The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[GrandMaster Funk]

Messiah Complex has been awesome.

I totally did not see the Cable revelation coming. I mean, it made total sense and given what I knew about things going in, I probably SHOULD have predicted it, but I didn't really think about it and it was a cool moment.


It was suprised too. It make perfect sense, especially with everything that was being done with Cable in Cable/Deadpool.I think its even hinted at one point in part one someone else was at the battle. They mention that the Purfiers shouldn't have been able to shatter Prism in half.

Is anyone else a think Bishop is up to something? His behavoir in this issue seemed a little odd.

[NickT]

The Sentinels being reprogrammed and attacking the X-Men is so fucking badass! I've been waiting for this since the minute the O.N.E. set foot on Xavier's! Yay!
Eh, I was a bit dissapointed since they haven't done anything.

[HomerGator]

Eh, I was a bit dissapointed since they haven't done anything.

Do you mean since they've been at the mansion, or since they were reprogrammed?

'Cause they've only been reprogrammed for like two pages :)

[Fake Pat]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=138330

New Messiah Complex-centric interview with Mike Carey.

[Glixy]

The Sentinels being reprogrammed and attacking the X-Men is so fucking badass! I've been waiting for this since the minute the O.N.E. set foot on Xavier's! Yay!

Do we have any of the how's and why's of this yet? It really took me by surprise what the hell happened to that one Sentinel operator? I couldn't really figure out what the hell was going on.

Loved the last page. A lot.

[NickT]

Do you mean since they've been at the mansion, or since they were reprogrammed?

'Cause they've only been reprogrammed for like two pages :)
Since they've been there. Seems to me like this is a way of getting rid of something with a lot of cool potential.

[HomerGator]

Since they've been there. Seems to me like this is a way of getting rid of something with a lot of cool potential.

I can see your point, but for me, this could be the paying off of all of that potential. I have a feeling this is going to be a HUGE fight.

[NickT]

I can see your point, but for me, this could be the paying off of all of that potential. I have a feeling this is going to be a HUGE fight.
I'm sure it will be a huge fight, but it's X-Men versus the Sentinels.....again. How about the coolness of the X-Men fighting WITH the Sentinels?

[Magnum V.I.]

I'm sure it will be a huge fight, but it's X-Men versus the Sentinels.....again. How about the coolness of the X-Men fighting WITH the Sentinels?

The Story isn't over yet ;)

[Gecko]

I am soooooo slackin' on my reading. I hear Ultimate X-Men is getting gradually worse... any truth to that?

I was thinking of buying a few issues to get me caught up.

[Ben]

I'm sure it will be a huge fight, but it's X-Men versus the Sentinels.....again. How about the coolness of the X-Men fighting WITH the Sentinels?That's happened a few times, but the Sentinels get taken out almost immediately. The X-Men's enemies are much more powerful than those dumb robots.

[HomerGator]

I'm sure it will be a huge fight, but it's X-Men versus the Sentinels.....again. How about the coolness of the X-Men fighting WITH the Sentinels?

Meh. The Sentinels are giant, mutant killing robots. They're much cooler that way, as opposed to the giant anime robots with soldiers driving them.

[Kefky]

Meh. The Sentinels are giant, mutant killing robots. They're much cooler that way, as opposed to the giant anime robots with soldiers driving them.

Eh, I'm so tired of that, though. If that's all they can do, than just scrap them for good. As bad guys, they're as had to take seriously as Hydra ninjas.

[HomerGator]

Eh, I'm so tired of that, though. If that's all they can do, than just scrap them for good. As bad guys, they're as had to take seriously as Hydra ninjas.

That's only because the times they have been used, they don't DO anything. I think the only times they've been used well were in Days of Future Past, and in Uncanny X-Men 281-2.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I am soooooo slackin' on my reading. I hear Ultimate X-Men is getting gradually worse... any truth to that?

I was thinking of buying a few issues because I'm out of liners for my cat litter tray.

Do my alterations to your quote tell you my opinion? The book keeps getting worse and worse and I blame editorial How could the writer's other projects be so good and this one be getting duller and less inspired with every issue.

[Fake Pat]

Do my alterations to your quote tell you my opinion? The book keeps getting worse and worse and I blame editorial How could the writer's other projects be so good and this one be getting duller and less inspired with every issue.

I don't think any particular individual can be blamed for UXM.

For whatever reason that book has always seemed to suck the talent out of all involved. Bendis, Millar, and even BKV have done some of their weakest work on that title. Not saying their stuff was bad, but it really doesn't hold up to any of their other work.

[Fake Pat]

Spoilers for tomorrow's Uncanny are up on the Newsarama boards if anybody's interested.

And it look like I may have been right about one of my theories.

[Dreg]

That's happened a few times, but the Sentinels get taken out almost immediately. The X-Men's enemies are much more powerful than those dumb robots.

They kicked ass in Millar's Enemy of the State. Much more than Wolverine did in that situation, in fact. Apparently, though, while those Sentinels were good for offing mutants, they did have one achilles heel: ninjas.

[HomerGator]

They kicked ass in Millar's Enemy of the State. Much more than Wolverine did in that situation, in fact. Apparently, though, while those Sentinels were good for offing mutants, they did have one achilles heel: ninjas.

Ninjas are everyone's achille's heel...

[Ben]

Ninjas are everyone's achille's heel...In fact, wasn't it a ninja that killed Achilles in the Iliad? Does "iliad" mean "ninja" in Ancient Greek?

[Akira]

God almighty Messiah Complex is fucking awesome. Seriously, this may be the best that the X-titles have been since I started reading comics in the very early 90s. The Cable return was so fucking awesome :D
Also, as for the Sentinels, Last we saw Nimrod, he just got dumped into some alternate timeline, is it possible this is his doing? I re read all of New X-Men: Childhood's End yesterday and the way these sentinels talked sounded similar to his speech patterns

[Akira]

Also, Cyclops taking charge and being a fucking leader again? Awesome! :)

[HomerGator]

Also, Cyclops taking charge and being a fucking leader again? Awesome! :)

Yeah, he's finally getting his due, it seems. It's been SO long since he was as cool as he is now. At least for me.

For me, the last time he was this interesting was the first twenty five issues or so of X-Factor.

Honorable mention to the first nine issues or so of Morisson's New X-men.

[Glixy]

Holy shit, x-men was aweeeesome. Bachalo did some of the best work of his career in STEAMPUNK, and who doesn't like Gambit being gutted? Fixed.

Seriously. Anyone here who is enjoying Bachalo's art here...

It is very, very, very good. But go check out Steampunk. I mean it. His pencils are off the charts.

[Akira]

Fixed.

Seriously. Anyone here who is enjoying Bachalo's art here...

It is very, very, very good. But go check out Steampunk. I mean it. His pencils are off the charts.

I need to track that series down. I've loved Bachalo since Gen-X, but I never checked out Steampunk

[Glixy]

http://www.geoffklock.com/images/bachaloScarf.jpg

[Akira]

http://www.geoffklock.com/images/bachaloScarf.jpg

:shock:

Oh fuck, my pants are tight now.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I just read NXM 44 and X-Men 205 last night. Fan-fucking-tastic. X-Men 205 was incredible, and some of Bachalo's best work, yet (of course, I love Bachalo, so I may be biased).


Now, I'm off to read the new Uncanny

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

God almighty Messiah Complex is fucking awesome. Seriously, this may be the best that the X-titles have been since I started reading comics in the very early 90s. The Cable return was so fucking awesome :D
Also, as for the Sentinels, Last we saw Nimrod, he just got dumped into some alternate timeline, is it possible this is his doing? I re read all of New X-Men: Childhood's End yesterday and the way these sentinels talked sounded similar to his speech patterns

Agreed on Cable's return. Incredibly awesome, and I'm shocked that I didn't see it coming.

As for Nimrod, I love this theory. I hope you're right

[Glixy]

Had time to skim uncanny at work...

Uh-oh

Where is Charles? Maybe he was around? I didn't see him. Now that he's been "rejected" by all of his students, old and new, I think he's going to find his buddy Magnus.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Had time to skim uncanny at work...

Uh-oh

Where is Charles? Maybe he was around? I didn't see him. Now that he's been "rejected" by all of his students, old and new, I think he's going to find his buddy Magnus.

Nah

Charles is still there. He was hurt the same as the other telepaths

[HomerGator]

In today's Uncanny X-Men:

So, who was that robot? It reminded me of Danger...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

In today's Uncanny X-Men:

So, who was that robot? It reminded me of Danger...

