The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[HOOKS]

It is Larry Stroman.

[artimoff]

looks like LArry Stroman is going to be the new regular penciler on X-factor come summer time, marvel's website is running a week long x-factor spotlight

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2855.Announcing_X-Factor_Week_On_Marvel%7Edot%7Ecom

I'll be dropping to book. His art looks like vomit.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I don't like X-Factor very much to begin with and I have to agree that Stroman would make me decide to finally drop the book.

[Ben]

Stroman's art looks fine to me. And PAD's writing is too good to ever consider dropping this.

[Joe Henderson]

I don't like X-Factor very much to begin with and I have to agree that Stroman would make me decide to finally drop the book.

I just recently re-read the Peter David: Visionaries trades, and I've got to say, I never appreciated Stroman's art at the time, but it's some really dynamic stuff. I'm all for having him come back, though his style seems at odds with the more noirish tone David's been going for.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Stroman's art looks fine to me. And PAD's writing is too good to ever consider dropping this.

Ayup. I agree

[Fake Pat]

Hmmm.

Between Uncanny right now and some hints that Fraction dropped this weekend, it sounds an awful lot like the X-Men may be relocating to San Francisco.

[Fake Pat]

WOW. Insane theory I just came up with/borderline fan-fiction:

What if Dazzler is the one behind what's going on in San Fran right now in Uncanny? Dazzler ends up in San Fran performing (she does have a decent gay following in real life, right? I know that's kinda stereotypical with the SF=gay thing but hear me out), and what goes along with the disco/SF lifestyle/fall from fame? Drugs (again, I know kinda stereotypical, but still...). She accidently gets a dose of MGH, and it amps her light powers up to the point where she can make illusions. That's why SF is one big love-in/dance party. They gotta keep the music going in that house that she's in/keep her strung out to keep the show going.

Am I just crazy, or what?

[MabusRex]

Hmmm.

Between Uncanny right now and some hints that Fraction dropped this weekend, it sounds an awful lot like the X-Men may be relocating to San Francisco.

Well, the Golden Gate Bridge IS in the background of that UXM 500 cover they were previewing...

[Fake Pat]

Well, the Golden Gate Bridge IS in the background of that UXM 500 cover they were previewing...

Yup, good call.

They're totally moving to SF.

[HOOKS]

I thought they pretty much confirmed it at WWLA.

Salvador Larocca's designing the new San Francisco-based X-Mansion, which ought to be interesting.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:crazy:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The additions of Darwin and Longshot have me more excited about X-Factor than I have been in a long time. I think I've been rather vocal with my general apathy toward the former roster, haven't I? The two newbies are changing that. Mostly it is the idea of what a writer of PAD's talent can do with them. Darwin is almost a blank slate character wise so there's no barrier to his becoming a classic, richly developed PAD character. Interestingly, I think there are just as few barriers with Longshot. Even in his debut mini, Longshot was short on characterization and his time in Uncanny X-Men and eXiles did little to change that. More importantly, I want to see what PAD can do with their powers. PAD and someone who has evolution as his ability? I can't even imagine where he'll go with that one! Longshot should also be interesting since he is only humanoid, not human, and the luck powers will be an interesting foil to the annoying Layla if she returns. What if there use upsets what she knows? Will we see Layla scramble to redo her plans every time Longshot acts?

Oh, and I think the Messiah baby is Jamie and Theresa's. If Layla were to return from the future while Theresa's delivering maybe the baby could be knocked into the time stream in exchange. The baby's coloring is stereotypically Irish after all...

[HomerGator]

I didn't know Longshot was joining X-Factor, too. Kickass.

[HomerGator]

So I just read Ultimate X-Men 91. What did everyone think?

I actually really liked it. I think the last two issues have probably been Kirkman's strongest (a lot of that probably has to do with Salvador Larocca). Ultimate Apocalypse is fucking BADASS.

[Marcdachamp]

The additions of Darwin and Longshot have me more excited about X-Factor than I have been in a long time. I think I've been rather vocal with my general apathy toward the former roster, haven't I? The two newbies are changing that. Mostly it is the idea of what a writer of PAD's talent can do with them. Darwin is almost a blank slate character wise so there's no barrier to his becoming a classic, richly developed PAD character. Interestingly, I think there are just as few barriers with Longshot. Even in his debut mini, Longshot was short on characterization and his time in Uncanny X-Men and eXiles did little to change that. More importantly, I want to see what PAD can do with their powers. PAD and someone who has evolution as his ability? I can't even imagine where he'll go with that one! Longshot should also be interesting since he is only humanoid, not human, and the luck powers will be an interesting foil to the annoying Layla if she returns. What if there use upsets what she knows? Will we see Layla scramble to redo her plans every time Longshot acts?

Oh, and I think the Messiah baby is Jamie and Theresa's. If Layla were to return from the future while Theresa's delivering maybe the baby could be knocked into the time stream in exchange. The baby's coloring is stereotypically Irish after all...

Apathy toward the roster? I've only been an X-Factor fan since the relaunch and PAD TOTALLY sold me on the cast. Even Guido.

I am looking forward to the additions, though. Interesting choices. We'll see how he pulls them off.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The only cast member I've liked in the past has been Rictor and the combination of him being depowered and now saying he was bisexual and then never acting like it has changed that. The others I have traditionally not cared for and even PAD's talent hasn't changed that, especially M.

And can we start calling Theresa Banshee? I'm never sure how to spell or pronounce her nom de alter ego and banshees are traditionally female anyways...

[Marcdachamp]

The only cast member I've liked in the past has been Rictor and the combination of him being depowered and now saying he was bisexual and then never acting like it has changed that. The others I have traditionally not cared for and even PAD's talent hasn't changed that, especially M.

And can we start calling Theresa Banshee? I'm never sure how to spell or pronounce her nom de alter ego and banshees are traditionally female anyways...

It's pronounced "Siren".

Rictor's sexuality was a question back in the day. PAD just had a little fun with the speculation.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

With the dearth of gay or bisexual characters getting panel time on a regular basis I think it's a shame it was just a page or two of fun rather than serious storytelling. Who here didn't think it would have been a great twist had Rictor really been having an affair with Pietro?

[brianhalpin]

The only cast member I've liked in the past has been Rictor and the combination of him being depowered and now saying he was bisexual and then never acting like it has changed that. The others I have traditionally not cared for and even PAD's talent hasn't changed that, especially M.

And can we start calling Theresa Banshee? I'm never sure how to spell or pronounce her nom de alter ego and banshees are traditionally female anyways...


I've always wondered if Marvel realised that Banshee means "Fairy Woman"

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

This is the company that did give us a were-woman after all...

[Sy-Klone]

I just discovered that my copy of Wolverine #63 was misprinted. The misprint was basically this: I got the first six pages. Then the first six pages repeated. Then I got the next six pages. Then the next six pages repeated.

I went to the shop today to swap out my misprinted copy, and the guy at the shop told me that all the copies of Wolverine #63 he received were misprinted and they're trying to straighten it out with Diamond.

Phooey. :(

Anyone else experience something like this?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I just read ClanDestine #2. The ending made me so incredibly fucking happy. I did not see it coming at all, and it was all the better for it.

[HomerGator]

I just read ClanDestine #2. The ending made me so incredibly fucking happy. I did not see it coming at all, and it was all the better for it.

I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the classic Alan Davis Excalibur.

I base this entirely off of future solicitations.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the classic Alan Davis Excalibur.

I base this entirely off of future solicitations.

Indeed. :boogie:

[HomerGator]

Indeed. :boogie:

Sweet! I'll have to pick it up.

[artimoff]

Did anyone buy "X-Men vs. Apocalypse: the Twelve" tpb?

It has 4 issues of Cable (2 by Leifeld), 3 issues of Wolverine, 2 issues of X-Men & 2 of Uncanny as well as 2 pages of X-Man.

All the Cable issues & 2 of the Wolverine issues could be completely skipped without loss of understanding.

Chris Claremont is the uncredited scripter of one of the X-Men issues & it's just plain awful.

[HomerGator]

Did anyone buy "X-Men vs. Apocalypse: the Twelve" tpb?

It has 4 issues of Cable (2 by Leifeld), 3 issues of Wolverine, 2 issues of X-Men & 2 of Uncanny as well as 2 pages of X-Man.

All the Cable issues & 2 of the Wolverine issues could be completely skipped without loss of understanding.

Chris Claremont is the uncredited scripter of one of the X-Men issues & it's just plain awful.

I remember one of my first days of college (back in Jan. 2000) I was browsing around a bookstore waiting for my roommate, and I happened upon some comics. I hadn't read any since dropping everything circa Age of Apocalypse and Spidey clone saga, and saw a picture of Apocalypse and Cyclops throwing down, and figured I had to take a look and see if things were better.

The comic I was looking at was the issue Cyclops 'dies' fighting Apocalypse, and it was AWFUL. Just ridiculous. Kept me away from comics all-together for another three years and some months.

[Andres Pacheco]

Very nice looking Choi art.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3017.EXCLUSIVE~colon~_Uncanny_X-Men_%23497_First_Look

[HOOKS]

Today's MY CUP O' JOE officially announced the roster for ASTONISHING X-MEN:

Cyclops, Emma Frost, Wolverine, Beast, Storm and Armor.

