a part of real continuity. I don't get how he's going to do that, but it's what he's been saying. :-?

Well, whatever he does it'll probably be easy to ignore anyway.

[Howlett]

It can't be in marvel knights because Millar's convinced that he can make this a part of real continuity. I don't get how he's going to do that, but it's what he's been saying. :-?

Well, whatever he does it'll probably be easy to ignore anyway.

Yeah, I heard that too.

I'm not even going to go into how ridiculous a claim that was to make. I'm not even going to bother :lol:

And very true. I've been doing that since about issue 2 of the run. This to me is just yet another alternate reality story. This will have about as much impact on the future of Marvel as the Wolverine: Days of Future Past mini from the 90's.

[Marcdachamp]

Yeah, I heard that too.

I'm not even going to go into how ridiculous a claim that was to make. I'm not even going to bother :lol:

And very true. I've been doing that since about issue 2 of the run. This to me is just yet another alternate reality story. This will have about as much impact on the future of Marvel as the Wolverine: Days of Future Past mini from the 90's.

In a way it already has. That Wolverine is now in "our" MU. He and the rest of the team are the Fantastic Force of "Nu Earth".

[Joe Henderson]

The funny thing about Millar's big reveal this issue is that it's something that no one would ever be able to get away with except in an alternate timeline. And I don't mean killing the X-Men--I mean the idea that Wolverine would fall for such a basic attack without asking any questions, wondering about the inconsistency of his allies disappearing, etc. It's more convenient than plausible, but for better or worse, with elseworlds stories you get a bit more leeway.

[Spidey616]

Preivew for next week's Cable. Can't wait to see what's coming up for Cable and crew in MESSIAH WAR!

Cable #10 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1798&disp=table)

[Spidey616]

In a way it already has. That Wolverine is now in "our" MU. He and the rest of the team are the Fantastic Force of "Nu Earth".

Loved the panel in the most recent issue of FF where Wolverine

looks at the Hooded Man (aka his alternate future self" and says "You gotta be kiddin' me" :)

[Howlett]

In a way it already has. That Wolverine is now in "our" MU. He and the rest of the team are the Fantastic Force of "Nu Earth".

Sorry, but it doesn't count until another writer uses him. Millar wrote both those issues. Until someone else uses him, it's just Millar trying to tie his stuff together and messing around with the timeline.

I mean, just because the Fantastic Force came from the future, doesn't mean they came from the MU's future. So the alternate reality thing still stands (as does my problem with the book).

[SpecialK]

In a way it already has. That Wolverine is now in "our" MU. He and the rest of the team are the Fantastic Force of "Nu Earth".

Has it been said already that the Hooded Man and Old Man Logan are part of the same future? Didn't Banner's son call the Hooded Man dad, where the Hulk's kids in Old Man Logan are green hillbillies?

[Joe Henderson]

Sorry, but it doesn't count until another writer uses him. Millar wrote both those issues. Until someone else uses him, it's just Millar trying to tie his stuff together and messing around with the timeline.

I mean, just because the Fantastic Force came from the future, doesn't mean they came from the MU's future. So the alternate reality thing still stands (as does my problem with the book).

Millar's not writing the Fantastic Force mini (or is it a new series?), so I guess that'll be fulfilled soon enough.

[Howlett]

Millar's not writing the Fantastic Force mini (or is it a new series?), so I guess that'll be fulfilled soon enough.

I hadn't seen anything about who would and wouldn't be writing it. If that's the case, that's fine by me.

But as SpecialK there just pointed out (and which I'd forgotten), Hooded Man may be Wolverine, but that's not to say he's the same one as Old Man Logan.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Either way, on it's own, I'm still enjoying things as they're going.

[Joe Henderson]

I hadn't seen anything about who would and wouldn't be writing it. If that's the case, that's fine by me.

But as SpecialK there just pointed out (and which I'd forgotten), Hooded Man may be Wolverine, but that's not to say he's the same one as Old Man Logan.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Either way, on it's own, I'm still enjoying things as they're going.

It's either Ahearne (sp?) or Paul Cornell, according to Bryan Hitch over at Millarworld.

[SpecialK]

It's either Ahearne (sp?) or Paul Cornell, according to Bryan Hitch over at Millarworld.

Is Hitch drawing the series? I assume that cover was him, at least.

[Joe Henderson]

Is Hitch drawing the series? I assume that cover was him, at least.

Just covers.

[Howlett]

It's either Ahearne (sp?) or Paul Cornell, according to Bryan Hitch over at Millarworld.

Oooooh, Cornell could actually make me give a damn about that book :o

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Cornell could make me care about Feral. Even if she were still dead during whatever he wrote her into...

[Howlett]

Cornell could make me care about Feral. Even if she were still dead during whatever he wrote her into...

Marvel Zombie 4? :shifty:

[Marcdachamp]

Sorry, but it doesn't count until another writer uses him. Millar wrote both those issues. Until someone else uses him, it's just Millar trying to tie his stuff together and messing around with the timeline.

I mean, just because the Fantastic Force came from the future, doesn't mean they came from the MU's future. So the alternate reality thing still stands (as does my problem with the book).

All futures are alternate futures, but they can still play a role in current continuity.

[Omega Flight]

Sorry, but it doesn't count until another writer uses him. Millar wrote both those issues. Until someone else uses him, it's just Millar trying to tie his stuff together and messing around with the timeline.

I mean, just because the Fantastic Force came from the future, doesn't mean they came from the MU's future. So the alternate reality thing still stands (as does my problem with the book).
Eh I personally don't care either way. The Hooded Man is from the future of Old Man Logan and Rachel Grey and Cable all came from possible futures and are still popular so I'm not broken up.

[Omega Flight]

Has it been said already that the Hooded Man and Old Man Logan are part of the same future? Didn't Banner's son call the Hooded Man dad, where the Hulk's kids in Old Man Logan are green hillbillies?

It's possible the Hulk family could have changed over centuries. Don't forget that the future the Fantastic Force comes from is waaaaaaay down the line as in centuries. And Millar has confirmed this future is what comes after Old Man Logan.

[SpecialK]

It's possible the Hulk family could have changed over centuries. Don't forget that the future the Fantastic Force comes from is waaaaaaay down the line as in centuries. And Millar has confirmed this future is what comes after Old Man Logan.

Where did he say this? And if I recall correctly, Old Man Logan is 80 years from now and Fantastic Force is 200 years from now.

[HomerGator]

The "Fantastic Force" are actually called the Defenders (unless Fantastic Force is a joke name and I'm just not in the loop. Then never mind.).

I don't get why it matters if Old Man Logan is in continuity or not. Who cares if it's in the main Wolverine book, either? It's a really entertaining story with amazing artwork. Why does it have to be a definite future, or tie-in with anything? (unless everyone's problem is more with Millar saying he felt it was in continuity, or he would make it fit, or whatever crazy shit it was he said :D If that's the case, then again, nevermind)

[Omega Flight]

Where did he say this? And if I recall correctly, Old Man Logan is 80 years from now and Fantastic Force is 200 years from now.

That's true. And it's entirely possible Wolverine survived even further. He did say Wolverine and Fantastic Four were tying in.

[SpecialK]

The "Fantastic Force" are actually called the Defenders (unless Fantastic Force is a joke name and I'm just not in the loop. Then never mind.).

I don't get why it matters if Old Man Logan is in continuity or not. Who cares if it's in the main Wolverine book, either? It's a really entertaining story with amazing artwork. Why does it have to be a definite future, or tie-in with anything? (unless everyone's problem is more with Millar saying he felt it was in continuity, or he would make it fit, or whatever crazy shit it was he said :D If that's the case, then again, nevermind)

Ya, they are called the Defenders in the Fantastic Four run going on now, but there was a pencil cover art from Tom Breevort's Blog showing these Defenders, and it was labeled "Fantastic Force #1". As for the continuity thing, I just think that if it's in the main title, it should be part of continuity. Otherwise, hand the book to someone else and make it a miniseries.

That's true. And it's entirely possible Wolverine survived even further. He did say Wolverine and Fantastic Four were tying in.

There may be more than one way they are tying in, but I'm pretty sure he said that the Masters of Doom (who's teeth were introduced in the latest FF) are running part of America in Old Man Logan. So that's the only way I've assumed they were tying into each other until today.

[Omega Flight]

Ya, they are called the Defenders in the Fantastic Four run going on now, but there was a pencil cover art from Tom Breevort's Blog showing these Defenders, and it was labeled "Fantastic Force #1". As for the continuity thing, I just think that if it's in the main title, it should be part of continuity. Otherwise, hand the book to someone else and make it a miniseries.



There may be more than one way they are tying in, but I'm pretty sure he said that the Masters of Doom (who's teeth were introduced in the latest FF) are running part of America in Old Man Logan. So that's the only way I've assumed they were tying into each other until today.

I never said that was the only way. I think Millar mentioned there's also an issue where the FF travel to the future of Old Man Logan.

[SpecialK]

I never said that was the only way. I think Millar mentioned there's also an issue where the FF travel to the future of Old Man Logan.

Oh no, that's what I meant. I just meant that I think I know one way that they are supposed to tie in, but it may not be the only one.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

All futures are alternate futures, but they can still play a role in current continuity.

The 3,000 part Kingdom Come Again story in JSA certainly proves that, especiallya s the creators shoe horned KC inspired characters and costume designs in wherever they could!

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Mike Carey (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19424)

[Fake Pat]

X-Position: Mike Carey (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19424)

It's weird. I loved Carey's run with Bachalo/Ramos, loved MC (and gave Carey most of the credit), but could not care less about anything he's done since MC ended.

[Joe Henderson]

It's weird. I loved Carey's run with Bachalo/Ramos, loved MC (and gave Carey most of the credit), but could not care less about anything he's done since MC ended.

I've enjoyed Legacy but not nearly as much as the run before it. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the book turns into next.

[rwsmith]

It's weird. I loved Carey's run with Bachalo/Ramos, loved MC (and gave Carey most of the credit), but could not care less about anything he's done since MC ended.

