The Official X-Men & Friends Thread!

[Eric Williams]

Wow, we're almost at 100 issues of Exiles? :o

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wow, we're almost at 100 issues of Exiles? :o

It's a very impressive milestone to be sure. Same goes for Cable & Deadpool's upcoming 50th issue.

I can only pray X-Factor reaches the 100th issue once again some day.

[Vonn Hennigar]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/sabretooth6.jpg

1977-2007?

Will Jeph Loeb do it or not? If so will it even matter? Victor will be back by the end of the decade at the latest anyway.

Right? :scared:

Sigh Marc Guggenheim can't return fast enough.

[HomerGator]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Vonn_Hennigar/sabretooth6.jpg

1977-2007?

Will Jeph Loeb do it or not? If so will it even matter? Victor will be back by the end of the decade at the latest anyway.

Right? :scared:

Sigh Marc Guggenheim can't return fast enough.

I dunno, I don't think it would be such a bad thing if they got rid of Sabretooth for a while, considering he has never been as cool as he was in Mutant Massacre (the Claremont/Alan Davis issue of Uncanny, to be exact).

I just think the current story sucks. The art is freaking awesome, but Loeb? Meh.

[hveasey1213]

The current Wolverine story arc has been pretty disappointing. I've never been a big Sabertooth fan, but I think he deserves to go out in a bigger storyline than this (not that I think any death would be permanent, but still.)

First Class debuting at 79 doesn't bode well for it continuing for very long.

I was actually re-reading some of X-Men: Hidden Years earlier, and it was surprisingly enjoyable. It causes all sorts of odd continuity things (Storm appearing prior to Giant-Size, etc.), but it was fun for a quick read.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Isn't Wolverine's son supposed to become the new Sabre Tooth?

[HomerGator]

Isn't Wolverine's son supposed to become the new Sabre Tooth?

As far as I know, that's just a rumor. I doubt Daken will be "Sabretooth", but I can see him taking Sabretooth's spot as the primary Wolverine villain, at least for a little while...

[HomerGator]

Just finished WWH:X-Men and New X-Men, and both were kickass!

I swear, every time I read a comic written by Cris Gage I become more and more of a fan. Didn't get to pick up his Quasar mini today, but it's in my pull box (come on payday!).

Andrea Divito, too, is just better and better. His work on Thor: Disassembled was great, and his work on Annihilation was even better (!!), but I think this is some of the best work I've seen him do to date. You can practically feel the impact from the blows the Hulk's raining down on everyone (sucks to be Colossus and Wolverine!). Also, loved that last splash, as well as Nightcrawler's line: "Not yet, mein herr... it's a big family."

I have to admit, as far as Skottie Young on New X-Men, that I was really really wrong. I thought it would be a big drop from the work Paco Medina was doing, but I think it might actually fit this book (at least this story) even better!

I liked the development with Illyana/Darkchilde, as well as Belasco continuing to be a twisted, evil, sadistic fucker, and Anole (!!!) being a badass, but my favorite part was "GET THE $#$% AWAY FROM MY FRIENDS!"

Endangered Species was really good, too. Chris Yost is another guy that I seem to like more and more. I think I liked Kavita Rao better here than I ever did in Astonishing (maybe. I have to re-read AXM when it's all done).

I was broke as hell today, and was only able to pick a few books out of my pull list: World War Hulk, WWH:X-Men, Avengers:The Initiative, New X-Men, and Ultimate Spider-Man. Feeling pretty good about my choices :D

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Hulk-X-Men is a wild treat. It is very unnecessary and pointless but it's one huge helluva lotta fun. I'm not a big fan of the Pak Hulk but WWH is bringing the fun back to the MU and how!

[HomerGator]

Hulk-X-Men is a wild treat. It is very unnecessary and pointless but it's one huge helluva lotta fun. I'm not a big fan of the Pak Hulk but WWH is bringing the fun back to the MU and how!

I agree with everything you said (except not being a big fan of Pak's Hulk).

Also, I like the new name! :D

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Some baird reviews:

cable/deadpool-old school 90's pointless action and humor 4.5 x's! the
letter page may clue us in on an event, as wade mentions symbiotes playing a
part in issue 50...

x-men 201-so much possible shit going down. mike carey seems to be
attempting to tie together all the loose threads from the past decade...and
maybe, just maybe the return of destiny...i think i am going to like the
iceman/cannonball teamup even if they are doomed to die...4x's

endangered species-finally they show what happened with neverland...in a
continuity book! rabbitt you must be happy, more beast after 5 parts this
story is currently at 4.79 x's

all star batman and robin-why do i buy this f'ing comic? it is so bad and
yet....sigh

megatron origins 2-geek tastic, this writer is paying attention to so many
different g1 timeliness its great. pay attention to background characters
at the areanas and you'll see what i mean!

[skylar]

Rahne and Ric was cool, as was the very obvious sub plot with M anyone else see a multiple birth in her future? but X-Factor is one of the best written, boring comics going. Not even in the top 5 for me in a week that incuded Fables, Justice Society, and Nexus but still better than Countdown and Excalibur/Exiles.

i think i said this before, but maybe on another board but with M i think that she will definitely have identical twins as it runs in her family and the question will be are they multiple baby killcrop mutants or are they twins. its going to be fantastic. and even if they can merge, it doesn't mean they aren't identical twins, as that's a power that also runs in her family. the question of one of the twins authenticity will be called into question

[Vonn Hennigar]

X-Men # 201

Loved it! The Marauders victory,the taking of Rogue,the way Emma forced Cannonball to escape, the team-up with Iceman,Exodus attacking the Mansion with his team. The mystery involving Blindfold and Elixir, Just a general Holy Fuck! What's next? feeling is permeating this book at the moment and that's a feeling that has been lacking here since Grant Morrison left. Plus the Endangered Species back-up this week kicked seven shades of ass. Shame the solicits spoiled the return of Dark Beast though :mad: The final splash was great but it would have been fucking EPIC without the spoilers.

Wolverine # 55

Taken as a stand-alone issue this one's actually pretty damn good actually. Simone Bianchi is getting better with every issue and his upcoming work with Warren Ellis on Astonishing X-Men should be fucking Killer! Still not feeling Romulus yet though which is worrying since clearly he's HUGE in the future Wolverine plans. I'm still baffled at the whole Lupine throughout history thing (What was the fucking point???)but at least Jeph Loeb clarifys that those were visions sent to Logan from Romulus and ARE NOT supposed to be Logan and Victor fighting through the ages at least not in a literal sense. But the big news of course is the DEATH OF SABRETOOTH :( Ol Wolveroonie slices and dices Victor real good here and uses the Muramasa blade to slice his head off in a truly stunning 2 page Bianchi splash. Victor you will be missed but with his healing factor and his ties with Mr.Sinister and Romulus himself i know he can be resurrected lickety-split so i can't be too upset. Besides it's time to give him a bit of a breather anyway. Bring him back in a couple of years tops and i'll be happy.

[bennymatthewtaylor]

He spent a million dollars accrued from Army backwages to set up a telephone hotline to save people (in the mid 80s. Which evil bastards later told him he had to pay tax on after he had already spent it all to make him work for evil.) but he missed the boat on My Space?

My god that panel is so funny.

[scouser]

Quick question, does any one know whether Cecelia Reyes was the woman who was being executed in the Endangered Species back up in X Men 201?

[Vonn Hennigar]

Quick question, does any one know whether Cecelia Reyes was the woman who was being executed in the Endangered Species back up in X Men 201?

We can dream can't we?

Any Joe Kelly concepts should be battered out of the books for all time.

EVERY new X-Character they created in the late 90's was a total waste of paper and ink.

[docr0ck88]

is there an x-men panel at SDCC this year? if so, when? i want to know who the new x-men artist is now that ramos is on runaways.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Especially if Bachalo is one of the new Spider-Artists like it looks in that preview. I kinda hope it turns out to be Mark Bagley. His X-Men work in Ultimate Spider-Man was amazing.

That said, am I the only one dreading Astonishing post Joss? I don't read Wolverine so I have no idea how bad or good the art will be, but Ellis on the book will be Morrison The Sequel. His work on Excalibur was amazing and his revamp of the secondary titles cool but I don't think I'll enjoy him on a flagship title.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Especially if Bachalo is one of the new Spider-Artists like it looks in that preview. I kinda hope it turns out to be Mark Bagley. His X-Men work in Ultimate Spider-Man was amazing.

That said, am I the only one dreading Astonishing post Joss? I don't read Wolverine so I have no idea how bad or good the art will be, but Ellis on the book will be Morrison The Sequel. His work on Excalibur was amazing and his revamp of the secondary titles cool but I don't think I'll enjoy him on a flagship title.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ellis on Astonishing. I think it'll be fun.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I'd prefer Nextwave Ellis or newuniversal Ellis to Thunderbolts Ellis. And I wouldn't mind them releasing some of the cast from their Astonishing bondage. Trade Beast, Colossus, and Kitty for Wisdom, actually. Only Cornell has really gotten that character since his creation anyways...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'd prefer Nextwave Ellis or newuniversal Ellis to Thunderbolts Ellis. And I wouldn't mind them releasing some of the cast from their Astonishing bondage. Trade Beast, Colossus, and Kitty for Wisdom, actually. Only Cornell has really gotten that character since his creation anyways...