We could pretty much tell from the Bianchi preview art, but it's nice to get official confirmation.

[HOOKS]

Very nice looking Choi art.
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3017.EXCLUSIVE~colon~_Uncanny_X-Men_%23497_First_Look

...I just realized that the X-Men are fighting hippies and commies throughout this entire arc.

[HomerGator]

Man, this thread dies a slow death like every other week.

Anyone else looking forward to Charlie Huston's X-Force one-shot in a couple months?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Man, this thread dies a slow death like every other week.

Anyone else looking forward to Charlie Huston's X-Force one-shot in a couple months?

I blame myself. :surrend:

A who what?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I find it hard to look forward to any Huston project, especially if it impinges on the PAD-iverse. It would have to be drawn by Colleen Doran or Greg Land and feature a Northstar-Rictor team-up to get me to buy it.

[Balefuego]

It's X-Force not X-Factor

[Fake Pat]

Man, I was kinda nervous about Bianchi on AXM, but this cover:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/apr082313.html

makes me feel a lot better.

Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus all look pretty good.

[artimoff]

Man, I was kinda nervous about Bianchi on AXM, but this cover:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/apr082313.html

.



That looks horrible. It looks like Storm has leg warmers.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Horrible doesn't begin to describe that.

[Lanowar]

Horrible doesn't begin to describe that.

His Deadpool is on the freaky side too

[HomerGator]

Anyone else get Young X-Men?

I rather liked it, actually. The art wasn't great, and the writing felt a bit stiff at times, but I think this has potential. It CERTAINLY wasn't as good as Yost/Kyle's New X-Men, but hey, that was a successful book with a cool creative team and line-up. It had to go.

I loved that last page. Wha? Scotty's gotta be mistaken about something, right? RIGHT?

[artimoff]

I fliped through it. I thought the art looked great. Also, I figured out who the Brotherhood was when I saw the cover of issue #2.

[billthomason]

I guess I don't understand the need to ditch the New X-men book to make way for Young X-men. Why does the storyline need to alter the actual book production? Seems like Marvel may really have blown it on this one.

[joeAR]

Man, I was kinda nervous about Bianchi on AXM, but this cover:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/apr082313.html

makes me feel a lot better.

Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus all look pretty good.


I'm a big fan of that Nightcrawler costume.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Young X-Men was good. I knew Guggs would do a great job. I mean, look at his other output. Even his worst is beter than a lot of others can do. The art was a pleasant surprise, the actual plot was good, and all the characterizations were darn good except for Wolf Cub. Wasn't he the youngest character in New X-Men? I also liked that Guggs didn't lie and there was no hit ordered on the Brotherhood. My only real objection is the former New Mutants having Evil as part of the name. Unless they turn out to be under some sort of control I don't see it.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The new Cable series while perfectly competent is moving at a fucking snails pace :(

So far Cable has shown up in dystopian future # 1,341,412 and fought some hillbillys and then run into Bishop.

Where's the hook? With Marvel's recap page, even newbs will be able to follow this plot easily but that's because the plot is so elementary...Cable protecting a child from a "bad guy". I don't expect a long drawn out introspective look at Cable's continuity or family tree of doom but so far anyone who isn't already a fan of Cable will probably be growing bored.

Will this title simply deal with Cable on the run from Bishop with his nameless baby for a year or more before the X-Office feels like diving in and finally revealing that this is a re-born Jean Grey who will restore all mutants powers in late 2009 or what?

Again, it's all perfectly well done, but so far it's pretty damn paint by numbers.

[HOOKS]

Alex Ross' UNCANNY X-MEN #500 cover:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/500/X-Men500Painting.jpg

[Andres Pacheco]

Now that's a 500 cover.

[markgrayson]

That is awesome

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Alex Ross' UNCANNY X-MEN #500 cover:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/500/X-Men500Painting.jpg

:rock:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Ooooo,purdy.

So who's missing from the cover in terms of major X-Men?

[HOOKS]

It's pretty much every X-Man up until 1992, with Bishop as the most recent member.

[Andres Pacheco]

It's pretty much every X-Man up until 1992, with Bishop as the most recent member.
Plus Emma.

[artimoff]

Alex Ross' UNCANNY X-MEN #500 cover:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/uncannyxmen/500/X-Men500Painting.jpg

You can tell who his favorites are, look at the 5 in front.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Maggott and Marrow fans (All 3 of you) weep for Alex Ross finds them unworthy of inclusion.

Seriously, i'll go to my grave saying the new X-recruits of the late 90's were some of the worst new members of a team since the mid 90's Teen Titans losers.

[Andres Pacheco]

Maggott and Marrow fans (All 3 of you) weep for Alex Ross finds them unworthy of inclusion.

Seriously, i'll go to my grave saying the new X-recruits of the late 90's were some of the worst new members of a team since the mid 90's Teen Titans losers.

I liked Cecilia Reyes. :(

[Vonn Hennigar]

I liked Cecilia Reyes. :(

I got her confused with that black chick who used to live in Westchester and was a supporting X-character for a while before disappearing forever.

What was her name again?:mad:

[artimoff]

Maggott and Marrow fans (All 3 of you) weep for Alex Ross finds them unworthy of inclusion.

Seriously, i'll go to my grave saying the new X-recruits of the late 90's were some of the worst new members of a team since the mid 90's Teen Titans losers.

Bishop & Gambit sucked, too.

Prety much anyone after the English Psylocke sucked.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Bishop & Gambit sucked, too.

Prety much anyone after the English Psylocke sucked.

Bishop and Gambit did not suck. :no:

They were created to be KEWL in that pre-Image way to be certain but they're still here 15+ years and counting now so they did something right.

Take off the nostalgia blinders and they're both vastly superior to say Longshot.

[Andres Pacheco]

I got her confused with that black chick who used to live in Westchester and was a supporting X-character for a while before disappearing forever.

What was her name again?:mad:

LOL Stevie Hunter.

[Vonn Hennigar]

LOL Stevie Hunter.

Huzzuh!!!

Off to Wikipedia i go to see whatever happened to her. Last i remember her clearly anyway was way the hell back in 1991 when the Shadow King in Colossus's body was trying to kill her and Chucky X.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I got her confused with that black chick who used to live in Westchester and was a supporting X-character for a while before disappearing forever.

What was her name again?:mad:

Stevie Hunter. :nerd:

[HomerGator]

Huzzuh!!!

Off to Wikipedia i go to see whatever happened to her. Last i remember her clearly anyway was way the hell back in 1991 when the Shadow King in Colossus's body was trying to kill her and Chucky X.

I have no idea what happened to her. I just remember she was Kitty Pryde's dance instructor (wha?) and she had a bum knee that she had blown out at one point.

That issue of Uncanny with a Shadow King possessed Colossus trying to kill her and Xavier was AWESOME.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I have no idea what happened to her. I just remember she was Kitty Pryde's dance instructor (wha?) and she had a bum knee that she had blown out at one point.

That issue of Uncanny with a Shadow King possessed Colossus trying to kill her and Xavier was AWESOME.

Yup and the ending where Prof.X has to wipe Piotr's mind clean to rid him of the Shadow King was brilliant. At that point he'd been living his dream life as a painter free of his old memorys since he went through the Siege Perilous.

[HOOKS]

...Jean Grey's on there twice.

[Vonn Hennigar]

...Jean Grey's on there twice.

Nah, it's Madelyn Pryor playing dress-up for Scott's birthday.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Ooooo,purdy.

So who's missing from the cover in terms of major X-Men?

Most of the big guns are on there. Maybe Cannonball, Chamber, and Cable?

[Matt O.]

So is Messiah Complex worth the read? Was the feel of X-Factor that Peter David so very well set up intact in the crossover issues?

[Marcdachamp]

So is Messiah Complex worth the read? Was the feel of X-Factor that Peter David so very well set up intact in the crossover issues?

I really enjoyed it. The art's all over the place, but it's still all quality.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

So is Messiah Complex worth the read? Was the feel of X-Factor that Peter David so very well set up intact in the crossover issues?

It's not worth the hunt for it. There's zero character development and even very simple questions are never answered. If it drops in your lap, fine. It's very nicely drawn and well written zero character development and unanswered questions so you should enjoy it.

[HomerGator]

Yup and the ending where Prof.X has to wipe Piotr's mind clean to rid him of the Shadow King was brilliant. At that point he'd been living his dream life as a painter free of his old memorys since he went through the Siege Perilous.

Yeah, that was badass.

I never cared for the whole Siege Perilous thing, but you have to admit it certainly led to some interesting stories.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wolverine # 64

Hot shit on a stick!

This issue was fucking great!!! It's not Shakespeare, it really is just Wolverine hunting down Mystique but man he's doing it in style! Mystique posing as a US Senator in Iraq hiding behind American Military Lines...

No problem for Logan, just blow yourself up and let the soldiers drag your burnt husk into the morgue where you proceed to bust out of your bodybag and hunt her down from within. The flashbacks don't do much for me overall and i'm not sure they even jive continuity wise. I know Logan and Mystique go back a ways but all the way to the 20's? It's been a while since i read that superb Sabretooth mini-series from the early 90's but i seem to remember them delving into their past there as well.