I'm not sure who was responsible for those robot creatures, but I highly doubt it was Cable, as the X-Men seem to think.

I did notice the slight resemblance to Danger, but I didn't really think too much about it.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Anyone else thinking this crossover has created a great jumping off point? I find it really very uninspiring so far and hardly what I expect from a creative summit like they described it coming out of. This might be the final nail in the coffin of my love for the X-Books, especially after nearly two years of Brubaker failing to meet the standards he's shown on other books and having already stopped picking up Carey's book long before the crossover began.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Anyone else thinking this crossover has created a great jumping off point? I find it really very uninspiring so far and hardly what I expect from a creative summit like they described it coming out of. This might be the final nail in the coffin of my love for the X-Books, especially after nearly two years of Brubaker failing to meet the standards he's shown on other books and having already stopped picking up Carey's book long before the crossover began.

...I think you're in the strong minority, here. I think this crossover has been fantastic so far.

[Glixy]

Nah

Charles is still there. He was hurt the same as the other telepaths

Yeah, he was only in one panel, and I missed it cuz I was skimming.

I'm a loser.

[Fake Pat]

...I think you're in the strong minority, here. I think this crossover has been fantastic so far.

Agreed.

I never buy an X-book outside of Astonishing (and the New X-Men that Skottie Young did), and I'm now getting X-Men til the end of the event, and maybe New X-Men again too. I'm at least flipping through UXM and X-Factor too.

I've also barely heard or read anything negative about it.

[HomerGator]

I'm not sure who was responsible for those robot creatures, but I highly doubt it was Cable, as the X-Men seem to think.

I did notice the slight resemblance to Danger, but I didn't really think too much about it.

Yeah, I'm with you. They're jumping to conclusions awfully fast, there. I have a feeling that'll bite them in the ass. It's understandable that they'd be quick to send you-know-who after you-know-who, seeing as how the baby is involved, but why they assumed he was behind the Sentinels attacking them? Why would he do that?

And does anyone have any ideas as to who was behind the Sentinels' attack? I'm drawing a blank, and I've read pretty much every issue of X-Men since 1991 (thank you, quarter bins!). And pretty much everything before (thank you, Marvel Essentials!). I was thinking it's either Serafina (but we just saw her, and I don't know if enough people know who she is for it to make sense), some version of Nimrod or the Master Mold (that would be so sweet), or Danger (and that wouldn't make sense, as we don't even know how Astonishing ends up yet). I feel like I'm missing something rather obvious.

[HomerGator]

Anyone else thinking this crossover has created a great jumping off point? I find it really very uninspiring so far and hardly what I expect from a creative summit like they described it coming out of. This might be the final nail in the coffin of my love for the X-Books, especially after nearly two years of Brubaker failing to meet the standards he's shown on other books and having already stopped picking up Carey's book long before the crossover began.

....really? Man, I'm pretty much the exact opposite of you, then :D

Sorry to hear that you're not digging it. At least there's still Astonishing...

[Matt O.]

Anyone else thinking this crossover has created a great jumping off point? I find it really very uninspiring so far and hardly what I expect from a creative summit like they described it coming out of. This might be the final nail in the coffin of my love for the X-Books, especially after nearly two years of Brubaker failing to meet the standards he's shown on other books and having already stopped picking up Carey's book long before the crossover began.

I only want to commit to one of the books (X-Factor) so I had to drop it during the crossover. I'll probably buy the OHC though.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I'm with you. They're jumping to conclusions awfully fast, there. I have a feeling that'll bite them in the ass. It's understandable that they'd be quick to send you-know-who after you-know-who, seeing as how the baby is involved, but why they assumed he was behind the Sentinels attacking them? Why would he do that?

And does anyone have any ideas as to who was behind the Sentinels' attack? I'm drawing a blank, and I've read pretty much every issue of X-Men since 1991 (thank you, quarter bins!). And pretty much everything before (thank you, Marvel Essentials!). I was thinking it's either Serafina (but we just saw her, and I don't know if enough people know who she is for it to make sense), some version of Nimrod or the Master Mold (that would be so sweet), or Danger (and that wouldn't make sense, as we don't even know how Astonishing ends up yet). I feel like I'm missing something rather obvious.

Hell, I've read just about every x-comic ever and I'm drawing a blank on who is controlling the sentinels. I'm hoping for Nimrod or Master Mold

[HomerGator]

Hell, I've read just about every x-comic ever and I'm drawing a blank on who is controlling the sentinels. I'm hoping for Nimrod or Master Mold

Dude, just thinking about Master Mold made me dig out one of my all-time favorite comics, X-Factor (vol 1) 14. Cyclops v Master Mold!!!

SO fucking badass. The Simonsons really went out of their way to develop Cyclops, not only as a character, but as someone you REALLY don't want to fuck with. It reminds me of that issue of Uncanny by Claremont/Paul Smith. I think it might be issue 200... Mastermind makes the X-Men think Cyclops is actually Dark Phoenix, and they're out to kill him. He's pulling his punches, because these are his friends, but they're not, and he takes out Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Rogue, Storm, Colossus, AND Wolverine, just because he knows everything about their fighting tendencies and weaknesses.

Damn, now I have to dig that one out, too!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Dude, just thinking about Master Mold made me dig out one of my all-time favorite comics, X-Factor (vol 1) 14. Cyclops v Master Mold!!!

SO fucking badass. The Simonsons really went out of their way to develop Cyclops, not only as a character, but as someone you REALLY don't want to fuck with. It reminds me of that issue of Uncanny by Claremont/Paul Smith. I think it might be issue 200... Mastermind makes the X-Men think Cyclops is actually Dark Phoenix, and they're out to kill him. He's pulling his punches, because these are his friends, but they're not, and he takes out Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Rogue, Storm, Colossus, AND Wolverine, just because he knows everything about their fighting tendencies and weaknesses.

Damn, now I have to dig that one out, too!

Those are two really fun issues.

[Magnum V.I.]

Hell, I've read just about every x-comic ever and I'm drawing a blank on who is controlling the sentinels. I'm hoping for Nimrod or Master Mold

I think it's possible to say It's Nimrod or Master Mold. But I think they think Cable has gone rogue since he has the baby and he hasn't brought it to them and he has access to those Nano Sentinels. Maybe it's a different Cable? or Maybe this Cable knows that if the X-Men get the baby it'll be killed so he needs to Stop them?

[Glixy]

Hell, I've read just about every x-comic ever and I'm drawing a blank on who is controlling the sentinels. I'm hoping for Nimrod or Master Mold

Mags? We know he can control nano-sents...

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I think it's possible to say It's Nimrod or Master Mold. But I think they think Cable has gone rogue since he has the baby and he hasn't brought it to them and he has access to those Nano Sentinels. Maybe it's a different Cable? or Maybe this Cable knows that if the X-Men get the baby it'll be killed so he needs to Stop them?

Maybe it's Nate Grey! :ecstatic:



:cool:

[Magnum V.I.]

Maybe it's Nate Grey! :ecstatic:



:cool:

God Damn Dark Beast! *shakes fist*

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

God Damn Dark Beast! *shakes fist*

In soviet Russia, Dark Beast God Damns you

[Magnum V.I.]

In soviet Russia, Dark Beast God Damns you

:heybaby:

This X-Cross over has been awesome. And I've been buying all the X-books since last May. THEY ARE AWESOME!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:heybaby:

This X-Cross over has been awesome. And I've been buying all the X-books since last May. THEY ARE AWESOME!

Fuckin a-right, they are. :rock:

[Magnum V.I.]

Fuckin a-right, they are. :rock:

I'm Glad things aren't going the right way for the X-Men. I hate those fucking happy endings! Or stories where the heroes always come out on top.:mad:

But I also hope Thunderbird got killed by Predator X!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I'm Glad things aren't going the right way for the X-Men. I hate those fucking happy endings! Or stories where the heroes always come out on top.:mad:

But I also hope Thunderbird got killed by Predator X!

Some of the best x-stories are when they get their asses kicked (see Mutant Massacre)

[Magnum V.I.]

Some of the best x-stories are when they get their asses kicked (see Mutant Massacre)

God Damn Remy Lebeau! *angry fist shake*

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

God Damn Remy Lebeau! *angry fist shake*

You seem very angry, today.


Ack! I just noticed you graduated to Godfather at some point. Congrats!

[Magnum V.I.]

You seem very angry, today.


Ack! I just noticed you graduated to Godfather at some point. Congrats!

Nah. Just Taking my anger out on Gambit and Dark Beast. :lol: Working at UPS is taking a toll on my feet.

When the fuck did that happen! Well..YAY ME!