The Cornell Wisdom mini was fantastic. I'd like to see him take over New Excalibur, b/c I really can't see Wisdom shipping over to Astonishing. And I would prefer to see Beast stay on. And of course, Kitty needs to stay. Ellis writes her fantastically.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Yes. I take it back. Kitty and Peter need to stay, Wisdom needs to join, and Pryde and Wisom need to re-hook up! As for Beast, I started reading comics about the same time that Hawkeye quit (Avengers 108?) and there was no new X-Men material. I read the Beast's solo book and then he became an Avenger so in my heart, Hank McCoy will always be an Avenger first, X-Man second. I'd love him in Mighty Avengers. Cho would draw him amazingly and think of the headaches the Hank and Simon team could give Ms Marvel!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yes. I take it back. Kitty and Peter need to stay, Wisdom needs to join, and Pryde and Wisom need to re-hook up! As for Beast, I started reading comics about the same time that Hawkeye quit (Avengers 108?) and there was no new X-Men material. I read the Beast's solo book and then he became an Avenger so in my heart, Hank McCoy will always be an Avenger first, X-Man second. I'd love him in Mighty Avengers. Cho would draw him amazingly and think of the headaches the Hank and Simon team could give Ms Marvel!

I :heart: Beast as an Avenger. And you're right, I would LOVE to see him over in the Avengers. He and Simon make an awesome duo. Just as long as Beast is used somewhere, I'm happy.

[marco19]

so the x-men panel will be quite interesting on sunday afternoon.....uncanny has lost larocca on pencils and mike carey lost both his pencilers......theres a rumor floating around that x-men is canceled and uncanny jumps to 24+ issues a year with Mike CArey writing.....also where might JRJR end up....hes got Millars 4 issue kick ass series for the end of the year...but hes not on spidey it would be cool to see him return to the x-men again

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I honestly won't miss Larroca or Ramos but in the roundtable Bachalo says he will be back. And aren't there too many popular X-Men to have one team featured semi-monthly? I've been actually thinking there should even be another X-Men series, marrying Avengers and X-Men lines. What would people think of an Initiative title, maybe the team officially for Massachusetts since it's not that far from Westchester, where it's half Avengers characters and half classic X-Men? You'd get the best of both worlds.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I honestly won't miss Larroca or Ramos but in the roundtable Bachalo says he will be back. And aren't there too many popular X-Men to have one team featured semi-monthly? I've been actually thinking there should even be another X-Men series, marrying Avengers and X-Men lines. What would people think of an Initiative title, maybe the team officially for Massachusetts since it's not that far from Westchester, where it's half Avengers characters and half classic X-Men? You'd get the best of both worlds.

well, Naturally Beast would have to be on the team, and maybe Ms. Marvel (because of her Binary ties to Starjammers - hell, throw Hepzibah onto the team, too). And of course, Beast needs Simon.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Another thought: I think we can assume 99% of the X-Men are de facto registered and also meet Initiative standards but what about the New X-Men? I wouldn't mind seeing a group from the Initiative stop by to observe and approve of the training methods. It'd even be cool to see the kids visit Camp Hammond for some testing and training there as well.

[Kefky]

Man, I can't believe Bachalo's leaving x-men... I was really hoping he was gonna put his stamp on these characters this time... *sigh*

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Bachalo's own words from Newsarama:

"Spidey was barely on mind when Andy Schmidt, my editor on X-Men, mentioned to me the idea of working on Amazing. He shared with me that Marvel was shuffling their publishing schedule, that they were going to be rotating artists on Amazing, and that we had a little time between X-Men arcs. That, maybe, I'd be a nice fit for an arc."

"I'm really not sure how I fit into all of that. I'm not under the impression that I'll be working on the book beyond the three issues that I've been asked to do, that I'll be continuing to spend time with the X-Men. I've a very large crossover ahead of me on that title. After I wrap Amazing #555 this weekend I'll be going back on X-Men for three issues for the crossover and then I'll back on Amazing to wrap my arc on that book. After that, I'm not 100% sure where I'll land as the X-Men publishing line up is being modified as are the creative teams."

"Really, because I'll be on the book a short time its unrealistic to think that I can I'll have any kind of huge impact on the franchise or direction of the book..."

This doesn't sound like the words of a man who wants to leave the X-Men books. Heck, he seems to go out of his way to say he's not ditching them...

[Kefky]

Yea, I read that. But there's really no way he could draw two books a month when he can't even draw one properly. Either he's leaving, or he'll be drawing the x-men again once in a blue moon.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The way they make the production schedule sound, Chris got or is getting his Spider-Book done while Ramos was or is crayoning his turn on Adjectiveless.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

The SDCC X-Men panel:

http://www.newsarama.com/Comic-Con_07/Marvel/X-Men.html

[Eric Williams]

I find it so strange that that Silvestri cover will go on X-Factor. Seems like Bizarro-World. However, I'm really intrigued to see how Messiah Complex unfolds. The X-Franchise really needs a hit like this to give it a more defined direction.

[Matthew Brown]

Cool new developments in X-Factor. Most excited about X-Man mentions and hints in the new part of Endangered Species... Though it will probably amount to nothing.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Some random questions I have from reading this week's X-books...

1) What the fuck did Dazzler do in Ultimate X-Men 85? Did I miss the explanation? There wasn't even a hint of explaining and no foreshadowing that we'd learn about it later. Does Ultimate Dazzler even have to convert sound into light like the 616 version? Still, it's the best issue of the series by Kirkman since I started reading this title.

B) Does it seem to anyone else that the better Exiles gets (and this is the best post-Winick issue yet) that New Excalibur gets worse? I'm hoping the rumors that Paul Cornell will take over writing this book are true 'cause I like most of the characters. That said, I will drop this book after I see how they get out of this storytelling mess if Claremont will still be writing it.

III) Who else was cheering on Nicole in X-Factor? Didn't see that one coming.

4) What's the point of stating Rictor is bi then just give him a girlfriend? Or friend with benefits might be the better way to describe it.

E) Omega Flight: Thank god it's over. Message to Marvel: I was only buying this issue to see how it tied up. Please do not give me more of this team by these creators.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Cool new developments in X-Factor. Most excited about X-Man mentions and hints in the new part of Endangered Species... Though it will probably amount to nothing.

The ES backup has made me very happy.

bring back Nate Grey!!!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I just read this at the bottom of the Newsarama article on the X-Men Panel: 'Fans should look to Summer 2008 for the 616 Magik to be present again.' Dream come true, buds. Dream come true.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I just read this at the bottom of the Newsarama article on the X-Men Panel: 'Fans should look to Summer 2008 for the 616 Magik to be present again.' Dream come true, buds. Dream come true.

:rock:

[Vonn Hennigar]

Solicits for November. Minus New Excalibur,Exiles (What's going on here?) Ultimate X-Men and Astonishing X-Men naturally.

UNCANNY X-MEN #492
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Penciled by BILLY TAN
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by MARC SILVESTRI
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 2 of 13

The biggest mutant event in a decade continues here! Following the Messiah Complex one-shot, the X-Men scramble to search for the missing mutant newborn. But they’ll need to tackle the Acolytes before they get any answers.

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-FACTOR #25
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 3 of 13

X-Factor Investigations joins the search for the missing mutant baby! Rictor infiltrates the Purifiers’ church in hopes of learning what they know about the kidnapping, but the secrets he uncovers surpass his wildest nightmares. Meanwhile, Madrox and Layla visit Forge and learn the terrible truth about the future of mutantkind.

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

NEW X-MEN #44
Written by CHRISTOPHER YOST & CRAIG KYLE
Penciled by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J.SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMLPEX – PART 4 of 13

The New X-Men have been ordered to remain at the mansion while the more experienced teams search for the abducted mutant baby. But the last generation of mutants isn’t content on the sidelines, launching a sneak attack on the Purifiers instead. But have they confronted an enemy that’s out of their league?

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-MEN #205
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J.SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 5 of 13

The X-Men versus the Marauders! A rematch of the unforgettable fight from X-Men #200. But will the battle turn in favor of the X-Men this time? Not if Sinister can help it. Layla and Madrox continue their mission to uncover the truth of mutant extinction, friends become foes to the X-Men at the worst time possible, and whereabouts of the baby are revealed at last.

32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

WOLVERINE #59
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM
Art by HOWARD CHAYKIN
Cover by ARTHUR SUYDAM
‘LOGAN DIES,” Part 3

Wolverine's dead! And if he's going to have any chance at life, he's going to have to kill... Wolverine?! The battle of Logan's life -- literally -- is brought to you by the critically-acclaimed team of Marc Guggenheim and Howard Chaykin.

32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$2.99

WOLVERINE: ORIGINS #19
Written by DANIEL WAY
Art by STEVE DILLON
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
“Our War,” Part 4 (of 5)

Logan, Captain America, Bucky and Nick Fury continue their assault on
Baron Von Strucker’s stronghold…but whose side is Logan really on? One
of the most requested stories in Marvel history rolls on, giving readers
not only the details of the first meeting between Captain America and
Wolverine, but also an insight into the first time Wolverine realizes
that he, like Captain America, has the power to change his own destiny.
But will he?

32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$2.99

X-MEN: DIE BY THE SWORD #3 (of 5)
Written by Chris Claremont
Penciled by Juan Santacruz
Cover by JELENA KEVIC DJURDJEVIC

As Roma’s forces are swarmed by the evil Jaspers and his army of Furies, the Exiles struggle to help the gravely injured Captain Britain. A decision to enlist the help of an unlikely ally may be the heroes’ only hope for victory! And the reunion of Longshot and Dazzler goes horribly wrong.

32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

X-MEN: EMPEROR VULCAN #3 (of 5)
Written by CHRISTOPHER YOST
Penciled by PACO DIAZ
Cover by BILLY TAN

Havok and the Starjammers' world is turned upside down as they're forced to help Vulcan in his war against the enemies of the Shi'ar Empire. What horrifying secret of the Scy'ar Tal would make Havok join forces with his brother? And the question isn't IF Vulcan will betray the X-Men... it's WHEN.