Either way this has been a fun action arc and at only 4 issues won't overstay it's welcome either. I just pray Mystique escapes somehow because she's much too strong of a character to kill off.

8/10

Oh and for those old school New Mutants fans i'd suggest picking up the last couple issues of NOVA if you've been hankering to see an ol "Self-Friend" back in action. ;)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Oh and for those old school New Mutants fans i'd suggest picking up the last couple issues of NOVA if you've been hankering to see an ol "Self-Friend" back in action. ;)

:eek:

[Vonn Hennigar]

:eek:

That's right folks , BOOM BOOM is back :rock:

In all seriousness, he's been back for a while now. But he's been off in Limbo (Uh the non-Illyana version).

[HomerGator]

I second your recommendation for Nova. It's awesome! Also, it looks like selffriend will be in Annihilation: Conquest #6.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Hello?

Anyways anyone besides me read the X-Books this week?

I still need to read the X-Men : Divided We Stand Book One uh one-shot but for now...

Wolverine Origins # 24

I'm one of the seeming few who actually is a fan of Daniel Way, so this arc has been a lot of fun for me, sure it's just Wolverine vs Deadpool for 4 issues so far but it's still been entertaining. A lot of credit for that has to go to Steve Dillon but i'm getting a kick out of Way's dialogue for Deadpool. This issue sees more of the same but now Deadpool has Logan chained and has set a torture trap for him where he'll basically drown Logan in a pool for years! End of the issue see's Daken reveal himself as Deadpool's client and he want's to get even with his dear ol dad Logan. It's not Claremont/Miller but i'm enjoying it.

7/10

X-Factor # 30

I've always had a soft spot for Arcade, so i'm enjoying this fine even though it's a bit of a filler arc. I thought the Purifier who hired Arcade being the goof who mistakenly let Rictor infiltrate his group in Messiah Complex was a nice touch. The art is all over the place on this book but it does the job well enough...well except for Monet who's caucasion all of a sudden here :? Like i said it's fine but nothing earth shattering. Bring on Longshot and Darwin!

6/10

[Foggy's Pal]

Yeah, I'm reading X-books. Loving them too. Except Young X- gonna give it one more shot. More later......

[MabusRex]

I feel quite torn with the Anole story in DIVIDED WE STAND. On the one hand, Skottie knocked it out of the park with the art and story. On the other hand, it was heartbreaking seeing Vic with post-traumatic stress disorder. I'm not sure I like that angle added to the character.

Oh, and the Nezhno story kicked ass! Hope to see more from him in the future somewhere.

[HomerGator]

I got the Divided We Stand one-shot, but I didn't have enough to get X-Factor. Next week...

I really liked Divided We Stand. Sam's segment was great, Nezhno's was great, Anole's was great, Nightcrawler's was great, etc.

Also, I got a chance to read next week's Uncanny X-Men and X-Force.

Regarding X-Force: HOLY SHIT!

[Fake Pat]

Old Man Logan cannot get here soon enough.

http://i.newsarama.com/nycomiccon2008/Marvel/images/joe/WOLV066010s_col.jpg

WANT. NOW.

[Foggy's Pal]

I got the Divided We Stand one-shot, but I didn't have enough to get X-Factor. Next week...

I really liked Divided We Stand. Sam's segment was great, Nezhno's was great, Anole's was great, Nightcrawler's was great, etc.

Also, I got a chance to read next week's Uncanny X-Men and X-Force.

Regarding X-Force: HOLY SHIT!

Same here, X-Force was fantastic.

[Foggy's Pal]

OK, following Messiah Complex how would you rate the books so far?
For me:

X-Factor has picked right up with its brilliant Soap Opera. I love the baby issue, should be fun when they get Layla back. Great drama so far.

Uncanny X- I don't really like Scott, but even his story has worked so far. Love the venture into Russia. Great characterization here.

X-Men Legacy- this has been surprisingly good. I can't wait to see the ending of the last issue come to fruition. I also think the use of the historical X moments has really worked so far. I also feel teased, can't wait for the return of Magneto.

X-Force- Hated the premise of the X-Men being straight up killers, but I've softened on this as the issues have gone on. They have been brilliant. I love the conflicts: Wolverine and Scott, Wolverine and X-23, and Warpath questioning the blood lust of X-23 I have read #3 and it continues its brilliance.

Young X-Men- boring beginning. Nothing of interest for me in this issue. I'm gonig to give it one more issue because I like Blindfold and hope Ink will become interesting. Please stop saying "Cuzin".

Those are the ones I read. I like the fractured nature of the xmen right now. The books, on the whole, are doing a great job following an outstanding event.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I dunno. I was relieved they were out fo X-Factor when I got to the shop Thursday. I like PAD's writing more than I do the characters and plot. Yet to sample X-Force but thought Young X-Men was Guggenheim's usual level of above average (and Eli Stone makes me water up so he gets bonus points). Anything with Wolverine in a solo lead spot? Tried that, don't like it but I love Uncanny and Emma is one of my favorite X-Men ever. I like how her powers have grown in increments the longer she's had to use them nonstop on this team. I can even stomach Cyclops because he's paired with the bitch. And Legacy? I don't know if I can even finish this arc. Not my favorite X-Character written by my least favorite X-Writer. Wasn't getting Just X-Men pre-Maguffin Complex so I don't see myself getting the retooled version now.

[The Roman]

X-Force - Seriously, the suprise hit of Messiah Complex. This series surprise me with how good it is.

X-Factor - I've been enjoying it since #1, why stop now?

Uncanny X-Men - MC was just what this book needed, it was getting so stale.

X-Men: Legacy - I really like this one, it an interesting look at Magneto/Prof X and their place in MU now.

Young X-Men - The fact that this book replaced New X-Men makes cry a little on the insde. Not horrible, just entirely MEH. Forgettable.

Wolverine - Riding a serious wave right now, enjoying it.

[HomerGator]

Same here, X-Force was fantastic.

How crazy was that last two pages?

[HomerGator]

I dunno. I was relieved they were out fo X-Factor when I got to the shop Thursday. I like PAD's writing more than I do the characters and plot. Yet to sample X-Force but thought Young X-Men was Guggenheim's usual level of above average (and Eli Stone makes me water up so he gets bonus points). Anything with Wolverine in a solo lead spot? Tried that, don't like it but I love Uncanny and Emma is one of my favorite X-Men ever. I like how her powers have grown in increments the longer she's had to use them nonstop on this team. I can even stomach Cyclops because he's paired with the bitch. And Legacy? I don't know if I can even finish this arc. Not my favorite X-Character written by my least favorite X-Writer. Wasn't getting Just X-Men pre-Maguffin Complex so I don't see myself getting the retooled version now.

....but...I don't....wha?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

That's why they make different flavors of ice cream. To me Carey is like a half gallon of peanut butter ice cream with marshmallow swirls. And broccoli.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I don't know, Mike Carey seems to be the first writer not named Chris Claremont who doesn't seem ashamed to be writing the X-Men since Grant Morrison left.

He uses continuity a lot which is something i've missed in the x-books since hell the Lobdell/Nicieza era.

[Fake Pat]

I don't know, Mike Carey seems to be the first writer not named Chris Claremont who doesn't seem ashamed to be writing the X-Men since Grant Morrison left.

He uses continuity a lot which is something i've missed in the x-books since hell the Lobdell/Nicieza era.

Yup. He did a great job making a lot of 90's stuff actually pretty cool.

Yost and Kyle are doing the same on X-Force right now too.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Hey, if you like Carey that's cool. I just can't seem to bring myself to keep buying any title he writes. I dropped Ultimate F4 after I forgot to finish reading an issue.

[Clintro]

So I have been out of the X-men loop for some time but I like what I have read of the solicits for Uncanny X-men 500. Is the Messiah Complex HC worth the buy to catch me up to speed or is it skipable?

[Vonn Hennigar]

I know i'm late to the party here but christ on a crutch was X-Force # 3 awesome or what?

This is THE x-book to be reading right now in my opinion.

10/10

[Clintro]

Messiah Complex? Yay or Nay? :-)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Totally skippable. I've started calling it Maguffin Complex. You'll get as much from the Wikipedia listings.

[Clintro]

Totally skippable. I've started calling it Maguffin Complex. You'll get as much from the Wikipedia listings.

Cool I'll save myself the 40 bucks then.

[HomerGator]

Messiah Complex? Yay or Nay? :-)

I actually really liked it. There were some cool action scenes, some nice drama, and an assload of crazy badass villains.

The art's a bit inconsistent, but it's all good.

[HomerGator]

I know i'm late to the party here but christ on a crutch was X-Force # 3 awesome or what?

This is THE x-book to be reading right now in my opinion.

10/10

Yeah, it's pretty awesomesauce. That last two-page splash was one of the biggest "Oh, shit!" moments I've seen in quite a while.

[Clintro]

I actually really liked it. There were some cool action scenes, some nice drama, and an assload of crazy badass villains.

