Lamest Marvel Villians...

[SCOURGE]

Who are some of the worst Marvel villians, and why?

My picks:

The Purple Man
Hypo-Hustler
Ringmaster...and more...I'm tired, I will add more later.

[Foolish Mortal]

Who are some of the worst Marvel villians, and why?

My picks:

The Purple Man
Hypo-Hustler
Ringmaster...and more...I'm tired, I will add more later.
The Purple Man's not lame. He's fucking dangerous. He can enslave hundreds of people at a time as long as you're within his range of influence.

There is no villain more lame than fucking Stilt-Man!

[Ryan Elliott]

Why The Purple Man?



Lame NAME maybe. But at one point he wasn't a lame villain.

[Jerome Gibbons]

Killgrave the Purple Man is THE coolest name EVAH. And he's a good villain, too.

[BWC Boston]

Typeface. Though he's now apparently a lame anti-hero.

[Boris the Blade]

You're on Bendis' board and you can call Killgrave lame? Dude, Bendis himself made Purple Man into a scary and quite dangerous villain.

[Hock]

Speaking of lame names. Dr. Doom.

[Jerome Gibbons]

Speaking of lame names. Dr. Damme.

Fix'd.

[Albert]

Conversations like these are sort of pointless, because most of the characters that get brought up are either "lovable losers" that were products of their time and now just seem goofy in hindsight, which is kinda a cheap shot, as opposed to characters that are actually "lame." Which in and of itself is troublesome because people take lame characters all the time and make them interesting and good. So, you know.

[Ryan Elliott]

Speaking of lame names. Dr. Doom.



No. One of the coolest names ever.

[John M. Coker (Johnny C.)]

I stopped reading at "Purple Man"

The only thing lame about Purple Man is thinking that Purple Man is lame.

[Jerome Gibbons]

Alright, you know what's a pretty lame villain? 1990s Venom. And Carnage.

[Scotty]

Alright, you know what's a pretty lame villain? 1990s Venom. And Carnage.

I like Venom until he became a good guy. him stuck on the island was great. I like him with sharp teeth and his tongue not so insane.


Stilt Man is lame.
Cardiac is lame
Arcade is lame
Snake Dance is Lame (and offensive)
Crossbones is lame
Mojo II was Lame
Vermin is pretty lame (but usedwell in Kraven's Last Hunt)
Vulture is uber-lame

[CapnChaos]

I dunno about lame villains, but the best are Galactus and Paste-Pot Pete.

[Amos Moses]

Arcade is stupid.

[The Hodag]

Conversations like these are sort of pointless, because most of the characters that get brought up are either "lovable losers" that were products of their time and now just seem goofy in hindsight, which is kinda a cheap shot, as opposed to characters that are actually "lame." Which in and of itself is troublesome because people take lame characters all the time and make them interesting and good. So, you know.

So much wisdom I'm not sure what to do with it all. :thumb:

Dissing on lame characters always gets me to thinking about Grant Morrison. Grant's a guy who loves the wildness of characters many would label lame (how many would have dismissed Animal Man as such before Grant?) and I think that's one of the things I like best about him. He's the kind of guy who might look at Stilt-Man and think, "Beautiful. Endlessly fun possibilities", not "needs to die."

Grant can write in a wide variety of superhero styles and not all of them are so out there as, say, All-Star Superman, but I think he'll always treasure imagination in superhero books and the innate weirdness of the genre. Threads like this always make me wish more people were the same way.

[Ryan F]

I'll join with everyone in defense of Purple Man, at least in Alias.

Good call on Ringmaster though. Jesus I hate the Circus of Crime.

[Unknown Kadath]

Dr. Bong. But I think maybe he's supposed to be. About the Venom comments..... The idea of the symbiote costume being a malevolent entity possessing people is pretty cool but am I the only person that thinks Venom looks so incredibly stupid with that big lolling tongue of his? Especially when he is drawn in that exaggerated McFarlane style? Carnage..... well, at least he looks presentable.

[Tom Burgos]

Turner D Century
Daddy Long Legs
Cauldron, The Scalding Man
Typeface
Southpaw

[Blandy vs Terrorism]

I dunno about lame villains, but the best are Galactus and Paste-Pot Pete.

You're my new best friend.

[Sy-Klone]

Zut alors! Zis thread has forgotten Batroc ze Leapair!

[Matthew Brown]

Hypno-Hustler was badass in Spider-Man Reign for three seconds.

[The Doctor]

The Big Wheel.

[Bearpod91]

You just need the right writer to make them good.

[Matt Jay]

The Walrus.

[c. page]

doghead.

[J. R. Scherer]

Alright, you know what's a pretty lame villain? 1990s Venom. And Carnage.

:thumb:

Venom was actually pretty darned cool up until he sprouted fangs, a long tongue, and started drooling like a fucking retard. So I guess he was cool in, like, his first two or three appearances.

[c. page]

:thumb:

Venom was actually pretty darned cool up until he sprouted fangs, a long tongue, and started drooling like a fucking retard. So I guess he was cool in, like, his first two or three appearances.

so you liked him til larsen started drawing him, then?

[J. R. Scherer]

'Purple Man' is a lame name (not Killgrave, though!) and being entirely purple, including his clothes, is lame, too, but his powers and personality are cool.

Except for his knowing he's in a comic book. That's retarded and robs him of any real sense of menace.

[J. R. Scherer]

so you liked him til larsen started drawing him, then?

I suppose. He was a really cool and really scary villain in his first appearances.

[c. page]

I suppose. He was a really cool and really scary villain in his first appearances.

the biggest problem was the overexposure, i liked the character up to the point of the desert island, right before the whole carnage nonsense began. after that, he was in way too many books at once.

[KingMob]

Blowhard, wait, he wansnt a bad guy though was he...

[The Doctor]

Senator Ward.

[The Robot Lord of Tokyo]

Onslaught.
Here's a guy that derailed Marvel comics for a few years.
All this hype built up for this bad guy only to discover he's just a composite of two characters.
And the way he was defeated? I never did fully understand why that to beat him you had to throw non-mutant superheroes into him.....
And then this led to the sucky few years with the Heroes Reborn comics that were nothing more then a way to say "Hey! We got back all these artists we lost a few years back!". It was almost like if Justin Timberlake were to hook back up with Britney. Sure you're back with her, but her best years are behind her, the quality has gone downhill, and your actually better off without her.