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

CABLE & DEADPOOL #47
Written by FABIAN NICIEZA
Penciled by RON LIM
Cover by SKOTTIE YOUNG

Could DEADPOOL's recent actions be responsible for unleashing the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on Earth?

Can the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak keep DEADPOOL's mouth shut? Will BOB, Agent of Hydra, sprout flame on his head and become the new Dread Dormammu? Shall DR. STRANGE truly suffer through an entire issue dragging our reluctant heroes through mystic realms? The answers are Yes, No, Maybe, Most Likely, but not necessarily in that order. And in a stunning escalation to our simmering sub-plot, CABLE is still dead!

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #6
Written by JEFF PARKER
Penciled by ROGER CRUZ
Cover by ERIC NGUYEN

"Hey Cyclops, you seen my powers anywhere?"

"Naw."

"Ay-ay, where my wings go at?"

"Dag, I'm all havin' to lift up my coffee with my HANDS, yo."

"Dang. We cold done lost our powerz."

32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Solicits for November. Minus New Excalibur,Exiles (What's going on here?)

Well, New Excalibur has a new creative team coming on, and I'm hoping the same can be said for Exiles.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

And in a stunning escalation to our simmering sub-plot, CABLE is still dead!

:lol:

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Was anyone else surprised when they read things by MArvel staffers online and realized Cable was supposed to really be dead? I read the issue in question and never felt he was in jeapordy much less injured or even killed. :mistrust:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was anyone else surprised when they read things by MArvel staffers online and realized Cable was supposed to really be dead? I read the issue in question and never felt he was in jeapordy much less injured or even killed. :mistrust:

Well, I know that they wanted to make it look like he'd been killed, but there's no fucking way that he actually is dead. And all the characters are supposed to believe him dead, too.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Was anyone else surprised when they read things by MArvel staffers online and realized Cable was supposed to really be dead? I read the issue in question and never felt he was in jeapordy much less injured or even killed. :mistrust:

Couldn't agree more. Not once while reading X-Men # 200 did i think Cable was dead or seriously hurt in any way.

I just thought he decided to retreat in the face of Gambit and Sunfire to fight again.

Even now i'm not sure if he's even supposed to be dead. (Even in the comics you know Captain America will return someday type of way either)

[Lanowar]

Couldn't agree more. Not once while reading X-Men # 200 did i think Cable was dead or seriously hurt in any way.

I just thought he decided to retreat in the face of Gambit and Sunfire to fight again.

Even now i'm not sure if he's even supposed to be dead. (Even in the comics you know Captain America will return someday type of way either)

It was annoying when at one of the more recent panels they hyped Carey up as "The Man who killed Cable" because clearly no one had a clue. I remember hearing the artist for the issue of Cable & Deadpool that expands upon #200 saying when he read 200 even he was like.

"Wait? He's Dead?"

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Wow. I waited months for this crap? Astonishing 22 is easily the worst issue of the Whedon run and as not its biggest fan to begin with, that's saying a lot. Was it me or did absolutely fucking nothing advance in this issue? Oh sure, Lockheed was outed, Kitty and Peter had more icky sex, and we found out that Danger's name should be Trouble instead but that justifies holding this cast hostage? No wonder the new X-Editor decided to let Carey use these characters in his book finally. There at least we see them do things and their actions have consequence. Who cares if a newly created generic alien world has problems? Yes, the dialog is 87% fantastic but that alone can't carry a book for me. The dialog has to be framed by something that matters and this little vanity project has pretty much used up the tiny little patience I had left. AARGH!

How long until next issue comes out?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, it was the best issue, but I didn't think it was that horrible. I gave it a 7/10. It was fairly solid, but verrrrrryyyyyyy slow.
Some great one-liners by Beast greatly upped my appreciation for the issue, I should say.

[Kefky]

It doesn't even look like the next issue will be coming out this year, since it didn't show up in the november solicits....

With this and runaways also vanishing from existence, I don't know what the hell's going with Whedon.

[YouStayClassy]

Wow. I waited months for this crap? Astonishing 22 is easily the worst issue of the Whedon run and as not its biggest fan to begin with, that's saying a lot. Was it me or did absolutely fucking nothing advance in this issue? Oh sure, Lockheed was outed, Kitty and Peter had more icky sex, and we found out that Danger's name should be Trouble instead but that justifies holding this cast hostage? No wonder the new X-Editor decided to let Carey use these characters in his book finally. There at least we see them do things and their actions have consequence. Who cares if a newly created generic alien world has problems? Yes, the dialog is 87% fantastic but that alone can't carry a book for me. The dialog has to be framed by something that matters and this little vanity project has pretty much used up the tiny little patience I had left. AARGH!

How long until next issue comes out?

Yeah..... it wasn't pretty.

BUT how was the Peter/Kitty sex icky?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

It doesn't even look like the next issue will be coming out this year, since it didn't show up in the november solicits....

With this and runaways also vanishing from existence, I don't know what the hell's going with Whedon.

Damn. That's a damn shame. I want to get this run over with so we can move on and see what Ellis can do.
As for Runaways, I couldn't care less. I dropped it one issue into Whedon's run. ;)

[Kefky]

Yeah..... it wasn't pretty.

BUT how was the Peter/Kitty sex icky?

AAAAAAAH, GHOST!!!! :Panic:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah..... it wasn't pretty.

BUT how was the Peter/Kitty sex icky?

Yeah, I'd imagine sex with Kitty to be pretty hawt. :heybaby:

Unless she turns intangible when she orgasms. That could be a painful thrust, at that point.

[YouStayClassy]

AAAAAAAH, GHOST!!!! :Panic:

Boo-guh-boo!

[YouStayClassy]

Yeah, I'd imagine sex with Kitty to be pretty hawt. :heybaby:




:cool:

You should totally board search my Ultimate Spider-Man Kitty fanfic ideas. They're SO not acceptable for anyone sane or decent!

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

I can't stand Colossus. Never have, never will. The sole reason for his being revived was so that scene from last issue and this one (both of which have made me glad I was already gay before I read them) could happen. I preferred the other Peter with Kitty. Maybe Ellis can revisit that when he takes over. After all, Kitty's now had the chance to see what she missed by not bedding Rasputin before he died. Now she can move on to a character better suited to her.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

You should totally board search my Ultimate Spider-Man Kitty fanfic ideas. They're SO not acceptable for anyone sane or decent!

:thumb:

[Kefky]

Boo-guh-boo!

Finally took my advice and stole someone's computer, didn't ya? :heybaby:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I can't stand Colossus. Never have, never will. The sole reason for his being revived was so that scene from last issue and this one (both of which have made me glad I was already gay before I read them) could happen. I preferred the other Peter with Kitty. Maybe Ellis can revisit that when he takes over. After all, Kitty's now had the chance to see what she missed by not bedding Rasputin before he died. Now she can move on to a character better suited to her.

On one hand, I want Ellis to bring Wisdom to this book, on the other hand I want Wisdom to stay with NExcalibur, since Cornell is coming on that book and he knocked the Wisdom mini out of the park.

[YouStayClassy]

Finally took my advice and stole someone's computer, didn't ya? :heybaby:

I'm still walking the path of light unfortunately. :(

I'm borrowing a friend's ULTRA crappy laptop right now. Ironically enough, it's lightning again right now.

[Kefky]

I'm still walking the path of light unfortunately. :(

I'm borrowing a friend's ULTRA crappy laptop right now. Ironically enough, it's lightning again right now.

When will you learn that extreme measures must be taken sometimes? :no:

[Ryan F]

It doesn't even look like the next issue will be coming out this year, since it didn't show up in the november solicits....


23 is still on the schedule for next month. It's 24 (the last issue) that hasn't been solicited yet.

I loved 22. Tons happened, the dialogue was great, and there was a shocking ending.

Also, X-Men 202 was also excellent (minus the art) and had a ton of great continuity references. Messiah CompleX is apparently tying together every dangling plotline and featuring every x-villain possible. Exodus, Mystique and Sinister are teamed up for something... and Magneto's in the mix too. Crazy.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

The thing I dislike about the back ups is they're not really going any further back then Age Of Apocalypse. What about that serum Hank used onhimself to mutate his mutation. Wikipedia sums it up as 'Hank isolates a "hormonal extract" that allows anyone to become a mutant for a short period of time'. Wouldn't that be a valuable tool? Or what about the genetic stimulator that Mesmero and Machinesmith used on Lorna Dane? The back ups just seem ill researched to me, since the Beast's actions are hardly shocking in light of the fact he collaborated with Mister Sinister in the process of finding a cure for the Legacy Virus.

Oh and I almost missed the fact that Vargas was killed. Cool.

[Ryan F]

The thing I dislike about the back ups is they're not really going any further back then Age Of Apocalypse. What about that serum Hank used onhimself to mutate his mutation. Wikipedia sums it up as 'Hank isolates a "hormonal extract" that allows anyone to become a mutant for a short period of time'. Wouldn't that be a valuable tool? Or what about the genetic stimulator that Mesmero and Machinesmith used on Lorna Dane? The back ups just seem ill researched to me, since the Beast's actions are hardly shocking in light of the fact he collaborated with Mister Sinister in the process of finding a cure for the Legacy Virus.

Oh and I almost missed the fact that Vargas was killed. Cool.

Alamagordo was pre-AoA - not by a lot though. Maybe they're afraid to get into silver age psuedosciencey stuff. There also aren't as many dangling plotthreads before the mid-80s.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Wolverine # 56 was the fucking Cat's Pajamas.

Seriously, the best issue of Wolverine in a long time. (And i loved Mark Millar and Marc Guggenheims prior runs)

Jason Aaron was the fill-in writer and if this book is any indication of his skills he's going to be BIG. Plus Howard Chaykin continues to bring his A-Game (Blade how i miss you already :( )

Go fucking read it now!