The art's a bit inconsistent, but it's all good.

So I should give it a second look? Will it help me somewhat up to date for Uncanny X-men 500?

[HomerGator]

So I should give it a second look? Will it help me somewhat up to date for Uncanny X-men 500?

Well, it depends on whether or not you feel like dropping the money for the trade. If you've got the money, and don't mind spending it, I'd recommend it.

I'm not sure if you need to read it for Uncanny X-Men 500, though. I'd imagine 500 would be a jumping-on point.

[The Roman]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/870/870865p1.html

Captain Britain & MI: 13 #1 Preview if it hasn't already been posted.

[Nick Spencer]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/870/870865p1.html

Captain Britain & MI: 13 #1 Preview if it hasn't already been posted.

I was pretty intrigued by the preview, if only because I'm a HUUUUUGE Black Knight fan.

Can't say I'm digging his new look at all, though.

[Omega Flight]

I was pretty intrigued by the preview, if only because I'm a HUUUUUGE Black Knight fan.

Can't say I'm digging his new look at all, though.

I for say I am digging the new look. He's also badass stabbing a Skrull through and he has a motercycle :D

Also why the hell is Captain Britain being posted here? He's not a spinoff/bitch of the X-men books anymore.

[The Roman]

I was pretty intrigued by the preview, if only because I'm a HUUUUUGE Black Knight fan.

Can't say I'm digging his new look at all, though.

I actually love the new look. :D


And always good to find other Black Knight fans.

Can't wait for this book.

[The Roman]

I for say I am digging the new look. He's also badass stabbing a Skrull through and he has a motercycle :D

Also why the hell is Captain Britain being posted here? He's not a spinoff/bitch of the X-men books anymore.

Because he may or may not be a mutant and also because Pete Wisdom is in this book and therefore makes it X-tastic.

[Omega Flight]

Because he may or may not be a mutant and also because Pete Wisdom is in this book and therefore makes it X-tastic.

Pete Wisdom may be a mutant but that doesn't mean he's an X-Man. If every mutant had to be under the X-Men banner wouldn't Avengers: The Initiative be an X-Men book? The same goes for Molly from Runaways.

Not every mutant is an X-Man you know

[The Roman]

Pete Wisdom may be a mutant but that doesn't mean he's an X-Man. If every mutant had to be under the X-Men banner wouldn't Avengers: The Initiative be an X-Men book? The same goes for Molly from Runaways.

Not every mutant is an X-Man you know

Pete Wisdom was both an important Excalibur member (a team that was the REPLACEMENT X-Men if you recall) and was the leader of X-Force for awhile.

That makes him an X-Man in my book.

And Captain Britain remains an important part of X-Culture if only because of his DIRECT relation to one of the most popular of the X-Men, Psylocke.

I don't know if you've read the title of this thread but it's "X-Men & Friends"

[Omega Flight]

Pete Wisdom was both an important Excalibur member (a team that was the REPLACEMENT X-Men if you recall) and was the leader of X-Force for awhile.

That makes him an X-Man in my book.

And Captain Britain remains an important part of X-Culture if only because of his DIRECT relation to one of the most popular of the X-Men, Psylocke.

I don't know if you've read the title of this thread but it's "X-Men & Friends"

I don't think the X-Men necessarily outsource to England anymore. They're part of MI-13 and Paul Cornell isn't using this book to play up the fact that Cap had a sister with slutty fashion sense or that Pete Wisdom used to be a outsourced X-Man.

[artimoff]

I hope the M13 book doesn't come out in PHC, I really want the trade asap.

[The Roman]

I don't think the X-Men necessarily outsource to England anymore. They're part of MI-13 and Paul Cornell isn't using this book to play up the fact that Cap had a sister with slutty fashion sense or that Pete Wisdom used to be a outsourced X-Man.

:frustrat:


What part of "X-Men and Friends" did you not catch?

And there's a book called New Excalibur that would argue with you (even if it does suck)

But whatever, I'm not gonna sit here and argue semantics over this, I was merely posting a very interesting preview for a character with strong X-Ties, in the X-Men & Friends thread where there are undoubtedly fans of the old Excalibur series hanging around who would be interested in seeing it.

[Fake Pat]

:frustrat:


No kidding.

[Omega Flight]

:frustrat:


What part of "X-Men and Friends" did you not catch?

And there's a book called New Excalibur that would argue with you (even if it does suck)

But whatever, I'm not gonna sit here and argue semantics over this, I was merely posting a very interesting preview for a character with strong X-Ties, in the X-Men & Friends thread where there are undoubtedly fans of the old Excalibur series hanging around who would be interested in seeing it.

New Excalibur got canceled recently didn't it? Sorry if I caused you any distress HBjr. Don't get me wrong I think you're a kickass guy so I guess it's better to drop it.

It's just that I believe Cap is too good a character to be relegated to X-Men spinoff status.

[The Roman]

New Excalibur got canceled recently didn't it? Sorry if I caused you any distress HBjr. Don't get me wrong I think you're a kickass guy so I guess it's better to drop it.

It's just that I believe Cap is too good a character to be relegated to X-Men spinoff status.

:miffed: Flattery will get you everywhere. :D


On a an official note, I think I'm one of the few people who would actually like to see Kid Omega get "resurrected."

But I only want to see this if done in the right hands. It would actually be perfect for the current X-Men: Legacy storyline.

[GrandMaster Funk]

I don't think the X-Men necessarily outsource to England anymore. They're part of MI-13 and Paul Cornell isn't using this book to play up the fact that Cap had a sister with slutty fashion sense or that Pete Wisdom used to be a outsourced X-Man.

Captain Britian's been a big supporting character of the X-universe for a long time. Even if the new book has nothing to do with the X-Men, it's still X-releated.

[Omega Flight]

:miffed: Flattery will get you everywhere. :D


On a an official note, I think I'm one of the few people who would actually like to see Kid Omega get "resurrected."

But I only want to see this if done in the right hands. It would actually be perfect for the current X-Men: Legacy storyline.

Well considering how weak Havok and the Starjammers are in relation to Vulcan, probably the only way they could get out of there without a deus ex machina or the X-Men coming and busting the party, would be if Kid Omega came and kicked Vulcan's ass.

[The Roman]

Oh by the way, I might be crazy. But (depending on the artist) Kid Omega (pre-pink hair mohawk) reminds me alot of a blond Todd. :lol:

[The Roman]

Well considering how weak Havok and the Starjammers are in relation to Vulcan, probably the only way they could get out of there without a deus ex machina or the X-Men coming and busting the party, would be if Kid Omega came and kicked Vulcan's ass.

I sense a story. :ecstatic:


http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/41000/40583/94121-kid-omega_400.jpg

[Omega Flight]

I sense a story. :ecstatic:


http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/41000/40583/94121-kid-omega_400.jpg

That and people who've manipulated the Phoenix Force generally have a good track record of coming back to life.

[The Roman]

That and people who've manipulated the Phoenix Force generally have a good track record of coming back to life.

A sometimes nasty habit of doing so. :lol:


You heard it here first, Madeyln Pryor is due for a resurrection. :p

[Omega Flight]

A sometimes nasty habit of doing so. :lol:


You heard it here first, Madeyln Pryor is due for a resurrection. :p

With her history and costumes I doubt it. But who knows the X-Crew has managed to make the Shi'Ar and some of the lamer concepts like Bastion and Mr Sinister work out maybe they can do something with this. I'd like to see how they would deal with stuff like the High Evolutionary or the Mojoverse.

[The Roman]

With her history and costumes I doubt it. But who knows the X-Crew has managed to make the Shi'Ar and some of the lamer concepts like Bastion and Mr Sinister work out maybe they can do something with this. I'd like to see how they would deal with stuff like the High Evolutionary or the Mojoverse.

Thanks to M-Day and Messiah Complex you can definitely expect to see alot of often forgotten aspects of the X-Men resurface. I really feel like their just gonna do anything and everything now, since they don't have alot of backups to fall on.

I expect The Brood, Mojoverse, The Externals, Hellfire Club, The X-Terminators, The Mutant Liberation Force, and tons of other old 60's-90's X-stuff to pop up.


Oh, and Amanda Sefton restarting her romance Nightcrawler, along with a reappearance of Azazel. Seriously, anything can happen. I mean Magik is back. So is Belasco. I guess the D'Spayre and the N'garai are next.

[Omega Flight]

Thanks to M-Day and Messiah Complex you can definitely expect to see alot of often forgotten aspects of the X-Men resurface. I really feel like their just gonna do anything and everything now, since they don't have alot of backups to fall on.

I expect The Brood, Mojoverse, The Externals, Hellfire Club, The X-Terminators, The Mutant Liberation Force, and tons of other old 60's-90's X-stuff to pop up.


Oh, and Amanda Sefton restarting her romance Nightcrawler, along with a reappearance of Azazel. Seriously, anything can happen. I mean Magik is back. So is Belasco. I guess the D'Spayre and the N'garai are next.

Didn't the X-Men pretty much maul what was left of the Brood? There was even a Brood Queen in World War Hulk that said the X-Men destroyed it's homeworld.