I would gladly sacrifice both X-men: Legacy and Cable to have Carey's X-men back. Most of the main X-men characters he was using aren't being used in Uncanny anyway (Rogue, Iceman and Cable not at all; and Cannonball is barely being used). Throw in Nightcrawler (who apparently is quitting the Uncanny team soon) and a couple of randoms for Carey to play with (perhaps Frenzy to be the team's powerhouse and Surge from New X-men?) and I think it'd be great.

[rwsmith]

I never said that was the only way. I think Millar mentioned there's also an issue where the FF travel to the future of Old Man Logan.

My prediction (not using spoiler tags because it's pure speculation on my part):

Old Man Logan ends with Logan returning home to find his family murdered by the Hulk Gang. He goes ape-$#!t crazy and kills them all except for the baby Hulk. Then he jumps into the far future with Reed and Sue (who have been lost in the timestream according to Hawkeye but have conveniently returned) where he raises the baby Hulk as his own. Later on he jumps back to our present timeline with the rest of the New Defenders (and is now called the Hooded Man), as shown in recent issues of Fantastic Four.

[Spidey616]

Interview with Chris Yost and Craig Kyle at marvel.com on the return of Selene in X-Force #11 coming 1/28/08

X-Force: Selene Returns (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6551.X-Force~colon~_Selene_Returns)

Also the Pillsbury Doughboy guest stars in Deadpool #6 next week :lol:
Deadpool #6 Preview (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1833&disp=table)

[HomerGator]

Sweeeet. I was wondering when we'd see Wither again.

[Spidey616]

Bob fans rejoice. The dynamic duo is back next month. :)

EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK: Deadpool #7 (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6580.EXCLUSIVE_FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Dead pool_%237)

[SpecialK]

Return of Stryfe in Messiah War, new cover included http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19556

[Spidey616]

Return of Stryfe in Messiah War, new cover included http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19556

Wow. Messiah War just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Nice Clayton Crain cover for X-Force #14. :D

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xforce/XFORCE014_cov_col.jpg

[HomerGator]

wow. Messiah war just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Nice clayton crain cover for x-force #14. :d

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/xforce/xforce014_cov_col.jpg

yes!

[Arion]

My prediction (not using spoiler tags because it's pure speculation on my part):

Old Man Logan ends with Logan returning home to find his family murdered by the Hulk Gang. He goes ape-$#!t crazy and kills them all except for the baby Hulk. Then he jumps into the far future with Reed and Sue (who have been lost in the timestream according to Hawkeye but have conveniently returned) where he raises the baby Hulk as his own. Later on he jumps back to our present timeline with the rest of the New Defenders (and is now called the Hooded Man), as shown in recent issues of Fantastic Four.

I won't make a prediction yet but so far I've been enjoying Old Man Logan.

[HomerGator]

Man, me too! Between Enemy of the State, Agent of SHIELD, and Old Man Logan, I think Mark Millar is responsible for three of my top five all-time Wolverine stories.

[Fake Pat]

Holy balls.

Cover to X-Force 14=Spoiler City/i can't fucking believe they're gonna go there.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19556

Wow.

[HomerGator]

:boogie:

[Howlett]

But... but... I liked it when Stryfe was dead :cry:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Anyone else enjoying X-Infernus as much as I am? I still wish they had gone the easier, more sensible way of bringing back Ilyana but that aside, this mini is being written very, very smart. CB really knows how to write these characters and the art is stylized pretty much the way I enjoy the most. My sole complaint is the colors chosen and that's not much of a complaint, is it? If CB were writing Legacy, I'd still be buying it...

[Fake Pat]

Preview of AXM #28:
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/123203350273726.htm

YAY!

[Spidey616]

Preview of the Uncanny X-Men Annual, featuring the first meeting between Emma Frost and Namor.

Preview: Uncanny X-Men Annual #2 (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6593.Preview~colon~_Uncanny_X-Men_Annual_%232)

[Arion]

Man, me too! Between Enemy of the State, Agent of SHIELD, and Old Man Logan, I think Mark Millar is responsible for three of my top five all-time Wolverine stories.

I feel guilty but I haven't read Enemy of the State.

[Fake Pat]

I feel guilty but I haven't read Enemy of the State.

If you like Wolverine at all you should really grab it.

It may be the best Wolverine since the Claremont/Miller mini.

[Spidey616]

New interview with Chris Yost and Dwayne Swierczynski on Mesiah War at IGN

The X-Men Prepare for a Messiah War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/945/945552p1.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/945/945552/x-men-messiah-war-event-20090115054417839.jpg

[Fake Pat]

New interview with Chris Yost and Dwayne Swierczynski on Mesiah War at IGN

The X-Men Prepare for a Messiah War (http://comics.ign.com/articles/945/945552p1.html)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/945/945552/x-men-messiah-war-event-20090115054417839.jpg

I am really quite excited for this.

If it's even half as good as MC, I'll be more than satisfied.

[HomerGator]

Yeah, I really can't wait to see their... interesting use of Deadpool.

[HOOKS]

How many completists are here? Because next week, there are eight X-books shipping:

* "Astonishing X-Men" #28
* "New Exiles" #17
* "Uncanny X-Men Annual" #2
* "Weapon X: First Class" #3
* "Wolverine: Origins" #32
* "X-Factor" #39
* "X-Men: Kingbreaker" #2
* "X-Men: Legacy" #220

Enjoy!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I only get four of those titles so I'm good...

[Howlett]

* "Astonishing X-Men" #28
* "Uncanny X-Men Annual" #2
* "Wolverine: Origins" #32
* "X-Factor" #39
* "X-Men: Kingbreaker" #2
* "X-Men: Legacy" #220

Only getting 6, and only 5 I'm looking forward to.

Not a bad week.

[HOOKS]

I'm actually getting 7 of those. :Oops:

[Howlett]

I'm actually getting 7 of those. :Oops:

Is one of them New Exiles?

You can tell us. We won't judge you.

[HOOKS]

Is one of them New Exiles?

You can tell us. We won't judge you.

Fuck no.

I haven't bought anything Claremont since X-MEN THE END, because I thought it wasn't going to be about fucking WarSkrulls. That's when I was like, "Chris, I loved you man, but I think it's time we started seeing other people."

[Howlett]

Fuck no.

I haven't bought anything Claremont since X-MEN THE END, because I thought it wasn't going to be about fucking WarSkrulls. That's when I was like, "Chris, I loved you man, but I think it's time we started seeing other people."

:lol:

[Fake Pat]

Only getting 2, AXM and the Uncanny Annual.

And Uncanny is pretty close to getting dropped.

[SpecialK]

6 here, no First Class or Exiles for me.

[Spidey616]

Previews of the mentioned X titles coming out next week. Looks like PAD's serious about fans not spoiling what's coming up in X-Factor.

Astoning X-Men #28 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1871&disp=table)

New Exiles #17 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1879&disp=table)

Uncanny X-Men Annual #2 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1883&disp=table)

Weapon X: First Class #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1885&disp=table)

Wolverine:Origins #32 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1886&disp=table)

X-Factor #39 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1887&disp=table)

X-Men: Kingbreaker #2 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1888&disp=table)

X-Men: Legacy #220 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1889&disp=table)

[Spidey616]

New interview with Chris Yost on Messiah War and Stryfe's role, as well as April X-Solicits featuring the reunion between Cable and a certain friend ;)

War Watch: Chris Yost on the Coming 'Messiah War' (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010919-Messiah-War-Yost.html)

X-FORCE #14
Written by CRAIG KYLE & CHRISTOPHER YOST
Pencils & Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN
Variant Cover by KAARE ANDREWS
"X-FORCE/CABLE: MESSIAH WAR"
STRYFE STRIKES! Cable and X-Force’s greatest nemisis returns! The X-event of the decade continues in MESSIAH WAR, and things go from “bad” to “worst case scenario” as X-Force and Cable struggle to keep Hope alive. While Cyclops fights to keep X-Force's involvement a secret in the present, Cable and Wolverine butt heads in the future over control of the child. Making matters worse, a member of X-Force abandons the team as an army of darkness descends upon them, leaving the team a man down with their backs to the wall. Past, present and future collide as the war for Mutantkind's survival continues. Part 3 (of 7)
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

Advance X-Solicitations, April 2009 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19595)


http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200904-advance/CABLE013_Cov_Col.jpg

CABLE #13
Written by DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
50/50 Variant Cover by KAARE ANDREWS
“X-FORCE/CABLE: MESSIAH WAR,” PART 2
The sequel to 2007’s MESSIAH COMPLEX continues here! Cyclops has complete faith that his son, Cable, will do everything he can to protect the so-called mutant messiah — who he believes will save mutantkind. But he also knows what havoc former X-Man Lucas Bishop has wreaked in the nightmarish future. So now he’s sent his black ops team, the X-Force, on a risky, time-traveling mission to save Cable and the child, completely unaware that there’s something else waiting for them in the future. Something not even Bishop was counting on…
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Omega Flight]

New interview with Chris Yost on Messiah War and Stryfe's role, as well as April X-Solicits featuring the reunion between Cable and a certain friend ;)

War Watch: Chris Yost on the Coming 'Messiah War' (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010919-Messiah-War-Yost.html)

X-FORCE #14
Written by CRAIG KYLE & CHRISTOPHER YOST
Pencils & Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN
Variant Cover by KAARE ANDREWS
"X-FORCE/CABLE: MESSIAH WAR"
STRYFE STRIKES! Cable and X-Force’s greatest nemisis returns! The X-event of the decade continues in MESSIAH WAR, and things go from “bad” to “worst case scenario” as X-Force and Cable struggle to keep Hope alive. While Cyclops fights to keep X-Force's involvement a secret in the present, Cable and Wolverine butt heads in the future over control of the child. Making matters worse, a member of X-Force abandons the team as an army of darkness descends upon them, leaving the team a man down with their backs to the wall. Past, present and future collide as the war for Mutantkind's survival continues. Part 3 (of 7)
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

Advance X-Solicitations, April 2009 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19595)


http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200904-advance/CABLE013_Cov_Col.jpg

CABLE #13
Written by DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
50/50 Variant Cover by KAARE ANDREWS
“X-FORCE/CABLE: MESSIAH WAR,” PART 2
The sequel to 2007’s MESSIAH COMPLEX continues here! Cyclops has complete faith that his son, Cable, will do everything he can to protect the so-called mutant messiah — who he believes will save mutantkind. But he also knows what havoc former X-Man Lucas Bishop has wreaked in the nightmarish future. So now he’s sent his black ops team, the X-Force, on a risky, time-traveling mission to save Cable and the child, completely unaware that there’s something else waiting for them in the future. Something not even Bishop was counting on…
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
I had new faith in humanity and Marvel when I saw the Cable #13 solicit.