Astonishing X-Men meanwhile continues to kick ass, but i'll agree i couldn't give 2 shits about the Breakworld and at this point i just don't want to see anyone die before Joss Whedon and John Cassaday move on. I don't know what the hell Cyclop's is thinking though with this "plot" of his :? Maybe it's all an Emma Frost illusion or something?

X-Men # 202 continues it's strong run as of late and i'm actually loving Humberto Ramos stuff here. Still pissed at this horrible Cable's dead storyline though. (If he is, this is the WORST death of all-time anywhere period) The evil Gambit storyline is the pits too since it doesn't make a lick of sense but i'll try to be patient with that one.

[NickT]

Not got Astonishing yet, but X-Men was really good once more. Never read much of him, but I'm really digging Carey's Cannonball. Plus, the scene with the Kitty hug was gold :D

[Magnum V.I.]

[
X-Men # 202 continues it's strong run as of late and i'm actually loving Humberto Ramos stuff here. Still pissed at this horrible Cable's dead storyline though. (If he is, this is the WORST death of all-time anywhere period) The evil Gambit storyline is the pits too since it doesn't make a lick of sense but i'll try to be patient with that one.

he didn't do that. Whoever was before Brubaker did that to him by turning him into Death.

[Vonn Hennigar]

he didn't do that. Whoever was before Brubaker did that to him by turning him into Death.

Yes, i know. Peter Milligan's final arc.

That entire plotline is the drizzling shits and i don't buy it for a second. Since unlike say Archangel they've given no indication that he's been basically brainwashed/whatever.

He's just evil.

Shamefully bad so far.

[Magnum V.I.]

Yes, i know. Peter Milligan's final arc.

That entire plotline is the drizzling shits and i don't buy it for a second. Since unlike say Archangel they've given no indication that he's been basically brainwashed/whatever.

He's just evil.

Shamefully bad so far.

Well...Apocalypse sort of did fuck him up and Sinister is pulling his strings again.

[Kefky]

Honestly, how awesome is it that Carey can reference shitload of obscure and confusing continuity in 22 pages and still write a pretty accessible book for new readers?

Marvel needs to strap this guy to a chair in the x-office and never let him go.

[NickT]

Honestly, how awesome is it that Carey can reference shitload of obscure and confusing continuity in 22 pages and still write a pretty accessible book for new readers?

Marvel needs to strap this guy to a chair in the x-office and never let him go.
I didn't realise he referenced much at all :)

[Vonn Hennigar]

Well...Apocalypse sort of did fuck him up and Sinister is pulling his strings again.

Didn't Gambit volunteer to become Death for some stupid ass reason though?

Then his skin turned black and we get this abomination.

Sunfire i can understand a bit more since well he's Sunfire thus an asshole. Plus he lost his damn legs!!!

That would fuck anyone up a bit.

[Magnum V.I.]

Didn't Gambit volunteer to become Death for some stupid ass reason though?

Then his skin turned black and we get this abomination.

Sunfire i can understand a bit more since well he's Sunfire thus an asshole. Plus he lost his damn legs!!!

That would fuck anyone up a bit.

From what I understand Gambit volunteered so no other X-Men would be turned and so he could keep an eye on Apocalypse. However he got corrupted with all that power and decided to give in to his dark side or some dumb shit reason.

[Vonn Hennigar]

From what I understand Gambit volunteered so no other X-Men would be turned and so he could keep an eye on Apocalypse. However he got corrupted with all that power and decided to give in to his dark side or some dumb shit reason.

That entire run is all but stricken from my mind. Didn't Apocalyspe set up a blood clinic or something?

Bah! I can't believe i actually liked that arc not too long ago. But i was just so damn happy to see a GASP... Villain!!!! show up my brain betrayed me.

[Magnum V.I.]

That entire run is all but stricken from my mind. Didn't Apocalyspe set up a blood clinic or something?

Bah! I can't believe i actually liked that arc not too long ago. But i was just so damn happy to see a GASP... Villain!!!! show up my brain betrayed me.

Well I have no care for Gambit really. He's a loser character and I hope he dies a horrible death.

i wish he died with Rogue in Xtreme X-Men. That was awesome.

[Cardinal Braxiatel]

Yeah. I agree on Gambit, seeing as he makes up one of the three X-Men I've never been able to stand. Charming villain, I can take. Charming roguish hero and the force fed relationship with Rogue, ugh. I'd rather see icky Colossus and Shadowcat sex scenes...

[The Jack Rabbitt]

X-Men solicits for December:

ASTONISHING X-MEN #24
Written by JOSS WHEDON
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
“UNSTOPPABLE”
Everything, from #1 to now, comes down to this. Things will change. One will not return. This is the end. Or is it? Part 6 (of 6)
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

UNCANNY X-MEN #493
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Penciled by BILLY TAN
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by JIM CHEUNG
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 6
Battered by Sinister, the X-Men retreat to the mansion to lick their wounds. But in the war for the future of mutantkind, the battle never ends. The school is overrun by a mysterious new player who enlists one of the X-Men’s oldest foes. And when Cyclops learns who has the baby, he’s forced to make a tough decision.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-FACTOR #26
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 7
A squad of X-Men track the mutant baby and its captor. But they’re not alone in the hunt. Layla Miller and Madrox explore the future and learn the terrible fate of mutants. And Predator X claims another victim. And who is that woman with the finger claws?!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

NEW X-MEN #45
Written by CHRISTOPHER YOST & CRAIG KYLE
Penciled by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 8
A three way melee erupts over the baby! Some want to kill it, some want to save it, and when the dust settles, not everyone is left standing. Meanwhile, Layla Miller and Madrox gather clues while Madrox Prime slips deeper into his coma.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-MEN #206
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 9
Layla Miller and Madrox make a startling discovery but their chances of escape appear bleak. The hunt for the baby continues as the casualties mount and a shocking turn of events reveals a traitor!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

MARVEL SPOTLIGHT: X-MEN – MESSIAH COMPLEX
Written by JOHN RHETT THOMAS
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
After the repercussions borne of House of M, the mutant universe faced its most dire challenge in a landscape sundered by the Decimation. As the mutant population dwindled and external threats multiplied, the mutant community, led by the X-Men, has seen better days. It's about to get worse. After doing their best to weather the storms that have rocked the other parts of the Marvel Universe, mutants now face the events of MESSIAH COMPLEX, which will bring the ramifications of "No More Mutants" to a resounding climax. Marvel Spotlight will be essential reading for fans to get up to speed on the creators and comics involved in this multi-title event, with insightful writer and artist interviews, plus a look back at other classic eras of X-Men.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

X-MEN: MESSIAH COMPLEX - MUTANT FILES
Written by ERIC J. MOREELS, CHAD ANDERSON, STUART VANDAL, DAVID WILTFONG, SEAN MCQUAID, CHRIS BIGGS, MICHAEL HOSKIN, MIKE FICHERA, RONALD BYRD & MADISON CARTER
Cover by SCOTT KOLINS
What's up with that whole Phoenix/Jean Grey business? Is Illyana Rasputin really back from the dead? Why can’t the Shi’Ar and the Starjammers just get along? And what the heck is a Predator X? Find out in X-MEN: MESSIAH COMPLEX MUTANT FILES – featuring profiles on teams like X-Factor Investigations, the New X-Men, the Exiles and Excalibur; new friends and foes such as Darwin, Armor, Anole, Korvus, Daken and Kimura; plus Cassandra Nova, Selene, Trish Tilby, the Savage Land Mutates, Mammomax, the Marauders and even a bonus X-Men Roster Update!
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

WOLVERINE #60
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM
Art by HOWARD CHAYKIN
Cover by ARTHUR SUYDAM
"LOGAN DIES,” Part 3
Scimitar, the newest super-criminal organization in the Marvel Universe, went after Wolverine and killed his girlfriend and, shockingly, him. Now Wolverine's back and he's out for blood. The last time Wolverine went on a Vendetta, it was a commercial and critical smash. Just wait 'til you see what happens now! Marc (Wolverine: Vendetta) Guggenheim reunites with his Blade collaborator, the industry legend Howard Chaykin, for the most shocking Wolverine story ever!
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$2.99

WOLVERINE: ORIGINS #20
Written by DANIEL WAY
Art by STEVE DILLON
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
“Our War,” Part 5 (of 5)
The epic WWII storyline comes to its chilling and tragic conclusion as Wolverine and Captain America part ways, taking their first steps down the paths they will follow for the next sixty years — one to his death and one back to where he began.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$2.99

WOLVERINE: FIREBREAK ONE-SHOT
Written by MIKE CAREY
Art and Cover by SCOTT KOLINS
A brand-new, stand-alone story by X-MEN’s Mike Carey and OMEGA FLIGHT’s Scott Kolins! Everyone knows that Wolverine is an expert tracker, but what about when he’s been blinded? The fighting Canadian must lead a vacationing family out of the woods, using only his 4 remaining senses and the help of that same family. Things get more complicated, however, with a visit from Advanced Idea Mechanics. Also, as an added bonus: a special back-up story by Macon Blair (24Seven) and Vasilis Lolos (Pirates of Coney Island).
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

EXILES #100
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Pencils & Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
Adios, Exiles! They’ve left their footprints across the multiverse for a hundred issues, but what threat will make Blink and Co. close up shop for good? It’s not what you expect! And what’s this we hear about an all NEW EXILES…Also! Re-presenting the classic Exiles #1 by Judd Winnick and Mike McKone!
64 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