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Nah. Just Taking my anger out on Gambit and Dark Beast. :lol: Working at UPS is taking a toll on my feet.

When the fuck did that happen! Well..YAY ME!

Ugh, I bet. Want a footrub? :heybaby:


I'd say about... oh... 50 posts ago?

[HomerGator]

In soviet Russia, Dark Beast God Damns you

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Coming March 2008... WOLVERINE : FIRST CLASS

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/WFC001_COV_fnl_col_001.jpg

Fred Van Lente & Andrea DeVito with flashback tales of Logan and Kitty Pryde going off on adventures and Wolverine generally being a dirty ol perv. (Hey, you know it's true).

Full interview here. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/12/06/ghost-of-fred-van-lente-future-wolverine-first-class/

[HomerGator]

Meh. Not for me, thanks.

I'm not going to bitch about yet another Wolverine book, but this seems like overkill. Hopefully the market is there for it. I like Van Lente and Divito very much, and wish them success.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, pass on that

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'll give him an arc due to his Modok thing. He has that long to convince me this is not the crap idea it sounds like.

[Magnum V.I.]

Ugh, I bet. Want a footrub? :heybaby:


I'd say about... oh... 50 posts ago?

:heybaby: As long as you lance my blisters.


I never pay attention to these things.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

:heybaby: As long as you lance my blisters.


I never pay attention to these things.

oh, my. :thumb:

[Kefky]

I really dug this week's uncanny too, and I'm really happy with this crossover so far... But I'm still trying to remain only cautiously optimistic, one because marvel hasn't really had a good track record for good crossover endings lately, and two because of the old x-men crossover curse. Still, though, I REALLY do hope they manage to keep the story exciting all the way through, and deliver a solid and satisfying ending, with a good direction for the entire line. Fingers crossed! :)

[iGotKittyPryde]

I for one, support Wolverine: First Class

But then one of my top 5 favorite comic stories is "Wolverine/Kitty Pryde"

And my SN is "iGotKittyPryde"

And I love Kitty Pryde, especially in that era.

Soooo... I mean, I think they're just giving me a Christmas present...

[Eric Williams]

I think one of the most fascinating aspects of this week's Uncanny was seeing how much Billy Tan has developed over the past few years. He seems much more comfortable with exposition scenes, and his characters' faces seem much more defined and unique.

I mean, compare this with some of his pre-Brubaker Uncanny X-Men or the X23 mini-series. Hell, I even like the art better than last month's. I dunno, I think it's great to see artists find their footing, and I know Tan has gotten his share of criticism.

Oh, yeah. The story was great, too. :)

[HomerGator]

I think one of the most fascinating aspects of this week's Uncanny was seeing how much Billy Tan has developed over the past few years. He seems much more comfortable with exposition scenes, and his characters' faces seem much more defined and unique.

I mean, compare this with some of his pre-Brubaker Uncanny X-Men or the X23 mini-series. Hell, I even like the art better than last month's. I dunno, I think it's great to see artists find their footing, and I know Tan has gotten his share of criticism.

Oh, yeah. The story was great, too. :)

I'm glad someone's liking Tan's art. To me it just feels subpar. He definitely has gotten better, but I really can't believe they've given him Uncanny X-Men to try to get his feet under him.

My personal opinion. I know a lot of people really like the guy, but then again, a lot of people like Humberto Ramos' art, too, and I feel like my eyes are being raped when I look at his work.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I personally LOVED Billy Tan's work on Uncanny X-Men and this issue was the absolute pinnacle of his stuff so far.

Quick question about this weeks issue though, who the hell was that black dude with the tattoos/energy things covering his body who attacked the Sentinels? I saw him on the Variant cover and freaked out thinking it was some terrible new look for Bishop or something. I've never seen or heard of this dude before.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I personally LOVED Billy Tan's work on Uncanny X-Men and this issue was the absolute pinnacle of his stuff so far.

Quick question about this weeks issue though, who the hell was that black dude with the tattoos/energy things covering his body who attacked the Sentinels? I saw him on the Variant cover and freaked out thinking it was some terrible new look for Bishop or something. I've never seen or heard of this dude before.

His name is Nezhno, and his code-name is Gentle (I think)...

[Magnum V.I.]

I personally LOVED Billy Tan's work on Uncanny X-Men and this issue was the absolute pinnacle of his stuff so far.

Quick question about this weeks issue though, who the hell was that black dude with the tattoos/energy things covering his body who attacked the Sentinels? I saw him on the Variant cover and freaked out thinking it was some terrible new look for Bishop or something. I've never seen or heard of this dude before.

He's a New X-men and he has Vibranium Tattoo's over his body to keep him from growing too large and dieing.

[HomerGator]

His name is Nezhno, and his code-name is Gentle (I think)...

Correct! He wears Wakandan vibranium tattoos to keep his power in check, because otherwise he's as dead as Douglock.

Eventually, even the tattoos won't help.

[Vonn Hennigar]

His name is Nezhno, and his code-name is Gentle (I think)...

He's a New X-men and he has Vibranium Tattoo's over his body to keep him from growing too large and dieing.

Correct! He wears Wakandan vibranium tattoos to keep his power in check, because otherwise he's as dead as Douglock.

Eventually, even the tattoos won't help.

Would i be correct in assuming he sucks donkey dick?

My first impression is how do you say? Ah yes....Not good.

When you make Triathalon look cool in comparison you know somethings wrong.

[Magnum V.I.]

Would i be correct in assuming he sucks donkey dick?

My first impression is how do you say? Ah yes....Not good.

When you make Triathalon look cool in comparison you know somethings wrong.

He hasn't had a lot of face time at all really.

[HomerGator]

Would i be correct in assuming he sucks donkey dick?

My first impression is how do you say? Ah yes....Not good.

When you make Triathalon look cool in comparison you know somethings wrong.

Actually, I've liked him well enough. He hasn't really had a chance to do a lot.

[HomerGator]

He hasn't had a lot of face time at all really.

Actually, other than helping out in Limbo (New X-Men) and then the most recent issue of Uncanny (is he dead?), what else HAS he done?

[Magnum V.I.]

Actually, other than helping out in Limbo (New X-Men) and then the most recent issue of Uncanny (is he dead?), what else HAS he done?

I think nothing.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I think nothing.

He stands around... sometimes.

[Magnum V.I.]

He stands around... sometimes.

and looks all badass.

[HomerGator]

Much like many other X characters, particularly about ten or fifteen years ago :D

[HomerGator]

X-Factor was awesome!!!

Off to work!

[Eric Williams]

X-Factor was pretty good, though I'm a bit concerned that we're at Part Seven and the essential procedure is still "Panic!" "Running Around!". Hopefully things will develop more in the second half.

That being said, I'm still enjoying it, which is all that really matters.

[HomerGator]

Next issue: Reavers v X-Force!!! That should be sweet, we'll get to see X23 take on Deathstrike, who she's probably not all that pleased with, seeing as how Deathstrike impaled Julian a few issues ago...

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-Factor # 26.

Fun, but the overall plot is starting to sag a bit. It's feeling a bit stretched out at this point but i'm hoping for a big finish and considering all they have left to still accomplish i'm confident. That said, i was pleasantly surprised at how much i enjoyed X-Force so that bodes well for the ongoing and the Scott/Charles stuff is just fascinating to an old time x-nerd like myself. Still not quite seeing the importance of the Jamie/Layla plot though but i'm sure the reveal will be worth it. Love the new and improved Lady Deathstrike so next issue's battle should be a real treat.

7/10

[Vonn Hennigar]

November 2007 X-Book Comic Sales Chart

2 147.10 ASTONISHING X-MEN #23 $2.99 MAR
5 133.54 UNCANNY X-MEN #492 MC* $2.99 MAR
8 129.08 X-MEN #205 MC* $2.99 MAR
20 92.27 NEW X-MEN #44 MC* $2.99 MAR
21 91.75 X-FACTOR #25 MC* $2.99 MAR
23 85.62 WOLVERINE #59 $2.99 MAR
28 72.95 WOLVERINE ORIGINS #19 $2.99 MAR
59 49.11 X-MEN EMPEROR VULCAN #3 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR
75 39.45 X-MEN DIE BY THE SWORD #3 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR
98 31.77 CABLE DEADPOOL #47 $2.99 MAR

Some of the highest numbers the X-Books have seen in a while all told. 3 Books in the Top 10 used to be business as usual but ever since The Age Of The Avengers began in 2003 it's been a bit more rare. Ultimate X-Men missed shipping last month and First Class is once again out of the Top 100.