So in summery: Onslaught is the worst for what he resulted in the 90's.

Venom is a close second in the sense that he was a great villain with good motivation behind his hatred of Spiderman and then they made him this all-purpose crazy villain making cameos in any comic and then would be made into an "anti-hero". Venom was perverted into what he was. But at least he had some good moments. Can't say the same for Onslaught.

[The Hodag]

'Purple Man' is a lame name (not Killgrave, though!) and being entirely purple, including his clothes, is lame, too, but his powers and personality are cool.

Purple's the color of royalty, a twisted sort of fit for a man whose powers can forcibly elevate him to that level.

And it's a visual hook. Would a guy who looked like anyone else "pop" as a comic book villain the way that Purple Man does?


Except for his knowing he's in a comic book. That's retarded and robs him of any real sense of menace.

Now that's true. It was an awful, Grant Morrison-wannabe addition to the character.

[J. R. Scherer]

Purple's the color of royalty, a twisted sort of fit for a man whose powers can forcibly elevate him to that level.

And it's a visual hook. Would a guy who looked like anyone else "pop" as a comic book villain the way that Purple Man does?

Oh, no--that doesn't mean I don't LIKE him--just that I think being entirely purple and him calling himself 'Purple Man' is lame. It feels lazy to me. I think normal colored clothes would still look interesting with purple skin. If other people called him 'Purple Man' and the name just stuck which in turn made him angry I think I'd love it.


Now that's true. It was an awful, Grant Morrison-wannabe addition to the character.

I can't stand that crap. The only time I've seen it really work in a non humorous comic was in Moore's Promethea. It's no great revelation to the reader that they're holding a fucking comic book in their hands.

[The Doctor]

Hunger.

I'm just thinking back to Mackie's Spider-man.

[Andy Kuhn]

I dunno about lame villains, but the best are Galactus and Paste-Pot Pete.

paste-pot pete is tha' shizzle!

[Jerome Gibbons]

Onslaught.

Most definitely.

Also: Apocalypse. Oh, I grew up on villains like him so by all means you'd think I would like him, but no. I always thought he was pretty lame. he looked stupid and had powers that I still don't manage to comprehend. Plus all that crap about him being part of a special group of mutants and stuff is just lame. I always hated that sort of stuff.

Also, he had the most annoying voice ever in the Spanish-dubbed version of the X-Men cartoon.

[King of Mars]

Water Wizard.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/ennemis/Water%20Wizard.gif

Perfect nemesis for a motorcycle riding demon from Hell. :)

[Ben]

The Foolkiller is both the coolest and most lame villain ever. He kills fools.

[Marcdachamp]

The Wrecking Crew is way overused. They can be cool, but they can also be REALLY annoying.

Stilt-Man sucks a lot.

Big Wheel. Honestly, what the fuck?

Mojo. Fucking fat ass.

[Taxman]

The Lion God

[Damian696]

Most definitely.

Also: Apocalypse. Oh, I grew up on villains like him so by all means you'd think I would like him, but no. I always thought he was pretty lame. he looked stupid and had powers that I still don't manage to comprehend. Plus all that crap about him being part of a special group of mutants and stuff is just lame. I always hated that sort of stuff.

Also, he had the most annoying voice ever in the Spanish-dubbed version of the X-Men cartoon.

Agreed. And same goes for Mr. Sinister, too.

[chazbot]

The Kangaroo
talk about bleh... and i never even knew about his ridiculous armor suit
look at this crud
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Kangaroh4.jpg

[The Doctor]

Grizzley and Gibbon the boy monkey.

[stevapalooza]

Turner D. Century

When the name is a bad pun it's all downhill from there

[Albert]

Although I said this thread was a bad idea, you know who was really lame? That dude "Bastion."

[Dreg]

Rainbow Raider. Just...wow.

[Albert]

Rainbow Raider. Just...wow.

Not a Marvel character.

[Dreg]

Not a Marvel character.

Oh, right. Um...White Rabbit. But she's lame in a hot way.

[The Hodag]

Although I said this thread was a bad idea, you know who was really lame? That dude "Bastion."

The 90s is kind of an exception.


Omega Red.

Stryfe.

Demogoblin.

Like that.

[Matt O'Keefe]

The Purple Man's not lame. He's fucking dangerous. He can enslave hundreds of people at a time as long as you're within his range of influence.

There is no villain more lame than fucking Stilt-Man!

Agreed.

Stilt-Man is every hero's personal punching bag.

[Foolish Mortal]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Nanny & Orphen Maker yet.

http://i18.tinypic.com/47vodoi.jpg

These are goofy-ass villains. It's like Louise and Walt Simonson took a pair of Silver Age style villains and planted them smack dab in the 90's.

And they're the only ones that can write them properly. Anybody else writes them, they're just silly.

[J. R. Scherer]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Nanny & Orphen Maker yet.

http://i18.tinypic.com/47vodoi.jpg

These are goofy-ass villains. It's like Louise and Walt Simonson took a pair of Silver Age style villains and planted them smack dab in the 90's.

And they're the only ones that can write them properly. Anybody else writes them, they're just silly.

No. Nanny was always retarded.

[J. R. Scherer]

Albert & Elsie-Dee are also plenty retarded.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Albert02.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/LCDRO.JPG

[frzamonkey]

big wheel
cyber
the headmen
hatemonger

[The Human Target]

Grizzley and Gibbon the boy monkey.

Dude, I LOVE them.

I have no idea why though.

[Cuckoo]

Orka the killer whale - what the heck?
The Collector - he was cool at first & in the korvac saga, but other than that he was lame

[costello]

Most definitely.

Also: Apocalypse. Oh, I grew up on villains like him so by all means you'd think I would like him, but no. I always thought he was pretty lame. he looked stupid and had powers that I still don't manage to comprehend. Plus all that crap about him being part of a special group of mutants and stuff is just lame. I always hated that sort of stuff.

Also, he had the most annoying voice ever in the Spanish-dubbed version of the X-Men cartoon.

I concur. Except for the Spanish thing... I have no clue on that one.

But I thought it was bad-ass when Archangel beheaded Apocalypse with his wings in Executioner's Song. Except I don't think that really happened... it was more dreampt up in my teenage mind because I wanted some damn closure in an X-Men book.

[costello]

All I know of the Beyonder was what I read in the X-Men crossover comic books. I was seven and bored to tears with this guy.