X-MEN: DIE BY THE SWORD #4 & #5 (of 5)
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by JUAN ROMAN CANO SANTACRUZ& CAFU
Cover by JELENA DJURDJEVIC
Cap is back! No, not that one. Captain Britain returns, but he may be too late to prevent casualties amongst the Exiles and Excalibur as the true threat to all that is stands revealed! Good thing the Captain has brought along a few old friends…Don’t miss the shocking end of the crossover that sets up the Exiles series finale!
32 PGS. (EACH)/Rated A …$2.99 (EACH)

X-MEN: EMPEROR VULCAN #4 (of 5)
Written by CHRISTOPHER YOST Penciled by PACO DIAZ LUQUE
Cover by BILLY TAN
It's super-powered space warfare as Polaris leads the Starjammers and the Imperial Guard into battle, while Havok and Vulcan face off against a villain who is way out of their league. And will Marvel Girl's personal vendetta against the Shi'Ar cause her to do the unthinkable? It's the penultimate chapter as the situation goes from “horrible” to “end of all that is.”
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

CABLE & DEADPOOL #48
Written by FABIAN NICIEZA
Penciled by REILLY BROWN
Cover by SKOTTIE YOUNG
With his best pal gone, Deadpool continues his trek through time and space, spreading friendship and mercenary whoop-@$$ throughout the cosmos. After concluding his mysterious mission for Dr. Strange, Deadpool finds himself in the middle of a Louisiana swamp, confronted by He-Who-Has-Died-Twice, the Master of All Reptiles himself, BROTHER VOODOO. What shenanigans await these two? Find out in “Alone Again, Naturally” part 6!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #7
Written by JEFF PARKER
Penciled by JULIA BAX
Cover by ERIC NGUYEN
“Huh. We done got our powers back.”
“Ayep.”
“But they’re outta control.”
“Ayep.”
“Guess we’re gonna be breakin’ a buncha stuff.”
“Dag.”
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Looks like Exiles is getting cancelled, and then relaunched with the overused NEW qualifier in the title.

[Magnum V.I.]

Yep...#100 is the end for Exiles :(


At least they're reprinting Issue 1. Man....so many good comics to come from Winnick in that run.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yep...#100 is the end for Exiles :(


At least they're reprinting Issue 1. Man....so many good comics to come from Winnick in that run.

I think I'm going to have to hop back and board and finish out the series. Just to have the complete run.

And I'm hoping that Winick returns for the relaunch.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Layla Miller and Jamie Madrox's big roles in Messiah Complex have me excited.

Love those two.

[Magnum V.I.]

I think I'm going to have to hop back and board and finish out the series. Just to have the complete run.

And I'm hoping that Winick returns for the relaunch.

Oh dude, Winick on the Relaunch would be fucking awesome! But isn't he DC Exclusive?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Oh dude, Winick on the Relaunch would be fucking awesome! But isn't he DC Exclusive?

Don't know.
I don't care; I want him on this book!

[Magnum V.I.]

Don't know.
I don't care; I want him on this book!

me too. He made Tj and T-Bird my favorite characters. And Claremont has ruined Nocturne. :cry:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

me too. He made Tj and T-Bird my favorite characters. And Claremont has ruined Nocturne. :cry:

He sure has. It makes me sad, too.

[Magnum V.I.]

He sure has. It makes me sad, too.

I'll be glad when those books turn out better.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'll be glad when those books turn out better.

For sure. I hate to say it, but it's far past time that they got rid of Claremont.

[Vonn Hennigar]

I'm actually disappointed that they're considering re-launching Exiles.

It's had a great 100 issue run but the concept is tired and the book is so far under the radar, why bother anymore?

The X-Books need to focus on their core line and at least TRY to wrest the number 1 franchise title back from the Avengers.

[joeAR]

I'm actually disappointed that they're considering re-launching Exiles.

It's had a great 100 issue run but the concept is tired and the book is so far under the radar, why bother anymore?

The X-Books need to focus on their core line and at least TRY to wrest the number 1 franchise title back from the Avengers.


I wholeheartedly agree with this.

[Magnum V.I.]

I'm actually disappointed that they're considering re-launching Exiles.

It's had a great 100 issue run but the concept is tired and the book is so far under the radar, why bother anymore?

The X-Books need to focus on their core line and at least TRY to wrest the number 1 franchise title back from the Avengers.

I agree. I'd like to see it get canned if only because the interest isn't there anymore. I wouldn't mind it coming back as random mini's every now and then.

They are over saturating the market with X-Titles again.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm actually disappointed that they're considering re-launching Exiles.

It's had a great 100 issue run but the concept is tired and the book is so far under the radar, why bother anymore?

The X-Books need to focus on their core line and at least TRY to wrest the number 1 franchise title back from the Avengers.

Agreed. Exiles does not need a relaunch. I'm happy to see it close shop.

[joeAR]

I believe that there should only be these X-Books after everything is said and done:

Astonishing should do it's own thing

The main X-Books should be:
Uncanny
X-Factor
New X-Men


The "side" X-Books:
X-Force
Excalibur
Cable

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Why the fuck is everyone so ready to can adjectiveless X-Men?

[Magnum V.I.]

Why the fuck is everyone so ready to can adjectiveless X-Men?

I'm not! I just ant Excalibur and Exiles to bite it really. they serve no purpose in my opinion.

[joeAR]

Why the fuck is everyone so ready to can adjectiveless X-Men?


I'm loving what Carrey's doing with the book but I personally believe that if one of the main X-Books has to go it should be the "newest" one(Astonishing's not going anywhere)

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm not! I just ant Excalibur and Exiles to bite it really. they serve no purpose in my opinion.

Six months ago, I would've been behind canning NExcalibur, too. But I can't help but be excited for Cornell's run.

[Magnum V.I.]

Six months ago, I would've been behind canning NExcalibur, too. But I can't help but be excited for Cornell's run.

NExcalibur is the gayest name I have ever heard. it should get the Axe just for that.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I'm loving what Carrey's doing with the book but I personally believe that if one of the main X-Books has to go it should be the "newest" one(Astonishing's not going anywhere)

I just hate the idea of canning a book that has been around for fifteen years. But that's the collector/completionist in me, I suppose. And the book has been rocking. I would much rather get rid of Astonishing or New X-Men.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

NExcalibur is the gayest name I have ever heard. it should get the Axe just for that.

heh. i've been waiting for someone to comment on that since I started using that abbreviation.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Amen, i love X-Men plus it's been running since 1991. Hell i still remember picking up that fabled first Chris Claremont/Jim Lee classic way back when.

My X-Book List would be something like...

Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
New X-Men
X-Force
Excalibur
Wolverine
Wolverine : Origins
Ultimate X-Men
X-Men : First Class

which admittedly is pretty similar to what's actually coming. I'd add Cable to X-Force naturally, while Cable & Deadpool,New Excalibur and Exiles and uh the upcoming Cable get the axe.

[joeAR]

I just hate the idea of canning a book that has been around for fifteen years. But that's the collector/completionist in me, I suppose. And the book has been rocking. I would much rather get rid of Astonishing or New X-Men.


Astonishg sells way too much plus Marvel has already announced that Ellis and Bionche are taking over that book. New X-Men is easily one of my favorite books out there right now so I really don't want to see it go(It was bad enough when Marvel announced that Cable/Deadpool was cancelled, still hoping that Deadpool winds up in X-Factor)

[Vonn Hennigar]

What is Astonishing X-Men's new name anyway?

I seem to remember Warren Ellis saying it'll be sub-titled with some horrible thing, with a new number 1 i'm sure :(

[Magnum V.I.]

heh. i've been waiting for someone to comment on that since I started using that abbreviation.

And you are correct. Stop using it. It makes me want to murder mutant babies.

[Magnum V.I.]

What is Astonishing X-Men's new name anyway?

I seem to remember Warren Ellis saying it'll be sub-titled with some horrible thing, with a new number 1 i'm sure :(

Second Stage.

And yeah, it's a new number 1 so Whedon can have his own self contained title done with.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Amen, i love X-Men plus it's been running since 1991. Hell i still remember picking up that fabled first Chris Claremont/Jim Lee classic way back when.

My X-Book List would be something like...

Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
New X-Men
X-Force
Excalibur
Wolverine
Wolverine : Origins
Ultimate X-Men
X-Men : First Class

which admittedly is pretty similar to what's actually coming. I'd add Cable to X-Force naturally, while Cable & Deadpool,New Excalibur and Exiles and uh the upcoming Cable get the axe.

That list looks pretty good to me. Though my overwhelming dislike for Wolverine makes me want to will those books out of existence, but I know it'll never happen. And I'm still pissed that they're canning C&D

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Astonishg sells way too much plus Marvel has already announced that Ellis and Bionche are taking over that book. New X-Men is easily one of my favorite books out there right now so I really don't want to see it go(It was bad enough when Marvel announced that Cable/Deadpool was cancelled, still hoping that Deadpool winds up in X-Factor)

I don't want to see either of those books go, either. But if by some bizarre occurrence it came down between those two and X-Men, I would off those two in a heartbeat.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Second Stage.

And yeah, it's a new number 1 so Whedon can have his own self contained title done with.

That can't be the actual name, can it? Astonishing X-Men: Second Stage? Am I understanding this correctly?

That's just silly. Give it a new adjective or something, instead.

[joeAR]

That can't be the actual name, can it? Astonishing X-Men: Second Stage? Am I understanding this correctly?

That's just silly. Give it a new adjective or something, instead.


Is it anymore sill than Ultimates 2?

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Is it anymore sill than Ultimates 2?

Yes. I think so, anyway. :-?

[Magnum V.I.]

That can't be the actual name, can it? Astonishing X-Men: Second Stage? Am I understanding this correctly?

That's just silly. Give it a new adjective or something, instead.

According to the Announcement that's the title.

[Matt O.]