[artimoff]

Coming March 2008... WOLVERINE : FIRST CLASS

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/WFC001_COV_fnl_col_001.jpg

Fred Van Lente & Andrea DeVito with flashback tales of Logan and Kitty Pryde going off on adventures and Wolverine generally being a dirty ol perv. (Hey, you know it's true).

Full interview here. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/12/06/ghost-of-fred-van-lente-future-wolverine-first-class/

If my fears are correct, the 2 First Class books will be the only X-Books I buy for a while.

That said, I'll buy any book with Nightcrawler & Kitty in them.

[Eric Williams]

Messiah Complex-related, I'm also incredibly intrigued to see where the other Madrox duplicate ended up.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Messiah Complex-related, I'm also incredibly intrigued to see where the other Madrox duplicate ended up.

At this point, i don't think it's all that important.

I'd be delighted to see a one-panel shot of Madrox on a beach enjoying the rays in his alternate future world.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Messiah Complex-related, I'm also incredibly intrigued to see where the other Madrox duplicate ended up.

I have a feeling we won't get back to it until after Messiah Complex is over.

[HomerGator]

Messiah Complex-related, I'm also incredibly intrigued to see where the other Madrox duplicate ended up.

I've been thinking about that, too. It's odd Forge hasn't even mentioned it yet... of course, we haven't really seen Forge a lot (at all?) in the last two parts.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I've been thinking about that, too. It's odd Forge hasn't even mentioned it yet... of course, we haven't really seen Forge a lot (at all?) in the last two parts.

Forge was giving off a major asshole vibe in his one appearance so far. Must be pissed about Black Panther shlupping his woman or something.

[HomerGator]

Forge was giving off a major asshole vibe in his one appearance so far. Must be pissed about Black Panther shlupping his woman or something.

Hmm. I didn't get that from his appearances. He was kind of dickish to Jamie, but everyone is. Jamie's a dick right back.

Then he argued with Scott a bit, but IIRC, it was more that he was suprised by the lengths Scott was going to. This isn't the same Cyclops he's known for so long.

[Fake Pat]

So, this week's New X-Men was friggin' brutal.

And awesome.

[HomerGator]

So, this week's New X-Men was friggin' brutal.

And awesome.

Fuck yeah, it was. I pretty much saw the one death (Caliban)coming, but the way X23 took out Deathstrike was badass!!!

[MCD]

so only... 5 weeks left of Messiah complex? I am missing it already.

[Akira]

Hmm. I didn't get that from his appearances. He was kind of dickish to Jamie, but everyone is. Jamie's a dick right back.

Then he argued with Scott a bit, but IIRC, it was more that he was suprised by the lengths Scott was going to. This isn't the same Cyclops he's known for so long.

And i love it. The characterization of Cyclops has been one of the best things about the X-Books this year

[MCD]

I like that one could deduce that Cyclops growing a pair of balls actually ties into the events of Astonishing.

[NickT]

so only... 5 weeks left of Messiah complex? I am missing it already.
My only real complaint is that we're 7/12 through and it still kindof feels like it's buildup.

Oh, and the killing for no reason but for killing.


Don't get me wrong, it's good, but I do think it'd be better were it a Carey/Bachalo six issue mini/arc.

[MCD]

My only real complaint is that we're 7/12 through and it still kindof feels like it's buildup.

Oh, and the killing for no reason but for killing.


Don't get me wrong, it's good, but I do think it'd be better were it a Carey/Bachalo six issue mini/arc.

No one has really died, Hellian (I think that is his name) is injured, and Caliban isn't confirmed.

It isn't like Dan Didio is overseeing it.

[NickT]

No one has really died, Hellian (I think that is his name) is injured, and Caliban isn't confirmed.

It isn't like Dan Didio is overseeing it.
Two died in the first issue, Peepers is dead, Caliban is dead (An X-Men will fall, apparently he was on the promo picture that told us this), Deathstrike. With five issues to go, Im sure there will be more.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Just finished reading New X-Men # 45

I fucking LOVED it!

Humberto Ramos art is different but man when it clicks it really clicks, i thought he handled this action heavy issue brilliantly. I've got a bad feeling about Predator X though, next month is the final New X-Men issue so i think that bastard will pretty much just kill every last one of the kids which seems like a shame and a waste.

As for Lady Deathstrike, uh she's a cyborg it would take half a panel to bring her back again so i'm not too worried there also i'm really liking X-Force so far and that bodes well for the ongoing coming in February.

[Fake Pat]

My only real complaint is that we're 7/12 through and it still kindof feels like it's buildup.

Oh, and the killing for no reason but for killing.


Don't get me wrong, it's good, but I do think it'd be better were it a Carey/Bachalo six issue mini/arc.

Yes, it would be.

But I don't think it's felt too much like build-up, although I've only been reading NXM and Adjectiveless.

[HomerGator]

And i love it. The characterization of Cyclops has been one of the best things about the X-Books this year

Absolutely. It really started with Joss Whedon for me, right away with the first issue of Astonishing X-Men when he blasts the hell out of Wolverine.

Also, pretty much every other time they fight anything in Astonishing X-Men, he's the one with the most badass moments. Makes me happy :D

[Eric Williams]

So, does anyone else think
the traitor is Bishop? He's played a conspicuously small part in a story all about the future, and the cover image to X-Men #206 hints that Madrox and Layla have ended up in his future, or some variation of it. Not really sure what the connection is, but it seems a bit suspect.

[Fake Pat]

So, does anyone else think
the traitor is Bishop? He's played a conspicuously small part in a story all about the future, and the cover image to X-Men #206 hints that Madrox and Layla have ended up in his future, or some variation of it. Not really sure what the connection is, but it seems a bit suspect.

Not me.


I think the traitor is Gambit. They'll reveal that he's still on the good side in all of this. In 206 he seemed hesitant to fight, gave Wolverine some intel, and then disappeared.

[GrandMaster Funk]

So, does anyone else think
the traitor is Bishop? He's played a conspicuously small part in a story all about the future, and the cover image to X-Men #206 hints that Madrox and Layla have ended up in his future, or some variation of it. Not really sure what the connection is, but it seems a bit suspect.

Those were the same thoughts I had when they showed the cover for next week. Bishop's been pretty absent from the X-books recently and he was acting strangely in X-Men 205.
Not me.


I think the traitor is Gambit. They'll reveal that he's still on the good side in all of this. In 206 he seemed hesitant to fight, gave Wolverine some intel, and then disappeared.


I think we'll see this too, but I have a feeling Gambit's working with Cable. Not the X-Men

Also does anyone else feel that Predator X so far has been pretty unimportant to the story? It just feels like his screen time could be put to better use.

Also although I'm enjoying Ramos's action scenes, I hate his facial expressions for Surge. They seem real odd to me for some reason.

[Fake Pat]

Also does anyone else feel that Predator X so far has been pretty unimportant to the story? It just feels like his screen time could be put to better use.


Yeah, I kinda do.

But, I do think that Predator X might do something really big out of nowhere towards the end. Pop up and kill somebody important while the Marauders and the X-Men are focused on each other, for example.

[Eric Williams]

Not me.


I think the traitor is Gambit. They'll reveal that he's still on the good side in all of this. In 206 he seemed hesitant to fight, gave Wolverine some intel, and then disappeared.

Did they specify if it was a traitor to the X-Men or the Marauders?

[Fake Pat]

Did they specify if it was a traitor to the X-Men or the Marauders?

Not as far as I know.

[MCD]

[QUOTE=ZombieMaster Funk;4039064]Those were the same thoughts I had when they showed the cover for next week. Bishop's been pretty absent from the X-books recently and he was acting strangely in X-Men 205.
QUOTE]

Isn't the guy with the M on his face on that cover Jaime, not Bishop?

[Fake Pat]

[QUOTE=ZombieMaster Funk;4039064]Those were the same thoughts I had when they showed the cover for next week. Bishop's been pretty absent from the X-books recently and he was acting strangely in X-Men 205.


Isn't the guy with the M on his face on that cover Jaime, not Bishop?

Yeah, but obviously that's implying that Jamie is in Bishop's original timeline, and that Bishop may know more than he's letting on.

[MCD]

[QUOTE=MCD;4039108]

Yeah, but obviously that's implying that Jamie is in Bishop's original timeline, and that Bishop may know more than he's letting on.

But what does that have to do with Bishop being the traitor?

[Fake Pat]

But what does that have to do with Bishop being the traitor?

Beats me. I don't think it's him.

