The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Matt O.]

RAS is one of the best new mainstream writers of the decade.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

RAS is one of the best new mainstream writers of the decade.

You read the Nightcrawler series, then?

[billthomason]

So the consensus seems to be:

Check out New X-men starting with issue 20
Avoid Milligan's X-Men and the Mutant X series
Check out Careys X-men
Posisbly check out Brubaker's Uncanny.

That sound about right?

[Magnum V.I.]

So the consensus seems to be:

Check out New X-men starting with issue 20
Avoid Milligan's X-Men and the Mutant X series
Check out Careys X-men
Posisbly check out Brubaker's Uncanny.

That sound about right?

Yep.

Although if you want I can send you the New new Mutants series and the New X-Men Series leading up to Issue 20 if you'd like to check that out to see if you like it.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yep.

Although if you want I can send you the New new Mutants series and the New X-Men Series leading up to Issue 20 if you'd like to check that out to see if you like it.

Was the new New Mutants series any good? I missed most of that (though I do have a few of 'em). And I thought all of the New X-Men series has been good (not just since issue 20).

I'd say to pick up Bru's Uncanny, though. I thought it was good.

[HomerGator]

I think Yost is doing a great job on the book. Is he sticking around post Messiah Complex? Do we know? And do we know who the new artist is after Young leaves (:cry:)?

I don't know, but I hope so. I'm not so happy about them restructuring the line, cause I love it the way it is now! (But I'm still looking forward to seeing what CABLE and X-FORCE are about)

The artist for the New X-Men issues of Messiah Complex is Humberto Ramos :(

[HomerGator]

So the consensus seems to be:

Check out New X-men starting with issue 20
Avoid Milligan's X-Men and the Mutant X series
Check out Careys X-men
Posisbly check out Brubaker's Uncanny.

That sound about right?

I'd take the "Possibly" out of "possibly check out Brubaker's Uncanny".

It's been really good, IMO. Although I will admit this last arc felt a little bit like treading water, waiting for Messiah Complex (which is almost here! glee!).

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The artist for the New X-Men issues of Messiah Complex is Humberto Ramos :(

Boooo

[HomerGator]

Boooo

I know! It's New X-Men: Kyle/Yost/Ramos
X-Factor: David/Scott Eaton
Uncanny: Brubaker/Billy Tan
X-Men: Carey/Chris Bachalo

I like Tan, and Eaton's fine. I wish we could get someone other than Ramos and Bachalo. They're just don't fit my tastes.

I wouldn't mind seeing Clayton Henry (or still Skottie Young) on New X-Men and someone like.... like..... help me, someone, I can't think of anyone for X-Men!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Actually, I love Bachalo, but can't stand Ramos.

[Magnum V.I.]

Was the new New Mutants series any good? I missed most of that (though I do have a few of 'em). And I thought all of the New X-Men series has been good (not just since issue 20).

I'd say to pick up Bru's Uncanny, though. I thought it was good.

it was meh. But for like 30 bucks in an Ebay auction not bad.

[docr0ck88]

Actually, I love Bachalo, but can't stand Ramos.


agreed. Ramos ruined the most recent issues of X-men. Bachalo will finally be coming back this month as its saving grace.

[HomerGator]

agreed. Ramos ruined the most recent issues of X-men. Bachalo will finally be coming back this month as its saving grace.

I like Bachalo well enough (I really can't wait for his Amazing Spider-Man!) but I can't help feeling that if Carey had a 'traditional' super hero artist X-Men would be even better.

It's a testament to Carey's storytelling that I like X-Men so much, even though I'm not a fan of the art, necessarily.

Side note: is it just me, or was Bachalo's Generation X (especially Generation Next from AOA) better than his current work? Maybe I'm just remembering fondly, and need to go back and take a second look, but it feels like his older stuff was better. Clearer.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Side note: is it just me, or was Bachalo's Generation X (especially Generation Next from AOA) better than his current work? Maybe I'm just remembering fondly, and need to go back and take a second look, but it feels like his older stuff was better. Clearer.

You're not wrong. His stuff was much clearer back on GenX and GR2099. In the later 90s he turned to an even more cartoony style that he's stuck with since then.

[HomerGator]

You're not wrong. His stuff was much clearer back on GenX and GR2099. In the later 90s he turned to an even more cartoony style that he's stuck with since then.

I like some of what he's doing these days a whole lot. I remember one sequence in his Weapon Plus arc of New X-Men (the old New X-Men), when Weapon 15 is entering the Weapon Plus facility, and he used the layout of the building as the panel layout, with Weapon 15 navigating through the page.

I don't know if that makes sense or not, but the sequence in the issue was really cool. So was the face Wolverine made when he had just read his file, right before he blows up himself and Weapon 15, when he says something along the lines of "Sometimes you're just a fucked up killing machine."

But his Generation Next was sooooo good, I was really looking forward to his run with Carey. I've just been a bit disappointed. I wish Carey had Salvador Larocca...

[GrandMaster Funk]

So the consensus seems to be:

Check out New X-men starting with issue 20
Avoid Milligan's X-Men and the Mutant X series
Check out Careys X-men
Posisbly check out Brubaker's Uncanny.

That sound about right?

I'd say check out the issues prior to 20. Those were my favorites. But yeah, that's about right.

[NickT]

CBR has the X-title solicits. Deadpool is in Wolverine Origins :)

[silverboy]

Side note: is it just me, or was Bachalo's Generation X (especially Generation Next from AOA) better than his current work? Maybe I'm just remembering fondly, and need to go back and take a second look, but it feels like his older stuff was better. Clearer.

No doubt, the best work of his career.

[HomerGator]

No doubt, the best work of his career.

That's always weird to me when someone gets worse over time.

Of course, 'worse' is subjective, I'm sure there are people that love his current work.

[silverboy]

That's always weird to me when someone gets worse over time.

Of course, 'worse' is subjective, I'm sure there are people that love his current work.

I wouldn't say worse, I would say different is a less good way. His art is still fantastic.

But as for a career getting exponentially worse, look at Chris Claremont.

[HomerGator]

I wouldn't say worse, I would say different is a less good way. His art is still fantastic.

But as for a career getting exponentially worse, look at Chris Claremont.

I don't know if I, personally, would say Bachalo's work these days is fantastic. It's not bad, for sure. Sometimes it's still unbelievably hard for me to figure out just what the hell is going on.

I wouldn't say Claremont got worse, but irrelevant, for sure. He never adapted his writing style, and it shows when every book he writes feels like it was written twenty years ago (or more).

[billthomason]

I wouldn't say Claremont got worse, but irrelevant, for sure. He never adapted his writing style, and it shows when every book he writes feels like it was written twenty years ago (or more).

I dunno. I've read a good selection of his work. I've read issues from his early days in the X-men run, his first and last arc on the X-men volume 2 launch, and his newer stuff within the past few years. It has gone from pretty fabulous (late 70's and most of the 80's) to mediocre (90's), to pretty much unreadable (the present). His writing style has definitely changed. Because I can pick up issues from the early 80's I've never read before and love them. But not so with the new stuff.

[Foggy's Pal]

Which X book is getting the axe?

[HomerGator]

Which X book is getting the axe?

If I had to guess, I'd say it would be "X-Men". I don't see them getting rid of Uncanny, New X-Men features the new kids, and X-Factor is so different from the others.

I think CABLE will replace CABLE/DEADPOOL on the publishing schedule, and I think X-FORCE will replace X-MEN.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Frankly, I wouldn't miss X-Men or X-Factor. I think Jamie should be given his own solo book and the rest of X-Factor be rolled in with the X-Men survivors as a new team.

[HomerGator]

Frankly, I wouldn't miss X-Men or X-Factor. I think Jamie should be given his own solo book and the rest of X-Factor be rolled in with the X-Men survivors as a new team.

GAH! Don't even say that!

X-Factor HAS to stay! It's so awesome that if it went away I might have to punch a baby.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Which X book is getting the axe?

New Excalibur and Exiles are being relaunched with brand new number ones.

I wouldn't be suprised if Uncanny and X-Factor were the only x-books not to be relaunched.

[HomerGator]

New Excalibur and Exiles are being relaunched with brand new number ones.

I wouldn't be suprised if Uncanny and X-Factor were the only x-books not to be relaunched.

Do Excalibur and Exiles even count as X books?

Who is taking over Excalibur? I thought I remembered reading something about the guy from Dr. Who that wrote the Wisdom mini would be taking over... is that still happening?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Two questions about Paul Cornell's Wisdom mini:

1) Did anyone understand much of what was going on in that mini?

B) Did you find yourself enjoying the hell out of it anyways?

[HomerGator]

Two questions about Paul Cornell's Wisdom mini:

1) Did anyone understand much of what was going on in that mini?

B) Did you find yourself enjoying the hell out of it anyways?

I still haven't read it. I never really gave a shit about Pete Wisdom, or the versions of Excalibur he's been associated with.

Should I give it a shot? If so, why?

[GrandMaster Funk]

Do Excalibur and Exiles even count as X books?

Who is taking over Excalibur? I thought I remembered reading something about the guy from Dr. Who that wrote the Wisdom mini would be taking over... is that still happening?

Yup Paul Cornell is going to be writing the Excalibur relaunch. I'd consider the two x-books. I think the only reason Excalibur isn't in the crossover is because Claremont's wrapping up his story. Plus its entire cast has X-ties.

Exiles all the characters other than Spider-man 2099 have X-ties.

[HomerGator]

Yup Paul Cornell is going to be writing the Excalibur relaunch. I'd consider the two x-books. I think the only reason Excalibur isn't in the crossover is because Claremont's wrapping up his story. Plus its entire cast has X-ties.