That list looks pretty good to me. Though my overwhelming dislike for Wolverine makes me want to will those books out of existence, but I know it'll never happen. And I'm still pissed that they're canning C&D

It's insane, I've never considered Cable & Deadpool an X-Book, anyway.

I bet this means Nicieza goes DC exclusive.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I just read New X-Men 42 and I think the ES backup in this one was the best one yet. I loved it!

[Magnum V.I.]

I just read New X-Men 42 and I think the ES backup in this one was the best one yet. I loved it!

Fucking Unicorns! :rofl:

I loved that issue.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Fucking Unicorns! :rofl:

I loved that issue.

:lol: It really was a great issue.

I just finished X-Men 203 and am about to move onto UXM 491.

[Magnum V.I.]

:lol: It really was a great issue.

I just finished X-Men 203 and am about to move onto UXM 491.

:( I need to read X-Men 203. Soon.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

:( I need to read X-Men 203. Soon.

Why haven't you?


I started reading 100 Bullets trade 4 last night. :rock:

[billthomason]

Hey everyone. Thought this would be a good place to ask.

I dipped my head into the entire Marvel universe, but its just too much for me. But I have always loved the X-men. I've read New X-men (Morrison), House of M, Deadly Genesis, and read both Astonishing and X-Factor currently.

Should I get into Bru's and Carey's books? The Messiah Complex has me very interested. If I did decide to jump in, are the two new HC's (their first respective arcs) the best place to start?

[Fake Pat]

Should I get into Bru's and Carey's books? The Messiah Complex has me very interested. If I did decide to jump in, are the two new HC's (their first respective arcs) the best place to start?

Personally, I don't think Brubaker's is very good. Definitely not worth the full price HC.

I'd recommend Carey's though, if:

You prefer the action stuff over the soap opera stuff.
You have a healthy knowledge of late 80's/early 90's X-mythology.
You don't mind Bachalo/Ramos art.

If so, it's pretty damn good and worth picking up.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Hey everyone. Thought this would be a good place to ask.

I dipped my head into the entire Marvel universe, but its just too much for me. But I have always loved the X-men. I've read New X-men (Morrison), House of M, Deadly Genesis, and read both Astonishing and X-Factor currently.

Should I get into Bru's and Carey's books? The Messiah Complex has me very interested. If I did decide to jump in, are the two new HC's (their first respective arcs) the best place to start?

Carey's and Bru's runs are interesting. Lots of people love them and just as many seem to hate them. People have complained that Bru's opening 12-issue arc was too slow and didn't play to Bru's strengths. I think it was fun. His second arc (which was five issues and just wrapped up today) was better and more along the lines of Bru's 'normal' writing style. Carey's run has had fantastic plotting and storytelling. The majority of complaints about his run have been on the artistic side. The art duties have been handled by Ramos and Bachalo, two art styles that you either love or hate.

You could go and pick up the trades or you could try just stepping in for the big x-over. I'm not sure how accessible the x-over will be, but I imagine it'll be fairly reader friendly. Personally, I say you should grab the trades as I think the work they've both been doing is great (especially Carey).

[billthomason]

Personally, I don't think Brubaker's is very good. Definitely not worth the full price HC.

I'd recommend Carey's though, if:

You prefer the action stuff over the soap opera stuff.
You have a healthy knowledge of late 80's/early 90's X-mythology.
You don't mind Bachalo/Ramos art.

If so, it's pretty damn good and worth picking up.

I know most of the early 90's stuff and am pretty good about late 80's, as thats when I was reading Marvel. I loved Bachalo's art on Generation Next and I actually sorta dig Ramos' style too.

What do you mean by action and soap opera?

[Fake Pat]

I know most of the early 90's stuff and am pretty good about late 80's, as thats when I was reading Marvel. I loved Bachalo's art on Generation Next and I actually sorta dig Ramos' style too.

What do you mean by action and soap opera?

Carey's X-Men is closer to the Authority than the more traditional X-stuff. What character development he puts in there is good, but it's secondary to teh exxxplosions.

Basically, this ain't the book where you're gonna see softball games or Nightcrawler having a pity party.

[billthomason]

Carey's X-Men is closer to the Authority than the more traditional X-stuff. What character development he puts in there is good, but it's secondary to teh exxxplosions.

Basically, this ain't the book where you're gonna see softball games or Nightcrawler having a pity party.

Who is in Carey's X-men?

[Fake Pat]

Who is in Carey's X-men?

Too keep you as spoiler-free as possible, it starts with:

Cable
Rogue
Mystique
Iceman
Cannonball
Sabretooth

But that changes pretty quick. He really makes that not-so-great line-up work too.

[billthomason]

Too keep you as spoiler-free as possible, it starts with:

Cable
Rogue
Mystique
Iceman
Cannonball
Sabretooth

But that changes pretty quick. He really makes that not-so-great line-up work too.

Wow. So who is in Bru's book? Doesn't leave a lot of great characters left.

[Fake Pat]

Wow. So who is in Bru's book? Doesn't leave a lot of great characters left.

uhhh, if I remember right, at the beginning it was:

Warpath
Darwin
Marvel Girl
Havok
Polaris
Nightcrawler (?)

I think that's it.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

uhhh, if I remember right, at the beginning it was:

Warpath
Darwin
Marvel Girl
Havok
Polaris
Nightcrawler (?)

I think that's it.

I think that's right, though you could add Xavier to the list, I suppose.

[billthomason]

Ok. So let's just see if I know enough.

Jean Grey is dead (per Morrison)
Apocalypse is apparently back (or dead again, I might pick up Blood of Apocalypse since I'm a sucker for that character and I heard the Cable Deadpool stuff was pretty excellent)

Do I need any of the Decimation info?
As far as I know, Magneto and Xavier lost their powers along with most others, but Quicksilver can give them back because of the Terregen Mists. Does Layla Miller have a similar power? I can't remember.

[Fake Pat]

I think that's right, though you could add Xavier to the list, I suppose.

Yeah, I was actually just about to edit that in.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Yeah, I was actually just about to edit that in.

:thumb:

[Fake Pat]

Ok. So let's just see if I know enough.

Jean Grey is dead (per Morrison)
Apocalypse is apparently back (or dead again, I might pick up Blood of Apocalypse since I'm a sucker for that character and I heard the Cable Deadpool stuff was pretty excellent)

Do I need any of the Decimation info?
As far as I know, Magneto and Xavier lost their powers along with most others, but Quicksilver can give them back because of the Terregen Mists. Does Layla Miller have a similar power? I can't remember.

You're pretty much dead-on as far a I can tell, and I'd say if you start with the first storylines of either Carey or Bru's runs you'd have basically no problems.

Like I said though, a healthy dose of 90's era stuff will probably make you enjoy some of Carey's more recent stuff.

[billthomason]

You're pretty much dead-on as far a I can tell, and I'd say if you start with the first storylines of either Carey or Bru's runs you'd have basically no problems.

Like I said though, a healthy dose of 90's era stuff will probably make you enjoy some of Carey's more recent stuff.

Yeah, I enjoyed the X-Cutioner's Song, Fatal Attractions, that sort of thing. I read the X-men books pretty religiously back then. So I've been wanting to love them a lot but the writing has never been up to snuff I've heard until recently (especially the potential).

Is Marvel Girl on the new Uncanny the young Rachel Summers from the future? Mother Askani?

[HomerGator]

Thread resurrected!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I miss Cable & Deadpool, already. :cry:

[artimoff]

Do I need any of the Decimation info?
As far as I know, Magneto and Xavier lost their powers along with most others, but Quicksilver can give them back because of the Terregen Mists. Does Layla Miller have a similar power? I can't remember.


Both have their powers back. Magneto got his back in New Avengers: the Colective & Xavier got his back via the M'Krann Crystal at the end of Bru's space story.

Quicksilver nolonger is in posession of the Terregen myst crystals, so he can't give the power back. Layla Miller has no powers beond knowing stuff. (she had fire powers pre-Decimation.)

[HomerGator]

Both have their powers back. Magneto got his back in New Avengers: the Colective & Xavier got his back via the M'Krann Crystal at the end of Bru's space story.

Quicksilver nolonger is in posession of the Terregen myst crystals, so he can't give the power back. Layla Miller has no powers beond knowing stuff. (she had fire powers pre-Decimation.)

When the heck did Layla Miller have fire powers??

[GrandMaster Funk]

Yeah, I enjoyed the X-Cutioner's Song, Fatal Attractions, that sort of thing. I read the X-men books pretty religiously back then. So I've been wanting to love them a lot but the writing has never been up to snuff I've heard until recently (especially the potential).

Is Marvel Girl on the new Uncanny the young Rachel Summers from the future? Mother Askani?


Yup, Rachel took up the name after Jean died.

[iGotKittyPryde]

When the heck did Layla Miller have fire powers??

That was the (I think unsubstationiated) claim of her's in X-Factor. Her former teacher may have confirmed it but at the same time there was something off about her, maybe, too. I'm not sure I buy that Layla isn't lying.

And Magneto doesn't have his powers. Well, actually the last issue of Uncanny said he did, but he was believed to be depowered after M-Day (and believed so himself)

[HomerGator]

That was the (I think unsubstationiated) claim of her's in X-Factor. Her former teacher may have confirmed it but at the same time there was something off about her, maybe, too. I'm not sure I buy that Layla isn't lying.

And Magneto doesn't have his powers. Well, actually the last issue of Uncanny said he did, but he was believed to be depowered after M-Day (and believed so himself)

Somebody didn't read New Avengers: The Collective....

[iGotKittyPryde]

Somebody didn't read New Avengers: The Collective....

No, I did.

But apparently *you* didn't read Ed Brubaker's interviews about him showing up in Uncanny: he's without his powers.

Except for the spoiler I tossed in.