[Eric Williams]

Also does anyone else feel that Predator X so far has been pretty unimportant to the story? It just feels like his screen time could be put to better use.
Just a tad.
However, it seems
he's on his way for a Round 2 match with the New X-Men.
"Oh, we'll just leave you kids in charge at the Mansion while we head off - I mean, really, what could happen?"

After everything that's happened to these kids, I think I would implant GPS and obedience shock devices into their heads.

[Eric Williams]

Oh, and as an afterthought, I'm incredibly intrigued to know where the other Madrox ended up.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Isn't the guy with the M on his face on that cover Jaime, not Bishop?

It is, but maybe Bishop is the one who is responsible for causing these concentration camps to come. But yeah you guys are right, they might just have gone to the future Bishop's from.

[Fake Pat]

Oh, and as an afterthought, I'm incredibly intrigued to know where the other Madrox ended up.

One of the theories I've heard thrown around a bunch is that he's in a borderline mutant utopia, and that maybe the X-Men need to lose (or the baby needs to die) to achieve the better result.

[Eric Williams]

It is, but maybe Bishop is the one who is responsible for causing these concentration camps to come. But yeah you guys are right, they might just have gone to the future Bishop's from.
I think you're onto something. His cryptic behaviour in X-Men #205 combined with his scene in the Endangered Species has the red flag going for me.

[Eric Williams]

One of the theories I've heard thrown around a bunch is that he's in a borderline mutant utopia, and that maybe the X-Men need to lose (or the baby needs to die) to achieve the better result.
Oooh, very interesting.
I've also heard an offhand rumour that
the baby is Jean Grey incarnate, or otherwise related to Cyclops (Alaska, Sinister being involved, etc). I hope that's not the case, but we'll have to see.

[MCD]

Just a tad.
However, it seems
he's on his way for a Round 2 match with the New X-Men.
"Oh, we'll just leave you kids in charge at the Mansion while we head off - I mean, really, what could happen?"

After everything that's happened to these kids, I think I would implant GPS and obedience shock devices into their heads.


In what storyline did this creature first appear? I never saw it before until Messiah Complex.

[GrandMaster Funk]

In what storyline did this creature first appear? I never saw it before until Messiah Complex.

I think in the New X-Men arc Mercury Rising.

[NickT]

In what storyline did this creature first appear? I never saw it before until Messiah Complex.
I think they were from New X-Men, where they killed a guy to show how badass they are. Pattern emerging :)

[Marcdachamp]

I think they were from New X-Men, where they killed a guy to show how badass they are. Pattern emerging :)

They first appeared in New X-Men, yes.

[Chris Yost]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.

[Fake Pat]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.

I'm starting a one-man slow clap for you sir. :thumb:

[MCD]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.


I agree with you, the way some people talk they make you sound like Dan Didio or something :)

but in more important news: are you writing this Young X-men title we have heard about?

[Marcdachamp]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.
Can I buy you a beer? Seriously? Awesome, dude.

[Chris Yost]

Unless NickT thought Predator X really WAS badass, then I just sound like a super-defensive idiot. :p

Young X-Men? No comment.

[GrandMaster Funk]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.

Yeah Mammomax had so much potential! His character had depth!

Also I really loved your arc with Skottie Young. Please work with him again soon.

[Marcdachamp]

Yeah Mammomax had so much potential! His character had depth!

Also I really loved your arc with Skottie Young. Please work with him again soon.

Oh shit, that's right! YOU KILLED MAMMOMAX!

Eh, no one did anything with him other than Austen.

[artimoff]

Chris, it's Christmas Eve. Why are you posting here?








Shouldn't you be writing me some more funnybooks? Quit dicking around! :twisted:

[NickT]

That cracks me up, NickT - and I've heard it a lot, not just here from you.

Looking back, we really should have had Predator X just WOUND someone, instead of killing a character. That would have been better.

Because even though the creature was designed to hunt down and kill mutants, and actually needs to consume mutant DNA, a minor flesh wound would have really established the creature as a threat. And then people would have thought it was REALLY, REALLY badass.

'Did you see that killing machine wound that guy! Awesome!'

Same with Stryker and the Purifiers. Yes, they're a worldwide organization with knowledge of the future, with weapons reverse engineered from the most lethal Sentinel ever created, and fueled by religous zealotry...

...but just hurting a few kids really would have done the trick. People would know they're dangerous and competent - hey... they hurt Tag! We need to be careful of these guys!

That makes me smile.

Rant complete.
Touché :lol:


Despite my joking, I am looking forward to X-Force :)

[GrandMaster Funk]

Oh shit, that's right! YOU KILLED MAMMOMAX!

Eh, no one did anything with him other than Austen.

He followed Mr. M in one David Hine's M-Day mini series. He also hung out with Erg and Peppers for a little bit.

[Marcdachamp]

He followed Mr. M in one David Hine's M-Day mini series. He also hung out with Erg and Peppers for a little bit.

I meant the only thing I enjoyed. ;)

[Chris Yost]

Yeah, if I was Erg I'd fucking hide.

Honestly, Mammomax may have had potential. He could be in Matt Fraction's Kraven story in Punisher War Journal right now! Getting killed with much more funny. Damn us!

I'm working on animated stuff, and thus procrastinating here.

X-Force is going to be insane. It's more 'X-23' tone than 'New X-Men' tone, but damn. We write some pretty violent stuff, and the artist interprets it to various degrees - Billy Tan, Paco Medina, Boardmember Choi...

...but Clayton Crain has taken shit to a whole new level. The violence of what we'd written shocked even me.

And on top of that, it's got some heavy X-history in it, which i love.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Yeah, if I was Erg I'd fucking hide.

Honestly, Mammomax may have had potential. He could be in Matt Fraction's Kraven story in Punisher War Journal right now! Getting killed with much more funny. Damn us!

I'm working on animated stuff, and thus procrastinating here.

X-Force is going to be insane. It's more 'X-23' tone than 'New X-Men' tone, but damn. We write some pretty violent stuff, and the artist interprets it to various degrees - Billy Tan, Paco Medina, Boardmember Choi...

...but Clayton Crain has taken shit to a whole new level. The violence of what we'd written shocked even me.

And on top of that, it's got some heavy X-history in it, which i love.

Cool, are you working on one of the Marvel animated movies?

Also I'll be disappointed if you don't kill Erg now...

[NickT]

Cool, are you working on one of the Marvel animated movies?

Also I'll be disappointed if you don't kill Erg now...
Have Erg appear in more books than Wolverine, Spider-Man and Iron Man put together, make an event out of his death. "Where will Erg meet his end? Who will kill him? Why the hell is he called Erg?" :D

[HomerGator]

Yeah, if I was Erg I'd fucking hide.

Honestly, Mammomax may have had potential. He could be in Matt Fraction's Kraven story in Punisher War Journal right now! Getting killed with much more funny. Damn us!

I'm working on animated stuff, and thus procrastinating here.

X-Force is going to be insane. It's more 'X-23' tone than 'New X-Men' tone, but damn. We write some pretty violent stuff, and the artist interprets it to various degrees - Billy Tan, Paco Medina, Boardmember Choi...

...but Clayton Crain has taken shit to a whole new level. The violence of what we'd written shocked even me.

And on top of that, it's got some heavy X-history in it, which i love.

As horribly as Mammomax sucked, I would have liked to have seen how Fraction would have killed him.

However, I did enjoy him being eaten quite a bit :D

Kissing ass for a second: I loved your Endangered Species chapters, Chris. Also, like so many others, absolutely love what you guys are doing on New X-Men. Oh, also, I'm enjoying Emporer Vulcan quite a bit. Looking forward to X-Force!

OK, enough ass kissing.

[HomerGator]

Have Erg appear in more books than Wolverine, Spider-Man and Iron Man put together, make an event out of his death. "Where will Erg meet his end? Who will kill him? Why the hell is he called Erg?" :D

Yeah, why the hell IS he called 'Erg'?

[Vonn Hennigar]

I want Erg to die because i'm tired of confusing him with Callisto and Legion every time he shows up.

Make it so Chris.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Yeah, why the hell IS he called 'Erg'?

Well maybe its because he has an eye-patch and his name is possibly pronounced like the sound a priate makes.

[Vonn Hennigar]

An Erg is the unit of energy and mechanical work in the centimetre-gram-second (CGS) system of units, symbol "erg". Its name is derived from the Greek word meaning "work".

The erg is a small unit, equal to a force of one dyne exerted for a distance of one centimeter. In the CGS base units, it is equal to one gram centimeter-squared per second squared (g·cm²/s²). It is thus equal to 1 × 10−7 joules or 0.1 microjoule (µJ) in SI units.