[HomerGator]

I am really looking forward to this Cable/X-Force crossover!!!

Also, the upcoming Deadpool/Thunderbolts crossover!

[NickT]

I am really looking forward to this Cable/X-Force crossover!!!

Also, the upcoming Deadpool/Thunderbolts crossover!
The Cable crossover really messes with me, since I will get that late but X-Force on time.



As a general rule I hate full-on crossovers. It forces you to potentially either buy a comic you have no interest in, drop the book you do read or try and understand half a story, plus two different writers alternating issues will make a less coherent story, and two different artists does similar. On the other hand, the T-Bolts one might give us a few issues more Diggle, it's quite low on sales so that might be the difference between 12 issues and 18-24 :)

[Ben]

The Cable crossover really messes with me, since I will get that late but X-Force on time.



As a general rule I hate full-on crossovers. It forces you to potentially either buy a comic you have no interest in, drop the book you do read or try and understand half a story, plus two different writers alternating issues will make a less coherent story, and two different artists does similar. On the other hand, the T-Bolts one might give us a few issues more Diggle, it's quite low on sales so that might be the difference between 12 issues and 18-24 :)With the recap pages, it's really not too tough to understand what's going on while only buying the comic you'd normally buy.

[rwsmith]

I just wonder if Cable and Hope will be coming back to the present after Messiah War or not. Seems stupid if they're not, as X-Force obviously will have a means to get home.

And if they do come back to the present, what will Cable's role within the X-men be? It would seem logical that he would join X-Force (since he founded the original team), and if he does that then I seriously doubt he will follow Logan's orders. Thus in my mind there is a distinct possibility that Cable could come back and take over X-Force, and that Wolverine would leave the team (since he's not likely to take orders from Nathan either).

IMO that would truly suck. Wolverine is better than he's ever been as the leader of X-Force, and if they need to take him out of a team book or two, then take him out of Uncanny and/or Astonishing. Leave him as leader of X-Force and in New Avengers.

Just my $.02.

[NickT]

With the recap pages, it's really not too tough to understand what's going on while only buying the comic you'd normally buy.
Usually, although the X-Factor one threw me a bit recently. It's my normal way of doing it.

[leviathan]

I just wonder if Cable and Hope will be coming back to the present after Messiah War or not. Seems stupid if they're not, as X-Force obviously will have a means to get home.

And if they do come back to the present, what will Cable's role within the X-men be? It would seem logical that he would join X-Force (since he founded the original team), and if he does that then I seriously doubt he will follow Logan's orders. Thus in my mind there is a distinct possibility that Cable could come back and take over X-Force, and that Wolverine would leave the team (since he's not likely to take orders from Nathan either).

IMO that would truly suck. Wolverine is better than he's ever been as the leader of X-Force, and if they need to take him out of a team book or two, then take him out of Uncanny and/or Astonishing. Leave him as leader of X-Force and in New Avengers.

Just my $.02.

I think bringing Hope back as a kid would not really make any sense and hamper whatever book she ends up in. She has to be at least at teenager-level and manifesting her abilities for her to be a viable character in the mainstream continuity. But yeah...I don't think Cable should end up joining X-force. Should be interesting to see how they manage that.

[HomerGator]

OK, so because of my job I got an advance copy of "Hulk VS", and I just have to say that anyone here that is even remotely a fan of Christopher Yost, Wolverine, the Hulk, Thor, Loki, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, or cool cartoons (any of those) would be doing themselves a favor by picking it up when it hits stores next Tuesday.

[Raydawggie]

X-Factor.

WAT.

[Evan the Shaggy]

X-Factor.

WAT.

I'm going home and taking a shower after that issue. Christ.

[Ahmed]

OK, so because of my job I got an advance copy of "Hulk VS", and I just have to say that anyone here that is even remotely a fan of Christopher Yost, Wolverine, the Hulk, Thor, Loki, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, or cool cartoons (any of those) would be doing themselves a favor by picking it up when it hits stores next Tuesday.

The previews online look amazing. I'm not sure why there isn't more excitement in the fan communty, but I am very much looking forward to the Hulk vs.

[Howlett]

OK, so because of my job I got an advance copy of "Hulk VS", and I just have to say that anyone here that is even remotely a fan of Christopher Yost, Wolverine, the Hulk, Thor, Loki, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, or cool cartoons (any of those) would be doing themselves a favor by picking it up when it hits stores next Tuesday.

I'll second this. Hulk Vs was excellent stuff.

Deadpool was fucking hilarious in it.

[Spidey616]

OK, so because of my job I got an advance copy of "Hulk VS", and I just have to say that anyone here that is even remotely a fan of Christopher Yost, Wolverine, the Hulk, Thor, Loki, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, or cool cartoons (any of those) would be doing themselves a favor by picking it up when it hits stores next Tuesday.

REALLY glad to hear that. Makes me even more excited for all future animated Marvel projects.

And WOW, X-Factor :crazy:

[Marcdachamp]

OK, so because of my job I got an advance copy of "Hulk VS", and I just have to say that anyone here that is even remotely a fan of Christopher Yost, Wolverine, the Hulk, Thor, Loki, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, or cool cartoons (any of those) would be doing themselves a favor by picking it up when it hits stores next Tuesday.

Yeah, I wasn't really that interested, but they pretty much sold me. Looks great.

And X-Factor was insane this week. Uncanny Annual was very good, too.

[Evan the Shaggy]

I'll second this. Hulk Vs was excellent stuff.

Deadpool was fucking hilarious in it.

Watched it tonight as my friend had an advanced screener.

Easily the best Marvel animation ever made. Easily.

I can't get over how good it was. Oh man did they nail Deadpool, every thing he said had me dying.

Everyone NEEDS to get excited for this.

[Howlett]

Watched it tonight as my friend had an advanced screener.

Easily the best Marvel animation ever made. Easily.

I can't get over how good it was. Oh man did they nail Deadpool, every thing he said had me dying.

Everyone NEEDS to get excited for this.
The only thing I didn't like about it was the fact that of the two, the Wolverine one was the best. And it was about 10 minutes shorter than the Thor story. I thought that at the very least they would've been equal time.

Regardless, it was a great movie. Also, for anyone who doesn't know already, there IS a sequel to the Wolverine story. The 7th episode of Wolverine and the X-Men continues the story. And is pretty fun.

[Evan the Shaggy]

The only thing I didn't like about it was the fact that of the two, the Wolverine one was the best. And it was about 10 minutes shorter than the Thor story. I thought that at the very least they would've been equal time.

Regardless, it was a great movie. Also, for anyone who doesn't know already, there IS a sequel to the Wolverine story. The 7th episode of Wolverine and the X-Men continues the story. And is pretty fun.

I can't decide which I liked more. I think I truly loved them both equally. Watching Hulk beat the shit out of everyone in Asgard and the Hulk/Thor fight was too awesome.

Watching a movie, animated or otherwise, with Wolverine killing people and all around being a bloody mess was also awesome in itself.

[HomerGator]

Yeah, the brutality of the fights in both movies (but vs. Wolverine, in particular) were suprising, but oh-so-welcome.

FINALLY, a kickass animated project based on the regular Marvel U characters, and not their ultimate knockoffs or some odd re-imagining (a la X-Men Evolution).

[Marcdachamp]

I can't decide which I liked more. I think I truly loved them both equally. Watching Hulk beat the shit out of everyone in Asgard and the Hulk/Thor fight was too awesome.

Watching a movie, animated or otherwise, with Wolverine killing people and all around being a bloody mess was also awesome in itself.

Okay, extra sold. :lol:

[Howlett]

I can't decide which I liked more. I think I truly loved them both equally. Watching Hulk beat the shit out of everyone in Asgard and the Hulk/Thor fight was too awesome.

Watching a movie, animated or otherwise, with Wolverine killing people and all around being a bloody mess was also awesome in itself.

Oh I completely agree on that. The Thor story rocked as well. I just prefered Wolverine's story more. Between him and Deadpool, it was just priceless.

But yeah, this is making me hopeful for if that full on adaptation of Weapon X ever gets off the ground. If they stay as true to the BWS story as it sounds like they were going to, it's going to be fucking brutal.

[HomerGator]

Oh! And watch through the credits on the "vs. Wolverine" movie. Priceless!

[Howlett]

Oh! And watch through the credits on the "vs. Wolverine" movie. Priceless!

Agreed. The extra scene was fucking brilliance.

[Evan the Shaggy]

Oh I completely agree on that. The Thor story rocked as well. I just prefered Wolverine's story more. Between him and Deadpool, it was just priceless.

But yeah, this is making me hopeful for if that full on adaptation of Weapon X ever gets off the ground. If they stay as true to the BWS story as it sounds like they were going to, it's going to be fucking brutal.

I really didn't expect to laugh that much at Deadpool:


"BANG! Just kidding."

"Babies creep me out."

"Hey Logan! Its me Deadpool! I shooOOooTTTT yYYYooUUU!"

"Logan wait! We're FRIENDS!"

:rofl:

[Evan the Shaggy]

Best line from Thor:

"Nay, you may not have my hammer, BUT YOU MAY HAVE ITS THUNDER!

[Howlett]

I really didn't expect to laugh that much at Deadpool:


"BANG! Just kidding."