And I'm pretty sure Ms Marvel took out any remnants of the Brood too.

[The Roman]

Didn't the X-Men pretty much maul what was left of the Brood? There was even a Brood Queen in World War Hulk that said the X-Men destroyed it's homeworld.

And I'm pretty sure Ms Marvel took out any remnants of the Brood too.

Did not read World War Hulk. And don't read Ms. Marvel.

[Omega Flight]

Did not read World War Hulk. And don't read Ms. Marvel.

Nobody said you have to. What I'm saying is I just don't think it's viable for the Brood to return unless there's a secret hive somewhere.

[The Roman]

Nobody said you have to. What I'm saying is I just don't think it's viable for the Brood to return unless there's a secret hive somewhere.

Nope, I was merely saying I didn't know that. Well, The Brood don't really need to come back anyway.

Now, The N'Garai . . . (I'm going WAY old school)

[Omega Flight]

Nope, I was merely saying I didn't know that. Well, The Brood don't really need to come back anyway.

Now, The N'Garai . . . (I'm going WAY old school)

What about the circus freaks who kicked the X-Men's asses back in the Stan and Jack days?

[The Roman]

What about the circus freaks who kicked the X-Men's asses back in the Stan and Jack days?

I think they became Spidey/FF villains.

If we're talking about the Ringmaster's goons.

[Omega Flight]

I think they became Spidey/FF villains.

If we're talking about the Ringmaster's goons.

Doesn't look like it was them. None of their appearances are X-Men ones.

[GrandMaster Funk]

I know i'm late to the party here but christ on a crutch was X-Force # 3 awesome or what?

This is THE x-book to be reading right now in my opinion.

10/10

Finally read this today, and I'm glad I gave this book a shot. I still don't like the main cast, but the last page, holy shit.

I really hope it stays consistent and the focus remains mostly on the Purifiers.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Sooooooo... Free Comic Day X-Men came out and was super good.

Anyone get it? It has a medium sized reveal of a happening in the line as a whole.

And the villians are someone who's been recently mentioned here in this very thread.

It's real good stuff.

[The Roman]

Sooooooo... Free Comic Day X-Men came out and was super good.

Anyone get it? It has a medium sized reveal of a happening in the line as a whole.

And the villians are someone who's been recently mentioned here in this very thread.

It's real good stuff.

Yeah, I just read it. I'm a freakin' psychic. :lol:

[Fake Pat]

Sooooooo... Free Comic Day X-Men came out and was super good.

Anyone get it? It has a medium sized reveal of a happening in the line as a whole.

And the villians are someone who's been recently mentioned here in this very thread.

It's real good stuff.

How bad was the art?

[Omega Flight]

How bad was the art?

According to some people not that bad. But apparently Land did a number on Pixie.

[iGotKittyPryde]

How bad was the art?

I kinda liked it...

:surrend:

[Fake Pat]

I kinda liked it...

:surrend:

Hey, that's what I wanna hear.

I'm gonna start getting Uncanny when Fraction comes aboard (this FCBD ish is waiting in my file back home), and I just wanna know if I need to really brace myself for the art.

[Omega Flight]

Hey, that's what I wanna hear.

I'm gonna start getting Uncanny when Fraction comes aboard (this FCBD ish is waiting in my file back home), and I just wanna know if I need to really brace myself for the art.

They probably had to have Land tone down the pron since this issue is going to be read by kids and all.

:roll:

[Fake Pat]

They probably had to have Land tone down the pron since this issue is going to be read by kids and all.

:roll:

I've seen some preview art. He didn't tone anything down.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Hey, that's what I wanna hear.

I'm gonna start getting Uncanny when Fraction comes aboard (this FCBD ish is waiting in my file back home), and I just wanna know if I need to really brace myself for the art.

I think he does better with the X-Men than anyone else. I like Endsong (although some of it was a bit much, but for the most part... I really like the first cover, for instance) and last weeks Legacy stuff worked just fine for me too.

I'm hoping and expect that I won't mind (and may in fact enjoy) his art on the upcomming Uncanny run.

[NickT]

I kinda liked it...

:surrend:
When I read Legacy this week, I honestly didn't realise it was Land until a few pages in :)

[iGotKittyPryde]

When I read Legacy this week, I honestly didn't realise it was Land until a few pages in :)

Had I not seen the credits I'd have probably just thought Eaton changed his style a bit for the flashbacks.

I think he's toned the whole thing down a bit and he's a lot better for it. And Pixie actually looked really good (if a bit sexier than normal) and seemed to have a lot of personality on the page.

I understand where people dislike Land and he's had quite a few things that looked a bit static but he's had a lot that I've liked, Endsong especially and his recent stuff, while not knocking me out, is very much acceptable.

[MabusRex]

I just wish Pixie had looked like an actual 15-16 year old and not a 20-something model. WHO PLAYS BASEBALL IN A SWIMSUIT?!?!

[Fake Pat]

I just wish Pixie had looked like an actual 15-16 year old and not a 20-something model. WHO PLAYS BASEBALL IN A SWIMSUIT?!?!

In the mind of Greg Land?

Probably 99% of the world's population.

[Kefky]

When I read Legacy this week, I honestly didn't realise it was Land until a few pages in :)

I'm sorry, but his art in that was AWFUL.

Particularly the splash page with the sentinels destroying genosha. There's a guy in there with the typical Land "gaping maw" that looks like he's taking it in the ass, and enjoying it immensely. :no:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I think I just figured out why I like Land's art so much...

:heybaby:

[Kefky]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/Kefky/X-Men210Zone-Meganpg08.jpg

Look at that! How can marvel allow something like this to be published?!? It's indecent!!! :no:

[Fake Pat]

Yuck.

I really don't know how long I'm gonna be able to stick with Uncanny.

[lonesomefool]

Finally got around to reading Young X-Men and Cable #1 and 2 this weekend.

Cable is really, really, really average. There just isnt much "meat" there. The art is decent, Olvietti is always gonna have a tough time with action scenes IMO because his art style is kinda "stiff". The biggest problem is that Cable is a really hard character to make interesting to me, same goes for Bishop, now toss those two together and unless your an A-List writer that I trust, like Bru, Bendis, Fraction, etc. I have a hard time caring. It's decent enough to continue buying, but I'm trying to cut back on comics and entertainment as a whole with the worsening economy, so this title is gonna get cut.

Young X-Men is another average issue. Once again, I have a hard time caring for any of these characters. Guggenheim is a writer I tend to like, but here he seems to be having a tough time really trying to make these characters seem interesting. Combine that with Yanick Paquette's totally generic, average artwork and this book is pretty forgettable. Probably another title that will be a victim of the economy.

BTW, Logan by BKV and Risso has been really entertaining. Between this and Jason Aaron and Ron Garney's Wolverine arc, it's actually been a good month for Wolverine. So long as you forget about Daniel Way and Wolverine: Origins.

[Fake Pat]

BTW, Logan by BKV and Risso has been really entertaining. Between this and Jason Aaron and Ron Garney's Wolverine arc, it's actually been a good month for Wolverine. So long as you forget about Daniel Way and Wolverine: Origins.

It's only getting better too.

Old Man Logan=droooooool. (in a good way)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/Kefky/X-Men210Zone-Meganpg08.jpg

Look at that! How can marvel allow something like this to be published?!? It's indecent!!! :no:

No sarcasm intended but what's wrong with that picture? That's clearly pain and terror face.

[HomerGator]

I really don't get the Greg Land hate. I've been a big fan of his ever since Sojourn.

[lonesomefool]

I really don't get the Greg Land hate. I've been a big fan of his ever since Sojourn.

I like his work as well, but I can see why he gets so much hate, his artwork tends to be quite "static" and stiff and of course, we have all seen the way he copies poses and characters from other media and Hollywood.

[Gecko]

I just picked up the recent issues of Ultimate X-Men. I certainly hope Marvel has put it out of it's misery. That book is absolute crap.

[lonesomefool]

I just picked up the recent issues of Ultimate X-Men. I certainly hope Marvel has put it out of it's misery. That book is absolute crap.

The entire line is sinking fast. Ultimate Spider-Man is the only really good book in the entire line, but every title is bleeding readers fast.

If the Jeph Loeb/David Finch event doesnt revive the line, Marvel needs to be concerned.

Though, really, I dont think it should surprise anyone that Robert Kirkman bombed on a Marvel title, if it isnt a "oddball" title, like Ant-Man or Marvel Zombies, he hasnt shown a real ability to write a mainstream Marvel title well.

[Kefky]

I don't think Kirkman's run was awful but it really was underwhelming and frustrating. There were some glimmers of brilliance here and there, like the long-term plotting that he does in Invincible so well, but in the end, it never amounted to shit and went out with a whimper. Really sad.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I like his work as well, but I can see why he gets so much hate, his artwork tends to be quite "static" and stiff and of course, we have all seen the way he copies poses and characters from other media and Hollywood.


Except for the copying part, that describes the Dodsons for me too. My only exposure to them has been Wonder Woman and covers but it all looks like posed (without copying) cheesecake and lifeless and sterile. Land's work to me at least feels like it has energy and life despite his sources.