[Cuckoo]

I concur. Except for the Spanish thing... I have no clue on that one.

But I thought it was bad-ass when Archangel beheaded Apocalypse with his wings in Executioner's Song. Except I don't think that really happened... it was more dreampt up in my teenage mind because I wanted some damn closure in an X-Men book.

He was cool in AOA too.

[Marcdachamp]

Except for his knowing he's in a comic book. That's retarded and robs him of any real sense of menace.

I always looked at that as proof of his lack of sanity. Kind of made his powers even scarier.

[Dermie]

Except for his knowing he's in a comic book. That's retarded and robs him of any real sense of menace.

He doesn't 'know' he's in a comic book--he is insane, and *thinks* he is in a comic book. Important difference. I admit, I don't especially like that stuff myself; the almost-fourth-wall-breaking stuff tends to distract me from the story. But I thought Fabian Nicieza managed to use that delusion of Killgrave's to good effect when using him in T-BOLTS.

As for other lame villains...how about the Living Eraser?

[Foolish Mortal]

He doesn't 'know' he's in a comic book--he is insane, and *thinks* he is in a comic book. Important difference. I admit, I don't especially like that stuff myself; the almost-fourth-wall-breaking stuff tends to distract me from the story. But I thought Fabian Nicieza managed to use that delusion of Killgrave's to good effect when using him in T-BOLTS.

As for other lame villains...how about the Living Eraser?
Yes, I just saw as Kilgrave being nuts. He may have gotten this delusion from the comics in his reality. Because there is a Marvel Comics company in the Marvel Universe that publishes fictional accounts of real super heroes and super villains.

[SCOURGE]

Here is my problem with the Purple One...Yes, Bendis has managed to make him more interesting, but up until recent he was more of a Mort than a menace. He always seemed to be a poor man's Joker.

[SCOURGE]

I like Venom until he became a good guy. him stuck on the island was great. I like him with sharp teeth and his tongue not so insane.


Stilt Man is lame.
Cardiac is lame
Arcade is lame
Snake Dance is Lame (and offensive)
Crossbones is lame
Mojo II was Lame
Vermin is pretty lame (but usedwell in Kraven's Last Hunt)
Vulture is uber-lame

My only question with this list is Crossbones...he has been a badddd man since his first appearence. Why him?

[SCOURGE]

Cauldron, The Scalding Man


Who?

[J. R. Scherer]

I always looked at that as proof of his lack of sanity. Kind of made his powers even scarier.

Knowing that you're a fictional character in a piece of fiction isn't a sign of insanity--it's gimmicky writing. Takes me right out of any serious comic story.

[SCOURGE]

Zut alors! Zis thread has forgotten Batroc ze Leapair!


The Big Wheel.

Yes...

[Ethan Van Sciver]

All of the Venom imposters.

[SCOURGE]

doghead.

Who?

[HomerGator]

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/9/9c/Donna.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/f/f2/Hybrid-Headshot.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/c/c5/Doppelganger442px.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villains/egghead/avengers229.jpg


I can keep going...

[HomerGator]

All of the Venom imposters.

Damn! You beat me to it!

[SCOURGE]

Yes...

[SCOURGE]

Water Wizard.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/ennemis/Water%20Wizard.gif

Perfect nemesis for a motorcycle riding demon from Hell. :)

Yes...

[SCOURGE]

Spot
Space Phantom
Death Throws

[c. page]

Who?

at the end of the 90's ghost rider run, there was a character (i forget his name) who had befriended dan ketch. this guy and his dog were recurring characters for a few issues before they were both (IIRC) hit by a car. they made a deal with blackheart and became a demon named... DOGHEAD. body of a person, and you guessed it, a dog's head.

and they fought ghost rider.

seriously, probably the lamest villain i've ever seen in a comic.

[The Hodag]

Water Wizard.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/ennemis/Water%20Wizard.gif

Perfect nemesis for a motorcycle riding demon from Hell. :)

I've got a fun, fairly cool old Ghost Rider issue where the Water Wizard's working alongside a power-hungry shiek in Saudi Arabia. The shiek figured Water Wizard's power might work on oil too (he's right), and so the pair of 'em are terrorizing and taking over oil fields throughout the Middle East with demonic-looking oil djinns created by Water Wizard. Not bad for a lamer, dammit!

Best part's the end of the issue, though. See, in the opening Johnny Blaze is too broke to afford the ticket to Saudi Arabia, but he had to go since he's the one Water Wizard escaped from. Big time guilt. He ends up borrowing the money from uber-smarmy stunt ridin' rival, Flagg Fargo, but he has to stake his bike as collateral and he's only got a day or two before it's forfeit. Anyway, he goes to Saudi Arabia, teams with the Arabian Knight to kick the Water Wizard's ass, but when all's said and done, there's just no way a plane will get him back in time to save his bike.

Cut to Flagg Fargo sitting on the bike, smug and self-satisfied as the last few minutes Blaze has left tick away. Oh, not so fast, asswipe! Much to Fargo's chagrin, Blaze comes coasting up on the flying carpet of his newfound buddy, the Arabian Knight. He's made the deadline, and he can even pay off the loan with a ruby he ganked off the shiek. As Blaze peels off on his bike, the typically motormouth Fargo mute over how hard he got served, Blaze calls out with a grin, "What's the matter, buddy, cat got your tongue?"

All that last panel needs is a big ol' "PWNED" floating over Fargo's boohoo expression. :twisted:

[The Hodag]

Spot
Space Phantom
Death Throws

Dunno 'bout Spot, but Space Phantom was just used to sweet effect in Dwayne McDuffie's Beyond miniseries and the Death Throws did some solid work-for-hire terrorism in the Union Jack mini.

S'all in how you use 'em. I remember that the original Hawkeye miniseries from the 80s (one of the first Marvel ever did, and a damn good one ta boot) had Oddball and Bombshell from the Death Throws played as pretty nasty mercenary types. At one point, Hawkeye's chasing after 'em and Oddball grabs a dude as hostage. Guy quips, "What're you gonna do, juggle me to death?" Oddball cracks him in the head point blank with a pool cueball and the dude slumps to the ground with blood gushing out of his mouth. I remember being surprised as a kid at how violent it looked.

Respec'.