"Babies creep me out."

"Hey Logan! Its me Deadpool! I shooOOooTTTT yYYYooUUU!"

"Logan wait! We're FRIENDS!"

:rofl:
"I shot him. IN THE ASS!... what? I did!"

[Marcdachamp]

Can anyone tell me if there's anything decent on the two-disc edition?

[Marcdachamp]

Anyone? Bueller?

[MabusRex]

Can anyone tell me if there's anything decent on the two-disc edition?

THE DISC: Two versions of Hulk Vs. are being released. The single DVD version contains just the movies themselves and a pair of audio commentaries from the creators, along with some brief trailers of upcoming Marvel cartoons. The 2-DVD set (and the Blu-Ray version) includes a quartet of additional featurettes - two for each film. The plum of the lot discusses legendary artist Jack Kirby's development of Thor and Asgard, but the remaining three are only marginally enlightening at best . All things being equal, the single-disc version is more than sufficient for most fans' needs.

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/dvd/hulk_vs-dvd.html

Google is thy friend.

[MabusRex]

Also found this if you want something more specific:
Extras:

HULK VS THOR

© Marvel/Lionsgate

Both DVDs come with two commentary tracks. Hulk Vs. Wolverine features commentary by Supervising Producer/co-writer Craig Kyle and co-writer Chris Yost; and the second track has commentary by Supervising Director Frank Paur and storyboard artists Kevin Altieri and Butch Lukic.

Hulk Vs. Thor has one commentary by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost; and the second track has commentary by Frank Paur, James Daniels, and Sam Liu.

This is Gonna Hurt: The Making of Hulk Vs Wolverine (20:00) This featurette details the evolution of the film and features interviews with cast, director, and writers. You’ll see how various comic story arcs influenced the film.

Fan Frenzy: Hulk Vs Wolverine at the 2008 San Diego Comic-Con (8:00) Watch as the film is unveiled for the first time at the San Diego con. After the film, Kyle, Yost, Frank Paur, and Fred Tatasciore take questions from fans

First Look – Wolverine and the X-Men (5:00) A preview of the latest X-Men animated show set to debut on January 23 at 8:00 PM on the Nicktoons Network

Of Gods and Monsters: The Making of Hulk Vs Thor (18:20) This looks at the making of the Hulk Vs. Thor film and its influence by Kirby, Walt Simonson, and John Buscema.

Jack Kirby and Thor (4:45) This short featurette examines the original Thor artist, Jack “King” Kirby and how Kirby’s designs were incorporated into the film.

First Look – Thor Tales of Asgard (5:00) A preview of the next Marvel Animation film featuring a look at a young and developing Thor.

http://www.mania.com/hulk-vs-2-disc-special-edition_article_112494.html

[Marcdachamp]

Thanks! Looks like I'm sticking with the one-disc.

[BAMF]

Just got done reading the Uncanny Annual, and holy shit, that was a good read. I absolutely love Emma Frost when she's acting shady...she was completely in her element here and I love the chemistry between her and Namor...they're a much more interesting couple than the Cyclops/Emma pairing.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I thought it was good too and I read after seeing some whiny posts about Osborn and Selene violating continuity by being there. I am a bit of a continuity freak myself but in the end I prefer a great read even if it ignores continuity...

[Howlett]

I read after seeing some whiny posts about Osborn and Selene violating continuity by being there.

Wait, people were bitching about this? Based on when it's set, of COURSE they both be there! Selene was with the club when Emma was and Osborn's been a member for decades.

[BAMF]

I've seen the complaints that Card mentioned too...my continuity is fuzzy so I generally rely on the general consensus, and people are saying Osborn should've been pretending to be dead when this story took place, and that Selene shouldn't have been a member yet; people are claiming that it should've been Tessa used for the story and not Selene. They argue this story takes place before the Phoenix saga, which would mean Selene wasn't a member of the HFC yet.

[leviathan]

I've seen the complaints that Card mentioned too...my continuity is fuzzy so I generally rely on the general consensus, and people are saying Osborn should've been pretending to be dead when this story took place, and that Selene shouldn't have been a member yet; people are claiming that it should've been Tessa used for the story and not Selene. They argue this story takes place before the Phoenix saga, which would mean Selene wasn't a member of the HFC yet.

Yeah...there were some continuity problems but the book was an excellent read so I don't see any problem. What I have an issue with is how the X-men are now the jailers of all mutants now? That just seemed very strange to me. Hell, you might as well bring back Genosha and have a mutant 'state'. The whole 'policemen of a race' thing just bothers me for some reason.

[scouser]

Lady Mastermind is coming back with the Sisterhood!!:) I knew that bitchy, two faced skank wasn't dead. Cant wait to see her scrapping with Martinique!

[Marcdachamp]

I'd say it's tough to place the exact continuity, but you know what? The Annual was awesome, who cares?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The best thing about the Lady (whoa, what a misnomer) is you can keep on giving her satisyingly horrible deaths and then bring her back for the next one. I vote decapitation next time...

[Ryan F]

Wait, people were bitching about this? Based on when it's set, of COURSE they both be there! Selene was with the club when Emma was and Osborn's been a member for decades.

But, Osborn was "dead" when they were both members. Also, later in the issue they make it clear that the flashback takes place before the Dark Phoenix Saga...and that was before Selene joined (she was pretending to be a goddess in Nova Roma at the time).

Still, it's not a big deal. So, Shaw briefly hung out with some other uber-psychic named Selene or something.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Selene could easily have been in town between massacres in Nova Roma. The apparent newness of the Hellfire Club to her in later issues is as easily explained away as why X-23 at first appeared to be a stranger to Wolverine during their supposed first on panel meeting. All this doesn't mean that the story is any less good or that we should be total slaves to continuity...

[Howlett]

But, Osborn was "dead" when they were both members. Also, later in the issue they make it clear that the flashback takes place before the Dark Phoenix Saga...and that was before Selene joined (she was pretending to be a goddess in Nova Roma at the time).

Still, it's not a big deal. So, Shaw briefly hung out with some other uber-psychic named Selene or something.

Yeah, I caught that when I was flipping through it again. I was just after waking up from a nap when I posted that post. Was a bit head fuzzy :lol:

[SpecialK]

X-Position: Peter David of X-Factor (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19719)

Jamie's second dupe sent to the future has not been forgotten, possible plans within the next year.

[Arion]

I'd say it's tough to place the exact continuity, but you know what? The Annual was awesome, who cares?

Some people do care , but you're right.

[Spidey616]

Wow. This week's X-Force rocked. He's back......

CALIBAN! Didn't see that coming. It's going to be VERY interesting when he and Warpath meet up again ;)

[Fake Pat]

Wow. This week's X-Force rocked. He's back......

CALIBAN! Didn't see that coming. It's going to be VERY interesting when he and Warpath meet up again ;)

That last page saved this issue.

It was the first time I've been truly surprised by a non-Ultimatum comic in a while.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Just read X-Factor 39.

:shock:

Did not see that coming.

PAD is back on his game.

[Marcdachamp]

Just read X-Factor 39.

:shock:

Did not see that coming.

PAD is back on his game.

Haha, I've been trying to pimp the hell out of that issue.

[HomerGator]

Re: X-Factor. ........wow.

Uncanny X-Men Annual- man, Emma's certainly rivaling Scott for Most Messed Up Stuff My Significant Other Doesn't Know About

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Noncomittally joining a cabal VS running a death squad. Still think Scott's the winner here...

[Howlett]

Noncomittally joining a cabal VS running a death squad. Still think Scott's the winner here...

Yeah. So far Emma isn't coming anywhere even close to being as fucked up as Scott is at the moment.

[leviathan]

Yeah. So far Emma isn't coming anywhere even close to being as fucked up as Scott is at the moment.

You got that right. Scott is rapidly approaching irredeemable levels. I don't see how they're gonna explain away this behaviour if they ever want to return him to 'normal' apart from mental manipulation.

I guess if they turn Emma evil again it could be possible...

[HomerGator]

You got that right. Scott is rapidly approaching irredeemable levels. I don't see how they're gonna explain away this behaviour if they ever want to return him to 'normal' apart from mental manipulation.

I guess if they turn Emma evil again it could be possible...

Irredeemable? I don't see that at all. Questionable? Sure, but he's got his entire species' survival on his shoulders, and if a few psycho fucks have to be chopped to pieces to people like Pixie get to live their lives, so be it.

Not our usual Scott, sure, but he HAS been sleeping with the fucking White Queen.

[Ryan F]

Irredeemable? I don't see that at all. Questionable? Sure, but he's got his entire species' survival on his shoulders, and if a few psycho fucks have to be chopped to pieces to people like Pixie get to live their lives, so be it.

Not our usual Scott, sure, but he HAS been sleeping with the fucking White Queen.

Yeah, I think "death squad" is hyperbole. X-Force is a black-ops team that Scott is using to protect his people. His actions are no different than those taken by most political leaders under threat throughout history. Is he in danger of going too far? yes, that's what makes it interesting. Does the mere existence of X-Force make him irredeemable? I'd say no.

[leviathan]

Yeah, I think "death squad" is hyperbole. X-Force is a black-ops team that Scott is using to protect his people. His actions are no different than those taken by most political leaders under threat throughout history. Is he in danger of going too far? yes, that's what makes it interesting. Does the mere existence of X-Force make him irredeemable? I'd say no.

Which is why I said approaching. He isn't there yet and he would honestly have to stand in place while an execution without a trial was carried out in front of him before he actually reaches that level.

And like I said, all they have to do is make Emma evil again, reveal that she was manipulating him this entire time, and we have the old Scott back in 2 panels!

[Weasel21385]

There isn't anything even questionable about his actions. The purifiers kill hundreds of mutants so cyclops sends X-force to even the score. That's completely acceptable. Sometimes you have to make difficult decisions when you have to protect an entire species.