Exiles all the characters other than Spider-man 2099 have X-ties.

I dunno, Exiles to me has always felt like it just didn't matter. I know it has a lot of fans, so it probably has something other than 'alternate reality x-men' to offer, but I just can't bring myself to care about it.

After reading three issues of the first Excalibur relaunch (on Genosha), I realized I hate everything Claremont writes now and as such never bothered with the last relaunch.

I still doubt I'll bother with this NEW relaunch.

[GrandMaster Funk]

I dunno, Exiles to me has always felt like it just didn't matter. I know it has a lot of fans, so it probably has something other than 'alternate reality x-men' to offer, but I just can't bring myself to care about it.

After reading three issues of the first Excalibur relaunch (on Genosha), I realized I hate everything Claremont writes now and as such never bothered with the last relaunch.

I still doubt I'll bother with this NEW relaunch.

I thought the Genosha series was Claremont's best work in the 2000s. Which isn't saying much, but it got interesting once Pietro, Dark Beast, and Angel showed up. It felt like it was going somewhere until House of M changed it all.

[NickT]

I dunno, Exiles to me has always felt like it just didn't matter. I know it has a lot of fans, so it probably has something other than 'alternate reality x-men' to offer, but I just can't bring myself to care about it.

After reading three issues of the first Excalibur relaunch (on Genosha), I realized I hate everything Claremont writes now and as such never bothered with the last relaunch.

I still doubt I'll bother with this NEW relaunch.
I think Exiles is a good place for Claremont, it sees to suit his style. I'd like to see him do things outside of the X-Men for a while too. I think that might be part of the "problem" with his recent work, that he references the same things quite a lot.

[HomerGator]

I thought the Genosha series was Claremont's best work in the 2000s. Which isn't saying much, but it got interesting once Pietro, Dark Beast, and Angel showed up. It felt like it was going somewhere until House of M changed it all.

I thought about getting the issue when Angel showed up, and I do like Dark Beast (for some reason). Quicksilver was there?

They never should have stripped his powers... :(

He'd be such a great villain!

[GrandMaster Funk]

I thought about getting the issue when Angel showed up, and I do like Dark Beast (for some reason). Quicksilver was there?

They never should have stripped his powers... :(

He'd be such a great villain!

Yeah Quicksilver took Wanda to Genosha after Disassembled. I don't think he played a major role until the last few issues of the series.

He's a great villain without powers.

[HomerGator]

Yeah Quicksilver took Wanda to Genosha after Disassembled. I don't think he played a major role until the last few issues of the series.

He's a great villain without powers.

True, he's a great villain regardless, but I think WITH his powers he'd be so much more of a threat...

[billthomason]

If they are going to relaunch X-Force, I hope its at least good this time.

Is Carey leaving the X-universe?

[NickT]

Is Carey leaving the X-universe?
I think he said about doing another book that he pitched.

ALso, from the Jim McCann sticky:

3. When is juggernaut slated to make a reappearance is his newly powered form?

3. The X-Men have their hands full with the Maurauders, Purifiers, and a few more surprises over the next few months. But look for Mike Cary to use him in early 2008. That's all I'm saying.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

If they are going to relaunch X-Force, I hope its at least good this time.

Is Carey leaving the X-universe?

No, he's sticking around. Though, it's uncertain which book he'll be on once the dust settles.

[GrandMaster Funk]

If they are going to relaunch X-Force, I hope its at least good this time.

Is Carey leaving the X-universe?

He hinted that he's pitched a maxiseries for an x-character that's never had a solo book.

[billthomason]

He hinted that he's pitched a maxiseries for an x-character that's never had a solo book.

.... hmmmm.

Cyclops could be fun.

[Eric Williams]

.... hmmmm.

Cyclops could be fun.
Cyke already had a 4-issue mini-series written by Brian K. Vaughan. Fairly missable, but still there.

[NickT]

Cyke already had a 4-issue mini-series written by Brian K. Vaughan. Fairly missable, but still there.
Yes, but this ignores the possiblities that:

1 - Carey doesn't know of it.

2 - Carey meant ongoings.



Also IIRC, it's a character who has been around since near the start. Xavier, Cyclops, Beast and Iceman all have logical points to them being the one Carey picked.

[GrandMaster Funk]

My beat would be on either Iceman and Cyclops. Both have had minis, but it a lot of interviews Carey's mentioned those two as being favorites.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yes, but this ignores the possiblities that:

1 - Carey doesn't know of it.

2 - Carey meant ongoings.



Also IIRC, it's a character who has been around since near the start. Xavier, Cyclops, Beast and Iceman all have logical points to them being the one Carey picked.

please be Beast. *crosses fingers*

[NickT]

My beat would be on either Iceman and Cyclops. Both have had minis, but it a lot of interviews Carey's mentioned those two as being favorites.
Beast is IIRC his favourite, and he is doing a oneshot with him.

[Lanowar]

Do Excalibur and Exiles even count as X books?

Who is taking over Excalibur? I thought I remembered reading something about the guy from Dr. Who that wrote the Wisdom mini would be taking over... is that still happening?

To be hones no they should'nt. Exiles was great but it got better when non mutants started joining the team and instead of it being a X-men book it was more a Marvel Universe title and giving the book to Claremont was a stupid mood that dragged it back to the X-title status. When I first heard it was happening I dreaded the fact he'll try and use Jim Jaspers and The Fury again and guess what happened in Draw The Sword.

Excalibur should become the British Avengers not the British X-men, Cornwall established a team in Wisdom that were funny and witty add some of the more known British figures like Union Jack to round it off, throw in the token Yank unable to cope with the culture change and you got yourself a book.

Claremont's been awful on both books to be honest and the fact Sage is in the new Exiles line up made me actually swear at a solict, which I've never done before.

[NickT]

Claremont's been awful on both books to be honest and the fact Sage is in the new Exiles line up made me actually swear at a solict, which I've never done before.
He must be coming up to a decade where he has written books featuring her every year. pre-X-Treme, X-Treme, Uncanny, New Excalibur, New Exiles......that's quite impressive.

[billthomason]

I think Cyclops should get his own series if anyone. He's a great character when he has some dark side to him and isn't castrated. Morrison and Whedon have both done wonders with him.

[WAKKAJAWAKKA]

I think Cyclops should get his own series if anyone. He's a great character when he has some dark side to him and isn't castrated. Morrison and Whedon have both done wonders with him.

I Don't Know How He Hasn't Had One Yet.

Wayno.

[NickT]

Just to expand on something I said above, since I went off to factcheck :)


http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=1600
. I’m retelling the origin of the Beast – one of my favourite X-Men – for the Mythos series.

Also possible for the series would be this:
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006180
THE PULSE: Are you back on track now with your art assignments for Marvel? What are you currently working on?

HAIRSINE: I'm getting back onto the swing of things again. I've finished the Wisdom covers and I'm working on a Colossus one-off written by Chris Yost. S'good stuff.

THE PULSE: I know it's a long time before your story will see the light of day in comic shops, but what's the gist of this story?

HAIRSINE: Pete's origin. His backstory. There's helicopters (I like helicopters).

And this:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2600
A LA MODELS

[Green Light]We ran a story on this a while back, but there a couple of new details.

Mike Mayhew is using LA Craig's List to find models for a comic book series featuring the original X-Men.

The requirements?

"Professor X - must be bald and have a suit.

"Young Jean Grey - teen female with long hair a great face and a toned, athletic body

"Young Angel - 5'11, 175lbs, good looks blonde hair

"Young Beast - big apelike guy.

"Cyclops - 5'10'170 good looks, clean cut, brown hair.

"I'm also looking to cast Jean Grey's parents (Dad has moustache), her 16 year old sister, and a young friend of Jean's (any type)."


(Why I remember these things I don't know :) )

[Magnum V.I.]

I Don't Know How He Hasn't Had One Yet.

Wayno.

he has. At least a few mini series.

[Lanowar]

He must be coming up to a decade where he has written books featuring her every year. pre-X-Treme, X-Treme, Uncanny, New Excalibur, New Exiles......that's quite impressive.

I don't claim to know the general view of Sage, is she liked or disliked by the fans?

[GrandMaster Funk]

I don't claim to know the general view of Sage, is she liked or disliked by the fans?

I think she's disliked by a lot of fans (at least the internet ones) because Claremont seems to insert her into almost every book he writes.

EDIT: Also were did you get that awesome avatar?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I hate Sage with a passion that knows very little bounds and those kittle bounds have an ugly white picket fence on it. nEw eXiles having her as well as Psylocke and variations on Kitty, Mystique, and Rogue saves me a few bucks every month...

and does the Amazing Adventures series disqualify the Beast as a potential recipient of the new ongoing? Anywho, I thought I read somewhere Carey would be writing a new Cable series...

[HomerGator]

This just in: Vulcan is still a badass.

Question: wasn't New X-Men supposed to come out Wednesday?

[Lanowar]

I think she's disliked by a lot of fans (at least the internet ones) because Claremont seems to insert her into almost every book he writes.

EDIT: Also were did you get that awesome avatar?

I found it on newsarama topic about Deadpool and just yoinked it really!

[scouser]

CBR has lettered previews of Carey and Choi's X Men 204
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12149
Looks very sexy and Lady Mastermind is so fucking great, I really hope there is more of her and bitchiness after Messiah Complex.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I don't claim to know the general view of Sage, is she liked or disliked by the fans?

Disliked.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

and does the Amazing Adventures series disqualify the Beast as a potential recipient of the new ongoing? Anywho, I thought I read somewhere Carey would be writing a new Cable series...