[SCOURGE]

I've got a fun, fairly cool old Ghost Rider issue where the Water Wizard's working alongside a power-hungry shiek in Saudi Arabia. The shiek figured Water Wizard's power might work on oil too (he's right), and so the pair of 'em are terrorizing and taking over oil fields throughout the Middle East with demonic-looking oil djinns created by Water Wizard. Not bad for a lamer, dammit!

Best part's the end of the issue, though. See, in the opening Johnny Blaze is too broke to afford the ticket to Saudi Arabia, but he had to go since he's the one Water Wizard escaped from. Big time guilt. He ends up borrowing the money from uber-smarmy stunt ridin' rival, Flagg Fargo, but he has to stake his bike as collateral and he's only got a day or two before it's forfeit. Anyway, he goes to Saudi Arabia, teams with the Arabian Knight to kick the Water Wizard's ass, but when all's said and done, there's just no way a plane will get him back in time to save his bike.

Cut to Flagg Fargo sitting on the bike, smug and self-satisfied as the last few minutes Blaze has left tick away. Oh, not so fast, asswipe! Much to Fargo's chagrin, Blaze comes coasting up on the flying carpet of his newfound buddy, the Arabian Knight. He's made the deadline, and he can even pay off the loan with a ruby he ganked off the shiek. As Blaze peels off on his bike, the typically motormouth Fargo mute over how hard he got served, Blaze calls out with a grin, "What's the matter, buddy, cat got your tongue?"

All that last panel needs is a big ol' "PWNED" floating over Fargo's boohoo expression. :twisted:

That is funny...WW was one of the characters that SCOURGE was supposed to kill at the Bar With No Name, but his ride broke down...

[Boris the Blade]

Flagg Fargo is pretty much the worst name I ever heard.

[The Hodag]

He doesn't 'know' he's in a comic book--he is insane, and *thinks* he is in a comic book. Important difference.

If I'm not mistaken, his fourth-wall-breaking is always in perfect sync with events and he even references some stuff as being foreshadowing. Accurately, I might add, which seems to kill the notion that he just thinks he's in a comic. Sure, you could argue that he just got lucky with his internal monologue guesses, but the accuracy leads me to believe that wasn't the intended interpretation. I think he's supposed to literally be a self-aware comic character.

Maybe Bendis was thinking of it as the equivlent of having a lucid dream where you know you're in a dream but you also know you can bend physics to, for instance, fly. That is, if you know you're in a comic, you can essentially have the control that Purple Man does over plot and character.

Not saying it's a good idea, but I bet something like that was the notion behind it.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

All villains are cool with the right creative team.

[The Hodag]

Flagg Fargo is pretty much the worst name I ever heard.

Yeah, it's true. Different era, though. Theatricality and memorability were "in". And it fit the guy. He was drawn with unbelievable smarm, like some horrible lovechild of Larry from Three's Company and Jay Leno at his most self-satisfied. Watching Blaze rain on his parade and leave him in a cloud of dust was extra-cool because Fargo was a douche on every level (name included).

[The Hodag]

All villains are cool with the right creative team.

True 'dat. 80s Spider-Man guru Roger Stern wrote a great story with Stilt-Man. And another with Foolkiller. Hell, he even made Will O' The Wisp a badass.

[J. R. Scherer]

If I'm not mistaken, his fourth-wall-breaking is always in perfect sync with events and he even references some stuff as being foreshadowing. Accurately, I might add, which seems to kill the notion that he just thinks he's in a comic. Sure, you could argue that he just got lucky with his internal monologue guesses, but the accuracy leads me to believe that wasn't the intended interpretation. I think he's supposed to literally be a self-aware comic character.

Maybe Bendis was thinking of it as the equivlent of having a lucid dream where you know you're in a dream but you also know you can bend physics to, for instance, fly. That is, if you know you're in a comic, you can essentially have the control that Purple Man does over plot and character.

Not saying it's a good idea, but I bet something like that was the notion behind it.

You got it. He's not just nuts. He really does know that he's fictional and exists in a comic book. I already fucking knew that before I even read the comic, though.

[J. R. Scherer]

True 'dat. 80s Spider-Man guru Roger Stern wrote a great story with Stilt-Man. And another with Foolkiller. Hell, he even made Will O' The Wisp a badass.

Stern's Will O' The Wisp rocked. Hard.

[nihilance]

Stern's Will O' The Wisp rocked. Hard.

I'll third that. When are we going to get some Stern/JRJR Spider-man Visionaries trades?

[Generic Poster]

Typeface

Paste Pot Pete

Stilt Man

[Generic Poster]

All villains are cool with the right creative team.

Not Paste Pot Pete.

[Garra]

I dont know about the lamest of all time, but as for Spider-Man villians I have always thought Kraven was pretty lame.

And I know Kravens Last Hunt was a great read.

Just confirms what EVS said about any villians being cool with the right creative team.

I just never got Kraven. He hunts animals. There are a half a million red necks that do the same thing, and non of them would have a chance of defeating Spider-Man either.

I think the best thing I ever read with him was years back in ASM where he made a trap for Spider-Man. He had a room with super high frequency sound so Spidy couldnt hear, he had blinded him somehow so he couldnt see, also he did soemthing to the walls and cieling so that Spidy couldnt stick to anything. And even then when he had Spidy totally helpless almost, he still couldnt beat him, thanks to Spidy's spider sense.

Kraven is a joke to me, at least Stilt Man and alot of them other guys have some tech to assist them asides an elephant gun.

[Foolish Mortal]

I dont know about the lamest of all time, but as for Spider-Man villians I have always thought Kraven was pretty lame.

And I know Kravens Last Hunt was a great read.

Just confirms what EVS said about any villians being cool with the right creative team.

I just never got Kraven. He hunts animals. There are a half a million red necks that do the same thing, and non of them would have a chance of defeating Spider-Man either.

I think the best thing I ever read with him was years back in ASM where he made a trap for Spider-Man. He had a room with super high frequency sound so Spidy couldnt hear, he had blinded him somehow so he couldnt see, also he did soemthing to the walls and cieling so that Spidy couldnt stick to anything. And even then when he had Spidy totally helpless almost, he still couldnt beat him, thanks to Spidy's spider sense.

Kraven is a joke to me, at least Stilt Man and alot of them other guys have some tech to assist them asides an elephant gun.
Most rednecks can't pick up a Grizzly Bear and break it's spine. :lol:

[Garra]

Most rednecks can't pick up a Grizzly Bear and break it's spine. :lol:

Yeah his super strength came in later I guess.