[dougmac]

Plus Cyclops has always been the XMens 5 star general now he's just being more realistically forced into making the hard choices that no one else can. I have always thought he should have been a bigger badass and feel like its about time for this.
Also, he hasnt lost his mind. He knows he cant publically condone this because of the bad name it would give mutants. Its cold, calculating, tactically sound, and an impressive use of power. It's really staying totally in character for him, a nice development for someone who has been through all that he has.

[Marcdachamp]

Irredeemable? I don't see that at all. Questionable? Sure, but he's got his entire species' survival on his shoulders, and if a few psycho fucks have to be chopped to pieces to people like Pixie get to live their lives, so be it.

Not our usual Scott, sure, but he HAS been sleeping with the fucking White Queen.

Exactly. They just gave him, you know, a personality. ;)

[leviathan]

Plus Cyclops has always been the XMens 5 star general now he's just being more realistically forced into making the hard choices that no one else can. I have always thought he should have been a bigger badass and feel like its about time for this.
Also, he hasnt lost his mind. He knows he cant publically condone this because of the bad name it would give mutants. Its cold, calculating, tactically sound, and an impressive use of power. It's really staying totally in character for him, a nice development for someone who has been through all that he has.

Really? I don't profess to be an expert, but Cyclops is doing exactly what Onslaught originally told the X-men he wanted to do (I just re-read X-men:Onslaught...) and they were ready to crucify the professor for it. I mean, policing/pacifying the few to justify the saving of the many? That's Onslaught's speech right there!!

The fact that Cyclops is unwilling to tell everyone about his actions and his plans and is hiding things even from Emma, I think, proves that he realises that he's on a slippery slope. Now, I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad move. I do, however, think that the character is being pushed in a direction that may or may not hinder his future development. Just my $.02.

[dougmac]

Really? I don't profess to be an expert, but Cyclops is doing exactly what Onslaught originally told the X-men he wanted to do (I just re-read X-men:Onslaught...) and they were ready to crucify the professor for it. I mean, policing/pacifying the few to justify the saving of the many? That's Onslaught's speech right there!!

The fact that Cyclops is unwilling to tell everyone about his actions and his plans and is hiding things even from Emma, I think, proves that he realises that he's on a slippery slope. Now, I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad move. I do, however, think that the character is being pushed in a direction that may or may not hinder his future development. Just my $.02.

he knows that other XMen will have objections to it, but that doesn't mean he would back away from it. He isnt about the popular decision, he's the leader through thick and thin. No doubt some would oppose some of his moves, but he knows he still has to make them.

[leviathan]

he knows that other XMen will have objections to it, but that doesn't mean he would back away from it. He isnt about the popular decision, he's the leader through thick and thin. No doubt some would oppose some of his moves, but he knows he still has to make them.

Hmm...good point. But to take this is a completely different direction: Do the X-men even have a right to judge him for this? Let's face it, Storm was more than willing to kill the baddies during the 80s when she had lost her powers and was sporting the 'hawk. Wolverine, I don't think can call anyone out on this issue. Even Colossus has killed in the past.

What I'm trying to say is that all of them have remarkably shady pasts. Is what Cyclops is doing really all that different? At least he has a noble purpose in mind.

[Criden]

I just wanted to mention that I love leviathan for bringing up Onslaught. Fuck the haters, that was a great crossover for the 90's. :)

[leviathan]

I just wanted to mention that I love leviathan for bringing up Onslaught. Fuck the haters, that was a great crossover for the 90's. :)

Heh...the really funny thing? That crossover has some of the most iconic images of the X-men I have ever seen. The Jean Grey image in her Marvel Girl costume; the Bishop costume that was designed by Joe Mad!; the bone claws Wolverine and the floating wheelchair of Prof X.

I know people hate on the story and whatnot (I enjoyed it for what it was so I don't really get that...) but the art was superb!

[Howlett]

I just wanted to mention that I love leviathan for bringing up Onslaught. Fuck the haters, that was a great crossover for the 90's. :)
Damn fucking straight!

A fucking huge event, that had some fairly great tie-in's, held off on featuring Wolverine at the height of his popularity and killed off the biggest heroes in the Marvel Universe (for a while)... and did the whole fucking thing in 2 months!

And event that big these days would probably take 9 or 10.
Heh...the really funny thing? That crossover has some of the most iconic images of the X-men I have ever seen. The Jean Grey image in her Marvel Girl costume; the Bishop costume that was designed by Joe Mad!; the bone claws Wolverine and the floating wheelchair of Prof X.

I know people hate on the story and whatnot (I enjoyed it for what it was so I don't really get that...) but the art was superb!

Huh? She was wearing her Jim Lee designed costume dude, not the green mini-skirt. You sure you're thinking of the right one?

Completely agreed on the rest though.

[juampi]

Onslaught was a great crossover, with a huge payoff to booth! Fuck the haters!


(I didn't like the addition of Magneto to the entity, tough...but it's a minor nitpick)

[Howlett]

Onslaught was great crossover, with a huge payoff to booth! Fuck the haters!


(I didn't like the addition of Magneto to the entity, tough...but it's a minor nitpick)

It definitely would've been cooler if it had just been Xavier going batshit insane from the pressure.

[juampi]

It definitely would've been cooler if it had just been Xavier going batshit insane from the pressure.

Exactly!

And even resolved dangling plotlines from the 90's like the traitor that Bishop was looking for since he saw that video recording of Jean.

[leviathan]

Damn fucking straight!

A fucking huge event, that had some fairly great tie-in's, held off on featuring Wolverine at the height of his popularity and killed off the biggest heroes in the Marvel Universe (for a while)... and did the whole fucking thing in 2 months!

And event that big these days would probably take 9 or 10.


Huh? She was wearing her Jim Lee designed costume dude, not the green mini-skirt. You sure you're thinking of the right one?

Completely agreed on the rest though.

Yeah, I'm referring to the Jim Lee designed one. Let's face it, after the 90s X-men toon, that was THE iconic costume for her. And Adam Kubert kicks it left, right and out of the park! Love his rendition of both the costume and Jean herself. In fact this is one of my all time favourite pages ever:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3251075043_7de84b921b_b.jpg

[juampi]

Yeah, I'm referring to the Jim Lee designed one. Let's face it, after the 90s X-men toon, that was THE iconic costume for her. And Adam Kubert kicks it left, right and out of the park! Love his rendition of both the costume and Jean herself. In fact this is one of my all time favourite pages ever:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3251075043_7de84b921b_b.jpg

True, but I hated the ponytail in the cartoon....

[Howlett]

Yeah, I'm referring to the Jim Lee designed one. Let's face it, after the 90s X-men toon, that was THE iconic costume for her. And Adam Kubert kicks it left, right and out of the park! Love his rendition of both the costume and Jean herself. In fact this is one of my all time favourite pages ever:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3251075043_7de84b921b_b.jpg
I can disagree with nothing from this post :rock:
True, but I hated the ponytail in the cartoon....

Definitely. Jean always struck me as a character who was supposed to have a wildness about her. When she'd cut loose with her powers, you'd get the sense of "Ooooooooh shit, methinks I picked the wrong person to irk" just before she decimated someone telepathically, which artists were able to depict pretty bloody well when the hair was loose and flowing. It had a cool look.

The tied up hair really dulled that coolness for me.

[SpecialK]

X-Position: X-Editors....Exclusive artwork! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19830)

[Lanowar]

X-Position: X-Editors....Exclusive artwork! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19830)

So judging by the front cover to Uncanny X-Men 508 they are fighting a legion of porn stars?

By the way what is Magento doing these days I don't follow X-Men and was curious where exactly he is. I heard somthing about being in space?

[HomerGator]

So judging by the front cover to Uncanny X-Men 508 they are fighting a legion of porn stars?

By the way what is Magento doing these days I don't follow X-Men and was curious where exactly he is. I heard somthing about being in space?

Well, after the... not so good Uncanny 500, he appears to be up to something involving the Celestial standing in San Francisco and the High Evolutionary. All of this SEEMS to be him trying to get his powers back, even though Skids read in that Morlock's book (think Destiny's diaries) that he still had his powers...

So, long answer short, Mags is around, and he IS up to something, but nobody knows what yet. Which is never ever a good sign...

[SpecialK]

So judging by the front cover to Uncanny X-Men 508 they are fighting a legion of porn stars?

By the way what is Magento doing these days I don't follow X-Men and was curious where exactly he is. I heard somthing about being in space?

I think the Fraction said 509 or 510 he's coming back, so.....start reading now!

[leviathan]

So judging by the front cover to Uncanny X-Men 508 they are fighting a legion of porn stars?

By the way what is Magento doing these days I don't follow X-Men and was curious where exactly he is. I heard somthing about being in space?

Hey...with Land, you not only get the super-heroes, you get the porn stars that can be photo-manipulated to look like them too!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I honestly prefer Land to Dodson. His art is dynamic and lively and I prefer that to Dodson's sterile cheesecake...

[The Human Target]

So an odd question that I figured I could ask her.

Can someone(s) fill me in on what the X-Men were like when they were presumed dead and set up in their Australian Outback base?

What issues did that run through, and who was on the team? Where were the other big X-Characters like Professor X and Cyclops?

I was asked to join a pen and paper RPG game based upon the X-Men of that time frame, so I kinda need a quick crash course on it if I'm gonna play.

[leviathan]

So an odd question that I figured I could ask her.

Can someone(s) fill me in on what the X-Men were like when they were presumed dead and set up in their Australian Outback base?

What issues did that run through, and who was on the team? Where were the other big X-Characters like Professor X and Cyclops?

I was asked to join a pen and paper RPG game based upon the X-Men of that time frame, so I kinda need a quick crash course on it if I'm gonna play.

Ok, I can't really help you with the X-men characterizations since I have read only a scattering of issues from that run. But as far as the other major characters were concerned: After Fall of Mutants, all the X-men not in Australia believed the X-men to be dead. This includes the members of X-Factor, which included Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast and Warren at the time.