1 erg = 10−7 joule

1 joule = 107 erg

1 dyn cm = 1 erg.

The More You Know...

[HomerGator]

once again, knowledge ruins my fun.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Am I the only one who thinks the story has been building toward Xavier being the traitor?

I'm not sure what he'd do, but it seems to be foreshadowed.

[Akira]

I want Erg to die because i'm tired of confusing him with Callisto and Legion every time he shows up.

Make it so Chris.

:lol:

[Glixy]

Am I the only one who thinks the story has been building toward Xavier being the traitor?

I'm not sure what he'd do, but it seems to be foreshadowed.

I'm with you on this. I think he's disallusioned and going to find his buddy Mags, and they are going to do something stupid. I posted this right after chapter 2 of MC.

It's a funny coincidence that they just reprinted Exiles 1 in issue 100. The evil Xavier is so freakin bad-ass.

[HomerGator]

Also, in the first chapter, after he had his brain zapped in Cerebra, he walked away with a sinister smile....

[Pat Loika]

Am I the only one who thinks the story has been building toward Xavier being the traitor?

I'm not sure what he'd do, but it seems to be foreshadowed.

It's someone else.

P.

[Marcdachamp]

Am I the only one who thinks the story has been building toward Xavier being the traitor?

I'm not sure what he'd do, but it seems to be foreshadowed.

I'm thinking Bishop as a possibility, honestly. He and Cable are both time-travelers, there could be something there.

[Vonn Hennigar]

It's someone else.

P.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Onslaught21.jpg?

[Kefky]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Onslaught21.jpg?

That never happened! NEVER! That doesn't exist! :no:

[Eric Williams]

Slightly unrelated - is the Extremists trade worth picking up tomorrow?

[Pat Loika]

Slightly unrelated - is the Extremists trade worth picking up tomorrow?

It was decent, it at least sets up Storm's return to the team, plus...Magneto.

P.

[Fake Pat]

Slightly unrelated - is the Extremists trade worth picking up tomorrow?

Depends.

Have you read any of the Carey trades yet?

[Eric Williams]

Depends.

Have you read any of the Carey trades yet?
Yep - Got both of them and really enjoyed them.

[Fake Pat]

Yep - Got both of them and really enjoyed them.

OK. If you've already got those, and you're still jonesing for some X-Men, The Extremists is a pretty decent read.

[Eric Williams]

OK. If you've already got those, and you're still jonesing for some X-Men, The Extremists is a pretty decent read.
Sounds good - it's not too expensive either, so it's not too bold an investment. Do we get any reaction on Scott's part about Corsair's death? I heard some complaints that it didn't really get covered much.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Sounds good - it's not too expensive either, so it's not too bold an investment. Do we get any reaction on Scott's part about Corsair's death? I heard some complaints that it didn't really get covered much.

I don't recall any. If there is any reaction its just scolding Xavier and blaming him for letting Alex stay behind.

[Vonn Hennigar]

They showed Hepzibah breaking the news to Scott and the aforementioned argument with Chuck.

Not enough either way for me, but what ya gonna do?

[SuperStick]

And the traitor is........

Bishop

eh. saw it coming.

[Pat Loika]

And the traitor is........

Bishop

eh. saw it coming.

You can kinda tell since he showed up, since he's been absolutely useless in the story thus far. Still, great reveal.

P.

[Eric Williams]

And the traitor is........

Bishop

eh. saw it coming.
Knew it! :) Still need to pick up the issue today.

[Foggy's Pal]

Maybe this has been discussed, sorry, but here goes.....
Which Jamie is with Layla? If it is a dupe, how did the dupe send out more dupes? Did I miss something?

[HomerGator]

Maybe this has been discussed, sorry, but here goes.....
Which Jamie is with Layla? If it is a dupe, how did the dupe send out more dupes? Did I miss something?

It is a dupe, and Jamie's dupes can make dupes themselves.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

It is a dupe, and Jamie's dupes can make dupes themselves.


The whole dupes being able to dupe thing is how they got around Jamie dying of the Legacy Virus back when.

[Foggy's Pal]

The whole dupes being able to dupe thing is how they got around Jamie dying of the Legacy Virus back when.

Thankee

[Kefky]

Hey guys, just wanted to bump this to say the X-Axis year in review is out. You may not agree with everything O'Brien says, but his rants sure are fun to read.

http://www.thexaxis.com/index.html

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

He's dead on the money about Astonishing especially but as usual I disagree with said blogger about X-Factor and New X-Men.

[NickT]

Apparently the new Wizard says that the new X-Factor member is Darwin.

[Eric Williams]

Apparently the new Wizard says that the new X-Factor member is Darwin.
I could actually see that working, in an odd sort of way.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Apparently the new Wizard says that the new X-Factor member is Darwin.

That's not who I was expecting. Especially since he hasn't appeared in the crossover yet.

[NickT]

That's not who I was expecting. Especially since he hasn't appeared in the crossover yet.
Think he was in the background of the last NXM issue.

[HomerGator]

Think he was in the background of the last NXM issue.

Correct!

[MCD]

Apparently the new Wizard says that the new X-Factor member is Darwin.

So between him, Layla, and Post M day Quicksilver, looks like PAD is going to make it a habit of taking new creations from other creators that only serve one story arc and giving them a home.

[HomerGator]

So between him, Layla, and Post M day Quicksilver, looks like PAD is going to make it a habit of taking new creations from other creators that only serve one story arc and giving them a home.

Much like Bendis :D

It's fine with me. Brubaker has done a really poor job of keeping Darwin involved at a time when he really needs to continue to be established. I thought The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire had some great bits for Darwin to shine, but since then all he's done is suck some gamma radiation from the Hulk.

PAD will work wonders with him.

[NickT]

So between him, Layla, and Post M day Quicksilver, looks like PAD is going to make it a habit of taking new creations from other creators that only serve one story arc and giving them a home.
X-Factor: The story and character orphanage.



He's an odd one to go in such a grounded book, but it'll be interesting to watch him develop under the new team.

I suppose on the other hand he makes sense, as he only really knows one X-Men person. He's hardly leaving all his friends behind.

[MCD]

God I love X-Factor. I can't remember, but is The Singularity Corp. still playing a role? Or did they take care of that situation completely?

[GrandMaster Funk]

God I love X-Factor. I can't remember, but is The Singularity Corp. still playing a role? Or did they take care of that situation completely?

In the last arc it was revealed that The Isolationist was behind them, but other then that they haven't played much of a role after the first arc. PAD hinted that they'd come back in a big way after Messiah CompleX.

[MCD]

In the last arc it was revealed that The Isolationist was behind them, but other then that they haven't played much of a role after the first arc. PAD hinted that they'd come back in a big way after Messiah CompleX.

Thanks, I look forward to it.

[Marcdachamp]

Darwin's an interesting choice, but I really hope to see X-Factor doing some more private investigations work. As much as I LOVE the book, I've been really hoping to see them handle some "Alias" style cases.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Y'know, I saw the new member thing a few days ago and misread it as X-Force and was like "whoa, that's an interesting idea"... but X-Factor? I'm not sure he fits in. Then again, X-Factor is such a good book that I don't doubt he can work it.

[NickT]

Y'know, I saw the new member thing a few days ago and misread it as X-Force and was like "whoa, that's an interesting idea"... but X-Factor? I'm not sure he fits in. Then again, X-Factor is such a good book that I don't doubt he can work it.
He'll just evolve until he does fit in ;)

[HomerGator]

STILL no talk about the latest chapter of Messiah Complex?

All right, I'll start it off, then. I really liked this issue from beginning to end. No big spoilers, but the fight at the beginning was cool, there was quite the interesting discovery by Layla and Jamie in the future, the baby changes hands again, and the X-Men are convinced one guy from the future is a traitor, while they really should be looking at the other guy from the future. Also, a really cool final sequence that has me very excited to read X-Factor next week.

This was also Billy Tan's best issue of Uncanny X-Men to date, IMO.

[GrandMaster Funk]

It was a pretty fun issue although I wish a bit more had happened. From the teasers next week it seems Gambit betrays the Mauders. I'm betting he has been working with Cable this whole time.


Also anyone hear the rumors about the new Cable ongoing? If that's the direction they're going I'm looking forward to it.

[HomerGator]

It was a pretty fun issue although I wish a bit more had happened. From the teasers next week it seems Gambit betrays the Mauders. I'm betting he has been working with Cable this whole time.


Also anyone hear the rumors about the new Cable ongoing? If that's the direction they're going I'm looking forward to it.

What rumors? Enlighten, please.