I dont recall him being anything more than human. A very skilled hunter and tracker no doubt. But no where near the strength of SPider-Man to even make it a challenge physically.

I loved how bendis handled Kraven in USM.

Big loud mouthed joke who went down with one punch.

Best Kraven story EVER!

[J. R. Scherer]

Yeah his super strength came in later I guess.


Kraven had super strength since at least the '70s and may have even had it as early as his 2nd appearance, though I can't recall for certain.

[Foolish Mortal]

Kraven had super strength since at least the '70s and may have even had it as early as his 2nd appearance, though I can't recall for certain.
Yeah, I think he got super powers through some kind of mystical ritual. He got super strength, super agility, and enhanced sense of smell, hearing and vision.

[J. R. Scherer]

Yeah, I think he got super powers through some kind of mystical ritual. He got super strength, super agility, and enhanced sense of smell, hearing and vision.

He had a magic potion that he'd gotten from a witch doctor or somesuch in Africa that made him superhuman and also slowed down his aging. He was 70 or so in Kraven's Last Hunt.

[Special Agent Bachman]

The Big Wheel. The Phone Ranger. Typeface. Lamest trio ever.

[Foolish Mortal]

And let us not forget, The Asbestos Man!
http://i1.tinypic.com/40krdc3.gif

For years he continued to vex Johnny Storm until he died pulmonary carcinoma, and emphysema. :lol:

[The Hodag]

Not Paste Pot Pete.

Wanna bet?

To be fair, he was going by the Trapster in the story I'm thinking of, but check out his use in Evan Dorkin's tough-as-nails miniseries of a few years back, The Thing: Night Falls on Yancy Street. The Trapster's teamed with a very tough incarnation of the Frightful Four, and the scene I'm thinking about had a S.W.A.T. team closing in on 'em in the city. One S.W.A.T. car's barrelling down the alley at 'em when Trapster blasts the pavement with his glue-guns. What follows is a bone-crunchingly violent scene of the cop-car coming to an instant halt and the cops inside flying straight through the windshield. And that's when Absorbing Man starts tagging 'em with his wrecking ball...

Tough series. Sold, like, three copies, because no one knows how cool Dorkin and artist Dean Haspiel are, but ain't that always the way?

[The Hodag]

Yeah his super strength came in later I guess.

I dont recall him being anything more than human. A very skilled hunter and tracker no doubt. But no where near the strength of SPider-Man to even make it a challenge physically.

Been ages since I've read it, but one of my first comics was a reprint of Kraven's first appearance from the 60s. If I'm not mistaken, he was getting his potion-based superstrength from the start and is actually seen on a TV show pitching a gorilla around. And, of course, he also poisons Spider-Man, sets traps, all that stuff. His weirdest trap was actually kind of cool: he slaps a pair of magnetic bracelets on Spider-Man when he gets the drop on him - one on his wrist, one on his ankle. They're powerfully magnetized, so for half the hunt, Spider-Man's fighting like a gimp because his arm's constantly being pulled toward his ankle and he can't get 'em off.

Anyway, Kraven being "just a human" is pretty much a staple of plenty of Spidey's foes: Kingpin, Vulture, Doc Ock, the Enforcers, Hammerhead, Mysterio, etc. They're all just normal guys who're bolstered by a gimmick of some sort ('cept Kingpin; he's just tough as fuck). It's a Spidey thing.

[HomerGator]

Been ages since I've read it, but one of my first comics was a reprint of Kraven's first appearance from the 60s. If I'm not mistaken, he was getting his potion-based superstrength from the start and is actually seen on a TV show pitching a gorilla around. And, of course, he also poisons Spider-Man, sets traps, all that stuff. His weirdest trap was actually kind of cool: he slaps a pair of magnetic bracelets on Spider-Man when he gets the drop on him - one on his wrist, one on his ankle. They're powerfully magnetized, so for half the hunt, Spider-Man's fighting like a gimp because his arm's constantly being pulled toward his ankle and he can't get 'em off.

Anyway, Kraven being "just a human" is pretty much a staple of plenty of Spidey's foes: Kingpin, Vulture, Doc Ock, the Enforcers, Hammerhead, Mysterio, etc. They're all just normal guys who're bolstered by a gimmick of some sort ('cept Kingpin; he's just tough as fuck). It's a Spidey thing.


I remember that bit with Kraven. If I'm not mistaken, it was Lee and Ditko... I know it's in one of my Essentials, but damned if I can remember which one (probably the first...).

[Generic Poster]

Wanna bet?

To be fair, he was going by the Trapster in the story I'm thinking of, but check out his use in Evan Dorkin's tough-as-nails miniseries of a few years back, The Thing: Night Falls on Yancy Street. The Trapster's teamed with a very tough incarnation of the Frightful Four, and the scene I'm thinking about had a S.W.A.T. team closing in on 'em in the city. One S.W.A.T. car's barrelling down the alley at 'em when Trapster blasts the pavement with his glue-guns. What follows is a bone-crunchingly violent scene of the cop-car coming to an instant halt and the cops inside flying straight through the windshield. And that's when Absorbing Man starts tagging 'em with his wrecking ball...

Tough series. Sold, like, three copies, because no one knows how cool Dorkin and artist Dean Haspiel are, but ain't that always the way?

The bolded sentence negates any possible coolness.

[Special Agent Bachman]

Wanna bet?

To be fair, he was going by the Trapster in the story I'm thinking of, but check out his use in Evan Dorkin's tough-as-nails miniseries of a few years back, The Thing: Night Falls on Yancy Street. The Trapster's teamed with a very tough incarnation of the Frightful Four, and the scene I'm thinking about had a S.W.A.T. team closing in on 'em in the city. One S.W.A.T. car's barrelling down the alley at 'em when Trapster blasts the pavement with his glue-guns. What follows is a bone-crunchingly violent scene of the cop-car coming to an instant halt and the cops inside flying straight through the windshield. And that's when Absorbing Man starts tagging 'em with his wrecking ball...

Tough series. Sold, like, three copies, because no one knows how cool Dorkin and artist Dean Haspiel are, but ain't that always the way?

That sounds fucking wicked! Also, Evan Dorkin rocks.

[Shwicaz]

Dr. Bong.


was he in Byrne's She Hulk?


My vote is for Man-Bull

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/shwicaz/dd079.jpg

[Generic Poster]

Dr. Bong was a Howard the Duck villain, so was designed to be lame. Shouldn't really count.