He was just a vessel in The Collective, it didn't mean he had his powers back.

[Kefky]

Mags says he's without his powers. He COULD be lying, of course. Either way, Bendis definitely seemed to imply that they were back. I guess Brubaker had a different idea for him.

[HomerGator]

No, I did.

But apparently *you* didn't read Ed Brubaker's interviews about him showing up in Uncanny: he's without his powers.

Except for the spoiler I tossed in.

He was just a vessel in The Collective, it didn't mean he had his powers back.

You're right, I didn't read the interview with Ed....

However, in the Collective, the entire point of the Collective going to Genosha and finding Magneto was to give him back his powers, so...

Maybe Brubaker didn't read the collective...

[Foggy's Pal]

I am correct that Layla and Jamie will have huge roles in Messiah? Every solicit mentions them, right? If true, couldn't be better news.

[HomerGator]

I am correct that Layla and Jamie will have huge roles in Messiah? Every solicit mentions them, right? If true, couldn't be better news.

Yeah, they seem to be heading up some investigation throughout all the books.

[Foggy's Pal]

Yeah, they seem to be heading up some investigation throughout all the books.

I hope the other writers write them as well as PAD.

[HomerGator]

I hope the other writers write them as well as PAD.

I'm looking forward to seeing Brubaker's take, seeing as how he's really good at the 'noir' type books. Also, Mike Carey should write a good Layla Miller, and I already know he can write a good Madrox, not only from the Endangered Species one-shot, but because the dude's a great writer.

Actually, I'm looking forward to this crossover more than anything else in comics right now, and probably more than anything in a long time (World War Hulk a close second).

[HomerGator]

So the new X-Factor was awesome. I like how Huber has ties to pretty much everything that's happened since the first issue of the series. Cool new villain with cool powers and great motivation. Also, something revealed about mutant powers and Rictor (but not what you'd think).

Endangered Species was decent enough, although it wasn't one of the stronger chapters (other than the art, Andrea Divito is awesome). It makes sense that Hank would want to see what alternate versions of himself were able to accomplish, but it just didn't really do it for me.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

*sits down to read new issue of X-Factor*

[Magnum V.I.]

I have to wait til Friday :(

but Tomorrow is my last day as a Security guard so :D!

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I have to wait til Friday :(

but Tomorrow is my last day as a Security guard so :D!

:( and :boogie:

[Magnum V.I.]

:( and :boogie:

I go to Deputy Academy the 22nd! :boogie:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I go to Deputy Academy the 22nd! :boogie:

:rock:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

My favorite part of the ES backup in X-Factor 24:

seeing Mutant X Beast. :rock:

[HomerGator]

My favorite part of the ES backup in X-Factor 24:

seeing Mutant X Beast. :rock:

Was that the green one with the fins under his arms?

If so, I'm still glad I've never read Mutant X :D

[youdontknowme]

i liked the panther beast and bishop

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was that the green one with the fins under his arms?

If so, I'm still glad I've never read Mutant X :D

Yes. I loved Mutant X

[HomerGator]

Yes. I loved Mutant X

I know you did, I was just taking an unnecessary shot at you :D

Like, FUCK DOUGLOCK!! :D :D

[Eric Williams]

Gah, I'm trade-waiting on all my X-Men titles, including Endangered Species. I'm thinking that that's a big mistake, seeing as Messiah Complex is going to rock.

[HomerGator]

Gah, I'm trade-waiting on all my X-Men titles, including Endangered Species. I'm thinking that that's a big mistake, seeing as Messiah Complex is going to rock.

Yeah, Messiah Complex IS going to kick ass. I seriously can't wait!

[Foggy's Pal]

Yeah, Messiah Complex IS going to kick ass. I seriously can't wait!

I really am looking forward to this event. My only reservations are about how the other writers will write Layla and Jamie. Under PAD's pen they are my fav X characters; I just don't want them to be ruined by others. That said, the art team combined with Bru and PAD should generate some fantastic books. I hope it ranks with Sinestro Corps.....

[Eric Williams]

I really am looking forward to this event. My only reservations are about how the other writers will write Layla and Jamie. Under PAD's pen they are my fav X characters; I just don't want them to be ruined by others. That said, the art team combined with Bru and PAD should generate some fantastic books. I hope it ranks with Sinestro Corps.....
A part of me's worried, but I have a great deal of faith in Bru, Carey, and Yost. I'm so glad these guys are at the helm of the story.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

I know you did, I was just taking an unnecessary shot at you :D

Like, FUCK DOUGLOCK!! :D :D

:mad:

[Foggy's Pal]

A part of me's worried, but I have a great deal of faith in Bru, Carey, and Yost. I'm so glad these guys are at the helm of the story.

I have only been reading Uncanny and X-Factor, so I don't really know the other writers. If I enjoy them, however, I will probably pick up the other books. I am anxious to see which mutants are in which book. other than X-factor, I think there will be a big shake-up.

[HomerGator]

:mad:

:wave:

[HomerGator]

I have only been reading Uncanny and X-Factor, so I don't really know the other writers. If I enjoy them, however, I will probably pick up the other books. I am anxious to see which mutants are in which book. other than X-factor, I think there will be a big shake-up.

Yeah, I get the feeling that "X-Men" is going to be replaced by "X-Force".

[Foggy's Pal]

Yeah, I get the feeling that "X-Men" is going to be replaced by "X-Force".

WHat is X Force?

[Hellboy Jr.]

I'm really hopeful about Messiah Complex I hope it doesn't blow.

I haven't read X-Factor in awhile so I'll have to start picking it up again. I've really only been reading Astonishing and New X-Men. I dropped the other titles.

[HomerGator]

WHat is X Force?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell in print :(

If not, they used to be the grown-up New Mutants, led by Cable. They were like the X-Men, but more of a militia than superheroes. They were outlaws, even considered terrorists by some, but were still the good guys. They featured members like the aforementioned Cable, Domino, Feral, Warpath, Cannonball, Meltdown, Shatterstar, Siryn, Rictor, Sunspot, and Caliban, among others.

It looks like after Messiah Complex, at least two new x-books are going to launch. Cable, with art by Ariel Olivetti, and a new X-Force, with art by Clayton Crain. The early line-up for X-Force looks like Wolverine, X-23, Warpath, Hepzibah, Wolfsbane, and Caliban.

[silverboy]

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell in print :(

If not, they used to be the grown-up New Mutants, led by Cable. They were like the X-Men, but more of a militia than superheroes. They were outlaws, even considered terrorists by some, but were still the good guys. They featured members like the aforementioned Cable, Domino, Feral, Warpath, Cannonball, Meltdown, Shatterstar, Siryn, Rictor, Sunspot, and Caliban, among others.

It looks like after Messiah Complex, at least two new x-books are going to launch. Cable, with art by Ariel Olivetti, and a new X-Force, with art by Clayton Crain. The early line-up for X-Force looks like Wolverine, X-23, Warpath, Hepzibah, Wolfsbane, and Caliban.

I still love the comment that a poster made, "Do you know what this new X-Force really needs? Some kind of feral, blades/claws type character."

[Hellboy Jr.]

X-Force was pretty cool, at least to me. I liked the back issues I read.

[Foggy's Pal]

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell in print :(

If not, they used to be the grown-up New Mutants, led by Cable. They were like the X-Men, but more of a militia than superheroes. They were outlaws, even considered terrorists by some, but were still the good guys. They featured members like the aforementioned Cable, Domino, Feral, Warpath, Cannonball, Meltdown, Shatterstar, Siryn, Rictor, Sunspot, and Caliban, among others.

It looks like after Messiah Complex, at least two new x-books are going to launch. Cable, with art by Ariel Olivetti, and a new X-Force, with art by Clayton Crain. The early line-up for X-Force looks like Wolverine, X-23, Warpath, Hepzibah, Wolfsbane, and Caliban.

Not sarcastic- I only read X-Factor and Uncanny. And then, only in the last few years- getting into X Men can be daunting.... I do like that lineup for X-Force. Cool characters.

[HomerGator]

Not sarcastic- I only read X-Factor and Uncanny. And then, only in the last few years- getting into X Men can be daunting.... I do like that lineup for X-Force. Cool characters.

Right on. You're right-in can be daunting. Sometimes even I have no idea what's going on, or who someone is, and I've been reading X-Men books pretty much straight through since 1991 (other than two or three years in the last 90's).

[Hellboy Jr.]

START READING NEW X-MEN!!! No real backstory is needed for these characters. It's a great way to get into the X-Universe minus all the super confusion . . . though that may change as they are part of the Messiah Complex thing.

[HomerGator]

START READING NEW X-MEN!!! No real backstory is needed for these characters. It's a great way to get into the X-Universe minus all the super confusion . . . though that may change as they are part of the Messiah Complex thing.

New X-Men is a fantastic book! Not only is it one of the best team books in comics, and one of the best X-Men books, it's probably one of the ten best books Marvel puts out these days.

[Hellboy Jr.]

New X-Men is a fantastic book! Not only is it one of the best team books in comics, and one of the best X-Men books, it's probably one of the ten best books Marvel puts out these days.

:rock: I'm totally digging Young's art on this book. On other books it wouldn't work, but his style seems to suit New X-Men perfectly. And Kyle/Yost have found ways of making each character into their own individual which is something Weir/Defillippis never did (at least for the background students). I was skeptical at first (When I saw who the remaining students were), but all of the students are their own individuals and I can see ANY of them staying in the X-Universe for a long time. (Kinda like New Mutants in the 80's) I think the biggest improvement they've made was Rockslide. I HATED Rockslide originally, but they found a way to make him more than just Thing Jr.