Jean and Cyclops were getting back together because he assumed Madelyne was dead (she was 'killed' again with the X-men) while Beast spent a couple of months slowly losing his intellect because of a horseman of Apocalypse, Infectia. Prof X was in space at the time, spending time fighting to regain Lilandra's throne. Warren was coming to terms with his 'Death' persona while Iceman was still reeling from a power boost that prevented him from powering down and he had to use a special belt to control his powers.

I wish I could help more but that's all I can say conclusively. I'm sure other people will be able to help you with the X-men and the New Mutants. :)

[HomerGator]

The X-Men at the time were Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Havok, Colossus, Longshot, Psylocke (the cool, British, armored version, not the Asian version that still makes no sense), and Dazzler. Madelyne Pryor was hanging out with them, and Gateway was always hanging out on the same land.

I was never a big fan of New Mutants, so someone else will have to fill you in on that.

[The Human Target]

The X-Men at the time were Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Havok, Colossus, Longshot, Psylocke (the cool, British, armored version, not the Asian version that still makes no sense), and Dazzler. Madelyne Pryor was hanging out with them, and Gateway was always hanging out on the same land.

I was never a big fan of New Mutants, so someone else will have to fill you in on that.

So everyone on the roster is already taken for my game except for Longshot, Storm, Dazzler, and I guess Jubilee.

Which means I either have to have four fingers and a mullet or rock the vagina.

Lame.

Oh well, at least Storm has a mohawk then.

If anyone else wants to fill me in more, feel free please!

And thanks to everyone who's already chipped in.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

If you can be a New Mutant there's always Cypher...

[Spidey616]

Previews of next week's X Titles

Uncanny X-Men #506 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2055&disp=table)

X-Factor #40 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2056&disp=table)

X-Men: Kingbreaker #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2057&disp=table)

X-Men: Legacy #221 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2058&disp=table)

Young X-Men #11 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2059&disp=table)

[Howlett]

So an odd question that I figured I could ask her.

Can someone(s) fill me in on what the X-Men were like when they were presumed dead and set up in their Australian Outback base?

What issues did that run through, and who was on the team? Where were the other big X-Characters like Professor X and Cyclops?

I was asked to join a pen and paper RPG game based upon the X-Men of that time frame, so I kinda need a quick crash course on it if I'm gonna play.

The X-Men were "dead" from the end of issue 225 up to issue 271, when most of the team from the outback was discovered to still be alive by the public when they were captured and going to be put on trial in Genosha during the X-Tinction Agenda storyline (271 was part 4 and by the end, Wolverine and Psylocke had been publicly captured). Several team members didn't show up alive to the genereal public of the MU for a few more issues (Rogue and Colossus) and Dazzler and Longshot were missing for a good while longer I believe.

Baldy X wasn't a part of the books at the time. He was shacking up with Lilandra in space (and being replaced by a Skrull... y'heard me) and Cyclops was with X-Factor at the time, with the other original X-Men.

[HomerGator]

Anyone else reading X-Infernus? Really good stuff, IMO.

[Criden]

Anyone else reading X-Infernus? Really good stuff, IMO.

I dropped it after the first issue. Terrible dialogue.

[artimoff]

I dropped it after the first issue. Terrible dialogue.


You must not read too many comic.

It always amazes me how much people will love a comic with good dialogue but a terrible (or no) plot. I read stories because I like stories. If I wanted dialogue I'd rent My Dinner with Andre.

[HomerGator]

Heh. Yeah, it's not the best comic ever written, but it's definitely written by someone with a tangible love for the characters and the mythos. Each issue has had enough cool stuff to keep me coming back.

This last cliffhanger sucks for Kurt.

[SpecialK]

May Advance X-Solicitations from CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20050)

[Spidey616]

No Giant-Sized Old Man Logan conclusion for May :(
Oh well.

[Spidey616]

X-Factor #40 came out today and could it be......?

LAYLA MILLER IS BACK?!?!??!!?!?!

[Andrew]

No Giant-Sized Old Man Logan conclusion for May :(
Oh well.

A Giant-Size issue by Millar and McNiven?

I wouldn't expect that thing to come until like, July. At least.

[Fake Pat]

Uncanny still really isn't clicking for me.

[artimoff]

Uncanny still really isn't clicking for me.

Nope, me either. Too Slow & it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

[HOOKS]

If anyone wants a... fascinating... read, check out Peter David arguing with X-Fans on the CBR forums regarding spoilers (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=257744).

[SpecialK]

Messiah War Art Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/955/955579p1.html) with some beautiful Choi-ness.

[Spidey616]

That's some nice Choi art. Can't wait to see Cable and X-Force back in action
:bishop::wolverin:

[rwsmith]

I wonder if Cable and Hope will make it back at the end of Messiah War and, if so, whether he'll remain on X-Force as part of the team. Somehow I don't see Nate taking orders from Logan, so something tells me that X-Force isn't big enough for the both of them.

For that reason I'm thinking that Cable doesn't return to the present at the end of this thing, but maybe he does and just doesn't join X-Force. Or maybe he does join X-Force and Wolverine decides he's got too much other stuff going on and leaves.

[HOOKS]

With Cable protecting the future of all mutantkind, I don't think he's going to join his dad's covert super-secret stabbing club.

[Fake Pat]

According to Millar himself,

Black Bolt

shows up in the next Wolverine.

[Plainview]

I wonder if Cable and Hope will make it back at the end of Messiah War and, if so, whether he'll remain on X-Force as part of the team. Somehow I don't see Nate taking orders from Logan, so something tells me that X-Force isn't big enough for the both of them.

For that reason I'm thinking that Cable doesn't return to the present at the end of this thing, but maybe he does and just doesn't join X-Force. Or maybe he does join X-Force and Wolverine decides he's got too much other stuff going on and leaves.

I'm thinking the conflict will develop somewhat like this:

One of the time travel devices Scott asks Hank in X-force #12 doesn't work, so they have to leave someone (Cable, of course) there, but he doesn't want to give Hope to the team, perhaps because he doesn't trust them (Logan specially).

That or Cable decides that the girl has to stay in the future. Yost said something about Logan "getting an order he can't follow". I'm guessing it is "leave the girl with Cable", which, when he sees the state Cable is and the world they are living in, he decides to take Hope from him.

[Arion]

X-Factor #40 came out today and could it be......?

LAYLA MAYLER IS BACK?!?!??!!?!?!

I would like to see that.

[Criden]

I would like to see that.

You can, in X-Factor #40. :)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I don't see them logically replacing a big ticket draw like Wolverine with a C-list character like Cable but who knows. Most of what happens in Uncanny isn't logical either...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I read X-Factor 40 last night.


:rock:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Also, the latest issues of Uncanny and X-Men were pretty awesome, too.

[HomerGator]

I don't see them logically replacing a big ticket draw like Wolverine with a C-list character like Cable but who knows. Most of what happens in Uncanny isn't logical either...

While I agree with your point, I do have to take issue with calling Cable c-list.... as far as X-characters, I might put him in the a-list... as far as the MU as a whole, he's b-list at worst.

[rwsmith]

Once upon a time Cable was definitely A-list (around the time he first appeared when Marvel was pimping him pretty hard by giving him a new X-team called X-Force, teaming him up with guys like Spider-man, Ghost Rider and Wolverine), but I feel like his popularity has been steadily dropping ever since the mid-90's. At this point, I'd say that he's a C-list player, at least in the minds of most creators and fans (which I suppose is how these things are measured). Hell, Luke Cage and Iron Fist are bigger draws than Cable is now!

Personally I blame all of the insular, convoluted Askan'i nonsense that was added to the character's origin throughout the 90's. It's made him pretty impenetrable for most people, and it seems like a lot of creators shy away from him for that reason. I tend to like him better when writers ignore most of that stuff, and I think both Mike Carey and Duane Swiercynski have done a good job of that.

I hope that if Cable does come back to the present they'll make him a mainstay in one of the X-team books (don't care which one), and that they'll also restore some of the mystery surrounding the character. Not in terms of who is, as we unfortunately know that now, but rather in terms of what he gets up to when he's not with his other X-teammates. Make him a mercenary again, performing missions for all types of organizations and governments, but with an overarching agenda that's all his own. He wants to mold a better future with what he knows about our time from his (now alternate) future, but what he knows was ancient history in his time (so he's making a lot of assumptions). In addition, he keeps everyone at arms length when it comes to what he knows and why he's doing what he's doing, so sometimes he does things that his teammates don't understand or even approve of in certain instances. He'd be kind of like the X-men's version of John Locke on Lost in that way.

In other words, make him an enigma again and a thorn in certain people's sides (e.g., Norman Osborn, other countries' governments, even Cyclops himself at times) like he used to be when he was popular.

If that doesn't work, then I give up. Maybe he should just stay in the future in that case. :surrend:

[billthomason]

The Askani stuff from the first half of the 90's was really not that complicated. Cable's origin is pretty straightforward.

[rwsmith]

Try explaining it to a non-comic reader or just casual fan who hasn't read many X-men books. I've done this before and people's reactions are pretty amusing. My wife, for example, thought it all sounded pretty stupid---especially the later stuff with Rachel being Mother Askan'i (despite being born thousands of years prior) and Scott and Jean's spirits going to the future for like a decade so they could raise Cable as "Redd" and "Slym" (*groan*).

Just too insular and a bit on the ridiculous side, even by comic book standards.

[billthomason]

Try explaining it to a non-comic reader or just casual fan who hasn't read many X-men books. I've done this before and people's reactions are pretty amusing. My wife, for example, thought it all sounded pretty stupid---especially the later stuff with Rachel being Mother Askan'i (despite being born thousands of years prior) and Scott and Jean's spirits going to the future for like a decade so they could raise Cable as "Redd" and "Slym" (*groan*).

Just too insular and a bit on the ridiculous side, even by comic book standards.

People just have to realize that its not all physical. Mother Askani, Slym, Redd, Apocalypse, all of these people were minds within the shells of others. But its because we're dealing with super powerful telepaths, some of the most powerful in the Marvel universe. I don't think its that much of a stretch given that we're talking about comics.