I wouldn't consider that to be an ongoing title of his. The first ten issues or so were just about Killraven, I think. And then there was about eight-ten (?) issues featuring Beast.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Question: wasn't New X-Men supposed to come out Wednesday?

I don't think so. This was the endangered-species absent week of the month.

[Kefky]

Just thought I'd bump this 'cause this week's x-position is pretty damn interesting... PAD's the one answering the questions, and he even answers something that wasn't really clear in the last issue of x-factor:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12151

I'm kinda pissed that he wants to keep Layla a mystery, but oh well.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I wouldn't consider that to be an ongoing title of his. The first ten issues or so were just about Killraven, I think. And then there was about eight-ten (?) issues featuring Beast.

The series was meant as an ongoing so I would think it does count as an ongoing. Do the Irredeemable Ant-Man or Thing series being cancelled mean that they are minis? I know it's semantics but that just means I love it more...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The series was meant as an ongoing so I would think it does count as an ongoing. Do the Irredeemable Ant-Man or Thing series being cancelled mean that they are minis? I know it's semantics but that just means I love it more...

But was it meant to be an ongoing for Beast? Wasn't there another feature character in the series after Beast?

[HomerGator]

I don't think so. This was the endangered-species absent week of the month.

So... Messiah Complex one-shot is supposed to come out on Halloween... do we think we'll be getting New X-Men AND X-Men this coming Wednesday?

[Hellboy Jr.]

New Excalibur and Exiles are being relaunched with brand new number ones.

I wouldn't be suprised if Uncanny and X-Factor were the only x-books not to be relaunched.

Will Claremont be working on them? If so, count me out. If not, I'll check them out.

[billthomason]

What they really should do, is keep X-Factor, condense X-Men and Uncanny back into one old X-Men book, and then keep a young mutants group like New X-men going.

[Fizz]

So... Messiah Complex one-shot is supposed to come out on Halloween... do we think we'll be getting New X-Men AND X-Men this coming Wednesday?

According to Marvel's website, X-Men comes out next week and New X-Men and Messiah Complex come out on Halloween. However, the cover to X-Men 204 says that it has Endangered Species chapters 16 AND 17.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/19/xmen204c.htm

It's kinda weird that they made this last minute change without any sort of announcement. I'm not complaining though. Two chapters in one issue at no extra cost and Messiah Complex doesn't get delayed. Sounds good to me.

[Supajoe]

What they really should do, is keep X-Factor, condense X-Men and Uncanny back into one old X-Men book, and then keep a young mutants group like New X-men going.

that would be good. if they'd get rid of brubaker and just let carey handle the title.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So... Messiah Complex one-shot is supposed to come out on Halloween... do we think we'll be getting New X-Men AND X-Men this coming Wednesday?

oh.... i don't know...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

According to Marvel's website, X-Men comes out next week and New X-Men and Messiah Complex come out on Halloween. However, the cover to X-Men 204 says that it has Endangered Species chapters 16 AND 17.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/19/xmen204c.htm

It's kinda weird that they made this last minute change without any sort of announcement. I'm not complaining though. Two chapters in one issue at no extra cost and Messiah Complex doesn't get delayed. Sounds good to me.

oh, wow, that's weird. Good to know, though.

[Matt O.]

The last X-Factor arc was good but not great. I absolutely loved those last two pages, though.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The last X-Factor arc was good but not great. I absolutely loved those last two pages, though.

I thought the arc was good, but fell apart a bit with the concluding chapter.

[HomerGator]

According to Marvel's website, X-Men comes out next week and New X-Men and Messiah Complex come out on Halloween. However, the cover to X-Men 204 says that it has Endangered Species chapters 16 AND 17.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0710/19/xmen204c.htm

It's kinda weird that they made this last minute change without any sort of announcement. I'm not complaining though. Two chapters in one issue at no extra cost and Messiah Complex doesn't get delayed. Sounds good to me.

Hells yeah. Works for me!

I seriously can't wait for Messiah Complex, though. I honestly can't remember the last time I've looked forward to something in the X-universe more (other than maybe Astonishing, when it was first announced).

[HomerGator]

I thought the arc was good, but fell apart a bit with the concluding chapter.

I agree. I do like Huber, though. Do we call him the Isolationist? I hope not.

So, here's a question: will X-Factor get another 'muscle' guy to replace Guido if he does, indeed, leave X-Factor Investigations to become the new sheriff of Mutant Town?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Would being sherriff necessarily take away from his current role in the book?

[HomerGator]

Would being sherriff necessarily take away from his current role in the book?

I'm not sure, really. He did say he was resigning in the last issue, though, so it looks like he at least suspects it will.

[GrandMaster Funk]

I thought the arc was good, but fell apart a bit with the concluding chapter.

Pretty much my thoughts. I felt like there were some missing answers from the last issue.

Would being sherriff necessarily take away from his current role in the book?

I don't think so. Even if he's not on the team, he'd still be around because he's sheriff.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

With the title, Guido should officially resign. That takes care of the appearance of conflict of interest but he'll probably interact with the others in the same way and for the same reasons. 'Course this is PAD so there'll probably be some ethical or moral dilemna coming out of left field that grows organically and also brings teh funny. Just saying.

[iGotKittyPryde]

So, apparently there is a 20 dollar hardcover version of "God Loves, Man Kills" coming out this Wednesday.

This is, quite possibly, my favorite X-Men story, and yet I'm not sure I can get behind buying it for that much.

Anyone planning on picking it up? And what does everyone else think of it?

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'd be afraid to buy it. The story looms large in my memory and is the iconic work of fiction that gives me Claremont love to this day despite what drek he's been producing for eXiles and New Excalibur. What if I buy it, reread it, and then don't like it so much? Don't want to kill yet another piece of my childhood voluntarily...

[iGotKittyPryde]

I'd be afraid to buy it. The story looms large in my memory and is the iconic work of fiction that gives me Claremont love to this day despite what drek he's been producing for eXiles and New Excalibur. What if I buy it, reread it, and then don't like it so much? Don't want to kill yet another piece of my childhood voluntarily...

I only read it for the first time fairly recently (over a year ago, but still) and it was really good. A lot of the Claremont X-Men stuff doesn't quite work, at least in the dialogue and such. The story is good, but in a lot of cases I know the story going in, so I'm in it for the execution and the execution often seems a bit off, even in the classics.

But GLMK is one of the two Claremont X-Men stories I really think works 100% (the other being, well Wolverine/Kitty Pryde, but Days of Futures Past works OK too) even in retrospect.

[Kefky]

Is it the special edition premiere HC? If so, I'll definitely be buying it. Marvel's been doing a great job with those, and GLMK is the most important x-men story there is for me. It should be called "the x-men in a nutshell".

[iGotKittyPryde]

Is it the special edition premiere HC? If so, I'll definitely be buying it. Marvel's been doing a great job with those, and GLMK is the most important x-men story there is for me. It should be called "the x-men in a nutshell".

I don't know much about it other than it's coming out.

But yeah, it's really the summing up of the X-Men, for me.

[iGotKittyPryde]

The marvel site doesn't list any special features but it's outfitted to look like the recent Wolverine original mini, Miller Daredevil and Avengers/Defenders hardcovers

[GrandMaster Funk]

Judging from what info Amazon has it doesn't look like the hardcover has much (if any) extras.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Judging from what info Amazon has it doesn't look like the hardcover has much (if any) extras.

Which is a shame. I bet they at least reprint Claremont's essay on it from the X-Treme X-Men trade. But, I mean, I really think it's one of those stories that deserves much better. Why it's not thought of as equal to the Phoenix and Days of Future Past stories is odd to me, because it just works, as a distilation of the theme and everything that works for the franchise and for Claremont as the writer of it. It should be a touchstone, that everyone points to but it's really on the 2nd tier of books people point to as great X-Men stories. I think it's arguably the best.

[Kefky]

Eh, never mind, then. The premiere HC should be coming out later in the year, though. Like maybe december or january.

[HomerGator]

Twenty bucks? They released it right before X2 came out in theatres, as just an oversized comic, for five bucks!

[HomerGator]

So, thoughts on the newest X-Men?

[HomerGator]

So, thoughts on the newest X-Men?

Well, me, since nobody else is interested in talking about it, I will.

I liked it a lot. I think Mike Choi has great potential, although I wasn't crazy about his Cannonball, Iceman, or Sinister.

I'm glad Sam's brain wasn't completely wiped. I liked seeing Scott FINALLY get a chance to react to a major death in his life (Jean dead? I'll make out on her grave! Father dead? I'll sulk in shadows six months later and hug a cat lady!).

Still looking forward to Messiah Complex like a mother fucker! Also, I read the new New X-Men preview copy at my LCS (the one coming out Wed), and it's awesome! Maybe my favorite issue of Yost/Kyle's run so far!

[Raphael J]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/x-men-messiah-complex-one-shot-2007.jpg

I'm psyched about Bianchi's cover work.

And the X-books have been on fire lately. I've really enjoyed all of them and can't wait to see what comes next.

[HomerGator]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Helmhammerhand/x-men-messiah-complex-one-shot-2007.jpg

I'm psyched about Bianchi's cover work.

And the X-books have been on fire lately. I've really enjoyed all of them and can't wait to see what comes next.

WOW! That's fucking awesome!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Anyone else read the Wizard thing with the writers of X-Force?

[HomerGator]

No....

[Vonn Hennigar]

Just read the latest issues of Uncanny,X-Factor and X-Men back to back to back.

Thoughts.