[GrandMaster Funk]

START READING NEW X-MEN!!! No real backstory is needed for these characters. It's a great way to get into the X-Universe minus all the super confusion . . . though that may change as they are part of the Messiah Complex thing.

I was kind of upset after Decimation when most of my favorite characters from the book were removed from the cast

[Hellboy Jr.]

I was kind of upset after Decimation when most of my favorite characters from the book were removed from the cast

I was too, but I love what Kyle/Yost have done with the book since then. I've got a whole new crew of favorite characters now.

[billthomason]

I've been thinking of picking up New X-men (after House of M where Yost and crew begin it, issue 20 me thinks).

As for Messiah Complex, I hope it will rock, and it very well could, but Marvel seems to have some problems with handling storytelling post event (see House of M - Decimation).

[Hellboy Jr.]

I've been thinking of picking up New X-men (after House of M where Yost and crew begin it, issue 20 me thinks).

As for Messiah Complex, I hope it will rock, and it very well could, but Marvel seems to have some problems with handling storytelling post event (see House of M - Decimation).

Their run starts out a little slow (#20-22) But starts to pick up at #23 and just keeps going. You get Nimrod, William Stryker, and a even Belasco and a Super Creepy Demonchild (Magik/Illyana Rasputin) along with tons of really cool new characters who have promising futures in the MU.

[billthomason]

So I'm in the middle of X-Statix and this book is just amazing on every level. Milligan really knocked this one out of the park. I actually only have the two X-Force trades and the first X-Statix trade, and since all the trades are either out of print, or don't match each other visually at all, I've decided just to get all the single issues and have them custom hardcover bound into three volumes. I can't wait to finish this series.

I also dug Milligan's Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, which has me wondering if I should give his X-men run a shot, at least his last arc with Apocalypse.

[GrandMaster Funk]

So I'm in the middle of X-Statix and this book is just amazing on every level. Milligan really knocked this one out of the park. I actually only have the two X-Force trades and the first X-Statix trade, and since all the trades are either out of print, or don't match each other visually at all, I've decided just to get all the single issues and have them custom hardcover bound into three volumes. I can't wait to finish this series.

I also dug Milligan's Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, which has me wondering if I should give his X-men run a shot, at least his last arc with Apocalypse.

Personally I really disliked Milligan's run on the book, and I've heard the same from a lot of fans of his X-Staix work.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Personally I really disliked Milligan's run on the book, and I've heard the same from a lot of fans of his X-Staix work.

It stunk. Really Stunk. I wanted to like it but . . . it was just MEH. It was better than austen's but that's not really saying much is it?

[GrandMaster Funk]

It stunk. Really Stunk. I wanted to like it but . . . it was just MEH. It was better than austen's but that's not really saying much is it?

Austen's run wasn't that bad. At least it felt like there something was going on during his run. The Northstar issue, Juggernaught joining the X-Men, Icarus, and Austen's final arc were all better than anything in Milligan's run IMO.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Austen's run wasn't that bad. At least it felt like there something was going on during his run. The Northstar issue, Juggernaught joining the X-Men, Icarus, and Austen's final arc were all better than anything in Milligan's run IMO.

Yeah, Austen's (VERY few) good issues are quite nicely hidden inside all the crap. Worth tracking them down in singles only.

[Eric Williams]

Austen's run wasn't that bad. At least it felt like there something was going on during his run. The Northstar issue, Juggernaught joining the X-Men, Icarus, and Austen's final arc were all better than anything in Milligan's run IMO.
Was Milligan's run really that bad? I haven't read it myself, but Chuck Austen's run was...really, really bad. Dominant Species, Holy War, The Draco, and the marriage issues with Havoc and Polaris were really poor on plot execution and characterization, to say the least.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Was Milligan's run really that bad? I haven't read it myself, but Chuck Austen's run was...really, really bad. Dominant Species, Holy War, The Draco, and the marriage issues with Havoc and Polaris were really poor on plot execution and characterization, to say the least.

Milligan's was just kinda boring. Austen's were downright atrocious.

[silverboy]

Austen's run wasn't that bad.

Yes it was.

Austen and Milligan were about neck-and-neck in quality, with Austen's horrendous moments taking the cake. Milligan didn't do anything utterly offensive.

[billthomason]

Can I ask, did Milligan and Allred create the X-Force/Statix characters?

[GrandMaster Funk]

Was Milligan's run really that bad? I haven't read it myself, but Chuck Austen's run was...really, really bad. Dominant Species, Holy War, The Draco, and the marriage issues with Havoc and Polaris were really poor on plot execution and characterization, to say the least.

Maybe I'm not the best person to ask since I thought Austen's run wasn't horrible (although the parts you mentioned were).

Milligan does some things to kind of mend what Austen did to a few of the characters. I found that during his run the character's weren't that distinctive. He also has a few odd decisions he makes with characters (Doop, Mystique, Polaris, etc.)

Its not that its necessarily badly written for the most part, its just one of the dullest comic runs I've read.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Can I ask, did Milligan and Allred create the X-Force/Statix characters?

I think so.

[silverboy]

Can I ask, did Milligan and Allred create the X-Force/Statix characters?

Yeah.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Yes it was.

Austen and Milligan were about neck-and-neck in quality, with Austen's horrendous moments taking the cake. Milligan didn't do anything utterly offensive.

Austen's shining moments outdid his bad. I honestly can't say there was an arc or even a single issue of Milligan's I enjoyed.

[billthomason]

Yeah.

Maybe Milligan just works better with his own characters then. I dunno. It just sorta sucks, the Apocalypse post House of M arc should have everything I would like about the X-men (the horrendous villain coming to the aid of all mutants at the expense of humanity) but from what I hear its just not worth reading.

[Eric Williams]

Milligan's was just kinda boring. Austen's were downright atrocious.
I thought I was going to die during the bachelorette party for Lorna. :-| :nonono2:

[silverboy]

Austen's shining moments outdid his bad. I honestly can't say there was an arc or even a single issue of Milligan's I enjoyed.

Austen had no shining moments. He had horrible moments and less horrible moments.

Though US War Machine 1.0 was good.

[Hellboy Jr.]

I thought I was going to die during the bachelorette party for Lorna. :-| :nonono2:

Oh god. His Northstar had me wanting hop on a jet track him down and bitch slap him. Seriously. Hot Buns? HOT BUNS? WHO SAYS THAT? :mad:


The only good part I ever noticed was just the ONE Panel where Lorna makes herself some Magneto-esque Armor. And that one frame was the only part I liked. And it was just for the art.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Austen had no shining moments. He had horrible moments and less horrible moments.

Though US War Machine 1.0 was good.

Austen did I good job on Exiles.

[Magnum V.I.]

Austen did I good job on Exiles.

........:neutral:

No. His Exiles was garbage.

[silverboy]

Austen did I good job on Exiles.

Maybe one or two arcs. He did some pretty shit-tastular work on Exiles, too.

[Hellboy Jr.]

........:neutral:

No. His Exiles was garbage.

SAYS YOU. :mad: I happened to like it. It wasn't comparable to Winick's run but it was decent. (not that it didn't have it's craptastic issues too)

[GrandMaster Funk]

Austen did I good job on Exiles.

Agreed, it fits in seamlessly with Winnick's run.

[billthomason]

Did anyone ever read the Mutant X series, with Havok running the team in an alternate reality?

[silverboy]

Agreed, it fits in seamlessly with Winnick's run.

:mistrust:

[Eric Williams]

Oh god. His Northstar had me wanting hop on a jet track him down and bitch slap him. Seriously. Hot Buns? HOT BUNS? WHO SAYS THAT? :mad:
:rofl: I wish I could find the issue to get some quotes. There were some truly hilarious moments, most of them pertaining to the X-women acting like cats in heat.

[Hellboy Jr.]

Did anyone ever read the Mutant X series, with Havok running the team in an alternate reality?

I never read it but I heard good things about it.

[Hellboy Jr.]

:rofl: I wish I could find the issue to get some quotes. There were some truly hilarious moments, most of them pertaining to the X-women acting like cats in heat.

UNINTENTIONALLY funny moments.

[Magnum V.I.]

SAYS YOU. :mad: I happened to like it. It wasn't comparable to Winick's run but it was decent. (not that it didn't have it's craptastic issues too)

Yeah I still disagree. Austen's War Machine is the only thing I ever read that I thought was good.

Agreed, it fits in seamlessly with Winnick's run.

No it doesn't. Winnick set up something awesome with the Characters. Then Austen made the Exiles meet the X-Men in some lame crossover. It was just not good. Weapon X and Exiles where good enough teams.

Did anyone ever read the Mutant X series, with Havok running the team in an alternate reality?

I read the Annual and the last Issue and it.....wasn't good. At least the writing wasn't. I have heard nothing but bad things about it but other than that it really isn't noteworthy enough to look up.

I never read it but I heard good things about it.

LIAR!

[Hellboy Jr.]

LIAR!

Seriously! I heard the Early issus were good.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Did anyone ever read the Mutant X series, with Havok running the team in an alternate reality?

I did. It holds a special place in my heart.

[Magnum V.I.]

I did. It holds a special place in my heart.

Because Beast dies like Kenny in every issue? :lol:

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Because Beast dies like Kenny in every issue? :lol:

:no:

[Magnum V.I.]

:no:

Was Mutant X Beast the Religious Beast in the latest chapter of Endangered Species?

[billthomason]

I did. It holds a special place in my heart.

Would you recommend it? What is the writing like? It peaked my interest because I like alternate X-universes for some reason.

[The Jack Rabbitt]

Was Mutant X Beast the Religious Beast in the latest chapter of Endangered Species?

No... it was the green Beast. :surrend:

[Magnum V.I.]

No... it was the green Beast. :surrend:

Ouch.

I liked that chapter a lot though. Beast is a awesome character.