[rwsmith]

Maybe not that much of stretch, but still very insular and convenient that Rachel, Scott and Jean can all be there 2,000 years in the future with Nathan. I mean, if they could do that then, why couldn't they just do this sort of thing all the time to see what's going to happen? Have Emma project herself into the future to find Cable and Hope and see what's up with them. Or to stop Bishop.

For that matter, why not use the time-travel devices that Beast whips up in this week's X-Force (as shown in the preview) to jump backwards and stop M-Day from happening? Or, in Bishop's case, why not jump back to the day Hope was born and try to kill her before Cable can rescue her from the Purifiers? Seems silly for him to destroy the future and go through all of that trouble when the path of least resistance is to just jump backwards. :-?

This is the type of thing that really bugs me about these type of stories and why I tend to stay away from them. Hopefully after Messiah War, X-Force will not dabble in time-travel for a good loooong while.

[HomerGator]

Maybe not that much of stretch, but still very insular and convenient that Rachel, Scott and Jean can all be there 2,000 years in the future with Nathan. I mean, if they could do that then, why couldn't they just do this sort of thing all the time to see what's going to happen? Have Emma project herself into the future to find Cable and Hope and see what's up with them. Or to stop Bishop.

For that matter, why not use the time-travel devices that Beast whips up in this week's X-Force (as shown in the preview) to jump backwards and stop M-Day from happening? Or, in Bishop's case, why not jump back to the day Hope was born and try to kill her before Cable can rescue her from the Purifiers? Seems silly for him to destroy the future and go through all of that trouble when the path of least resistance is to just jump backwards. :-?

This is the type of thing that really bugs me about these type of stories and why I tend to stay away from them. Hopefully after Messiah War, X-Force will not dabble in time-travel for a good loooong while.

To be fair, we've seen what happens when mutants try to change the past, ie. Legion trying to kill Magneto before he became the Magneto that makes the whole world piss its collective pants. The results weren't great for anybody, except maybe Apocalypse...

[rwsmith]

But...that's exactly what Bishop is trying to do by killing the mutant messiah child!? The present is his past, and he's willing to destroy the whole world in order to change his past and prevent his future from happening! So why wouldn't he just jump backwards to kill her when she was born rather than go through all of the effort of destroying the world? Both are "changing the past" for him?

Just seems dumb to me.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'd prefer they get rid all of the time traveling nonsense. Reveal that every time traveling reveal was actually false memories planted and people unfortunate enough to go with Bishop, Cable, or Rachel were actually in part of Limbo. I'd make Bishop a mutant cop from DC with a wife and kid wondering what's happened to him, Cable is a man from Magneto and Xavier's era infected with the transmode (I'd have little Nathan show up as a healthy three year old hidden somewhere), and that Marvel Girl is actually the daughter of Christopher Summers and Sarah Grey...

[HomerGator]

I'd prefer they get rid all of the time traveling nonsense. Reveal that every time traveling reveal was actually false memories planted and people unfortunate enough to go with Bishop, Cable, or Rachel were actually in part of Limbo. I'd make Bishop a mutant cop from DC with a wife and kid wondering what's happened to him, Cable is a man from Magneto and Xavier's era infected with the transmode (I'd have little Nathan show up as a healthy three year old hidden somewhere), and that Marvel Girl is actually the daughter of Christopher Summers and Sarah Grey...

What you just said is way more confusing than time traveling.

[artimoff]

Cable is easy. Cyclops' kid get's infected by a virus that turns his skin to metal & he sends him into the future to save him. He returns (before he left) as a 50 year old man who kicks ass. He has a metal arm.

[Plainview]

What you just said is way more confusing than time traveling.

It certainly is.

[billthomason]

The thing with the time traveling before, and I can't comment on whats happening at this moment because I haven't read any post MC books yet, is that pretty much ALL of the time traveling was done by characters from the distant future. I can't really remember a story where anyone from the present started time traveling. If they do or would have just kept it as a future tech, then I see no problem with the story.

[Spidey616]

This week at CBR X-POSITION: Matt Fraction (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20160) and some nice Dodson pages

Looks like Archangel makes an appearance in UXM :)


http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/507/UNCX507002_150i.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/507/UNCX507003_150i.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/507/UNCX507007_150i.jpg

[MabusRex]

X-Force kicked ass this week!
Sad to see Beautiful Dreamer die. But man I love this book! Miss Choi but Crane was great to see back on art.

[Fake Pat]

X-Force kicked ass this week!
Sad to see Beautiful Dreamer die. But man I love this book! Miss Choi but Crane was great to see back on art.

I like Choi's work, and I think he's a hell of guy, but X-Force is Crain's book. I don't know why, but it just works so much better for me when he's doing the art.

And yeah, another perfectly solid issue.

[artimoff]

X-Force kicked ass this week!
Sad to see Beautiful Dreamer die. But man I love this book! Miss Choi but Crane was great to see back on art.


Isn't she one of the Forever People at DC?

[Spidey616]

X-Men First Class fans should be happy with the new project announcement.

WonderCon '09 - An 'All-New, All-Different First Class' (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090228-wondercon09-uncanny-firstclass.html)

http://i.livescience.com/images/ucnxfc_cover2-02.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/ucnxfc_cover3_rgb_sm-02.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/uxfc_cov-02.jpg

[artimoff]

X-Men First Class fans should be happy with the new project announcement.

WonderCon '09 - An 'All-New, All-Different First Class' (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090228-wondercon09-uncanny-firstclass.html)

http://i.livescience.com/images/ucnxfc_cover2-02.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/ucnxfc_cover3_rgb_sm-02.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/uxfc_cov-02.jpg


Every time I think Marvel fucks something up and I want to give up on them completely they come out with a book like this that gets my money.

[Marcdachamp]

What you just said is way more confusing than time traveling.

Agreed. :surrend:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

It made sense in my head as a bigger thing to get rid of Jean Grey as Phoenix but I will concede I could have articulated it better.

And that is Uncanny First Class? Where are the ugly costume changes that make it impossible to accept the stories as in canon?

[artimoff]

It made sense in my head as a bigger thing to get rid of Jean Grey as Phoenix but I will concede I could have articulated it better.

And that is Uncanny First Class? Where are the ugly costume changes that make it impossible to accept the stories as in canon?


They note in the first class books that they are wearing costumes that arn't their normal ones.

Also, this is the Bendis board. Continuity is a dirty word. If it wern't the Avengers Dissassembled would have been hated by all, yet it's loved by most on this board.

[HomerGator]

Just got caught up last night:

X-Factor was great, as usual. Just great.

X-Force was awesome. Very interesting way of getting rid of mutants AND upping the stakes even more at the same time.

X-Men: Legacy was good, too. I really liked the use of the old danger room programs.

Uncanny was good, too. I really like this book a lot more when the Dodsons are drawing it, as opposed to Greg Land. I get the feeling that Fraction could write an entire series surrounding Hank and Warren's science team.

[Fake Pat]

Uncanny was good, too. I really like this book a lot more when the Dodsons are drawing it, as opposed to Greg Land. I get the feeling that Fraction could write an entire series surrounding Hank and Warren's science team.

I wish he was.

The Colossus and Emma storylines are a snooooooooze.

[HomerGator]

I wish he was.

The Colossus and Emma storylines are a snooooooooze.

Really? I've been enjoying them. Oh, well. To each his own.

The next issue is the one where Warren slips up in front of the science team, right? That should be awesome.

[Fake Pat]

Marvel just gave me the perfect jumping off point for UXM:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20244

Really never thought I'd drop a Fraction book, but Messiah War is enough X-related-X-over for me.

[NickT]

Marvel just gave me the perfect jumping off point for UXM:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20244

Really never thought I'd drop a Fraction book, but Messiah War is enough X-related-X-over for me.
Not liking that. Not only do I dislike fullon crossovers, but Bendis isn't even writing it so why even put it in Dark Avengers in the first place?



I wont be dropping anything since I buy both books anyway, but I hate fullon crossovers :(

[HomerGator]

I'm actually rather looking forward to this. I just wish there weren't Alpha and Omega issues. It's beginning to smell a bit like 1993...

[hveasey1213]

I actually like the plans for the Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men cross-over, and doing it this way only makes me have to pick up the Alpha/Omega parts in addition to the books I already buy. I would've thought something like this would've gotten its own separate mini (not that I'm complaining).

It's nice to see some forward movement on the Emma front as well. I feel like since the first Cabal image we've been told to wait and see what happens with her, and hopefully we'll finally get to see some shit go down.

[Fake Pat]

Not liking that. Not only do I dislike fullon crossovers, but Bendis isn't even writing it so why even put it in Dark Avengers in the first place?



I wont be dropping anything since I buy both books anyway, but I hate fullon crossovers :(

The price increases make this even harder for me to justify.

DA is 4 a pop, the specials will probably be 4. Lame.

[Spidey616]

Marvel just gave me the perfect jumping off point for UXM:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20244

Really never thought I'd drop a Fraction book, but Messiah War is enough X-related-X-over for me.

HOLY....! :shock:

http://comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1235851912.jpg

[iGotKittyPryde]

I'm pretty stoked for it, personally.

Except for the Silverstri opening. Ugh. The Messiah Complex One Shot has some of the most groan inducing Image-y 90s art of anything I own.

[rwsmith]

I wonder if Cable will be back for this or not? Probably not. Regardless, sounds cool.

[Fake Pat]

I wonder if Cable will be back for this or not? Probably not. Regardless, sounds cool.

I gotta feeling he will be.

I bet you that after MW Cable is hanging out in the present again.

[rwsmith]

I hope you're right, but nothing I've read indicates that. Have you seen anything that would imply that he might return?

[Fake Pat]

I hope you're right, but nothing I've read indicates that. Have you seen anything that would imply that he might return?

The whole point of MW as far as I can tell seems to be dealing with bringing Hope back and kind of figuring out her deal.

If that happens, Cable doesn't need to keep hiding her in the future.

[The Roman]

MW?

Sorry, out of the loop.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The whole point of MW as far as I can tell seems to be dealing with bringing Hope back and kind of figuring out her deal.