[HomerGator]

Except for the copying part, that describes the Dodsons for me too. My only exposure to them has been Wonder Woman and covers but it all looks like posed (without copying) cheesecake and lifeless and sterile. Land's work to me at least feels like it has energy and life despite his sources.

Did you ever read the Dodson's work on Marvel Knights Spider-Man with Mark Millar?

[The Roman]

I loved Greg Land's art in Phoenix: Endsong, but I feel they put him on the wrong books. Land's art isn't right for THESE X-Men.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Did you ever read the Dodson's work on Marvel Knights Spider-Man with Mark Millar?

My main exposure to the Dodsons was Wonder Woman and while pretty, they aren't compelling enough for me to follow anywhere/ I'd have to like the writer or character to pick up future work of theirs. Brubaker, Fraction, and X-Men makes the cut. Spider-Man hasn't for years and I only like about one in five Millar projects I've sampled.

[Ben]

Nobody said you have to. What I'm saying is I just don't think it's viable for the Brood to return unless there's a secret hive somewhere.The Brood homeworld was destroyed in their first appearance (the same story where Carol Danvers got her Binary powers). They've appeared several times since then. They spread around the galaxy, so it would not be difficult to have the Brood appear again (just as they did in the recent Ms. Marvel series).

[Ben]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/Kefky/X-Men210Zone-Meganpg08.jpg

Look at that! How can marvel allow something like this to be published?!? It's indecent!!! :no:It doesn't look like he's enjoying anything.

[Fake Pat]

It doesn't look like he's enjoying anything.

I'm still kinda curious as to why the Sentinel has a human hand in a glove glued to it's side.

[Ben]

I'm still kinda curious as to why the Sentinel has a human hand in a glove glued to it's side.
Sentinels don't have hands?

[Fake Pat]

Sentinels don't have hands?

Not ones that are clearly traced images of a regular hand in a glove that's awkwardly slapped onto their sides.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Not ones that are clearly traced images of a regular hand in a glove that's awkwardly slapped onto their sides.

Still don't see it but taste in art and art opinion in general is so subjective I don't tell anyone what to like or dislike. Personally, I'm less fond of the art other places in the X-Ghetto. Bachalo and whatever the guy's name who does Astonishing comes to mind...

[HomerGator]

Still don't see it but taste in art and art opinion in general is so subjective I don't tell anyone what to like or dislike. Personally, I'm less fond of the art other places in the X-Ghetto. Bachalo and whatever the guy's name who does Astonishing comes to mind...

You don't like John Cassaday?!?

I think it's important for me to remember, for future reference, that you and I will disagree on EVERYTHING.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I really don't see much to like about Cassaday. The characters look pretty much the same and stiff, there's very little feel of action, and the backgrounds underwhelm me. And anyone who can draw Emma in that costume and make her unattractive just doesn't right.

[artimoff]

I really don't see much to like about Cassaday. The characters look pretty much the same and stiff, there's very little feel of action, and the backgrounds underwhelm me. And anyone who can draw Emma in that costume and make her unattractive just doesn't right.


I agree that Cassaday isn't as great as other's think.

[Arion]

You don't like John Cassaday?!?

I think it's important for me to remember, for future reference, that you and I will disagree on EVERYTHING.

I love Cassaday.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Which is why Cassaday and Land both find work and success. It's not as if Cassaday scares me away from a book featuring characters I love or a writer I like. I just wouldn't buy a Chuck Austen or Geoff Johns book he's drawing. If Land were the artist I would.

[Arion]

I am a fan of Cassaday way before Astonishing X-Men. To me, it doesn't matter if he is popular or not.

[Rich Lozano]

I just received my shipment from DCBS and the Messiah Complex HC is great! I wish Mike Choi was staying on Uncanny. I love the way he draws these characters. Loving X-Men Legacy.

[Marcdachamp]

I really don't see much to like about Cassaday. The characters look pretty much the same and stiff, there's very little feel of action, and the backgrounds underwhelm me. And anyone who can draw Emma in that costume and make her unattractive just doesn't right.

Couldn't disagree any more.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

At least we're not calling each other idiots for having differing taste in art. I was at a mesage board where I was called a bigot once for suggesting that men have superior upper body strength!

[Andres Pacheco]

CBR has an interview with Carey about the Secret Invasion tie-in and it has awesome Nord art.

Awesome Nord art. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16333)

[The Roman]

Say there's new X-Book with a new team, if you had to pick a team using ANY of the remaining mutants, who'd be on your team?

Me?


Havok - Leader
Sunspot
Magma
Surge
Anole
Marvel Girl
Rogue
Nightcrawler
Iceman
Husk
w/The Cuckoos as team liaison.

[Omega Flight]

CBR has an interview with Carey about the Secret Invasion tie-in and it has awesome Nord art.

Awesome Nord art. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16333)

Nice but I thought the Skrulls weren't going to be doing that ray gun, little green men bullshit anymore. Besides you'd think that if you're dealing with the X-Men who have the largest membership of superhumans, you'd rather go for soldiers with powers that can work against them rather then ray guns and other toys. And it's been shown the Super Skrulls are pretty much the army now no more ray guns.

I can understand X-Factor and the Starjammers not being there due to them already being involved in a SI crossover and the Starjammers being pre-occupied with Vulcan.

But c'mon it'd be badass to see the X-Men use hit and run tactics against the new Super-Skrulls.

[The Roman]

When are the Starjammers gonna get an Ongoing?

[Omega Flight]

When are the Starjammers gonna get an Ongoing?

Never?

[The Roman]

Never?

DIE!!!! :mad:


Come on, they have Havok, Marvel Girl and Polaris now. They can at least try. :(

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

When are the Starjammers gonna get an Ongoing?

When they become interesting?

[HomerGator]

Nice but I thought the Skrulls weren't going to be doing that ray gun, little green men bullshit anymore. Besides you'd think that if you're dealing with the X-Men who have the largest membership of superhumans, you'd rather go for soldiers with powers that can work against them rather then ray guns and other toys. And it's been shown the Super Skrulls are pretty much the army now no more ray guns.

I can understand X-Factor and the Starjammers not being there due to them already being involved in a SI crossover and the Starjammers being pre-occupied with Vulcan.

But c'mon it'd be badass to see the X-Men use hit and run tactics against the new Super-Skrulls.

I think we'll probably see some of that. I wouldn't be suprised if they run into at least one group of Super Skrulls. It's not like EVERY Skrull sent to Earth is going to be a Super.... is it?

[GrandMaster Funk]

When are the Starjammers gonna get an Ongoing?

Maybe after the next Annihilation.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I just read X-Force #3. Hot damn, every issue so far has had a fantastic ending, and this is no exception. Some really cool stuff should be coming in the next few issues.

I just wish I liked the art.

[Fake Pat]

I just read X-Force #3. Hot damn, every issue so far has had a fantastic ending, and this is no exception. Some really cool stuff should be coming in the next few issues.

I just wish I liked the art.

Choi will be rotating in soon, so you've got that to look forward to.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Choi will be rotating in soon, so you've got that to look forward to.

Yeah, I know. I'd been considering ditching the book before that announcement. His arrival can not come soon enough. :lol:

[Fake Pat]

Yeah, I know. I'd been considering ditching the book before that announcement. His arrival can not come soon enough. :lol:

I couldn't disagree more. :)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I couldn't disagree more. :)

You prefer the current art style to Choi's?

[Fake Pat]

You prefer the current art style to Choi's?

Absolutely. Especially for this book.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Absolutely. Especially for this book.

Every time I think that we couldn't disagree more on things, you prove me wrong. ;)

[Fake Pat]

Every time I think that we couldn't disagree more on things, you prove me wrong. ;)

I just think Choi's art is way too "pretty" for this book.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I just think Choi's art is way too "pretty" for this book.

I haven't seen any preview pages or anything for his upcoming issues, but I think he can pull it off very well for this book.
I just find Crain's stuff to be far too stagnant and his proportions can be way off some times, imo. And the coloring is too dark and "muddy" at times.

[Santana]

I couldn't disagree more.:)


:wink: I just think Choi's art is way too "pretty" for this book.


Goddammit!

not only are you being pleasant when you disagree, but I find I am agreeing with you............................................... ..............

:D

[Santana]

I haven't seen any preview pages or anything for his upcoming issues, but I think he can pull it off very well for this book.
I just find Crain's stuff to be far too stagnant and his proportions can be way off some times, imo. And the coloring is too dark and "muddy" at times.


One thing I learned about comic art from reading Bart Sears articles in Wizard many moons ago is the proportions can be off and you can even add hundreds of extra muscles as long as you are consistent with it. Crane covers that.

[Fake Pat]

Goddammit!

not only are you being pleasant when you disagree, but I find I am agreeing with you............................................... ..............

:D

Now you get it.

I'm not a total prick, just a major one. :)

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

One thing I learned about comic art from reading Bart Sears articles in Wizard many moons ago is the proportions can be off and you can even add hundreds of extra muscles as long as you are consistent with it. Crane covers that.