[GrandMaster Funk]

What rumors? Enlighten, please.

There's been some rumblings that the series will follow Cable traveling to different time periods with the baby on the run from Bishop.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

There's been some rumblings that the series will follow Cable traveling to different time periods with the baby on the run from Bishop.

Eeeenteresting.

[HomerGator]

There's been some rumblings that the series will follow Cable traveling to different time periods with the baby on the run from Bishop.

Man, that would be fucking cool.

[NickT]

There's been some rumblings that the series will follow Cable traveling to different time periods with the baby on the run from Bishop.
That'd be cool, especially if They don't make Bishop a bad guy.

[Eric Williams]

X-Factor #27 tomorrow! :boogie:
"The death of an X-Man reveals answers to some of the mysteries surrounding the new mutant, and creates a host of questions. The baby falls into the hands of a major player in the conflict, but things aren't always as they seem. And it's high noon for X-Force, the Marauders and the X-Men."

I'm getting this feeling that the baby is somehow tied to Scott or Jean/Madelyne Prior, given the Sinister involvement and birth in Alaska. If it hadn't been designated as female, I might have proposed it to be Nate Grey.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I'm still of the feeling that the baby is

a reborn Jean Grey. Red hair, green eyes, can block cerebra. It's gotta be her

[The Roman]

Finally Found a new avatar for me. *gloating* And how is everyone liking MEssiah Complex? I was enjoying right until They made Bishop a "bad" guy, I'm not liking Bishop's role in this so far. :( He's always been a fave of mine.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Who says he's really a bad guy?

He obviously feels this new baby is Senator Robert Kelly part deux and killing it will prevent global catastrophe.

If he was truly bad he would have killed Forge outright.

[Eric Williams]

Yeah, I'm still of the feeling that the baby is

a reborn Jean Grey. Red hair, green eyes, can block cerebra. It's gotta be her
Yeah, it's probable - I kind of hope it's not the case though. I don't really feel that her character can be taken to any new places, and I honestly haven't minded the X-books without her.

[HomerGator]

Yeah, I'm still of the feeling that the baby is

a reborn Jean Grey. Red hair, green eyes, can block cerebra. It's gotta be her

That would be really weird.

Interesting, but weird.

[Fake Pat]

That would be really weird.

Interesting, but weird.

Haven't they flat out said that isn't the case?

Not that you can always believe Marvel, but still...

[HomerGator]

X-Factor this week: Holy shit! Mystique KILLED Sinister? Gambit's in on it? Grenade in Jamie's pocket! New tattoo for Jamie in the present! Professor X is terrifying when he wants to be! Predator X: grave robber! "X-Force, you know what to do."

Fucking awesome.

[ChuckMcButcalf]

X-Factor this week: Holy shit! Mystique KILLED Sinister? Gambit's in on it? Grenade in Jamie's pocket! New tattoo for Jamie in the present! Professor X is terrifying when he wants to be! Predator X: grave robber! "X-Force, you know what to do."

Fucking awesome.

I see Gambit being back on the X-Men (or whatever's left of it) after Messiah Complex. I'm an X fan now. Never have been, but damn. Great story.

[artimoff]

Yeah, I'm still of the feeling that the baby is

a reborn Jean Grey. Red hair, green eyes, can block cerebra. It's gotta be her

I think it's Jackpot.

[scouser]

Who cares about Sinister, Wolverine killed Lady Mastermind:mad: Mike Carey made her brilliant and I was hoping to see a lot of more of her post Messiah Complex. Carey was even talking about trying to do an origin story for her and explain why she and Martinique hate each other so much.

[Albert]

We don't know for sure that either Sinister OR Lady Mastermind are dead. This is comics.

[Ben]

We don't know for sure that either Sinister OR Lady Mastermind are dead. This is comics.Good point.

[Albert]

Good point.

Gambit was similarly stabbed by Wolverine earlier in MC, and he seems fine now.

[HomerGator]

She only got stabbed in the stomach. How many X-villains have survived that? Fifty?

[Ben]

Gambit was similarly stabbed by Wolverine earlier in MC, and he seems fine now.Have they said anything about Lady Deathstrike?

[Glixy]

Where Is The Other Madrox???

[HomerGator]

Where Is The Other Madrox???

I'm thinking the dupe with Layla went to Bishop's future, where the baby was supposedly responsible for the death of millions, and the other dupe went to the future wherein the baby saved millions (which might even be Cable's timeline, but I doubt as far up the timeline as Cable's from- does that make any sense?).

I doubt we'll see the other dupe until after Messiah CompleX.

[Glixy]

I'm thinking the dupe with Layla went to Bishop's future, where the baby was supposedly responsible for the death of millions, and the other dupe went to the future wherein the baby saved millions (which might even be Cable's timeline, but I doubt as far up the timeline as Cable's from- does that make any sense?).

I doubt we'll see the other dupe until after Messiah CompleX.

I feel strongly otherwise. Something about him is the big surprise...
He is the only piece of this thing that we don't have info about. They still need to save a big curveball for the end.

[HomerGator]

One can hope. It would be awesome if you were right, but with only two issues left, there seems to be a lot of ground left to cover. It's entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that Jamie's other dupe won't be seen until later.

[Albert]

Have they said anything about Lady Deathstrike?

Not that I know of.

[Glixy]

I thought he was pretty funny too. "It is a far better thing that I do now..."

Jamie was so happy to be rid of him, it was great.

Jamie is the BEST. The way ALL he wanted was to go get Layla... So loyal and awesome, I was so proud of him. Cyke is a huge dick. Seriously, in that scene he is a huge huge dick, but that means he is being written correctly, which is awesome...

[GrandMaster Funk]

Have they said anything about Lady Deathstrike?

I'm pretty sure in one of the CBR interviews they said she was killed.

Also suprised no one is talking about Layla Madrox.

Anyone else think that Gambit and Mystique aren't working alone?

[Magnum V.I.]

I am extremely disappointed that my vacation has made me 3 chapters behind. I want to read these now!

[Ben]

I thought he was pretty funny too. "It is a far better thing that I do now..."

Jamie was so happy to be rid of him, it was great.

Jamie is the BEST. The way ALL he wanted was to go get Layla... So loyal and awesome, I was so proud of him. Cyke is a huge dick. Seriously, in that scene he is a huge huge dick, but that means he is being written correctly, which is awesome...She's in the future. If they rescue her today or 2 years from now, it shouldn't make any difference from her perspective.

[Glixy]

I am extremely disappointed that my vacation has made me 3 chapters behind. I want to read these now!

My boss has a vag-tat of the 3 chapters. I'll send you a pic.

[Albert]

Yeah, I don't think Cyclops is a dick at all. He's not lovable or cuddly, but that's him. He's got a lot of stuff to deal with right now! Ben is right, Layla just wouldn't be as much of a priority for him as it would be for Madrox, especially given their respective situations (dealing with a million things in the present, being in the future).

Also, it would be a bummer if Lady Deathstrike is dead. I kind of think too many characters are dying in this storyline. That's probably my only complaint though, I think it's been badass.

[Glixy]

She's in the future. If they rescue her today or 2 years from now, it shouldn't make any difference from her perspective.

Yeah, but will they take into account the movement of the Earth?

[GrandMaster Funk]

Also, it would be a bummer if Lady Deathstrike is dead. I kind of think too many characters are dying in this storyline. That's probably my only complaint though, I think it's been badass.

It could've been a lot worse. So far it's only been Caliban, Peppers confirmed and probably Sinister(who's likely cloned himself), Lady Deathstrike, and Lady Mastermind. We'll probably see a couple others die, but I was expecting a lot more.

[MCD]

I really liked seeing Cable and Charles working together while discussing the attempts made on Charle's life by Stryfe in the early 90s

[Glixy]

It could've been a lot worse. So far it's only been Caliban, Peppers confirmed and probably Sinister(who's likely cloned himself), Lady Deathstrike, and Lady Mastermind. We'll probably see a couple others die, but I was expecting a lot more.

No. The dudes from the one shot are dead as hell as well

Roadblock and Prisim, maybe are their names?

[Joe Henderson]

A lot more happened this issue than I expected. Loved Sinister betrayed. A potentially great way to explain why Mystique, Sunfire and Gambit have turned to the darkside, depending on what the final explanation is.

[Magnum V.I.]

My boss has a vag-tat of the 3 chapters. I'll send you a pic.

:heart:

[HomerGator]

No. The dudes from the one shot are dead as hell as well

Roadblock and Prisim, maybe are their names?

Blockbuster and Prism.