Uncanny X-Men - A solid conclusion to the arc and i enjoyed the artwork quite a bit. Nice to see SOME Cyclops/Corsair follow-up (As sparce as it was) and Magneto getting his hands on the Qwerty diaries is interesting. 7/10

X-Factor - Damn. Talk about a rushed ending.Still overall pretty good stuff and the Isolationist is a rock solid new foil. 7/10

X-Men - Mike Choi is incredible! His stuff just leaps off the page here. A great conclusion to the arc and really primed me for Messiah Complex. Also thank god Cannonball's fine. Plus Cyclops mourning Cable's death was nicely handled as was the Gambit/Rogue relationship. I still think Cable's "death" will go down as the worst EVER and i fail to see why they felt it was necessary but overall an excellent arc all around. I will be most upset if this book gets the axe. Mike Carey is really making the X-Men FEEL like the X-Men again. 8/10

Endangered Species meanwhile. Phewee that fell apart quick. A few weeks ago we had that great scene with Dark Beast and the Guthries, then it devolved into Dr.Strange wackiness and the most forced/incoherent confrontation with the Scarlet Witch that could be imagined. In the end i just shrugged my shoulders and thought " What was the point of all that exactly" Ah well can't complain about a basically free story but still, that ending was the pits.

[HomerGator]

Wizard revealed who the writer(s) of X-Force is (are)?

[MabusRex]

Yup.
Kyle and Yost of New X-Men fame.

I'm psyched. :)

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Yup.
Kyle and Yost of New X-Men fame.

I'm psyched. :)

I want to know how this affects New X-Men. I frankly don't give a shit about this X-Force but I'm admittedly biased by not caring for the line up. Can they do two series? I know the X-23 mini and Emperor Vulcan mini have run concurrently but did they take eight months to write six issues? I would much rather have them on New X-Men than anywhere else.

[MabusRex]

I want to know how this affects New X-Men. I frankly don't give a shit about this X-Force but I'm admittedly biased by not caring for the line up. Can they do two series? I know the X-23 mini and Emperor Vulcan mini have run concurrently but did they take eight months to write six issues? I would much rather have them on New X-Men than anywhere else.

I'm in the same boat except for the not giving a shit about X-Force. It has potential.

Oh, and for anyone interested, looks like the line-up to CC's NEW EXILES has been leaked.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wizarduniverse_1973_309731319.jpg
Cat (Alternate Shadowcat)
Mystiq (Male Mystique)
Rogue ( Alternate Rogue)
Sage (Compatible with Windows XP)
Psylocke (616er)
Sabretooth (AoA)
Morph

Me? I'm passing...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Ditto. Do they even edit Claremont anymore?

[scouser]

I have never had an opinion on Claremont until he came on to Exiles. Now I shall hate him forever! He has taken one of my favourite series and completely destroyed it. Forcing all his pets into the series including the hated Sage and old versions of characters that his senile brain can remember (Rogue, Kitty Pryde) and booting out the old members or totally mis-characterizing them! Thunderbird thinks he is some sort of love machine, Heather Hudson got drunk and wrecked the base? He can't write Morph at all. All the modern pop culture references that other writers used are replaced with him making silly shapes out of his body removing all the humour from the character. Blink has been totally side lined to make way form that bitch Psylocke, but Iam glad she is out of the book and away from Claremont. Issue 100 is the last for me and I will get the special in January because Claremont is not writing it and remember the good times before he came along and ruined the book.

[HomerGator]

Yup.
Kyle and Yost of New X-Men fame.

I'm psyched. :)

That should be awesome, but if it means they're off New X-Men I'll be a sad panda :(

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm in the same boat except for the not giving a shit about X-Force. It has potential.

Oh, and for anyone interested, looks like the line-up to CC's NEW EXILES has been leaked.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wizarduniverse_1973_309731319.jpg
Cat (Alternate Shadowcat)
Mystiq (Male Mystique)
Rogue ( Alternate Rogue)
Sage (Compatible with Windows XP)
Psylocke (616er)
Sabretooth (AoA)
Morph

Me? I'm passing...

I am also passing on New Exiles

[The Jack Rabbitt]

That should be awesome, but if it means they're off New X-Men I'll be a sad panda :(

I'm hoping that they do both.

[Supajoe]

I have never had an opinion on Claremont until he came on to Exiles. Now I shall hate him forever! He has taken one of my favourite series and completely destroyed it. Forcing all his pets into the series including the hated Sage and old versions of characters that his senile brain can remember (Rogue, Kitty Pryde) and booting out the old members or totally mis-characterizing them! Thunderbird thinks he is some sort of love machine, Heather Hudson got drunk and wrecked the base? He can't write Morph at all. All the modern pop culture references that other writers used are replaced with him making silly shapes out of his body removing all the humour from the character. Blink has been totally side lined to make way form that bitch Psylocke, but Iam glad she is out of the book and away from Claremont. Issue 100 is the last for me and I will get the special in January because Claremont is not writing it and remember the good times before he came along and ruined the book.

wow. you really take your comic books seriously.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

wow. you really take your comic books seriously.

Hey, we all have our sacred cow comics. Mine used to be Legion until the umpteenth screwing with. Now I think I'd get that kind of rage for Blue Beetle...

[HomerGator]

I'm hoping that they do both.

That would be fine with me.

I was hoping Cris Gage was going to get X-Force...

[Foggy's Pal]

Did I miss something? I thought both X-Men and New X were done post messiah- they were being changed to X Force and some Charles book.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Did I miss something? I thought both X-Men and New X were done post messiah- they were being changed to X Force and some Charles book.

Rumors keep abounding that X-Men is cancelled, but I really really hope that it isn't. Imo, it would be fucking retarded to cancel it.
I haven't heard anything about New X-men post-Messiah CompleX

[Foggy's Pal]

Rumors keep abounding that X-Men is cancelled, but I really really hope that it isn't. Imo, it would be fucking retarded to cancel it.
I haven't heard anything about New X-men post-Messiah CompleX

I don't read New X- men until November... from what people say, it seems to be the most different. It would be a shame to cancel it.

[NickT]

I'm in the same boat except for the not giving a shit about X-Force. It has potential.

Oh, and for anyone interested, looks like the line-up to CC's NEW EXILES has been leaked.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wizarduniverse_1973_309731319.jpg
Cat (Alternate Shadowcat)
Mystiq (Male Mystique)
Rogue ( Alternate Rogue)
Sage (Compatible with Windows XP)
Psylocke (616er)
Sabretooth (AoA)
Morph

Me? I'm passing...
Dissapointed that Psylocke isn't over at Excalibur.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Rumors keep abounding that X-Men is cancelled, but I really really hope that it isn't. Imo, it would be fucking retarded to cancel it.
I haven't heard anything about New X-men post-Messiah CompleX

I'm pretty sure Jim McCan said in the stickied thread that X-men would be changed, but not canceled. Which makes me think it'll no longer adjectiveless.

[Foggy's Pal]

Rumors keep abounding that X-Men is cancelled, but I really really hope that it isn't. Imo, it would be fucking retarded to cancel it.
I haven't heard anything about New X-men post-Messiah CompleX

Oh yeah, I remembered what made me think that. The Yosts are working on another X book post Messiah. Maybe someone else will be taking over New X.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm pretty sure Jim McCan said in the stickied thread that X-men would be changed, but not canceled. Which makes me think it'll no longer adjectiveless.

I'm fine with a name change. A renumbering on the other hand would annoy the piss out of me.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh yeah, I remembered what made me think that. The Yosts are working on another X book post Messiah. Maybe someone else will be taking over New X.

Yost and Kyle are on the new X-Force book, though I hope they stick around on NXM, too.

[Foggy's Pal]

Yost and Kyle are on the new X-Force book, though I hope they stick around on NXM, too.

Thank you, my friend.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Thank you, my friend.

:thumb:


and just by coincidence, I just found this interview by Yost/Kyle on the new X-Force: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006216120.cfm?page=1

[Foggy's Pal]

:thumb:


and just by coincidence, I just found this interview by Yost/Kyle on the new X-Force: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006216120.cfm?page=1

Thanks for the article. Looks good.
Honestly, I will give any of the new X books or teams a try; I'm most happy, though, that they probably won't mess with X Factor. It is perfect the way it is. I do hope that Darwin finds a place somewhere. He has so much potential.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Thanks for the article. Looks good.
Honestly, I will give any of the new X books or teams a try; I'm most happy, though, that they probably won't mess with X Factor. It is perfect the way it is. I do hope that Darwin finds a place somewhere. He has so much potential.

If only he had claws...

[Foggy's Pal]

If only he had claws...

He could adapt them. *calls Yost with brilliant idea*

[The Jack Rabbitt]

He could adapt them. *calls Yost with brilliant idea*

:thumb:

[HomerGator]

Thanks for the article. Looks good.
Honestly, I will give any of the new X books or teams a try; I'm most happy, though, that they probably won't mess with X Factor. It is perfect the way it is. I do hope that Darwin finds a place somewhere. He has so much potential.

I fully expect Ed Brubaker to give Darwin a little time in the spotlight in these next few issues. If he doesn't, I bet Mike Carey puts him somewhere. Darwin seems like a character tailor-made for Carey's writing style.

[Kefky]

Guys, if decimation had never happened, and all the creative teams we have now had started with the "original" reload, running with Morrison's status quo, do you thinks would be better or worse these days?

Just something that popped in my head. :)

[NickT]

Guys, if decimation had never happened, and all the creative teams we have now had started with the "original" reload, running with Morrison's status quo, do you thinks would be better or worse these days?

Just something that popped in my head. :)
Honestly, impossible to tell for me. Depends what stories they would have done and the like. If I had to choose one I'd go for worse without Decimation. I'm not a Morrison hater, loved what he did, but I think that Decimation put some adreneline into the titles.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Why are those Mecha/Anime Sentinels still around?