I suppose. I'm just not a fan. ;)

[Vonn Hennigar]

Cable # 3

:sleepy:

To be fair it's all perfectly adequate but this is starting to have the stench of a good initial idea from a new to comics writer that sounds GREAT in the pitch stage but when translated to a monthly 22 page comic will take a good 20 issues/2 years to come through.

Wonder why more and more people are making the switch to trade waiting? It's because of comics like this. The last page reveal was nice though so maybe there's hope in the short term.

6/10

Haven't read Young X-Men # 2,Logan # 3 or the X-Factor : The Quick And The Dead One-Shot yet.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I just read X-Force #3. Hot damn, every issue so far has had a fantastic ending, and this is no exception. Some really cool stuff should be coming in the next few issues.

I just wish I liked the art.


The book doesn't have enough characters I like and I dislike the set up so it would have had to be written by PAD to get me to buy it. I like K&Y well enough but it would have taken a better artist to get me on board. Choi kust might be that artist, especially after that 60's rendition of Warren Worthington he did.

Haven't read Young X-Men # 2,Logan # 3 or the X-Factor : The Quick And The Dead One-Shot yet.

Start with the Quicksilver story. It's one of the best mainstream comic stories the man has done in years.

[Foggy's Pal]

Cable # 3

:sleepy:

To be fair it's all perfectly adequate but this is starting to have the stench of a good initial idea from a new to comics writer that sounds GREAT in the pitch stage but when translated to a monthly 22 page comic will take a good 20 issues/2 years to come through.

Wonder why more and more people are making the switch to trade waiting? It's because of comics like this. The last page reveal was nice though so maybe there's hope in the short term.

6/10

Haven't read Young X-Men # 2,Logan # 3 or the X-Factor : The Quick And The Dead One-Shot yet.

Young X was slightly better, but still sucks. Coloring is awful and the story is boooooooring!

[HomerGator]

X-Factor: Quick and the Dead was AWESOME!!!

[Omega Flight]

X-Factor: Quick and the Dead was AWESOME!!!

You bet your ass it was! PAD knows how to write an awesome Quicksilver.

"I'm not just any freaking mutant! I'm freaking Quicksilver!"

[HomerGator]

I'm just happy that Pietro got his speed back. I'm a little bummed that it looks like he won't be a villain.

[Raphael J]

I'm just happy that Pietro got his speed back. I'm a little bummed that it looks like he won't be a villain.

I don't know about the latter.

After all, they say the best villains are the ones who don't see themselves as villains at all.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I don't know about the latter.

After all, they say the best villains are the ones who don't see themselves as villains at all.

How interesting will it be if everyone still treats him as if her were still a villain? That's something we never got to see the last time they retconned out his heel turn.

[HomerGator]

That would be cool. I've always thought he would make a really great replacement for Magneto, and was hoping that was where they were going with the character in House of M, but Wanda ruined that... and then Pietro went and got all pathetic and depressed and crazy and I started hoping, but now it looks like I will just have to keep hoping.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I am loving X-Men Legacy. 211 was excellent, even the last page (and normally I hate that character).

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I am loving X-Men Legacy. 211 was excellent, even the last page (and normally I hate that character).

I've dropped Legacy but I'm curious. What character are you talking about?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I've dropped Legacy but I'm curious. What character are you talking about?

Gambit shows up on the last page

[HomerGator]

X-Men Legacy is probably my favorite X-book right now.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Gambit shows up on the last page

Way to guarantee I'm not ever tempted to buy another issue.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Way to guarantee I'm not ever tempted to buy another issue.

That's normally my reaction to said character, too.

[HomerGator]

That's normally my reaction to said character, too.

I bet you'd be stoked if it was Douglock :D

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I bet you'd be stoked if it was Douglock :D

Hells yes!

[Marcdachamp]

X-Factor: Quick and the Dead was AWESOME!!!

Meh, I really wasn't feeling it, to be quite honest. Love PAD, love Quicksilver, but this felt weird and kinda preachy. It just wasn't my thing.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I bet you'd be stoked if it was Douglock :D

How could anyone object to Douglok?

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

How could anyone object to Douglok?

:heart:

[Omega Flight]

Meh, I really wasn't feeling it, to be quite honest. Love PAD, love Quicksilver, but this felt weird and kinda preachy. It just wasn't my thing.

Um how'd it feel preachy besides Quicksilver realizing he's not a vessel of God? And of course it's weird he's hallucinating and has had the crap beaten out of him.

Heck he even calls himself Freaking Quicksilver.

[Lanowar]

How could anyone object to Douglok?

I'd buy a title if it had Doughlok, Deathlok, Death's Head & Deadpool as the all D team.

With guest apperance by Dethklok

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'd buy a title if it had Doughlok, Deathlok, Death's Head & Deadpool as the all D team.

With guest apperance by Dethklok

They could be led by D-Man.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wolverine was another good issue and the ending thankfully was just what i was hoping for...

Logan leaves Mystique to die in the dirt but clearly doesn't kill her outright so she's still in the sandbox to be used whenever without resorting to goofy resurrection plots. :thumb:

Of course when she comes back make it a big deal but overall a fun 4 issue arc and next month it's Millar & McNiven with Old Man Logan

X-Men : Legacy meanwhile is stunning me with it's continuity! Shit it has that goof from X-Men # 13 and 14 from when i was in jr high back! Still not sure where this is all headed to be honest but so far so good.

It's a shame that Messiah Complex ended so weakly ( And i don't mean the final issue i really mean the final couple of pages) Charlie X's "death" and more importantly Cyclops BAFFLING decision to disband the X-Men entirely still sticks out a couple of months later and it's continuing to bother me greatly.

Uncanny # 500 can't get here fast enough so we can cement this new status quo in San Francisco and get some new blood back in the books pronto.

I'm looking at YOU Young X-Men with your Hellion,Surge and Mercury free roster!

Oh and please throw in a scene of them securing the old Westchester mansion. I mean they have all that tech underground, throw me a bone and show Val Cooper and ONE keeping watch over it or something.

[joeAR]

Wolverine was another good issue and the ending thankfully was just what i was hoping for...

Logan leaves Mystique to die in the dirt but clearly doesn't kill her outright so she's still in the sandbox to be used whenever without resorting to goofy resurrection plots. :thumb:

Of course when she comes back make it a big deal but overall a fun 4 issue arc and next month it's Millar & McNiven with Old Man Logan

X-Men : Legacy meanwhile is stunning me with it's continuity! Shit it has that goof from X-Men # 13 and 14 from when i was in jr high back! Still not sure where this is all headed to be honest but so far so good.

It's a shame that Messiah Complex ended so weakly ( And i don't mean the final issue i really mean the final couple of pages) Charlie X's "death" and more importantly Cyclops BAFFLING decision to disband the X-Men entirely still sticks out a couple of months later and it's continuing to bother me greatly.

Uncanny # 500 can't get here fast enough so we can cement this new status quo in San Francisco and get some new blood back in the books pronto.

I'm looking at YOU Young X-Men with your Hellion,Surge and Mercury free roster!

Oh and please throw in a scene of them securing the old Westchester mansion. I mean they have all that tech underground, throw me a bone and show Val Cooper and ONE keeping watch over it or something.


Thats were I remember him from! Not too go all geeky on you but it was actually issues 12 and 13

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yep, I still remember that old two-parter with Ryking, too. I think he went by the horrible name of Hazard...

[Matt O.]

I forgot to put Quick and the Dead on my DCBS order, didn't get a copy:cry:

[HomerGator]

Yep, I still remember that old two-parter with Ryking, too. I think he went by the horrible name of Hazard...

You'd be right!

Remember, it was the first issues of X-Men vol 2 that were NOT pencilled by Jim Lee, but rather by Art Thibert. Andy Kubert came in at 14, which, IIRC, was the first part of the X-Cutioner's Song.

Good times.

[Mike_Johnson]

A quick question:
I don't read a whole lot of X-Men and I've been wondering how some of the de-powered mutants are getting their powers back. I know for a fact Iceman was shown at the end of House of M without his powers and now that is obviously not the case.

Any good explanation for this?

[GrandMaster Funk]

A quick question:
I don't read a whole lot of X-Men and I've been wondering how some of the de-powered mutants are getting their powers back. I know for a fact Iceman was shown at the end of House of M without his powers and now that is obviously not the case.

Any good explanation for this?

It was a fake out. I can't recall the specifics, but I think it was something to do with his confidence or something. Xavier got his powers back because of the M'Krann Crystal.

A few got their powers back because of Apocalypse.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

With Iceman, the creators had intended to actually de-power him, but they chickened out at the last moment and gave them back with some piss-poor explanation (imo).

[Mike_Johnson]

With Iceman, the creators had intended to actually de-power him, but they chickened out at the last moment and gave them back with some piss-poor explanation (imo).

That's kinda what I figured.

[joeAR]

That's kinda what I figured.


But he's been used pretty greatly since then by Mike Carrey

[Fake Pat]

I skimmed the preview copy of next week's X-Force at my LCS.

Wow.

[joeAR]

I skimmed the preview copy of next week's X-Force at my LCS.

Wow.


Good stuff coming up? I'm currently loving that book.

[Fake Pat]

Good stuff coming up? I'm currently loving that book.