[Garra]

Been ages since I've read it, but one of my first comics was a reprint of Kraven's first appearance from the 60s. If I'm not mistaken, he was getting his potion-based superstrength from the start and is actually seen on a TV show pitching a gorilla around. And, of course, he also poisons Spider-Man, sets traps, all that stuff. His weirdest trap was actually kind of cool: he slaps a pair of magnetic bracelets on Spider-Man when he gets the drop on him - one on his wrist, one on his ankle. They're powerfully magnetized, so for half the hunt, Spider-Man's fighting like a gimp because his arm's constantly being pulled toward his ankle and he can't get 'em off.

Anyway, Kraven being "just a human" is pretty much a staple of plenty of Spidey's foes: Kingpin, Vulture, Doc Ock, the Enforcers, Hammerhead, Mysterio, etc. They're all just normal guys who're bolstered by a gimmick of some sort ('cept Kingpin; he's just tough as fuck). It's a Spidey thing.


Ahh I admit I have never seen anything mentioning the potion thing.

I didnt start reading Spider Man till the mid 80's however I was given alot of older SPider Man comics, so I was prolly reading at least the very early 80's of SPider Man.

And I dont have them any more so I am going off of memory, but I dont recall ever reading anything about the potion stuff.

That makes him a bit more credible at least.

My comment where I said he was just human was before I knew about the potion stuff, plus all the other "just humans" at least have tech on thier side which I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts.

Only one I can think of now who is totally unaided is the Kingpin, and yeah hes a bad mofo. There still should be some explanation how he is so strong though, because he is certainly more than just a regular human.

[Vonn Hennigar]

Ahh I admit I have never seen anything mentioning the potion thing.

I didnt start reading Spider Man till the mid 80's however I was given alot of older SPider Man comics, so I was prolly reading at least the very early 80's of SPider Man.

And I dont have them any more so I am going off of memory, but I dont recall ever reading anything about the potion stuff.

That makes him a bit more credible at least.

My comment where I said he was just human was before I knew about the potion stuff, plus all the other "just humans" at least have tech on thier side which I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts.

Only one I can think of now who is totally unaided is the Kingpin, and yeah hes a bad mofo. There still should be some explanation how he is so strong though, because he is certainly more than just a regular human.

There is, he's not fat, that's just all Muscle.

[Foolish Mortal]

Dr. Bong was a Howard the Duck villain, so was designed to be lame. Shouldn't really count.
I agree. Villains in comedy books shouldn't count.

[Foolish Mortal]

There is, he's not fat, that's just all Muscle.
Yes, the Kingpin has abnormal strength because of his abnormal size.

[The Hodag]

The bolded sentence negates any possible coolness.

See, and that's the kind of attitude that woulda kept Silver Surfer from being created. :mad:

(Never mind the fact that real-world glue guns have actually been tested as part of the burgeoning field of non-lethal weapons.)

[The Hodag]

I remember that bit with Kraven. If I'm not mistaken, it was Lee and Ditko... I know it's in one of my Essentials, but damned if I can remember which one (probably the first...).

Yep, Amazing Spider-Man #15. Pretty much all of Spidey's best villains turned up in the first 20 issues, and Lee and Ditko treated 'em all as formidable. This Ditko pin-up definitely makes Kraven sound like he's beyond the average human...

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/160/kraven2wp.jpg

[J. R. Scherer]

Wanna bet?

To be fair, he was going by the Trapster in the story I'm thinking of, but check out his use in Evan Dorkin's tough-as-nails miniseries of a few years back, The Thing: Night Falls on Yancy Street. The Trapster's teamed with a very tough incarnation of the Frightful Four, and the scene I'm thinking about had a S.W.A.T. team closing in on 'em in the city. One S.W.A.T. car's barrelling down the alley at 'em when Trapster blasts the pavement with his glue-guns. What follows is a bone-crunchingly violent scene of the cop-car coming to an instant halt and the cops inside flying straight through the windshield. And that's when Absorbing Man starts tagging 'em with his wrecking ball...

Tough series. Sold, like, three copies, because no one knows how cool Dorkin and artist Dean Haspiel are, but ain't that always the way?

That was a surprisingly violent and dark series. I'm still not sure if I like it just because of that. Lots of murder. Especially by the Absorbing Man. It's certainly not in continuity, either.

[The Hodag]

That was a surprisingly violent and dark series. I'm still not sure if I like it just because of that. Lots of murder. Especially by the Absorbing Man. It's certainly not in continuity, either.

Yeah, by the end I had mixed feelings for the same reasons you did, but the fact that it was a standalone mini (essentially its own continuity) gave it a little leeway for me. The craft was high throughout, lots of strong individual scenes, and I loved Haspiel's cartooning.

Oh, and it also gets bonus points because I reviewed it at AICN and got a nice email response from Dorkin. :rock:

[SCOURGE]

How about Eightball? I always thought Slide and Boomerang with pretty lame as well...

[SCOURGE]

Brother Nature...Worst.Villian.Ever...

[CapnChaos]

You're my new best friend.

:rock:

[Dreg]

Oddball. Loved it when he died in that death match featured in the pages of Wolverine.

[SCOURGE]

Yep, Amazing Spider-Man #15. Pretty much all of Spidey's best villains turned up in the first 20 issues, and Lee and Ditko treated 'em all as formidable. This Ditko pin-up definitely makes Kraven sound like he's beyond the average human...

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/160/kraven2wp.jpg

Maybe I am wrong, maybe THIS tool is the Worst.Vllian.Ever.

[Haunt]

Proctor from the Gatherers storyline in the Avengers title.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/proctorgatherers.htm

or

Warp Savant

[SCOURGE]

Proctor from the Gatherers storyline in the Avengers title.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/proctorgatherers.htm

or

Warp Savant

Who?

[Haunt]

Who?

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1130

[Thudpucker]

Doctor Doom.

He has almost every single lame stereotype you can stuff into a villian. Vain and egotistical royalty, his 'beauty' is marred so he hides his face behind an iron mask. He then goes on to be the evil ruler of a Country right out of a Bram Stoker novel, not only becoming a genius scientist who wears battlearmor and builds 'doombots' (ugh) but also a powerful sorcerer who makes pacts with demons?

Lamest of the lame.

[Foolish Mortal]

Doctor Doom.