They must be banished post haste.

Plus i hope they don't allow the O*N*E storyline with them on mansion grounds to just totally fall away without any conflict. If you want rid of them, then write them out goshdarnit.

[Kefky]

I don't see why any conflict is needed. They were only trying to help, anyway.

Have the entire group commit honorable sacrifice during messiah complex. That's the best way to give them a decent send-off.

[NickT]

I don't see why they need to kill them off. It's a team of people in giant robot suits, I say you keep them for when you want a story about giant robots.

[Kefky]

Btw, there's a good last minute interview about Messiah Complex with Axel Alonso and Nick Lowe at CBR:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12234

One thing that has been said about “Messiah CompleX” is that it will redefine the X-Men. Considering the number of times the X-Men have been redefined already (in previous crossovers and/or with different creators), what is it about your “redefinition” that will cover new ground?

AA: They will be organized differently. They will have new priorities. They will live differently.

This is all I needed to hear. All I want out of this crossover is a strong direction for the line again. I won't even mind if it's a crappy story if they manage that.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I think Darwin would be best under PAD over in X-Factor. His power screams for someone with an unusual imagination and that is PAD's hallmark. Look what he's done with Multiple Man's powers for example. He's probably losing Wolfsbane so why not Farwin as a replacement? Maybe there I might finally even remember what the character's real name is instead of just the code name.

[HomerGator]

I think Darwin would be best under PAD over in X-Factor. His power screams for someone with an unusual imagination and that is PAD's hallmark. Look what he's done with Multiple Man's powers for example. He's probably losing Wolfsbane so why not Farwin as a replacement? Maybe there I might finally even remember what the character's real name is instead of just the code name.

I share your confidence in Peter David, but I think Darwin needs to be at the mansion, for now. We've only seen him interact with a small handful of X-Men.

I'd like to see him in some real X-Men situations (things couldn't possibly get any worse? they just did! well, at least now they couldn't possibly... sentinels! ok, so this is definitely the worst that...). Then let him go off somewhere else and be awesome.

[HomerGator]

Really? Nobody's talking about Messiah Complex?

What did everyone think of the one-shot?

I really liked it. The art was great, there was some twisted shit going on, two of my least favorite Marauders are dead, we got another Predator X sighting, and I loved the group of X-Men (Angel, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, White Queen, Cyclops).

That would be an interesting lineup, considering Warren doesn't like Wolverine, and vice versa, and I know Warren isn't too thrilled about Scott and Emma (not that it will ever be adressed... I still can't see how Bobby and Warren wouldn't be all over Scott for everything. Alex, too).

I really can't wait for next week's Uncanny X-Men....

I also liked the new New X-Men (no suprises there). Prodigy is a badass!

[billthomason]

I really like how Silvestri has sorta come full circle. He's opening the Messiah Complex featuring Sinister, the first crossover Sinister has been featured in since Inferno, also penciled by Silvestri.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm still waiting for it to arrive. The wait is killing me!

[Jef UK]

I liked the one-shot. It definitely brought me on board for the cross-over. I liked seeing Cyke well in command, and I dug the tension built by having the X-Men one step behind the Maruaders.
Silvestri's art was okay. I'm not really a fan of his work anymore.

[GrandMaster Funk]

I thought the one-shot was a little disappointing. Just was hoping more would happen and we'd actually see the action rather than it being retold. Decent start, and enough to get me to stick on for the rest of the crossover.

[Magnum V.I.]

I really loved the One Shot. I think Brubaker really nailed the interactions of the characters. Especially Wolverine and Nightcrawler.

I enjoyed it a lot and it was nice to see the X-Men not on top of things.

[NickT]

I was dissapointed to be honest. It didn't feel like there was any real emotion despite what had happened.


Still, a few characters died offpanel and some babies got torched...least we know the series can't get any more downbeat :)

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-Men - Messiah Complex # 1.

The best baby killing scenes in a comic since Tank Man tested out his repulsor rays in The Authority back in the day.

Seriously though, it was enjoyable but once again had the nasty recent Marvel habit of Big Part One's falling flat due to all the previews/solicitation talk before hand. But nice art by Marc Silvestri and a great group of X-Men as mentioned previously has me interested. Plus the build-up has been great. It really feels like something HUGE is about to go down. I'll be around to see what. Not having read New X-Men though i have no idea who the Purifiers are or what the hell that big thing was at the end. Hell i thought it was those fucking Warwolves from old school Excalibur coming back. Thankfully they had a nice lil summary at the end there which is always appreciated.

7/10

[Hellboy Jr.]

X-Men - Messiah Complex # 1.

The best baby killing scenes in a comic since Tank Man tested out his repulsor rays in The Authority back in the day.

Seriously though, it was enjoyable but once again had the nasty recent Marvel habit of Big Part One's falling flat due to all the previews/solicitation talk before hand. But nice art by Marc Silvestri and a great group of X-Men as mentioned previously has me interested. Plus the build-up has been great. It really feels like something HUGE is about to go down. I'll be around to see what. Not having read New X-Men though i have no idea who the Purifiers are or what the hell that big thing was at the end. Hell i thought it was those fucking Warwolves from old school Excalibur coming back. Thankfully they had a nice lil summary at the end there which is always appreciated.

7/10


I remember that! He got his too!!! *nods*

[Vonn Hennigar]

I remember that! He got his too!!! *nods*

Nah, i seem to remember him walking away simply disgusted by what he had become.

It was The American (or whatever he was called) who got anally raped by Midnighter with a jackhammer.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Nah, i seem to remember him walking away simply disgusted by what he had become.

It was The American (or whatever he was called) who got anally raped by Midnighter with a jackhammer.

really? I coulda sworn he got blown up by Baby Jenny Quantum or something. I'll have to re-read the Authority stories.

[HomerGator]

Not having read New X-Men though i have no idea who the Purifiers are or what the hell that big thing was at the end.

The Purifiers are basically Stryker's old gang of hatemongers. Basically, they're the Friends of Humanity and the Church of Humanity together.

Predator X is a nasty motherfucker, who has been grafted with some of Cessily's (Mercury from New X-Men) skin. There were three, two are dead, and one is obviously running around. We have Predator X to thank for never ever having to see Mammomax again (he was eaten!).

[Vonn Hennigar]

The Purifiers are basically Stryker's old gang of hatemongers. Basically, they're the Friends of Humanity and the Church of Humanity together.

Predator X is a nasty motherfucker, who has been grafted with some of Cessily's (Mercury from New X-Men) skin. There were three, two are dead, and one is obviously running around. We have Predator X to thank for never ever having to see Mammomax again (he was eaten!).

What?

I LOVED Mammomax!

I'm being dead serious. Just saying his name outloud brings me joy.

[NickT]

What?

I LOVED Mammomax!

I'm being dead serious. Just saying his name outloud brings me joy.
Same. It's a name that works on many levels. MAMMOMAX!!!!!!!!!!

[HomerGator]

Man, I thought for sure everyone hated Mammomax.....

[Maestro]

This is what happens after Predator X has a hearty meal

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/4/f_img024m_485025c.jpg

[NickT]

Man, I thought for sure everyone hated Mammomax.....
MMMMMMMMMAMMMMMOOOOOOMAAAAAAAAAAX!!!!!




New X-Men is a book which seems good, but the mass pointless killing turned me off.

[HomerGator]

MMMMMMMMMAMMMMMOOOOOOMAAAAAAAAAAX!!!!!




New X-Men is a book which seems good, but the mass pointless killing turned me off.


I know a lot of people feel that way, but I don't think any of the killings have been pointless. They've been culling dead weight.

[Vonn Hennigar]

This is what happens after Predator X has a hearty meal

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/4/f_img024m_485025c.jpg

:vader: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Chuck Austen's greatest creation comes to a premature end.

[NickT]

I know a lot of people feel that way, but I don't think any of the killings have been pointless. They've been culling dead weight.
Why do they need to cull them? Lots of ways to get rid of characters.


I read the second trade in their run, and midway through a sniper took a character out. Nice scene, the death meant something. Then a character who I don't think had done anything at that point walked out a room and got shot in the head. What was the point in that? From a storyelling perspective, what did that achieve? Nothing. It just killed off a character that another writer could have made use of.

How would people feel if Bendis wasn't one of Marvel's top writers any more, and then suddenly Jessica Jones died as they "culled dead weight"?



Death in comics is fine, but pointless crappy deaths like that or Alpha Flight irritate me. They're pointless deaths.

[HomerGator]

If you ask me, it wasn't premature enough :D

[HomerGator]

Why do they need to cull them? Lots of ways to get rid of characters.


I read the second trade in their run, and midway through a sniper took a character out. Nice scene, the death meant something. Then a character who I don't think had done anything at that point walked out a room and got shot in the head. What was the point in that? From a storyelling perspective, what did that achieve? Nothing. It just killed off a character that another writer could have made use of.

How would people feel if Bendis wasn't one of Marvel's top writers any more, and then suddenly Jessica Jones died as they "culled dead weight"?



Death in comics is fine, but pointless crappy deaths like that or Alpha Flight irritate me. They're pointless deaths.

I get that. There was also when the Purifiers killed all the kids that were leaving the Institute. They had all lost their powers, and were basically already being written out of the series. So why kill all of them with a damn rocket? A lot of people were angry at that, and I totally get it.