Yeah, there's at least 2 pretty crazy moments, including the AWESOME last page.

And that's as much as I'll say. :)

[Glixy]

Yeah, there's at least 2 pretty crazy moments, including the AWESOME last page.

And that's as much as I'll say. :)

Seriously? C'mon dude, spoil up!

[Fake Pat]

Seriously? C'mon dude, spoil up!

Nooooope. Sorry.

[Arion]

It was a fake out. I can't recall the specifics, but I think it was something to do with his confidence or something. Xavier got his powers back because of the M'Krann Crystal.

A few got their powers back because of Apocalypse.

And who was involved with Apocalypse?

[joeAR]

Yeah, there's at least 2 pretty crazy moments, including the AWESOME last page.

And that's as much as I'll say. :)


Can't wait to read it.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

This week's X-Factor was great. Arcade is a damn genius

[BAMF]

How weird is it that the running mystery throughout the current arc of Uncanny is the ID of the force behind the illusion, and they end up revealing it in the preview?

Seems Martinique, a.k.a. Mastermind II, a.k.a. daughter of Jason Wyngarde, a.k.a. sister of Lady Mastermind, is the one behind the mass illusion. Apparently, Mike Carey doesn't consider Lady Mastermind dead and said he wouldn't think twice about using her again...I can't wait for a bitch fight between the 2 sisters.

[scouser]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16519
It is strange that they spoiled the goddess's identity in the preview buuut....
There has GOT to be a telepathic bitch fight between Martinique and Regan. Carey wants to use her again, but not in Legacy, so we will have to wait a while. But when she's back its going to be great!

[Vonn Hennigar]

Thanks for the heads up, now i know to avoid the previews.

:thumb:

[juampi]

X-Force #4 preview

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/052208xforceprev.html

Looks like the mistery of who will be Archangel is over...

[Omega Flight]

And who was involved with Apocalypse?

Polaris, Sunfire, and Gambit. Although Gambit I believe didn't lose his powers in the first place.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Quick question time...

Whatever happened to Matsuo Tsurabaya?

You know that dude who "killed" Mariko Yashida and was boffing Psylocke or Revanche or whoever?

Did Logan ever kill him or was he still just slicing off random bodyparts?

[Omega Flight]

Quick question time...

Whatever happened to Matsuo Tsurabaya?

You know that dude who "killed" Mariko Yashida and was boffing Psylocke or Revanche or whoever?

Did Logan ever kill him or was he still just slicing off random bodyparts?

I think he was doing the latter according to Wikipedia.

[Vonn Hennigar]

So he's still alive?

Hrrmmm.

What about Shinobi Shaw? Whatever happened to him? Hell i don't even know how Ol Sebastion came back and it's been years since that happened.

[markgrayson]

This according to Wiki:
In the recent X-Men: 198 Files, Shaw was confirmed as being one of a handful of mutants who retained their powers following House of M.
Sorry it doesn't really help

[Arion]

This week's X-Factor was great. Arcade is a damn genius

I haven't read it yet. Can't wait.

[Arion]

So he's still alive?



No idea.

[The Roman]

I haven't been reading Cable, does anyone here know what powers he has, I mean has he shown any sign of using his old psychic powers since his revival?

[Vonn Hennigar]

I haven't been reading Cable, does anyone here know what powers he has, I mean has he shown any sign of using his old psychic powers since his revival?

He hasn't shown any sign of 'em (Telepathic or Telekinsis). But i thought he lost them ages ago anyway (Sometime in the first 25 issues of Cable/Deadpool and was using technology to mask it)

[The Roman]

He hasn't shown any sign of 'em (Telepathic or Telekinsis). But i thought he lost them ages ago anyway (Sometime in the first 25 issues of Cable/Deadpool and was using technology to mask it)

That's what I figured, but never hurts to ask.


They really should give Cable his psionic powers back. They don't have any male telepaths anymore not named Xavier.

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-Factor # 31

Enjoyable, as Arcade stories usually are especially when they keep his appearances so smartly infrequent. I'm gonna miss Pablo Raimondi though as i'm not too excited about Larry Stroman's upcoming return to the title to be honest. Plus Layla Miller can't return fast enough in my books.

7/10

X-Men : Divided We Stand # 2

It's an anthology title so naturally there's good and then there's not so good...

The Good

The Beast - Basically it's Hank closing up shop at the Westchester Academy,remembering the good and bad ol days and basically doing what i was hoping to see aka Securing the location,destroying/copying relevant files and all that kind of stuff. Plus he even remembers to grab ol Martha Johannssens' floating brain!

Havok - Oh poor Alex :( Kept in an underwater/sunless prison by Vulcan as Polaris and the Starjammers are tortured in other cells the now helpless Havok is further brought down when Vulcan deigns to show him the current mess the X-Men have become (Including the Messiah Baby and her fate,Professor X's "Death" which obviously pleases Vulcan and the subsequent shutting down of the X-Men) Havok screams revenge and promises to kill his brother uh Vulcan that is. A To Be Continued story obviously but it was nice to check in and get an update after the Emperor Vulcan mini-series.

Forge - Nothing really special here as Forge gets out of the hospital and returns to the Airie in Dallas only to get attacked AGAIN by Bishop (As seen in the Cable ongoing) He then promises for this insult to never be repeated and get's to work on secret plans. Like i said nothing special but i hold out hope that he rejoins the X-Men proper and builds/designs their upcoming new San Fransisco digs.

Not So Good

Magik - I haven't followed anything relating to Illyana since she died in that classic Uncanny X-Men # 303 so i have no clue why she's back in limbo and has goat legs now. It's not the House Of M Illyana either since she clearly knows who the X-Men are and even returns to Earth briefly to see the Westchester Mansion destroyed (Which didn't even exist in the House Of M reality) She then promises to go an a Macguffin hunt to find some gemstones to return her body to normal i'm guessing and we get a big ol To Be Continued. What can i say, i've never given a shit about Magik (Hell i'm one of the 32 X-Fans who couldn't stand Inferno!!!) so this didn't do it for me.

Dani Moonstar and Surge - Basically Surge goes to join her old teacher Dani in the woods and pines over what's happened to the X-Men and Dani says there there things will get better. The End. Yawn! Get Surge(Along with Hellion and Mercury) to join the Young X-Men already before that book dies of public apathy.

Overall

6/10

Haven't gotten my mitts on Steve Dillon's final issue of Wolverine Origins (# 25) yet but hopefully next week.

[The Roman]

X-Factor # 31

Enjoyable, as Arcade stories usually are especially when they keep his appearances so smartly infrequent. I'm gonna miss Pablo Raimondi though as i'm not too excited about Larry Stroman's upcoming return to the title to be honest. Plus Layla Miller can't return fast enough in my books.

7/10

X-Men : Divided We Stand # 2

It's an anthology title so naturally there's good and then there's not so good...

The Good

The Beast - Basically it's Hank closing up shop at the Westchester Academy,remembering the good and bad ol days and basically doing what i was hoping to see aka Securing the location,destroying/copying relevant files and all that kind of stuff. Plus he even remembers to grab ol Martha Johannssens' floating brain!

Havok - Oh poor Alex :( Kept in an underwater/sunless prison by Vulcan as Polaris and the Starjammers are tortured in other cells the now helpless Havok is further brought down when Vulcan deigns to show him the current mess the X-Men have become (Including the Messiah Baby and her fate,Professor X's "Death" which obviously pleases Vulcan and the subsequent shutting down of the X-Men) Havok screams revenge and promises to kill his brother uh Vulcan that is. A To Be Continued story obviously but it was nice to check in and get an update after the Emperor Vulcan mini-series.

Forge - Nothing really special here as Forge gets out of the hospital and returns to the Airie in Dallas only to get attacked AGAIN by Bishop (As seen in the Cable ongoing) He then promises for this insult to never be repeated and get's to work on secret plans. Like i said nothing special but i hold out hope that he rejoins the X-Men proper and builds/designs their upcoming new San Fransisco digs.

Not So Good

Magik - I haven't followed anything relating to Illyana since she died in that classic Uncanny X-Men # 303 so i have no clue why she's back in limbo and has goat legs now. It's not the House Of M Illyana either since she clearly knows who the X-Men are and even returns to Earth briefly to see the Westchester Mansion destroyed (Which didn't even exist in the House Of M reality) She then promises to go an a Macguffin hunt to find some gemstones to return her body to normal i'm guessing and we get a big ol To Be Continued. What can i say, i've never given a shit about Magik (Hell i'm one of the 32 X-Fans who couldn't stand Inferno!!!) so this didn't do it for me.

Dani Moonstar and Surge - Basically Surge goes to join her old teacher Dani in the woods and pines over what's happened to the X-Men and Dani says there there things will get better. The End. Yawn! Get Surge(Along with Hellion and Mercury) to join the Young X-Men already before that book dies of public apathy.

Overall

6/10

Haven't gotten my mitts on Steve Dillon's final issue of Wolverine Origins (# 25) yet but hopefully next week.



You didn't read Quest For Magik (New X-Men #37-41)? For SHAME!!!

That was an awesome story with great Skottie Young art. And it's when Pixie gets her spotlight!