He has almost every single lame stereotype you can stuff into a villian. Vain and egotistical royalty, his 'beauty' is marred so he hides his face behind an iron mask. He then goes on to be the evil ruler of a Country right out of a Bram Stoker novel, not only becoming a genius scientist who wears battlearmor and builds 'doombots' (ugh) but also a powerful sorcerer who makes pacts with demons?

Lamest of the lame.
Wrong. Dr. Doom is the ultimate archetype of silver age supervillains. Countless megalomaniacal villains were modeled after him. (Including Darth Vader) If you want to criticize all the Doom duplicates, that's fine, but Doom holds precedence over them all.

[chazbot]

Red Ghost
http://www.ironmanarmory.com/crimghostbio.jpg

I've been reading the Defenders essential and stumbled upon Red Ghost. Wow... yeh, not Stan Lee's finest creation.

[Thudpucker]

Wrong. Dr. Doom is the ultimate archetype of silver age supervillains. Countless megalomaniacal villains were modeled after him. (Including Darth Vader) If you want to criticize all the Doom duplicates, that's fine, but Doom holds precedence over them all.

He holds precidence alright.... in being lame! Ha!

[WinterRose]

The Communist Talking Monkeys from the X-Men In Africa issues while they were building up to Storm's hooking up with Black Panther. Sweet motherfucking christ. That crap got the greenlight, but we can't get a V3 of New Mutants? What the fuck was that crap about?

[Haunt]

The Communist Talking Monkeys from the X-Men In Africa issues while they were building up to Storm's hooking up with Black Panther. Sweet motherfucking christ. That crap got the greenlight, but we can't get a V3 of New Mutants? What the fuck was that crap about?

STFU! communist monkeys have precendence! they are a silver age archetype blah blah yackety smackety.

[YouStayClassy]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1130

You know who was even lamer than Warp Savant? That army general he met up with in Uncanny #394. Y'know, the army general that talked in nothing but cliches (what is your major malfunction?) and then got turned into some freaky monster?

[Matt O'Keefe]

Red Ghost
http://www.ironmanarmory.com/crimghostbio.jpg

I've been reading the Defenders essential and stumbled upon Red Ghost. Wow... yeh, not Stan Lee's finest creation.

I like the Red Ghost:(

[HomerGator]

Doctor Doom.

He has almost every single lame stereotype you can stuff into a villian. Vain and egotistical royalty, his 'beauty' is marred so he hides his face behind an iron mask. He then goes on to be the evil ruler of a Country right out of a Bram Stoker novel, not only becoming a genius scientist who wears battlearmor and builds 'doombots' (ugh) but also a powerful sorcerer who makes pacts with demons?

Lamest of the lame.


You're wrong for one reason. Doctor Doom is badass because he is DOCTOR FREAKING DOOM!

[Foolish Mortal]

I like the Red Ghost:(
Good villain for the time, but he wouldn't work today without some serious revamping.

[Matt O'Keefe]

Good villain for the time, but he wouldn't work today without some serious revamping.

Yeah, especially since he was basically the guy who lost the space race to the Fantastic Four.

[Juggernaut]

shocker,vulture,mojo,the owl,the wizard.

[WinterRose]

I like the Red Ghost:(

Now I know who he reminds me of in that pic. He looks like Dolarhyde in the better version of Red Dragon, 'Manhunter'.

[modungo]

Here is my problem with the Purple One...Yes, Bendis has managed to make him more interesting, but up until recent he was more of a Mort than a menace. He always seemed to be a poor man's Joker.

Speaking of poor man's Joker, I got like 8 pages into this thing and NO ONE has said The Jester. The Jester is the correct answer. All other answers are incorrect.

[modungo]

Doctor Doom.

He has almost every single lame stereotype you can stuff into a villian. Vain and egotistical royalty, his 'beauty' is marred so he hides his face behind an iron mask. He then goes on to be the evil ruler of a Country right out of a Bram Stoker novel, not only becoming a genius scientist who wears battlearmor and builds 'doombots' (ugh) but also a powerful sorcerer who makes pacts with demons?

Lamest of the lame.

If launching your archenemys house into space makes you lame, I love lame.

[joespam]

Who are some of the worst Marvel villians, and why?

My picks:

The Purple Man
Hypo-Hustler
Ringmaster...and more...I'm tired, I will add more later.I agree with everyone who's pointed out how NOT lame the Purple Man isn't - it took Bendis working with him for that to happen, though.

And I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe someone's pointed this out already, but I'd also point out that Ringmaster also has non lame potential - read Joe Casey's Deathlok series, and he's the one who gave us smart, integrated Hulk in Peter David's run.

[Evan the Shaggy]

Every Hulk villain who isn't the Abomination.

[Horizon Drive]

Kingpin. A fat mob boss, big deal. I never understood how this character had such a huge fan base. Only Frank Miller made him interesting for a short time in the early eighties.

[SCOURGE]

How about Ruby Tuesday?

[Black Roman]

Dude. The Purple Man is a sacred name here. Go read ALIAS and then we'll talk.

[evilgenius]

Green Goblin. Or maybe Doc Ock. Most of Spideys oldest villains, really.

[Spidey]

The Big Wheel.

DING DING DING

[SCOURGE]

Dude. The Purple Man is a sacred name here. Go read ALIAS and then we'll talk.

I have (I love Alias). I still say that the Purple Man is lame. Brian has just done a better job making him less lame.

[Lanowar]

Doctor Bong a bad guy so lame that when I mention him in conversations about lame villians they think I'm making him up.

[SCOURGE]

Doctor Bong a bad guy so lame that when I mention him in conversations about lame villians they think I'm making him up.

Stever Gerber must have taken some bad acid when he created Dr. Bong....

[Foolish Mortal]

Doctor Bong a bad guy so lame that when I mention him in conversations about lame villians they think I'm making him up.
Bong was meant to be a joke villain. I don't think he should count.

[SCOURGE]

Bong was meant to be a joke villain. I don't think he should count.

He is still lame, joke villain or not.

[Foolish Mortal]

My nominee is Hyperstorm.

http://i3.tinypic.com/4q3bqqt.jpg

Lame premise for a villain, (Basically a cross between Dr. Doom and Kang) lame origin story, ridiculously overpowered, and a godawful costume to top it all off.

[SCOURGE]

Kang and his many incarnations are lame...

[J. R. Scherer]

I have (I love Alias). I still say that the Purple Man is lame. Brian has just done a better job making him less lame.