But I happen to be of the school of thought that the only way to make your heroes better is to make their villains better. Yost/Kyle wanted to make the Purifiers an everpresent threat in the X books, the way they tried to do with the Friends of Humanity back in the day. One really great way to do that is to have them do something unthinkable. Killing something like forty harmless kids when they're about to go home is pretty unthinkable.

It may seem like the deaths are pointless, but to me they had impact.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I really do understand where you're coming from, but in this particular case, I happen to disagree (I do, however, agree completely with you about Alpha Flight).

[NickT]

If you ask me, it wasn't premature enough :D
Yeah because after all, he was in so many books at that point right? Oh wait, he wasn't :)

[Vonn Hennigar]

Since i'm way behind on New Excalibur anyone care to fill me in on the current state of the Juggernaut?

Was he still with the team at the end?

[HomerGator]

Since i'm way behind on New Excalibur anyone care to fill me in on the current state of the Juggernaut?

Was he still with the team at the end?

The last we saw of Juggy was at the end of World War Hulk: X-Men. The demon Cytorrak finally granted him his full strength, but only after he agreed that what he wanted more than anything was to show that he was still the strongest. So after getting his ass handed to him (as Cain Marko) by old jade skin, he showed up sporting his old school Juggernaut armor and threw down.

After the Hulk left, Charles thanked Cain for risking his life to help him, to which Cain replied (something like):

"Save it. I didn't do it for you. Tell them not to come looking for me."

I got the impression he was back to his old ways (although his relationship with the X-Men and their satelite teams will never be the same as it was back then).

[NickT]

I get that. There was also when the Purifiers killed all the kids that were leaving the Institute. They had all lost their powers, and were basically already being written out of the series. So why kill all of them with a damn rocket? A lot of people were angry at that, and I totally get it.

But I happen to be of the school of thought that the only way to make your heroes better is to make their villains better. Yost/Kyle wanted to make the Purifiers an everpresent threat in the X books, the way they tried to do with the Friends of Humanity back in the day. One really great way to do that is to have them do something unthinkable. Killing something like forty harmless kids when they're about to go home is pretty unthinkable.

It may seem like the deaths are pointless, but to me they had impact.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I really do understand where you're coming from, but in this particular case, I happen to disagree (I do, however, agree completely with you about Alpha Flight).
I do see your point, I can accept that. But at the same time, it comes back to the idea that the only way to make a bad guy dangerous is kill existing characters. The Hood did it in NA too.

When Kevin Smith needed characters for Onomatopoeia to kill in Green Arrow, he created new characters (As far as I know, anyway). He created them, he built them up a bit, he killed them. Worked very well IMO. Why can't more writers do that?

[HomerGator]

I do see your point, I can accept that. But at the same time, it comes back to the idea that the only way to make a bad guy dangerous is kill existing characters. The Hood did it in NA too.

When Kevin Smith needed characters for Onomatopoeia to kill in Green Arrow, he created new characters (As far as I know, anyway). He created them, he built them up a bit, he killed them. Worked very well IMO. Why can't more writers do that?

That's a good question, and one I don't have any answers for. I think a lot of writers don't have the encyclopedic comic knowledge a lot of us have (shame on them!), and so they just ask their editors for a list of guys they can kill off.

[Vonn Hennigar]

The last we saw of Juggy was at the end of World War Hulk: X-Men. The demon Cytorrak finally granted him his full strength, but only after he agreed that what he wanted more than anything was to show that he was still the strongest. So after getting his ass handed to him (as Cain Marko) by old jade skin, he showed up sporting his old school Juggernaut armor and threw down.

After the Hulk left, Charles thanked Cain for risking his life to help him, to which Cain replied (something like):

"Save it. I didn't do it for you. Tell them not to come looking for me."

I got the impression he was back to his old ways (although his relationship with the X-Men and their satelite teams will never be the same as it was back then).

Ah, i did read and enjoy that mini, but i assumed he eventually went back to New Excalibur, guess i was wrong. Thx!

I actually like Juggernaut as a hero. What's the alternative? Him showing up once or twice a year in some random book robbing a book boasting how he can't be stopped...until he is in fact stopped? Wash,rinse,repeat.

[NickT]

That's a good question, and one I don't have any answers for. I think a lot of writers don't have the encyclopedic comic knowledge a lot of us have (shame on them!), and so they just ask their editors for a list of guys they can kill off.
But what I'm saying is that they could just kill a new character off over an existing one.

Not always of course, there are situations where an existing character dying is neccesary. But there are a few cases where they could have just injured the character(s), used new ones or just flat out not had the scene and the story would have the same impacts IMO.

[The Human Target]

really? I coulda sworn he got blown up by Baby Jenny Quantum or something. I'll have to re-read the Authority stories.

Nah, he gets convinced of what a douchebag he is and ends up just leaving to go live a normal life.

[HomerGator]

Ah, i did read and enjoy that mini, but i assumed he eventually went back to New Excalibur, guess i was wrong. Thx!

I actually like Juggernaut as a hero. What's the alternative? Him showing up once or twice a year in some random book robbing a book boasting how he can't be stopped...until he is in fact stopped? Wash,rinse,repeat.

He might have shown up in New Excalibur since then, I'm not sure, as I don't read New Excalibur.

I think making the Juggernaut a hero takes one of the X-Men's greatest villains away. I liked him as a hero for a little while (it's been done before with X villains. See Magneto), but I think it's time for the Juggernaut to be kicking good guys' heads in again.

[HomerGator]

Uncanny X-Men 492 (Messiah CompleX part 2) and Astonishing X-Men 23 come out tomorrow! Happy day!

Judging by the small (textless) preview we got for Uncanny, we're going to see some X-Men v Acolyte action (with Angel!). I feel like I did when I was about fifteen years younger and X-Cutioner's Song was just coming out (excited). This should be awesome.

And Astonishing? The book that could come out once a year and I wouldn't care because it's that good (IMO). I'm going to take a wild guess and say Cyclops somehow survived the events of the last issue, and I expect this is the issue we're finally going to see what his plan is. Also, maybe Colossus v Ord (or Overlord Kruun)?

I can't possibly be the only one here geeking out this bad over the X-Men these days...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I read Messiah Complex last night and I dug it. Some pretty good stuff (even if there wasn't much surprise, thanks to solicits). Silvestri delivered some great art and the story did a great job of setting up the crossover. I can't wait for Uncanny, tomorrow.

8/10

[Vonn Hennigar]

I want answers on how MR. Sinister (Yes Mr. Damn You!!!) knew about this baby beforehand. He's plotted to destroy the Destiny Diaries and all other precog's or other material specifically to keep this info out of the X-Men's hands,yet the baby's birth just took place.

Has he been busy in his lab again? Plus i really doubt that the birth took place in Alaska of all places was pure coincidence. I'm starting to believe that those Jean Grey rebirth theorys have some weight to em.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

And are the parents important? A non-answer to the question on CBR got me thinking. I have no answers myself or guesses but it does add a dimension...

[Vonn Hennigar]

And are the parents important? A non-answer to the question on CBR got me thinking. I have no answers myself or guesses but it does add a dimension...

The parents are clearly Adam X-The X-TREME!!! and a disembodied clone of Jean Grey's vagina that Mr.Sinister kept in his lab for uh research purposes.

Case Closed!

[HomerGator]

I want answers on how MR. Sinister (Yes Mr. Damn You!!!) knew about this baby beforehand. He's plotted to destroy the Destiny Diaries and all other precog's or other material specifically to keep this info out of the X-Men's hands,yet the baby's birth just took place.

Has he been busy in his lab again? Plus i really doubt that the birth took place in Alaska of all places was pure coincidence. I'm starting to believe that those Jean Grey rebirth theorys have some weight to em.

Yeah, I was wondering about the Alaska thing, it's a bit of a huge coincidence, that Sinister is involved with something mutant related in a place so closely related to Cyclops...

I hope Scott blasts his pasty ass with another gigantic 'fuck you, buddy' optic blast.

X-Factor 39 was awesome.

[HomerGator]

The parents are clearly Adam X-The X-TREME!!! and a disembodied clone of Jean Grey's vagina that Mr.Sinister kept in his lab for uh research purposes.

Case Closed!

Sorry, you're WAY off. It's Madelyne Pryor's disembodied vagina.

[Glixy]

I hope Scott blasts his pasty ass with another gigantic 'fuck you, buddy' optic blast.




You will be very happy if you read Astonishing today :eek:

[HomerGator]

You will be very happy if you read Astonishing today :eek:

I just did, and boy, are you ever right.

:Happy dance:

[iGotKittyPryde]

I just did, and boy, are you ever right.

:Happy dance:

That was an awesome, awesome moment.

I'm not entirely sure how it all fits though. I mean, the original reveal of... what happened that apparently wasn't what we thought happened, seemed to suggest that what happened there couldn't happen, because if it could it'd have happened then

God, avoiding spoilers is more trouble than it's worth. But perhaps that made sense? Meh, either way I suppose.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

So, this latest issue of Astonishing made me a very happy x-fanboy.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Uncanny X-Men 492 was pretty good. Bru did a great job writing Cyclops.

So any guesses on who has the baby? I'm thinking it likely is Sinister.

[Glixy]

I think Gambit has it, he is a theif after all.

[HomerGator]

So, this latest issue of Astonishing made me a very happy x-fanboy.

Whedon and Cassaday could do the Adventures of Moon Boy and Devil Dinosaur, and it would be amazing.

[HomerGator]

Uncanny X-Men 492 was pretty good. Bru did a great job writing Cyclops.

So any guesses on who has the baby? I'm thinking it likely is Sinister.

I liked the scene between Scott and Xavier. I liked seeing former Acolytes, I liked how Warren was a little pissed about being left out of the loop (AGAIN).