If that happens, Cable doesn't need to keep hiding her in the future.

Not to mention the whole Exilesesque time hopping is pretty formulaic and gets real old real fast.

I've only read the first arc of Cable thus far and was pretty meh about it overall so Nathan coming back to the present is a must for me to continue reading.

That said i've heard good things about the book post first arc and Messiah War is a must read for me.

[Fake Pat]

MW?

Sorry, out of the loop.

Messiah War.

X-Force/Cable x-over starting next month. Sort of a sequel to Messiah Complex.

Looks pretty good, in a fun/over-the-top/the-good-kind-of-dumb way.

[The Roman]

Not to mention the whole Exilesesque time hopping is pretty formulaic and gets real old real fast.

I've only read the first arc of Cable thus far and was pretty meh about it overall so Nathan coming back to the present is a must for me to continue reading.

That said i've heard good things about the book post first arc and Messiah War is a must read for me.

Okay, Messiah War? Enlighten me.

EDIT: Nevermind, Cable and X-Force. Interesting.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Regarding Stryfe last i remember him was in the finale to X-Cutioner's Song and the 2 issue Cable mini by JRJR. But i heard he later returned in X-Man was that "OUR" Stryfe or an alternate Earth's? I remember Warren Ellis during Counter X shifted Nate Gray to a parallel universe but anything after that is lost to me.

[Fake Pat]

Regarding Stryfe last i remember him was in the finale to X-Cutioner's Song and the 2 issue Cable mini by JRJR. But i heard he later returned in X-Man was that "OUR" Stryfe or an alternate Earth's? I remember Warren Ellis during Counter X shifted Nate Gray to a parallel universe but anything after that is lost to me.

All I know is that he's back, he's pointy, and Crain will get to draw him stab shit.

And that's all I need to know.

[Vonn Hennigar]

All I know is that he's back, he's pointy, and Crain will get to draw him stab shit.

And that's all I need to know.

Stab Shit with his MIND!!!

:rock:

Unless he gets nerfed Stryfe is an absurdly powerful villain.

[Fake Pat]

Stab Shit with his MIND!!!

:rock:

Unless he gets nerfed Stryfe is an absurdly powerful villain.

And those claw-thingies they gave him.

I never read anything with him. He was pretty much evil Cable, right?

[The Roman]

And those claw-thingies they gave him.

I never read anything with him. He was pretty much evil Cable, right?

In fact, he was quite literally an evil Cable.


As in they are the same person.

[The Roman]

Huh, Hellion is scheduled to appear in X-Force #13.


Apparently to address the open-ended questions of his relationship with X-23.

[NickT]

Huh, Hellion is scheduled to appear in X-Force #13.


Apparently to address the open-ended questions of his relationship with X-23.
So they're killing him? :razz:

[The Roman]

So they're killing him? :razz:

Maybe Elixir can give him a nice little brain tumor to go with the gaping chest wounds as well?

[Spidey616]

Newserama report onn the X-Men WonderCon Panel and the other announcements beides the DA/UXM crossover

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090301-wondercon-xmen.html

[billthomason]

In fact, he was quite literally an evil Cable.


As in they are the same person.

They're clones. But Cable was raised by Cyclops and Jean while Stryfe was raised by Apocalypse.

[The Roman]

They're clones. But Cable was raised by Cyclops and Jean while Stryfe was raised by Apocalypse.

Yes, which makes them the same person as they have the same genetic information, right down to the last molecule.

Who raised them is moot. Just saying. :p

[billthomason]

Yes, which makes them the same person as they have the same genetic information, right down to the last molecule.

Who raised them is moot. Just saying. :p

Heh. I got ya. I was just busting balls. Same person could be read as literally, they are the same person.

[MabusRex]

So they're killing him? :razz:

Well, it IS in the middle of the Leper Queen's Legacy virus story. Oh and here's a page that looks like him. ;)

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/7029new_storyimage5584551_full.jpg
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7029.X-Force~colon~_Who_is_the_Leper_Queen%3F

Duh duh DUH!

[The Roman]

:scared:

[Fake Pat]

He'll make it out.

I'd bet money on it.

[The Roman]

He'll make it out.

I'd bet money on it.

Really? I mean it's not as if they'll killed far more popular characters than Julian.


or perhaps I underestimate his popularity? :dunno:



Seriously, it's more likely going to be a plot device for trying to make X-23 seem mildly more human.

[HomerGator]

Regarding the Cable/Stryfe thing, I'm pretty sure Cable is Nathan Christopher Summers, the original baby of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor that was kidnapped by Apocalypse and sent into the future, and Stryfe was a clone made of Nathan by the people that took him to the future that they allowed to be captured and raised by Apocalypse so he wouldn't be looking for the 'real' Nathan....

Am I remembering incorrectly? I thought this was established back in the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix mini back in the day by.... was it Lobdell and Gene Ha?

[billthomason]

Regarding the Cable/Stryfe thing, I'm pretty sure Cable is Nathan Christopher Summers, the original baby of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor that was kidnapped by Apocalypse and sent into the future, and Stryfe was a clone made of Nathan by the people that took him to the future that they allowed to be captured and raised by Apocalypse so he wouldn't be looking for the 'real' Nathan....

Am I remembering incorrectly? I thought this was established back in the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix mini back in the day by.... was it Lobdell and Gene Ha?

Almost right. The Askani raised both clones because they were afraid Nathan would die. But when Apocalypse's forces attacked, they tried to rescue both babies, but could only manage to rescue Nathan. Apocalypse's forces took baby Stryfe and brought him to be raised and eventually possessed by Apocalypse's soul.

[Marcdachamp]

I loved Stryfe as a kid. X-Cutioner's Song was one of my first X-Men stories, and I even had the figure.

[HomerGator]

Almost right. The Askani raised both clones because they were afraid Nathan would die. But when Apocalypse's forces attacked, they tried to rescue both babies, but could only manage to rescue Nathan. Apocalypse's forces took baby Stryfe and brought him to be raised and eventually possessed by Apocalypse's soul.

So, if they're both clones, what's up with baby Nathan? Did he die?

[billthomason]

So, if they're both clones, what's up with baby Nathan? Did he die?
Whoops. I mean that the Askani raised both, one Nathan, and one clone. Nathan is Cable. The clone is Stryfe.

[HomerGator]

Whoops. I mean that the Askani raised both, one Nathan, and one clone. Nathan is Cable. The clone is Stryfe.

OK, cool. That's what I thought. Thanks, Bill!

[Spidey616]

This week X-POSITION: Duane Swierczynski (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20283) talking about Cable

[rwsmith]

Too bad he didn't give us any hints whatsoever as to the direction of Cable going forward. I was hoping for some teases to get us excited (especially if they involved him finally coming back to the present and/or some closure to the whole "cat and mouse game" with Bishop). As it stands I'm kind of bored with Cable. I hope he comes back to the X-men soon and his book goes through some changes. Personally I'd like to see him as a mercenary again in his spare time, but with his own overarching agenda, of course.

[Spidey616]

Cable #13 variant cover revealed. Cable & Deadpool fans rejoice!

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/1/l_7e32a2713b0347edbb0de2393b17cd41.jpg

[Spidey616]

And the X-Force #14 cover reveals much as well


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/959/959832/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090305034022240.jpg

[SpecialK]

And the X-Force #14 cover reveals much as well


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/959/959832/x-forcecable-messiah-war-event-20090305034022240.jpg

What's so revealy about that? Sometimes, covers are just covers.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

And Stryfe looks unfortunately the same as he used to...

[Spidey616]

Alright! Wolverine #71 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/960/960178p1.html) complete with VENOM T-REX action!

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/960/960178/wolverine-vol-3-20090306032417970.jpg

[Fake Pat]

Alright! Wolverine #71 Preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/960/960178p1.html) complete with VENOM T-REX action!

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/960/960178/wolverine-vol-3-20090306032417970.jpg

Boy, there is some pretty rushed looking stuff in that preview.

[artimoff]

Boy, there is some pretty rushed looking stuff in that preview.


Meh. The last thing I loved that her drew was his New Avengers Arc. Civil War & OML have left me cold.

[Marcdachamp]

Meh. The last thing I loved that her drew was his New Avengers Arc. Civil War & OML have left me cold.

You are insane, sir.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Anyone else think that the artists for War of Kings got some very dated reference material? The Marvel Girl figure work looks like it's being copied from old Romita JR panels and in my opinion that's never a good thing...

[leviathan]

Anyone else think that the artists for War of Kings got some very dated reference material? The Marvel Girl figure work looks like it's being copied from old Romita JR panels and in my opinion that's never a good thing...

But she was drawn pretty much the same in X-men: Kingbreaker, no? And that is in turn a basic continuation of her look from the Brubaker year in space storyline...

If anything, I think Marvel is trying to make her look like that version of the character.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Oh well. It's a small thing to dislike, although I did dislike every thing about WoK 1 that wasn't directly related to the Kree or the Inhumans.

[SpecialK]

Oh well. It's a small thing to dislike, although I did dislike every thing about WoK 1 that wasn't directly related to the Kree or the Inhumans.

Even "Wait....didn't I kill you?" :cool:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Okay. That was cool. It was just so paint by numbers compared to that incredible one shot and Pelletier's art was nowhere near as good as I've seen it in the past. Maybe X-Men mixed into this kind of event isn't the good thing I'd hoped it would be...

[jason hissong]

Nightcrawler was always my favorite.

[Spidey616]

The Nightcrawler Museum. Heheheh :D

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2168&disp=table

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2168/prv2168_pg7.jpg

[Foggy's Pal]

If X-Men Forever is bi-weekly why is only one artist listed? Surely, he can't do two books per month.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Didn't Grummett manage that a few months? I know Bagley could do 18 a year...

[Spidey616]

Deadpool #9 just got better after seeing some preview pages in this week's X-POSITION: Daniel Way (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20375)

TASKMASTER REMATCH :)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/news/x-position/031009/DPOOL009005.jpg