His knowing that he's in a comic book now makes him exponentially more lame.

[SCOURGE]

His knowing that he's in a comic book now makes him exponentially more lame.

I love She-Hulk, but her breaking the Fourth Wall gets to be annoying...

[J. R. Scherer]

Kang and his many incarnations are lame...

The Council of Cross-Time Kangs is really lame. A single Kang the Conquerer is really cool.

[Supajoe]

vulcan.

[chazbot]

Still Red Ghost.

[SCOURGE]

Space Phantom

[SCOURGE]

Brother Nature...Damn Environmentalists

[The Doctor]

DING DING DING

At least we got that great Spider-man Unlimited issue out of it.

[Joe Kalicki]

Magneto.

[The Hodag]

He is still lame, joke villain or not.

I remember him being pretty funny in one of Byrne's issues of She-Hulk, but I never read the Howard the Duck stuff he first appeared in. Have you actually read stuff with him or no?

[c. page]

The Purple Man's not lame. He's fucking dangerous. He can enslave hundreds of people at a time as long as you're within his range of influence.

There is no villain more lame than fucking Stilt-Man!

i beg to differ, sir!

turner d. century is far lamer than stilt-man.

[The Hodag]

Has anyone mentioned the Duke of Oil yet?

Oddly enough, I thought his manic appearance during Winick's hit-and-miss Green Arrow run was pretty hysterical. I've got a soft spot for the freak villains every once in a while.

[Foolish Mortal]

i beg to differ, sir!

turner d. century is far lamer than stilt-man.
I believe he's dead. One of the B and C list villains killed off by the Scourge.

I still stand by Hyperstorm being the lamest. He's not a joke character. Marvel actually expected us to take him seriously. :lol:

[Thudpucker]

Dr. Doom.

A super genius cyborg wizard? Lame.

[costello]

They guy with the five rings on his hand. I never thought he was cool at all. All he does is talk talk talk talk. If he invaded my town, the moment he opened his mouth I'd run back home, pack, eat dinner, drive for some gas, and be off on my way before he finished his monologue.

And the Hand... WTF? They're like extras in a Steven Segal movie. 100,000 of them can't kill five superheroes? LAME. Silver Samurai sucks a big one too... he's like the world's greatest samurai who gets his ass handed to him by every x-men. I bet Nightcrawler could kick his ass and Nightcrawler died on the Nintendo game just by walking.

But Birdy's cool. I hope she makes a comeback and can fly solo. I hated seeing her getting pushed around by Sabretooth.

[costello]

Oh, and MODOK. Dude with a big head. I just don't get it. It could be the greatest story in the world, but a dude whose head is being broadcast on a tv in his chest or a dude with a really big head and tiny body is just silly.

[BWC Boston]

Dr. Doom.

A super genius cyborg wizard? Lame.

A super genius cyborg wizard king.

[Joe Kalicki]

The Mandarin is far and away my least favorite character in all of comics. I hate him so.

[SCOURGE]

I remember him being pretty funny in one of Byrne's issues of She-Hulk, but I never read the Howard the Duck stuff he first appeared in. Have you actually read stuff with him or no?

Yes, I have. Turner D. Century was offed by my comic self. How about the Puppet Master or the Doll Man?

[SCOURGE]

Or the Vanisher...what ever happened to him?

[Dreg]

Has anyone mentioned the Duke of Oil yet?

Oddly enough, I thought his manic appearance during Winick's hit-and-miss Green Arrow run was pretty hysterical. I've got a soft spot for the freak villains every once in a while.

Didn't Winnick make a fairly pathetic rip-off of Stilt-Man in that run? Some elevator guy or something? Man, when you're ripping off Stilt Man for ideas, that's pretty much as low as you can go. Ironically enough.

[chazbot]

I finished Essential Spidey Vol. 8 last night, and I have a new candidate for lamest Marvel villain:
WHITE DRAGON

http://www.comixdepot.com/catalog/images/spider184.jpg

[jamestolliver]

I finished Essential Spidey Vol. 8 last night, and I have a new candidate for lamest Marvel villain:
WHITE DRAGON

http://www.comixdepot.com/catalog/images/spider184.jpg

he looks more like a flaming cock.

[artimoff]

Loki.








Get it? Lame?

[chazbot]

he looks more like a flaming cock.

What's funny is his whole plan in the issue is to unite the gangs of Chinatown. That way they can all work together, and will answer to him.

sounds kind of familliar... where have I heard that plan recently.... oh yeh, THE HOOD!

[MAK15]

he looks more like a flaming cock.


What's funny is his whole plan in the issue is to unite the gangs of Chinatown. That way they can all work together, and will answer to him.

sounds kind of familliar... where have I heard that plan recently.... oh yeh, THE HOOD!

hmm...maybe Parker Robbins should go to the doctor after that last visit to Gro.....

[HomerGator]

Or the Vanisher...what ever happened to him?

The last time we saw the Vanisher was in Uncanny X-men (Casey's run, I believe). He was setting himself up as a major player in the MGH market. He was set up by Angel and Iceman, and when he tried to 'vanish', Iceman froze him midway.

So he's probably in some kind of jail by now.

[Sam Johnson]

Hardly any of the Silver and Bronze age villains (yes, even Stilt Man) are lame because they all have strong visual concepts (especially Stilt Man) and are distinctive and fun. They're just from an age where comics were allowed to be fun and yes, silly, without that being the predominant tone. I mean, EVERY superhero (yes, even, especially Daredevil) is silly when you come to think about it.

Okay, I'll give you Plantman.

[Sam Johnson]

I know! The Hood. What's that loser ever done?

[MAK15]

I know! The Hood. What's that loser ever done?

beat the shit outta Tigra.
had his own Mini-series.
...really, that's more than what most Villains have gotten.

[HomerGator]

beat the shit outta Tigra.
had his own Mini-series.
...really, that's more than what most Villains have gotten.

He was in BEYOND!, also.

[MAK15]

He was in BEYOND!, also.

I know, I know.

[J. R. Scherer]

Hardly any of the Silver and Bronze age villains (yes, even Stilt Man) are lame because they all have strong visual concepts (especially Stilt Man) and are distinctive and fun. They're just from an age where comics were allowed to be fun and yes, silly, without that being the predominant tone. I mean, EVERY superhero (yes, even, especially Daredevil) is silly when you come to think about it.

Okay, I'll give you Plantman.

High five.