I didn't like Billy Tan's art. I'm not his biggest fan to begin with, but this certainly wasn't his best work, IMO.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Uncanny X-Men 492 was pretty good. Bru did a great job writing Cyclops.

So any guesses on who has the baby? I'm thinking it likely is Sinister.

It's gotta be Sinister's group

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Whedon and Cassaday could do the Adventures of Moon Boy and Devil Dinosaur, and it would be amazing.

I'd been quite underwhelmed by the last couple issues, but this one blew me away.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I liked the scene between Scott and Xavier. I liked seeing former Acolytes, I liked how Warren was a little pissed about being left out of the loop (AGAIN).

I didn't like Billy Tan's art. I'm not his biggest fan to begin with, but this certainly wasn't his best work, IMO.

I am not a fan of Tan. Though could use a better artist on this title, imo. I preferred the work that Larroca was doing on the last arc.

[Magnum V.I.]

I'd been quite underwhelmed by the last couple issues, but this one blew me away.

Heh. "What else have you been lying about!"

[GrandMaster Funk]

I think Tan's decent. Nice, clean, art. A real improvement from his art a few years ago.

[Eric Williams]

Billy Tan has grown by leaps and bounds when you compare this issue to his 1990's Top Cow work, or even some of his Uncanny issues with Claremont from a couple years back. I find his work interesting, because he's probably one of the few artists whose action/movement panels are much stronger than the expository sequences.

[HomerGator]

I am not a fan of Tan. Though could use a better artist on this title, imo. I preferred the work that Larroca was doing on the last arc.

Yeah, as great as Messiah Complex is shaping up to be, it probably has the weakest group of artists on any X-event I can think of.

[Glixy]

Yeah, as great as Messiah Complex is shaping up to be, it probably has the weakest group of artists on any X-event I can think of.

I think you are quite wrong about that. Some of the FUCK! The one with Cameron Hodge, I can't remember the name...

some of the issues from that one have terrible terrible art. Terrible terrible art, it reads so bad in trade, because you have some awsome Jim Lee stuff, and then total drek.

X-cecutioners song had some really really badly drawn chapters.

As far as the current teams

Tan = bleh
Ramos = would be awesome if he went back to his Crimson level of detail
Eaton = Really good! I didn't know him until Endangered Species, but I was very pleasntly surprised.
Bachalo = My favorite comic book artist ever.

So not great, but not awful. I'm telling you, go back and look at some of the older x-overs...

[Eric Williams]

Scott Eaton's work is very solid. I think Newsarama has a preview for X-Factor #25 somewhere.

[GrandMaster Funk]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12325

If you scroll down a bit there's some preview pages of Eaton's work. He's pretty good, really enjoyed some of his art on Black Panther.

[Eric Williams]

Damn! The X-Men #205 is intense. Finch seems to be going all out with the textures.
(Spoiler alert) http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/24/XMEN205_COL.jpg

[HomerGator]

I think you are quite wrong about that. Some of the FUCK! The one with Cameron Hodge, I can't remember the name...

some of the issues from that one have terrible terrible art. Terrible terrible art, it reads so bad in trade, because you have some awsome Jim Lee stuff, and then total drek.

X-cecutioners song had some really really badly drawn chapters.

As far as the current teams

Tan = bleh
Ramos = would be awesome if he went back to his Crimson level of detail
Eaton = Really good! I didn't know him until Endangered Species, but I was very pleasntly surprised.
Bachalo = My favorite comic book artist ever.

So not great, but not awful. I'm telling you, go back and look at some of the older x-overs...

Well, let's see:

Fall of the Mutants had Marc Silvestri on Uncanny, Walt Simonson on X-Factor, and Brett Blevins on New Mutants.

Inferno had the same artists on the same titles.

Mutant Massacre had John Romita JR (with an assist by Brett Blevins in an issue), Rick Leonardi, and Alan Davis on Uncanny X-Men, Jackson Guice on New Mutants, Walt Simonson on X-Factor, Sal Buscema on Thor, and John Bogdanove on Power Pack.

X-Tinction Agenda (the one you're thinking of) had Jim Lee on Uncanny (duh), Rob Liefeld and Guang Yap (who?) on New Mutants, and John Bogdanove on X-Factor.

X-Cutioner's Song had Brandon Peterson on Uncanny, Andy Kubert on X-Men, Greg Capullo on X-Force, and Jae Lee on X-Factor.

The Phalanx Covenant had Joe Mad on Uncanny, Andy Kubert on X-Men, Jan Duursema and Roger Cruz on X-Factor, Tony Daniel on X-Force, Ken Lashley and Steve Epting on Excalibur, Adam Kubert on Wolverine, and Steve Skroce (!!) on Cable.

Fatal Attractions had Joe Q on X-Factor, Greg Capullo on X-Force, the issue of Uncanny had a bunch of pencillers: John Romita JR, Jae Lee, Chris Sprouse, Brandon Peterson, and Paul Smith. On X-Men we had Andy Kubert, his brother Adam was on Wolverine, and Excalibur had a few pencillers, too: Ken Lashley, Darick Robertson, and Matt Ryan.

Finally, the Age of Apocalypse (not the alpha or omega issues) we had Chris Bachalo on Generation Next, Joe Mad on Astonishing X-Men, Tony Daniel and Salvador Larocca on Gambit and the X-ternals, Adam Kubert on Weapon X, Andy Kubert on Amazing X-Men, Steve Epting and Terry Dodson on Factor-X, and Steve Skroce on X-Man. X-Calibre had a bunch of artists, including Ken Lashley, Roger Cruz, Renato Arlem, Carlos Motta, and Eddie Wagner, although Lashley did the majority himself (the first, third and fourth issues entirely on his own).

OK, that took forever. Fall of the Mutants is very strong, as is Inferno. I have a hard time finding anything in Mutant Massacre that I don't like.

You're absolutely right about X-Tinction Agenda, though. With the exception of the awesome Jim Lee issues, the art is crap. Pure crap.

I think X-Cutioner's Song had some great pencils (with the exception of a very young and green Brandon Peterson), but some really lousy inkers. IIRC, there was something like four inkers on an issue of X-men somewhere in there.

The Phalanx Covenant had some great art, and with the exception of the Ucanny issue (which had too many cooks in the kitchen) Fatal Attractions had some great art.

In retrospect, I'm not sure if we should count AOA. It was more than just a crossover, really. Some books looked great, others not so much. I think Joe Mad and Chris Bachalo really did some fantastic work here.

FINALLY, we come to Messiah Complex. We got Marc Silvestri on the prologue, which I'm totally fine with. Then we get Billy Tan, whose work I'm not a fan of, personally.

After Tan we get Scott Eaton, who is getting better with pretty much every issue I see of his. I like him.

Then we go to Humberto Ramos on New X-Men. NO. THANK YOU. If I wanted to read manga, I'd read manga. I really don't feel like his style fits Wolverine, let alone the X-Men.

Then you have Chris Bachalo, who can be really fantastic (usually is), but can also make the simplest image nearly impossible to decipher. That said, I'm a fan of his, too.

So, maybe I was a bit hasty when I said Messiah Complex had the worst art team. X-Tinction Agenda probably takes that title, despite some awesome Jim Lee art (Archangel v Wolverine!).

Looks like you were right.

[Hellboy Jr.]

I have a REALLY cool X-Team Idea.

A new X.S.E., sanctioned by SHIELD.

The Team is:

Bishop (leader)
Sunspot
Karma
Cannonball
Magma
Mimic <------ (a little off the beaten path but I have GREAT ideas for the character)
Thunderbird III
Lifeguard


The new XSE (Name by Bishop ;)) is a team Sanctioned by SHIELD to track down villains/heroes/ etc. Who try to escape punishment by fleeing to other countries. The first story involves them tracking down a MAJOR (start guessing) villain who's been in hiding for awhile. And trust me Not everyone in that team is gonna make it out of this one unscathed, and the second arc has them traveling to Latveria to HELP Doom stop a rising resistance force in Latveria, much to he chagrin of their members. I also have tons f ideas involving characters in X- History that most people have forgotten or thought were dead or something.

[iGotKittyPryde]

Am I the only one who thought the Silverstri art in the prologue was a bit awful?

I like Tan, though. And Eaton is all right, but what happened to Pablo Raimondi who normally does X-Factor? And Ramos and Bachalo aren't really my cup of tea, frankly.

I wish the art was Tan, Eaton, Larroca and Raimondi. That would work quite well for me.

[Hellboy Jr.]

I like Tan's X-Men. Silvestri . . . meh.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I have a REALLY cool X-Team Idea.

A new X.S.E., sanctioned by SHIELD.

The Team is:

Bishop (leader)
Sunspot
Karma
Cannonball
Magma
Mimic <------ (a little off the beaten path but I have GREAT ideas for the character)
Thunderbird III
Lifeguard


The new XSE (Name by Bishop ;)) is a team Sanctioned by SHIELD to track down villains/heroes/ etc. Who try to escape punishment by fleeing to other countries. The first story involves them tracking down a MAJOR (start guessing) villain who's been in hiding for awhile. And trust me Not everyone in that team is gonna make it out of this one unscathed, and the second arc has them traveling to Latveria to HELP Doom stop a rising resistance force in Latveria, much to he chagrin of their members. I also have tons f ideas involving characters in X- History that most people have forgotten or thought were dead or something.


I love it and here's the plan: Since getting in to the Big 2 as a writer is tough, we need to get you in as an artist. All you need is a good eight page story to draw and there's plenty here to help you wih that. Step Two is proving yourself reliable and good and then you do some of your own writing followed by your takeover of an X-Book. From there getting your XSE book published would be child's play...