But the Marauders have all pretty much been dead at one time or another, at this point. IIRC, Sinister has cloned all of them (except Sabretooth-who I think this story could have used).

[MabusRex]

So, anyone care to start a deathpool going for the next/last NXM issue?

We have:

Anole
Armor
David
Dust
Cuckoos
Elixir
Hellion
Indra
Loa
Match
Mercury
Nezhno
No Girl
Pixie
Rockslide
Surge
Trance
Wolf Cub

My theories (though I hope no one dies)

Anole - My favorite NXM member, so of course he'd have a target over his head. He has strictly physical powers which are generally useless against PX. He's been highlighted the past year as a new member, so he gets the "being made to care about them just to kill them off for dramatic attachment" thing, too. Plus, he's gay, so he gets the minority kill, too. 7/10

Armor - Unlikely. Barely featured in NXM at all and his strong ties to the main Astonishing cast. 2/10

David - Hmmm, depowered so shouldn't show as a threat to PX, but you never know. And the minority kill thing. 5/10

Dust - Hasn't really done much in NXM lately so not much loose ends to tie up. I'll give her 6/10

Cuckoos - Think they're ok, but you never know. Could just take out one of them without much effect, though. 3/10

Elixir - Taking out the healer would be a good strategy. Though he has quite alot of story potential. He might be a bit too powerful though. 7/10

Hellion - Already at deaths door, might push himself to die a heroic death. Plus it would motivate X23 to join X-Force. 8/10

Indra - Would be poetic since the last storyline assured his death for being the youngest. Not much in the way of character development. 8/10

Loa - She did just gain points for starting a relationship with Elixir. Though her powerset means she can take care of herself. 6/10

Match - 6/10

Mercury - 5/10

Nezhno - 8/10

No Girl - 1/10

Pixie - 3/10

Rockslide - 2/10

Surge - 9/10

Trance - 5/10

Wolf Cub - 7/10


Gotta run. I'll edit the post when I get back.

[The Roman]

Nice list. And I just read the latest one. Can't the bus victims rest in peace. :( I was quite shocked by what happened with the Marauders Is Sinister dead? Cause it sure looked that way.

[Vonn Hennigar]

He can't be dead.

He just can't!

That said, it was still a great scene and a brilliant curveball.

[The Roman]

Once again reiterating why Mystique is arguably the greatest X-Character of them all.

[GrandMaster Funk]

No. The dudes from the one shot are dead as hell as well

Roadblock and Prisim, maybe are their names?

Like HomerGator mentioned Sinister keeps on cloning the original Mauders. I think the only one that hasn't been cloned is Scalphunter.

So, anyone care to start a deathpool going for the next/last NXM issue?

We have:

Anole
Armor
David
Dust
Cuckoos
Elixir
Hellion
Indra
Loa
Match
Mercury
Nezhno
No Girl
Pixie
Rockslide
Surge
Trance
Wolf Cub

My theories (though I hope no one dies)

Anole - My favorite NXM member, so of course he'd have a target over his head. He has strictly physical powers which are generally useless against PX. He's been highlighted the past year as a new member, so he gets the "being made to care about them just to kill them off for dramatic attachment" thing, too. Plus, he's gay, so he gets the minority kill, too. 7/10

Armor - Unlikely. Barely featured in NXM at all and his strong ties to the main Astonishing cast. 2/10

David - Hmmm, depowered so shouldn't show as a threat to PX, but you never know. And the minority kill thing. 5/10

Dust - Hasn't really done much in NXM lately so not much loose ends to tie up. I'll give her 6/10

Cuckoos - Think they're ok, but you never know. Could just take out one of them without much effect, though. 3/10

Elixir - Taking out the healer would be a good strategy. Though he has quite alot of story potential. He might be a bit too powerful though. 7/10

Hellion - Already at deaths door, might push himself to die a heroic death. Plus it would motivate X23 to join X-Force. 8/10

Indra - Would be poetic since the last storyline assured his death for being the youngest. Not much in the way of character development. 8/10

Loa - She did just gain points for starting a relationship with Elixir. Though her powerset means she can take care of herself. 6/10

Match - 6/10

Mercury - 5/10

Nezhno - 8/10

No Girl - 1/10

Pixie - 3/10

Rockslide - 2/10

Surge - 9/10

Trance - 5/10

Wolf Cub - 7/10


Gotta run. I'll edit the post when I get back.

I'd say Nezhno is likely. Onyx too, Surge or Elixir. I don't think many will die. I wouldn't be suprised if there were no deaths.

Nice list. And I just read the latest one. Can't the bus victims rest in peace. :( I was quite shocked by what happened with the Marauders Is Sinister dead? Cause it sure looked that way.

Looks that way, but he's probably cloned himself.

[Glixy]

Once again reiterating why Mystique is arguably the greatest X-Character of them all.

She can take the shape of anybody you want while you are banging her. Of course she is the greatest X-character.

[The Roman]

Like HomerGator mentioned Sinister keeps on cloning the original Mauders. I think the only one that hasn't been cloned is Scalphunter.



I'd say Nezhno is likely. Onyx too, Surge or Elixir. I don't think many will die. I wouldn't be suprised if there were no deaths.



Looks that way, but he's probably cloned himself.

Darn, a definitive death would be awesome. But alas . . .

[The Roman]

Who elseis really enjoying this? It's not perfect, but all in all it's a very good event. And I look forward to where this leads the X-Men. Even if it mean New X-Men ends. :(

[GrandMaster Funk]

Who elseis really enjoying this? It's not perfect, but all in all it's a very good event. And I look forward to where this leads the X-Men. Even if it mean New X-Men ends. :(

That last issue was fantastic. Layla FUCKING Madrox. Can't wait to see how Mystique and Gambit pulled it off.

[The Roman]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(

[Vonn Hennigar]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(

Where did you read that nonsense?

Marvel is retarded when it comes to their endless re-launches and adding fucking NEW to everything but their not that stupid...are they? :scared:

[GrandMaster Funk]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(

That hasn't been announced, I doubt they'd do end it.

Bishop obviously isn't doing it for selfish reasons, he's trying to save the future.

[The Roman]

That hasn't been announced, I doubt they'd do end it.

Bishop obviously isn't doing it for selfish reasons, he's trying to save the future.

I'm not saying that they aren't going to relaunch it immediately after. :)

[GrandMaster Funk]

I'm not saying that they aren't going to relaunch it immediately after. :)

Sure, but remember like a month ago when there was a lot of people pissed off because there were rumors X-Men was going to be relaunched? Imagine that times a hundred.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(

What? No fucking way. That would be insanely retarded

[Magnum V.I.]

Sure, but remember like a month ago when there was a lot of people pissed off because there were rumors X-Men was going to be relaunched? Imagine that times a hundred.

It is. As X-Men Legacy.

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

It is. As X-Men Legacy.

There's no relaunch, though. Just a retitling. And the rumor is that after a number of issues (12, maybe?) the title will return to adjectiveless X-Men.

[NickT]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(
Oh, well if the internet says it is happening ;)



I'd be more worried that they will turn Uncanny into a book shipping like ASM.

[Magnum V.I.]

There's no relaunch, though. Just a retitling. And the rumor is that after a number of issues (12, maybe?) the title will return to adjectiveless X-Men.

You shut your face! :mad:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

You shut your face! :mad:

Nevah!

[Magnum V.I.]

Nevah!

I will eat you! :mad:

[Master Jack Rabbitt]

I will eat you! :mad:

:scared:

[The Roman]

Predator X?! I Knew it!!!!

[HomerGator]

Of course Bishop better not turn out to be a true bad guy, I'll be ever so pissed. :( And I read online that Uncanny X-Men is ending at #500. A legacy will end :(

I really really really doubt they'll cancel Uncanny X-Men, even if they were going to relaunch it witha new number 1. Uncanny is the flagship X-Men book, and arguably one of the four or five flagship books Marvel has, period.

[Fake Pat]

Spoilers for this week's New X-Men can be found at Newsarama.

Holy balls. If you thought the last issue was brutal...yipes.

[Ben]

Why did Layla call herself Layla Madrox?

[HomerGator]

Why did Layla call herself Layla Madrox?

Earlier, in an issue of X-Factor, right after Jamie had slept with both Siryn AND M, Layla casually mentions that he won't end up with either of them, because she will end up being his wife down the line.

[Ben]

Earlier, in an issue of X-Factor, right after Jamie had slept with both Siryn AND M, Layla casually mentions that he won't end up with either of them, because she will end up being his wife down the line.But she's not married to him yet. Was that just her way of reminding him that she will survive because she eventually marries him?