[GrandMaster Funk]

Am I the only one who thought the Silverstri art in the prologue was a bit awful?

I like Tan, though. And Eaton is all right, but what happened to Pablo Raimondi who normally does X-Factor? And Ramos and Bachalo aren't really my cup of tea, frankly.

I wish the art was Tan, Eaton, Larroca and Raimondi. That would work quite well for me.

Yeah Silvestri's art wasn't great in part one.

Raimondi isn't that fast of an artist. He's been doing every other arc since coming on board. I'm fairly certain he's back on X-Factor after Messiah Complex.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Uncanny X-Men # 492

Enjoyable enough and i'm loving the characterization but it's still lacking a bit of oomph.I want answers, i want Sinister and the Marauders, hell i want Apocalypse! Plus i didn't recognize any of those damn Acolytes :(

It's a little strange because now X-Men will basically be just like Uncanny in terms of characters for the remainder of this crossover anyway. (Whose left of Carey's team? Bobby and Sam?) so that chapter wont have a different feel unlike say X-Factor and New X-Men.

7/10

[HomerGator]

Uncanny X-Men # 492

Enjoyable enough and i'm loving the characterization but it's still lacking a bit of oomph.

I agree 100%. It would have been nice to at least see how the Purifiers managed to take out Blockbuster and Prism (assuming, of course, that it WAS the Purifiers who took them out).

It would have been nice to have at least one scene with Sinister, the Acolytes, the Marauders...

Don't get me wrong, I like the first two parts. And I think once the story switches into another writer's hands (Peter David's up first! Yay!) it will start to kick into a higher gear.

[HomerGator]

Thoughts on X-Factor?

I really liked it. My favorite part of Messiah Complex so far. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Layla and Jamie's dupe (and his other dupe)- where the hell are they? Or when?

It was good to see Forge again, I always kind of forget about him he's used so sparingly these days. I also really liked the scene with Scott and the New X-Men. It's always nice to see Scott reminding people who steers the ship, so to speak.

[HomerGator]

What the hell happened to this thread, did I kill it?

Weird, normally I need YouStayClassy or JackRabbit to do that...

Or Bairdduvessa (sp). I miss that guy.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Thoughts on X-Factor?

I really liked it. My favorite part of Messiah Complex so far. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Layla and Jamie's dupe (and his other dupe)- where the hell are they? Or when?

It was good to see Forge again, I always kind of forget about him he's used so sparingly these days. I also really liked the scene with Scott and the New X-Men. It's always nice to see Scott reminding people who steers the ship, so to speak.

I posted this over on Rabbitt Stew and meant to post it here, but I forgot:

X-Factor 25 - pretty good stuff. PAD does a good job of keeping the MC storyline going strong. Some great stuff with some fun twists. I'm still fully on board with this crossover.

I have no idea what's going to happen with Layla...

[HomerGator]

I posted this over on Rabbitt Stew and meant to post it here, but I forgot:

X-Factor 25 - pretty good stuff. PAD does a good job of keeping the MC storyline going strong. Some great stuff with some fun twists. I'm still fully on board with this crossover.

I have no idea what's going to happen with Layla...

You shill. :D

Do you think the two new time branches are new alternate timelines, or are they pre-existing alternate timelines that have been 'jumpstarted', so to speak?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

You shill. :D

Do you think the two new time branches are new alternate timelines, or are they pre-existing alternate timelines that have been 'jumpstarted', so to speak?

I was figuring that they were new timelines, not pre-existing ones. That wasn't even something that had dawned on me. I suppose it is a possibility, though.

[HomerGator]

I'd love to see the Age of Apocalypse with just under two hundred mutants on earth...

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Someone was bitching at Savage Critics that they've dropped X-Factor because of all the crossovers interrupting it. Is it just me or is this nuts? Isn't this the first crossover that's hit X-Factor's shores?

[Foggy's Pal]

Someone was bitching at Savage Critics that they've dropped X-Factor because of all the crossovers interrupting it. Is it just me or is this nuts? Isn't this the first crossover that's hit X-Factor's shores?

Yes, with only a brief entry into Civil War. Plus, Factor fans, like me, should be thrilled that Jamie and Layla will be seeing so much page time in all the books.

[Dreg]

The biggest flaw with Messiah Complex? Spending so much page time blatantly stating why Predator X is a badass instead of just showing it. And it doesn't help the matter when the first thing you say about Predator X is that there were three of them originally, but two were killed off by the freaking New X-Men. If three of them aren't a significant threat to the X-Freshman, why should one be a threat to any of the adult teams?

[iGotKittyPryde]

The biggest flaw with Messiah Complex? Spending so much page time blatantly stating why Predator X is a badass instead of just showing it. And it doesn't help the matter when the first thing you say about Predator X is that there were three of them originally, but two were killed off by the freaking New X-Men. If three of them aren't a significant threat to the X-Freshman, why should one be a threat to any of the adult teams?

Agreed.

It's odd that Messiah seems to have roots so much in New X-Men stories I have only a vague notion of what happened in.

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-News from Dublin Comic Con...

Posted by Domixt on Sunday, November 18 2007 at 16:38:06 GMT

CB Cebulski ran a panel called Pint O' Joe and in it he showed some covers, including the upcoming variant to Astonishing X-Men # 25, a Kitty Pryde image. Then the cover for the first Uncanny X-Men issue after Messiah Complex. Mike Choi is the artist and it had Cyclops and Emma Frost standing in front of a collapsed wall of the mansion, with Angel flying into the distance and Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus all facing the other way.

Also X-Men is cancelled and being replaced by X-Men: Legacy. A comic featuring in-continuity stories set in the past. Written by Mike Carey, Art by Scot Eaton with sequences by John Romita Jr. The cover was by David Finch and had the original 5. This will link with the first 5 or 6 issues and form an image of the X-Men through the ages.

X-Factor will continue past the crossover, with the same creative team. No word on New X-Men...

Excalibur will start with a new #1 written by Paul Cornell. Paul was at the convention but couldn't say anything more about it!

http://www.comicboards.com/xmb/view.php?trd=071118163806

First off Boooo to X-Men being cancelled, especially for X-Men : The Hidden Years - Part Deux (Uh doesn't First Class fill this niche quite capably?)

Yay for Excalibur coming back though with Paul Cornell, needless to say Pete Wisdom must return as well.

February Solicits coming out this week should make for some interesting news either way.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Cancellation of X-Men: fuck that. that is bullshit, i'm sorry


Glad to see that the Cornell Excalibur is still in the works, though.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Cancellation of X-Men: fuck that. that is bullshit, i'm sorry


Glad to see that the Cornell Excalibur is still in the works, though.

I'm betting its just going to be retitled. That's what Carey's been hinting at in interviews.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm betting its just going to be retitled. That's what Carey's been hinting at in interviews.

That I would be okay with.

[brianhalpin]

I'd like to see this Mike Choi cover if anyone has the image....

[HomerGator]

That I would be okay with.

Yeah, I don't think I'd be that upset if they cancelled "X-Men" and replaced it with something cool, but X-Men: Legacy?

Hmmm...

At least it's written by Mike Carey.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

X-solicits:

GIANT-SIZE ASTONISHING X-MEN #1
Written by JOSS WHEDON
Pencils & Wraparound Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
Too big to be contained in a normal issue, the grand finale of Joss Whedon (Buffy, Firefly) and John Cassaday's (CAPTAIN AMERICA, Planetary) landmark run is right here! The powerlords of Breakworld bring the fight to Earth. Can the X-Men stop them from destroying the whole planet? Will the Avengers join their fight? What we do know is this: one of the X-Men won't walk away from this fight. Plus spotlight interviews with Whedon and Cassaday!
64 PGS./Rated T+ ...$4.99

UNCANNY X-MEN #495
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils & Cover by MICHAEL CHOI
"DIVIDED WE STAND"
Reeling from the events of Messiah Complex, the surviving mutants reassess Xavier's dream amidst the rubble of the mansion. Betrayed by one of their own, and mourning the loss of former allies, is peaceful coexistence still an option? The only thing that's certain is an uncertain future for mutantkind. Is anyone safe in a world without
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

X-MEN: LEGACY #208
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
"LEGACY"
CLASSIFIED UNTIL THE END OF MESSIAH COMPLEX.
32 PGS./Rated A...$2.99

X-FORCE #1
Written by CRAIG KYLE & CHRISTOPHER YOST
Art and Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN (Also Bloody Variant Available)
Variant Cover by TRAVIS CHAREST
"ANGELS AND DEMONS" Part 1 (of 6)
There are lines that the X-Men have sworn never to cross. But after the shocking events of "Messiah Complex," Cyclops realizes that some enemies need to be dealt with permanently... and the X-Men can never know about it. Enter WOLVERINE, WARPATH, X-23 and WOLFSBANE...X-FORCE.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

X-FACTOR #28
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by PABLO RAIMONDI
Cover by GLENN FABRY
A DIVIDED WE STAND tie-in!
Following the events of MESSIAH COMPLEX, X-Factor Investigations is in shambles. Jamie is a basketcase from his trip to a nightmarish future, Layla's fate is completely in the air, and Wolfsbane has to leave the team to join X-FORCE, though none of her friends can know about it. What will Wolfsbane tell the X-Factor team? What are they going to do about Layla? How is Jamie coping with his guilt? Get onboard here for X-Factor's brand-new direction!
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

WOLVERINE #62
Written by JASON AARON
Pencils & Cover by RON GARNEY
"GET TOP SECRET PART 1
Writer Jason Aaron (Scalped) and artist Ron Garney (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) bring you a searing